PERSIAN DYNASTY POWER RANKING

>literally who tier
Should rename to
>Crusader Kings tier

If you're including Timurids you might as well include Alexander's Argeads.

Did the Parthians and Sassanids call themselves kings of Persia in the sense that they were new dynasties ruling the exact same state of Cyrus and Darius like the dynasties of the Middle Kingdom, or did they see themselves as something entirely different and unrelated, incidentally ruling the same territory?

>>1489330
Safavids and Afasharids i.e. Nader Shah's regime are GOAT tier.

>>1489425
Yes, they did. Especially the Sassanids who directly invoked Achaemenid era rights of divine rule and manifest dynasty propaganda.

>>1489330
>Seljuks
>Persian
Also Qajar are literally shit tier.

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>>1489330
>literally who
>Afsharid
Amerifag detected

Nader Shah rebuilt Persia from the ashes and restored its ancient borders.

>>1489487
He didn't rebuild Persia. He literally took over the Safavid dynasty, put the last ruler's son as a figurehead ruler then later desposed him. Imagine what would've been had he not become totally paranoid and blinded or murdered so many of his sons.

>>1489487
Didnt every dynasty founder do this?

>>1489537
Some do, some don't. Point was, Nader Shah was an extraordinarily talented soldier and general who apparently loved conflict above all else. He once asked how heaven can be a paradise if there was no war there. But more or less the Safavids had one weak ruler sitting on the throne at the time, who was more or less a figurehead for Nader, but after they won a costly war against the Ottomans or Russians, can't remember who off the top of my head, the Shah gave up a lot of gains and that enraged Nader who had him blinded and desposed while placing his infant son on the throne instead and ruling as his Vizier.

>>1489330
Put the Selecucids to mid tier

>>1489330
What's this ranking based on? Territory?

>>1489425
Not really. It's hard to know what they really knew about the Achaemenids, but it doesn't seem like they were aware of them as much as, say, the West was aware of Alexander and the Romans.

>>1489584
If we go by that then it'd be:

Achaemenids > Sassanids =! Safavids > Arsacids (Parthians) > everyone else.

>>1489598
The Arsacid dynasty aka the Parni/Parthian Empire knew about the Achaemenids, and that information definitely passed to the Sassanids who were already ultra nationalists in Pars to begin with before they rebelled against Atrabanus. Some historians have taken a questionable stance that the Sassanids did know about the Achaemenids but choose to ignore them when it suited them for propaganda purposes.

>>1489573
Nah fuck you.

They're underrated as fuck due to the lack of info on them that isn't numismatic based. They get shit on because of their civil wars and loss of land to the Parthians. For like 150 years they operated in an alien land, fought savages at the end of the world and brought civilization to people who wouldn't see it again for centuries in Central Asia.

>>1489425
Parthians didn't see themselves as Persians. Their ruling caste were Daha from east of the Caspian Sea and their empire was more multiethnic. The Sassanids definitely were more overtly Persian and sought to link themselves with the prestige of the Achaemenids. Their knowledge of Cyrus and that seems somewhat (and surprisingly) minimal though. They were probably far closer to the Achaemenids in spirit than the Parthians, but like Byzantium they were very different from the civilization they had been a millenium earlier. The Sassanids were far more rabidly religious and centralised then both Parthia and Achaemenid Persia.

>>1489598
The Sassanid family came from Pars. The same home province in the same region of Iran that the Achaemenid dynasty stems from on its paternal side from Cyrus the Great's father. They were already and always were ultra zealots when it came to Zoroastranism, anti-Hellenes, anti-Roman, and extremely ardent Iranianists. Its severely doubtful they were ignorant of the Achaemenids when Old and Middle Persian are iirc intelligible and so many Achaemenid and Parthian monuments and reliefs of their accomplishments are within a stone's throw of where the Sassanids lived.

>>1489619
>fought savages
In Iranian eyes, the Greeks, Macedonians, and Romans are savages anon.

>Parthians didn't see themselves as Persians.
They saw themselves as successors to the Achaemenids and starting from Mithridates the Great continually evoked the traditions, court customs, and other things from the Achaemenids including titles of Great King and King of Kings in their inscriptions, reliefs, and mausoleums.