Anyone suggest some books/documentaries to give a reasonably unbiased view of the Troubles in NI?
I always hear that it was essentially started by how Protestants/Loyalists treated Irish/Catholics but find that a bit hard to believe.
>>1484513
There is no unbiased source for historical events in the last 100 years.
NI fag here, specialised in modern Irish history, parents are from Greece and I'm an Orthodox Christian so I don't really have a stake in the whole ethnic/religious debate
These are my go-to, reasonably unbiased, "general" sources, if you want something more specific I can dig up my old university reading list
Paul Bew, Ireland the politics of enmity, 1789-2006 (2007)
P. Bew, P. Gibbon and H. Patterson, Northern Ireland 1921-1994: Political Forces and Social Classes (1995)
David Fitzpatrick, The Two Irelands, 1912-1939 (1998).
Alvin Jackson, The Oxford Handbook of Modern Irish History (2014)
Henry Patterson, Ireland since 1939: The Persistence of Conflict (2006)
Brian Girvin, From Union to Union: Nationalism, Democracy & Religion (2002)
J.J. Lee, Ireland 1912-1985: Politics and Society (1989)
Charles Townshend, Ireland: The Twentieth Century (1999)
Ronan Fanning, Independent Ireland (1983)
R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland, 1600-1972 (1988)
K. T. Hoppen, Ireland Since 1800: Conflict and Conformity (2nd ed., 1999)
F.S.L. Lyons, Ireland Since the Famine (1973)
Ronan Fanning, Fatal Path: British Government and Irish Revolution 1910-1922 (2013)
>I always hear that it was essentially started by how Protestants/Loyalists treated Irish/Catholics but find that a bit hard to believe.
That's an incredinly simplified view of it but it's not a bad way to sum the whole thing up in a sentence
>>1484516
By unbiased, I mean I don't want a case of
>"The Troubles in NI: How the IRA killed my dog"
>"The Butcher's Apron: Life as a Catholic under British Oppression in Belfast"
Something written by someone informed as opposed to driven by passion of having witnessed it from one side or another.
>>1484547
Thank you, anon.
I'm really just curious about the legitimacy of the conflict, the legitimacy of uprisings/militias/rebellions of any sort is something I love finding out about.
The Troubles in particular is hard to get to grips with, however, because the scale of it seems bizarre. It seems that in some areas it was a war and yet even a few miles away it was as though nothing was happening.
Basically the English fucking brutally oppress the native Irish like they do us scots, and when they say enough is a fucking enough, the English start a fucking war with them.
>>1484578
>the English fucking brutally oppress the native Irish like they do us scots,
subtle b8
>>1484547
Hey man thanks a lot!
Never really looked into Ireland but this is a great place to start.
Which Uni did you go to?
>>1484583
>implying they don't
they even fucking rigged the indy ref so they'd win
but now they've destroyed their own country with brexit, we'll soon be able to become independent and take the UK's spot on the world stage
>>1484547
>that image
KEK
>>1484547
Those poorly nested quotation marks trigger me
Studying this has lead me to the conclusion that Northern Irish Loyalists are fucking subhuman apes.
How do you even support such an asinine group as the "good guys" in this day and age?
Jesus christ, somebody nuke Northern Ireland already
>>1486726
There are 4,000-5,000 Muslims in Northern Ireland, most born locally, but there is no purpose-built mosque for fear of attacks. The community worships in converted houses it can barely squeeze into.
Last year, planning permission was denied in the Protestant-dominated area surrounding Portadown amid a local campaign warning people that residents would be "kept awake by wailing".
Planning permission has now been granted but the mosque won't be built, as the community is too afraid. In the past eight months at least eight families have been forced from their homes.
One family was shot at through their kitchen window, a number of Muslims were stabbed, one was left in a coma after a beating, others have had legs and noses broken. The community avoids speaking out. Whenever it is quoted in the media, the attacks get worse.
"The imam had to leave Northern Ireland after a gang of 10 smashed his windows and doors in, and told him he should get out," said Jamal Iweida, who runs the Islamic Centre in Belfast. "It's a matter of time before we have a fatal attack.
"The attacks are increasing. I can feel the atmosphere on the street. I have to be prepared to be called names at least once a day. I have a beard so I'm called Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, or I'm told 'Paki go home'."
>>1486835
This is fucking disgusting. How dare they treat their fellow irishmen like fucking dirt. But sure, the government will let them carry on being racist pieces of shit and following their inferior religion while the true faith is hidden away.
>>1484513
For documentaries, Peter Taylor's 'Provos, Loyalists and Brits'.
>>1484588
You could barely overtake Latvia on the world stage.
>>1486842
>their fellow irishmen
>>1484588
I can't understand what's bait and what's just delusion anymore