Norse/Germanic polytheism has made a comeback.

>In May 2006 an Athens court granted official recognition to the veneration of the Ancient Greek pantheon. Referring to the ruling, Father Eustathios Kollas, who presides over a community of Greek Orthodox priests, said: "They are a handful of miserable resuscitators of a degenerate dead religion who wish to return to the monstrous dark delusions of the past."[49]

kek

>>1483657
>that butthurt

Honestly, neopaganism is gay as fuck

>>1483518
>Norse/Germanic polytheism
lel, based on fucking what? the eddas, whose existence is owed entirely to christian scholars? "paganism" outside of, say, zoroastrianism, cannot be anything greater than LARP.

>>1483694
Religion cannot be anything greater than LARP, fixed for you.

>>1483699
The Jews, Arabs and Christians at least have their own official DnD rulebooks, neopagans are making crudely put together homebrews that are so obviously Magical Realm they arent even worth playing.

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Someone let me know when these fags start worshipping a dead tree again so I can chop it down and drink their salty tears.

>>1483518
Paganism is really controversial in here. But I honestly support paganism. You dont even have to read the eddas, i believe the best start is just respect your ancestors and respect the old faiths of where you live. Polytheism is the answer to me. To respect what you see and feel (sun, wind etc) and have the honor to respect and use traditions that are thousands of years old, even older than we believe.

>>1483707
I also want to add that stupid fat americans are the cancer to paganism. They just seem to be try hards from medieval hippie markets. That is the sad part of todays paganism.

>>1483705
I cant even begin to imagine the absolute anal devastation this caused. Based charlemagne

>>1483707
Hey, if you ever swing by hawaii, how about give the gods here a prayer or two, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVr1kqrV6k

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>>1483657
What I don't understand about Ancient Greek paganism is that the Olympians were actually the bad guys that overthrew the titans who resided over a Golden Age:

>[Men] lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil and grief: miserable age rested not on them; but with legs and arms never failing they made merry with feasting beyond the reach of all devils. When they died, it was as though they were overcome with sleep, and they had all good things; for the fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace.

So now these assholes, who also punished the titan who created mankind and stole fire for them, took over keep fucking with humans in tons of ways and people were supposed to venerate and worship them?

>>1483707
When you don't actually believe in the old gods, you shouldn't fucking play that you do
That's not honoring your ancestors, that's digging up their carcass to make mockery of it for some retarded fad

>>1483783
> muh god must be morally good one meme
It isn't like you got a choice, they are force and if you aren't worship them, gods will fuck you up as any other tyrant.

>>1483783
They're basically a divine extortion racket. If you don't worship them, they'll kick your butt. A follower of classical Greek religion had little to no emotional connection to his deity, and the only thing enforced was orthopraxy (ie. a unity of rituals) rather than orthodoxy (unity of mystical teachings).

What's more, the afterlife was a pretty shitty deal, since it's clear from the Odyssey that even the greatest heroes who went to Elysium were quite miserable. Other people who went to regular levels of the afterlife were just shadows.

Obviously this was not always the case, and it's one of the reasons mystery cults sprang out - to give the followers a personal relation with the deity, and a hope of a better fate in afterlife.


>>1483707
It took Christians like 1800 years to reach the level of pseudo-panteistic degeneration where religion has no other intrinsic worth than muh ancestors and muh nature. Neo-pagans already start at that level, and it's not only your post that proves that - there was an interview with an Icelandic Asatru religious leader who basically said that it's all a metaphor and he doesn't actually believe in the gods.

Hell, by most accounts it can't even be classified as an actual religion if there's no hierophany at all.

I think a lot of people here misunderstand paganism because they come from a monotheistic, world rejecting religious tradition.

Paganism, at least people that aren't Tumblr level stupid, is that it isn't about rules or where you end up in the afterlife, and that it is considerably less literalistic than the current major religions. The gods are seen as older siblings, and as having more important things to do than dealing with your personal bullshit (more of community level things) whereas your ancestors are much more likely to help you and deal with you directly.

Historically, paganism was much more organic as well. The same religion (let's use Germanic as an example) varied between tribe to tribe, village to village. Dogma wasn't a thing, there was not really a "right" way to worship pr practise outside of community and family tradition. That's why monotheistic religions tend to sperg out over it not having a special book, since belief matters more than practice to them, whereas to the pagans it was practice over belief.

I can only speak from norse heathenry, which I what I have experience with. Any questions, feel free to ask.

>>1483857
>there was an interview with an Icelandic Asatru religious leader who basically said that it's all a metaphor and he doesn't actually believe in the gods.

I think that with neo-paganism, its all about personal interpertation.

And they tend to err on the side of agnosticism towards things. And you you, there is nothing wrong with that. If someone were to say something like "I believe in nature spirits, but I'm not sure if Odin is real or not", that's a perfectly valid belief.

It's been in Norway for a while. The Åsatru guys. However, it's usually split between racist nationalists and people who just want to create some cultural community, which is why I think it doesn't attract a lot of people, because they might think they need to defend themselves all the time from the media and shit.

>>1483914

Yeah, the shit heads give it a bad name as always.

>>1483657
The Christian butthurt is almost worth it all by itself.

>>1483868
I think that the various flavors of paganism would be much more popular if more people were capable of identifying their Abrahamic baggage.

>>1483518
You can't recapture the virtues of paganism (civic duty, strong public life) just by adopting the religions. Christianity has created a political environment completely opposed to them.

Christians are SO incredibly butthurt that some people would prefer to follow their ancestors instead of dick self-mutilating beduins allahuakbaring in the desert.

All religions are false. What really matters is community and values. Christianity teaches to welcome and suck Arab cock. Paganism doesn't. That is all. Feel welcome to discuss "theology" (that is mere empty words) now.

>>1483518
Roman Hellenism is the best religion.

>>1483704
You know this is a Hellenism thread right, and we do have a good chunk of the texts preserved?

>>1483783
The Titans are personifications of aspects nature, the 12 Olympians are personifications of aspects of Civilization.

The titanomachy is about society taming nature, which although bad for the common people in the short term, is not something you would want to reverse.

There are no 'bad guys'.

Living under the rule of the Titans is anarchy. And its not like the Titans are any less important, they just don't rule anymore.

You've got to remember that the gods are not just powerful dudes, they are personifications of concepts.

>>1484615
Thing is I'm actually starting to believe in the Olympians and co in abstract.

The more I think about it the more it seems to slot into place, I still don't think they are sentient beings, but its making me suspect they had a lot better understanding about the world than we give them credit for.

I mean go and read the creation myth, its eerily similar to what the evidence show if you think of the beings involved as the things they are personifications of rather than as persons.

>>1483518
people will go in droves and flocks and then it will be pushed underground as people inevitably wake up to the fact all greco & roman is shitskin.berber portugal

jesus was white etc.crusades

>>1484615
>their ancestors
>implying their ancestors haven't been christian for a millennia now

>>1484490

For sure. You grew up in a Christian society if you are a westerner, regardless of your actual religion.

>>1484716
Dude, give it up. People don't want to worship the eternal Jew anymore. Live and let live.

I whole heartedly endorse the further decentralization of spiritualism. Christianity was in the long run one of the worst things to happen to spiritualism, since it attempted to make spirituality into a single proposition of a true or false nature, and when it was shown to be untrue was immediately taken as false.

>>1483694
Comparative mythology, archeology, secondary sources written by other civilizations, etc. Reconstructionist paganism is more involved than the local Christians paint it out to be.

>>1483705
Do you consider the Jose statues in church God? Or is merely a representation of that? There is no evidence they considered that the actual world tree

>>1483705
Why do Christians around here seem to celebrate Christianity acting like ISIS does today?

>>1484673
Not with Roman Hellenism they wouldn't, because Rome wasn't just the capital, and not all of the gods used the Greek and Italian names, and even if they did primarily it wasn't they're only names.

>>1483787
>When you don't actually believe in the old gods, you shouldn't fucking play that you do

What makes you say they don't?

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>>1484716
This is Hellenism thread, all your barbarian memes don't work in here. But our Jew ones do.

>>1483857
As a eclectic heathen fuck the Icelanders they're trying to make themselves be like a pope and figurehead. They have no authority over me and my group. Varg has as much authority as that faggot does

>>1484716
>never built anything of worth

You realize when the local climate changed, that changed pretty damn quickly, right?

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>>1484749
>praise mithra

>>1484746
Because they're two flavors of the same barbaric mythos.

And the only good stuff in Christianity came from Hellenism anyway, but they won't let go of the savage Semite shit.

And no If you reply Christcucks I'm not going to reply back, you've got plenty of threads of your own, fuck off back to them.

>>1484790
"Whatever is good about Christianity is not new. Whatever is new is not good." Alain de Benoist.

>>1483518
Nobody genuinely believes its true though

>>1484778
Who precisely is supposed to be fighting who in this image?

>>1484977
My guess would be Spartans and Athenians.

>>1483694
What about Hinduism

The common sense idea of Grego-Roman polytheism is totally stereotyped, as if the particular theology of one poet, say Hesiod, was normative. Polytheism was much more about the family, tribe and local divinities and spirits, home genies and ancestors. An ancient Greek household wouldn't worship the twelve Olympians equally, like some modern Pagan revivalists so cringely do. Also, there were many local versions of myths and gods, somewhat like Catholics do with the virgin Mary: Mary of Guadalupe, Mary of this and Mary of that... Likewise there many Zeus, many Hercules, many Hermes... I think Hinduism is the closest thing we have to how it actually. Many religious traditions associated with a common culture.

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>>1484716
>>beaten and converted easily
lol no. That aside, this is mostly a hellenism thread and the greco-romans built large and powerful civilizations long before christianity ever became a thing.

>>1485096
Please don't respond to Christians or else they won't go away.

>>1485089
I contend that this is why the "hurr hurr hurr, all we have are fragments of their religions" isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be. At least with Germanic polytheism, ancestor worship, nature spirit veneration, and the odd rite to the gods all make perfect sense as a combined belief system.

There was no centralized doctrine, and there were considerable local variations.

So anyway whose interested in getting into Roman Hellenism? Here we'll use the official names, but know that the Celts, Egyptians, Germanics, Greeks ect, would have called them by local names.

The 12 godheads (Called the Olympians by the Greeks) are the main gods, and the Ruling Caste, they are not as old as the universe however, they are mostly third and fourth generation.

>Juno: Goddess of Family.
>Jupiter: Warden of the Sky, God of Leadership
>Minerva: Goddess of Wisdom
>Neptune: Warden of the Sea, God of Cultivation
>Venus: Goddess of Love
>Mars: God of War (for the soldier)
>Dianna: Goddess of Hunting
>Apollo: God of Art
>Vesta: Goddess of Home
>Vulcan: God of Craft
>Ceres: Goddess of Farming
>Mercury: God of Information

These gods also appear in other separate groups as well, for example Jupiter and Neptune are in a trinity with Pluto, God of Wealth who is the third Warden, the Warden of the Underworld, but is not one of the 12 rulers.

>>1485125
Sorry, too busy trying to be as the Tao.

>>1485089
>I think Hinduism is the closest thing we have to how it actually

I think you are right. As a kshatriya hindu my family has its own war goddess we worship and a temple that we built and guarded for 800 years, but this created a lot of fiction as when other families amalgamte to yours that may not dicard their own family gods. The temple along with the fort nearby was sacked by the Zamorin during the calicut cochin war few centiries back because of a branch of our own family betrayed us as they wanted their own goddess to be venerated at the temple. After the portugese intervention amd defeat of the Zamorin the temple and fort were rebuilt and the woo memeber of the extended family who turned traitor were murdered. According to my grandad the women and children were poisoned and the men were beheaded in front of the altar of the goddess. None of the priests or the Temple Keeper speak of it and neither does most of the elder family other than my grandad who married into the clan.

>>1484973
I kinda do, I just don't believe the gods are sentient dudes.

>>1485139
Nice. See pagan wannabes? This is the real deal.

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>>1483518
>a few metalheads and autistic white virgins start praising odin
>"""comeback"""

>>1485205
>metalheads
>autistic white virgins

redundant much

>>1483518
So when are we gonna get slavery back?
Polytheism sustains a world views which positions people in a heirarchy as oppose to "we are all the same under god" of judeo christian religions.
polytheism is definately a step back.

>>1485139
Do you believe the gods are sentient people, or do you think the avatars are just symbols/personifications of the concept, the concept being the real god?

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>>1484622
Dubs speak the truth.

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Already a thing

>>1485178
I must also add that the Temple also formed a sort of unity amongst the local populace agaionst a common foe.

When Tipu Sultan invaded Malabar in 1789 and advanced on Cochin, the Travancore army under the advisement of the EIC moved up a small force of men to halt the advance while the English in the Northern Deccan mustered to invade Mysore.

Tipu Sultan was stalled a few miles away from my hereditary home town due to the local militias letting the Allied Travancore general know of a ditch that can be made into a trench line and defence works this , then drew tipu further south west into the area by telling them of a rich temple that can be looted, Tipu advanced into a engineered flood when the dams up river were broken, I think a few thousand were swept away with that and their gunpowder became wet, this forced the Mysorean invasion to consolidate existing positions driving back the Tranvacorean forces temporarily, but before long they had to retreat because Mysore was attacked by the EIC.

There were a lot of local Muslims(Mapilla) who joined with the Mysoreans and began to attack hindus, none of the muslims survived and the skulls of their chieftans and captains still hang in the understorage of the Temple. There were some 4000 mapilla muslims before the invasion, twenty were left after it.

>>1485217
equality is a meme

>>1485217
I actually think its the exact opposite. Under monotheism everyone is a slave, and any decent is heresy. Heirarchy is extremely rigid, to the point of being brittle.

Under Polytheism everyone is an individual, and free. People are not what they are born into, they are what they achieve.

>>1485231
Well the old ones from the senpai see it as the conglomeration of divine power and the goddess as the representative of the divine power that permeates everything. I dont see it anything other than a racket to clinch change from your pocket. I mean the temple is standing because people were murdered in its name and makes false promises to its visitors.

I do believe in a higher power but the organization of religion is a bit of a extortion racket.

>>1485248
jewlover detected

>>1485089
Greeks called the God "Ho Theos" and gods (small g) theos, or something like that. The uncaused causer/unmoved mover of Thomas Aquinas (and non Christian monotheists) is the latter. The former (gods) are contigent beings. Likewise, some Hindus view Brahman in the same basic way Abrahamics view big-G God

>>1485269
Medieval Europe was extremely inegalitarian. Still got rid of slavery.

>>1484730
>People don't want to worship the eternal Jew anymore
There are two billion Christians in the world

There are, like, five actual pagans. Discounting people who use it as some sort of weird racist identity thing, people who use it as a form of rebellion against their parents, and people who just want a religion with no obligations that they don't have to change their lifestyle to suit.

>>1485161
> I just don't believe the gods are sentient dudes.
So you don't actually believe it's true in other words.

>>1485258

You know fuck all about history if you think that's the case.

>>1483868
>he doesnt know what judiasm is. Practic is so important that they cut parts of their kid's dicks as a ritualistic entry into the tribe.
19th and 20th century philosophy and sicnece simply undermined some christian dogma and popularized it.
Now morons adopt some old shit that seems exotic and hasnt been undermined by centuries of studying and criticising it.

Sad but plebs do retarded shit all the time so im not surprised.

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>>1485217
Slavery is mostly about cheap labor, and we already have that, so why would slavery come back again?

>>1485205
>>Says the christard autist.
But hey, those darn pagan larpers are getting the way of your christard larping so nevermind right? :^)

>>1485271
No, polytheism was used to strengthen aristocrats and rulers. People are to worship gods but the gods own nothing to people much like a ruler is to be worshipped without expectign anything back.
This is exactly what you need for slave societies and this is why polytheims and slave societies went hand in hand.
Christinaity calls for a unification of all under one set of rules and rewards and punishes people based on their actions towards one another.
The monotheistic god is the supreme creator nature universe existence under which we are all equal as people and the ideals of which we must all strive to.
Polytheism divides society into two the rulers who have their own fun and games which includes abusing and playing with their human slaves and lower class.
Then you crown yourself a living god like a pharoah for example and everyone must do as you say even if it is cruel and despicable.

>>1485341
Yes good point. The retards here who are calling for polytheistic ideals might simpyl be a by product of an ever increasing inequality and the echo chambers that the internet creates.
Well, polytheism only entranches inequality and heirarchies between people.
Lets all break up into many differen ttiny parts and let the systems of governance and social structure rule over us uninhibited.

>>1484622
>The Titans are personifications of aspects nature, the 12 Olympians are personifications of aspects of Civilization.
>The titanomachy is about society taming nature, which although bad for the common people in the short term, is not something you would want to reverse.
>There are no 'bad guys'.
>Living under the rule of the Titans is anarchy. And its not like the Titans are any less important, they just don't rule anymore.
>You've got to remember that the gods are not just powerful dudes, they are personifications of concepts.
That's deep as fuck. Do you think the ancient Romans understood that humans were created by Nature?

Also, can you post a link to any texts on the subject?

>>1484777
What do you mean?

>>1483518
Mediterranean paganism evolved into Christianity, there is nothing to "go back" to unlike the barbarian celts/Germans/Slavs

>>1485301
I don't have to, it isn't necessary.

Its a misunderstanding to think of them as dudes sitting on a mountain controlling things anyway. That isn't what the gods are.

And Christians have to right far more off as a metaphor to fit modern knowledge, because if their god isn't literal than the whole theology collapses, but the likes of Jupiter not being an actual sentient man on a mountain doesn't particularly matter.

Though I've only just started to persuade myself that this might be true.

>>1485371
Then why is it that Hellenism had democracies and republics and Christianity calls for autocracy. It is fluid, and it grows.

What you need for a slave society is not alternate viewpoints, that's retarded, what you need is a centralized power that can do no wrong. And it is brittle, and it does fracture.

Call a slave a serf, hell call him a fucking lord, he's still a slave if he's in bondage.

>>1485427
I'm too bored to explain to you how what you said is retarded so, just do your research

>>1485371
>what is divine right

>>1485371
this
>>1485429

You can believe in gods, spirits, and etc, AND a lord in heaven above all.

Like, for native americans, there is a 'mother Earth', and 'great Creator' figures. Those two must be of a different classification that of the gods and spirits they may also believe in or not.

I think the biggest aspect of paganism by far is animism. Any belief in polytheistic gods would be in addition to that. Like say, a Japanese person might believe that spirits and souls exist, but is agnostic towards named specific Kami, like say, Amaterasu.

Like, isn't that the whole thing about Mythology, that the ancients would say that myths are things that may or may not be true. As oppose to what people say myths are today, (ie always false)?

>>1485429
>democracies and republics
Are you retarded or did you simply not bother to think about your post at all before writing it?
What do you think that natuer of those democracies and republics was? They wereslave owners and the people who made descisoons were the elite.

>>1483707
Honestly I feel there is a lot of work to do if European paganism is to be revived, and most neopagans are going in entirely the wrong direction.

They need to look to existing pagan traditions, Hinduism being the best example side it has a historical relation to European faiths and seeing how spirituality effects every aspect of their lives can inform neopagans how to approach their own faith.

The most well developed neopagans imo are wiccans, even though Wicca is a huge mash of different ideas it emulated te pagan mindset better than more historically accurate reconstructions.

>>1485450
The rich men voted and were people of leuisure who had slaves ot tend for their needs.
Much like, guess who?

>>1485453

Right, they should look to the past for inspiration, and to contemporary polytheists today, rather than just trying to recreate the past in a petri dish.

worshipping pagan gods makes no sense. its literally kitsch as a religion.
Ancient people worshiped and did rituals thinking that they were making a difference because they did not know al lwe know of reality now.
Sure, you can fantasize about the god demon of cancer but just like ancient people did, we should worship the god of cancer using our current knowledge, as in through chemotherapy and surgery.

Why did you just make a circular reply. That's stupid.

>>1485450
Well it wasn't fucking polytheism. And anyway, its better to have and underclass of slaves who could potentially become free from a variety of ways then everyone be slaves to Big Brother the Deity who talks bullshit but you can't argue with.

>>1485089
Catholicism is far closer to roman paganism than any neopagans efforts, mainly because it literally is roman paganism with a new paint job.

The amount of different traditions and ideas within Catholicism is massive even if they all profess the same faith.

>>1485482
first line meant for >>1485443

>>1485483
see >>1484790
and >>1484790

I'm going to ignore Christcucks now, because you do have your own fucking threads and plenty of them.

>>1485125
I'm interested keep posting

>>1485321

Sure, but judeo-christian dogma asserts a lot of things that paganism was never about. Myths are there to convey truths, they are the paper skin that covers religion. Even so, there has been surprisingly exhaustive research on the topic, and if you let me sober up I'll give you a full list, but some decent started are:

Culture of the Teutons by Vilhelm Gronbech
Tacitus's Germania
Gesta Danorum
The Eddas
We Are Our Deeds by Eric Wodening

>>1485282
This is a big thing
Odin and the like were not immortal or eternal, they were like the most powerful spirits on the block.
Same with the likes of the Greek gods and demigod humans who were uplifte to Godhood.
The Greeks revered all these multitude of big and small spirits like how Shinto Japanese do, but they recognized some greater Godhead as well.

>>1485371
Christianity also creates a slave society, where everyone is equally a slave and part of the herd

>>1485414
I think they did
Just read into Greek philosophical ideas and what sorts of things they were playing with, most educated people didn't think the gods were literal big dudes in the sky but spirits and ideas personified.

Even in early Greek works like the Iliad you see this depth of the nature of the gods

>>1485504
And guess what my fedora friend? Conteporay understandings of the bible are exactly the same only the moral ideas and thinking that the bible conveys is much impoveds and egalitarian.
The bible took polytheistic beleifs and turned them into trials of morality an moral considerations where man and his actions are responsible for his own fate as oppose to the whimsical desires of supermen.

I'll never understand why christards are so triggered by paganism? Maybe like one anon said, pagan LARPing gets in the way of my own LARPIng as an Israelite. Maybe if there are different religions out there maybe mine isn't the absolute truth...

>>1485475
You act as if there aren't pagan faiths that are alive and well today, not just stuck in tribal backwaters but in modern societies.

>>1485491
Maybe educate yourself some more proddy

>>1485521
>equaly a slave
God damn you're a moron.
You mean slaves to a structure of rules that are true for the powerful and weak, for the rich and poor?

I suppose you want your freedom of domination of others back?
You want your freedom to kill and and disrupt the lives of others. Well, good luckbut i doubt prancing around naked around a fire is gonna give you that.

See christiniaty is not just the bible or new testement but all that followed as well, all the thinking and reinterpretation. you cannot just take the bible and claim this is judiasm or christianity.
If you want to rebel against the slavery of western thought you can go and join ISIS, a group that uses a religion that lacks exactly that interpretational work that brings religion to a modern state.
Join them and you can have the freedom to kill and rape back.

>>1485535

The whimsical desires of supermen are not what determined people's fates in pm Germanic paganism, it was a combination of circumstances and choices. I don't see why you're so hostile, frankly, I really don't care if you're Christian or whatever other religion.

>>1485536

I think its something ells.

They don't get triggered by Hinduism or Islam or whatever the same way they do about Paganism from their own area/people.

>>1485475
I don't think you should worship them either. I think worship is the cancer of fanatical religion. I think they should be treated like Uncle Sam, infact Uncle Sam is pretty close to being a god in my opinion.

Hell half of you likely don't even realize that Lady Liberty is literally a Roman Goddess.

>>1485497
I'm going to, but its getting a bit late here so I might weight till morning. Unless the fedora Christfags have wasted it first.

>>1485536
The unbiased study of comparative religion and mythology is the death of blind faith and religious dogmatism. There are different peoples and religions out there, older than Christianity and Judaism, that have never heard of Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham... Some bible stories come from older sources, etc. The knowledge of these facts was the beginning of the end of my faith in Christianity. They're very dangerous. This is why Christians must go out of their way to slander, demonize, ridicule and erase every other religion and mythology besides their own. But truth defeats ignorance, so I hope.

>>1485568
*Wait
You see you can tell I'm tired because I keep misspelling things.

>>1485583
Did you miss the word Roman

>>1485571
What you fail to understand is that despite those things christianity can still be just as strong or even stronger. Not by denying or ignoring this knew knowledge but by acepting it and aknowledging its own historical importance and relevance and move forward as a more flexible and self reflective.
You keep fighting imaginary windmils though.

>>1485590
Once the Greeks converted it was only a matter of time until the Romans followed suit considering that Romans are incapable of original thinking.

>>1485554
Equality is part of the slave mentality, it makes every man subservient to the will of the herd, and every man must prove his utility to the herd in order to be considered "good" by its morals.
Islam is just as bad (if not worse) as it openly makes subservience and mediocrity its primary virtues.

All are life denying and only enslave man rather than allow him freedom to live how he chooses
Democracy is the worst modern creation of this herd mentality, where even the aristocratic soul is denied in favor of "utility men" the most clever members of the herd, basically bureaucrats

>>1485568
Honestly a revived paganism would have to incorporate new gods and concepts

The ancient ideas are so far divided from our own world that certain things the gods represented back then are not as relevant anymore, as well new things have sprung up which need representation.

The thing about paganism is its dynamic and flows.

Hinduism has seen development over thousands of years but euro faith have been dead for a long time, digging them up as they were then is untrue to the pagan spirit.

Rather using their ideas as a structure to build upon is the best path.

>>1483518
The revival of Turanism in Hungary (basically our pre-Christian culture) has brought back Tengri spiritualism. I've felt myself being drawn to it, I still consider myself loyal to the Catholic church as a societal structure, but I feel like Tengri is a much better outlet for my thoughts.

>>1485593
So long as people only appreciate Christianity for its utility and/or history it will never have the same impact it had in the past. At most you will have a load of "cultural Christians"

>>1485635
The thing about paganism is its syncretic
I belive in a godhead as well as a log of Christian ideas while still seeking to embrace paganism.

>>1483518
>comeback
>a few edgy larpers trying to practise a long-dead system of beliefs
>we don't even fully know how germanic paganism was practised
>most sources on it are from christians written long after its decline

>>1485594
see >>1485431
I share his sentiment.

>>1485630
Exactly. It already started hundreds of years ago, at least in my experience the general population is a lot more familiar with the Hellenistic myths through art and literature. Its still the true foundation of our culture.

>>1485636
Not nessecary at all.
Christianity has been abandoned by intellectuals to a large degree in the last few centuries but now that we are past the 20th century atheist revolutions we can start seriously thinking about the new ways in which we can think of sprituality and the nature of the divine/soul.
I dont have an answer but It doesnt mean we cant find it.
In a society where there is no core truth or objective truth or whtever you wanna call it "just stories" take center stage.

>>1485642

>he thinks dogma matters in cultural belief systems
>he doesnt know what archeology is
>he doesn't know that there is significant scholarly work in Germanic belief systems
>he thinks people are obsessed with bringing back the old religion and not building a new one based off of the old one

>>1485636
Just leave them alone. I don't want this thread to be gone in the morning.

Its off topic anyway, I wonder if the mods would do anything.

>>1485641
I learned a new word today.

I still appreciate the teachings of Catholicism, I don't want to give them impression that I've rejected it. I just don't take it as the one and only truth, and prefer the simpler and more nature oriented views of Tengri.

>>1485642
In Hungary, I'm regards to our Tengri revival, we say "we do no follow our ancestors, only the road they travelled".

>>1485248
Please. Like smug "le deus vult" LARPers don't post illustrations of Donar's Oak being cut down with snide comments attached? It you can't handle the bantz then don't talk shit.

>>1485276
>believing in sky daddies of any kind

>>1485125
>>1485497
Right we'll do the guys they usurped next, The Titans. They are the second generation gods who used to rule the 'Golden Age' before titanomachy. They generally personify natural concepts. They are mostly second and third generation.

They're twelve rulers were
>Saturn: God of Time
>Ops: Goddess of Fertility
>Hyperion: God of Light
>Euryphaessa: Goddess of Reflection
>Polis: God of Orbits
>Pheobe: Goddess of Prophesy
>Crius: God of Constellations
>Mnemosyne: Goddess of Memes
>Iapitus: God of Mortality
>Themes: Goddess of Natural Law

There are other Titans as well, because the word titan is also used to distinguish between those who are not descended from Saturn and Ops and those who are. Saturn (time) and Ops (fertility) are the parents of the Olympian Twelve.

>>1486119
>trying to understand heathenism from an abrahamic prospective

>>1487070
>Mnemosyne: Goddess of Memes
kek

>>1484770
>That's what 12yr olds actually believe

>Norse/Germanic polytheism has made a comeback
no. some autistic larping cult claiming it's name has made it into mainstream.

>>1487070
These are the Primordial Gods. The original and the First generation from it.

>Chaos: The only God that has always existed.
>Nox: Goddess of Night
>Erebus: God of Darkness
>Terra: Goddess of Matter
>Cupid: God of Physical Attraction
>Tartarus: God of Dimension

Also some of Terra's Children who she sometimes also mated with.
>Caelus: God of the Sky, Father of the Titans
>Pontus: God of the Sea
>The Ourea: Gods of the Land

>>1487088
Her children are all genres of inspirations. Actually I'll do them next.

>>1487141
These are the nine Muses. Children of Jupiter and Mnemosyne. They are the Goddesses of inspiration

>Calliope: Goddess of Epics
>Clio: Goddess of History
>Euterpe: Goddess of Music
>Erato: Goddess of Romance
>Melpomene: Goddess of Tragedy
>Polyhymnia: Goddess of Eloquence
>Terpsichore: Goddess of Dance
>Thalia: Goddess of Comedy
>Urania: Goddess of Astronomy

>>1487166
I thought that Kek was the god of memes.
The Greek names are better btw.

>>1485517
Yeah nah this is bullshit.

Most christian stuff is actually kinda shit really.

>>muh cathedrals, muh stained glass herp derp

No thanks, I'll take art of greco-roman or germanic polytheist stories instead.

>>1485583
>>oh wait none of this is true and the hellenes had to have their polytheist beliefs tortured and murdered out of them by zealous christians.
Yep, christards are stupid.

Also

>>one true god
lololololololololol

>>1485517
what a silly christfag

>>1485583
get cancer you filthy christfag

>>1487172
You can probably tell that her name is where the word meme comes from. Its also where the word memory comes from.

The only god I can think of that used their Egyptian name as their official one off the top of my head is Isis.

>>1487178
If I was still replying to them I would have said that its not even exotic because the polytheistic gods are everywhere. I'm sure more people have heard of Hercules than Samson, in fact I doubt people know any more than Jesus, Michael, God and Satan, maybe Judas. And hell most the time they call Satan, Lucifer. Lucifer being a Roman God, god of the Morning Star.

But don't reply to them, it bates them into derailing the thread.

>>1487208
Yes, being Greek I can confirm that Mnemosyne (Μνημοσύνη) means memory, but it has nothing to do with memes you dip.

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>>1487187
this

>>1487221
A memory is a type of meme, I didn't mean bane posting. If I'd written memory they would have thought it just meant memory as in conscious memories, when it clearly doesn't.

>>1485178
Yeah.
The attempts at sissyfying paganism into some shitty humanistic community kumbaya thing are fucking embarassing.

I mean, Celts sacrificed slaves, Germanics did human sacrifices every 9 years, Slavs murdered prisoners of war for Perun, Dacians threw some guy on spears to give messages to their god, greeks and romans did it from time to time.

And that's just Europe. The Americas and the Pacific had a boner for ritual murder big time.

Besides other things.
That's what pisses me off.

The gods were not "abstract personifications of human nature".
They were real, and they were eldritch abominations(seriously, the true forms of greek gods were huge angry elementals) that were either dicks to humans because they knew how powerful they were(and they will smite your ass or create a fate worse than death for you, if you forget that. There is a reason hubris is THE sin in greek mythology), or are nice to you, but they need to protect you from even worse forces out there(Odin, Ra, etc.).

That applies to spirits as well.
Sure, some are jolly or find humans amusing, but the pissed off ones will literally rape you, or maim you, or kill you, or steal your child, or make you starve to death by inflicting diseases on your crops or animals.

And you better praise them anyhow, unless you want to be prey to those forces, which will make the world end if left unchecked.

What's up with all the Christcucks? I came here to learn more about paganism and all i see is butthurt christians.

>>1487254
Then stop bating them.

>>1487250
Some of them blatantly were 'abstract personifications of human nature' and said so, blatantly, others being personifications of other things hell you admit yourself that the dudes are not their true forms. Others were personifications of other things.

>>1487247
Yeah I'm just shitposting.
>>1487250
The Greeks and Romans considered human sacrifice barbaric as far as I know. And yeah the original pagans actually believed in these deities, but should approach paganism by interpretation, not just "they're older gods so they must be better".

>>1487250
To be fair, non-sissified religions don't work that well in the industrialized world.

>>1487270
but we should*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGC-WmCGNxM

>>1487265
>Some of them blatantly were 'abstract personifications of human nature' and said so, blatantly, others being personifications of other things hell you admit yourself that the dudes are not their true forms. Others were personifications of other things.
Yeah, but it wasn't some metaphor.
The sea's power was sentient. and it had a name.

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When I was a teenager I studied intensely on the philosophical and naturalistic underlying of Germanic paganism, what the Gods meant, holidays like yule and hollows eve, the real meaning of rituals and sacrifice. I converted from an atheistic worldview to a secular and philosophical worldview of the Germanic European worldview. This actually stuck within me for quite awhile until recently when I started subscribing to Roman ideals, and the Roman religion. The first thing I noticed besides the different origins and names of things, is that it's just like most of the western European religions but just supercharged and very well described through their Gods and holidays (based Roman writers). I find myself more serouse than the "LUL FOREST LARPER LULUL." because i guarantee you i've more insight on the Roman and Germanic mythology. than most Christians on the Bible because such worldview requires me to look for insight in multiple ways than just accepting "PLS FORGIVE ME OMNIPOTENT GOD, YOU ARE PERFECT IN EVERY WAY AND SUPERIOR TO ME1111!1!!!." Upon researching any native religion you really learn how shallow, simple and over all corrupt the Abrahamic religions are.

>>1487295
I wouldn't call it "roman religion", if anything the origin of this pantheon is Greek, not Roman.

>>1487270
There's actually a Myth about a dude called King Numa having a drunk conversation with Jupiter about whether human sacrifice is really necessary or not, and they decide it isn't.

>>1487282
Pontus, though he's under Neptune's control. Its basically pantheism but with symbolic characters.

Whether they were universally thought of as sentient (like animal sentience) is up to debate, but no doubt a good deal of people did over the years.

I don't think they are actually person like however.

>>1487295
I'm only just starting to get into this. But nice to see someone else is interested.

>>1487312
Roman Hellenism=/= Greek hellenism
Greek Hellenism = Roman Hellenism

The idea that its a copy paste from Greece is far from the truth. The entire pantheon isn't Greek. Isis is Egyptian, Epona is Celtic, and a lot of them are Just Roman, Mercury ect is Roman, if he was greek he'd be called Hermes (it is the same dude though. But so is Wodan and Thoth)

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>>1487312
True to an extent, but not really. The main Gods were alike to the Greek Gods but Rome and Greece had several unique Gods unique to Rome and its people. Like Mars is the protector of Rome and it's Legions, and Athena is the vestal to Athens in Greece. And the Roman Gods play more to the Roman virtues of Gravitas, Dignitas, Pietas, Virtus.

>>1487340
I didn't know that there are also Egyptian and Celtic deities within the roman paganism, interesting.
Mercury is basically Hermes (Ερμής), the name's different but its the same deity.
>>1487342
Mars is the Roman name for Ares (Άρης), the god of war (but not stragegy, that would be Athena (Αθηνά).

Even before the Romans fully adopted the Greek pantheon they worshipped Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus. Jupiter is just one spelling of the PIE sky God Dyeus Pater, present in other Indo-European pantheons in the forms of Zeus Pater (Greek) and Dyaus Pita (Indian). It is possible that, in adopting the Greek pantheon, the Romans just saw many of their own gods expressed in a more developed and articulated form.

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>>1487352
>Mars is the Roman name for Ares
True, but the meaning of Mars, besides that of war is unique to Rome. The Greeks actually hated the idea and concept of Mars.

>>1487373
But it is the same deity, whether is was more popular in Rome is another story.

One difference between the roman and Greek pantheons is that in Rome Saturn was actually worshipped, as he was an agricultural God (hence the sickle) and master of time and seasons (hence Father Time as an old bearded man), whereas in Greece Cronus is just mentioned as father of Zeus and in a somewhat negative light. There is nothing indicating that Cronus had anything to do with time or agriculture. The God of time in Ancient Greece was an even older God, Chronus (notice the difference), which would equate with Aeon (eternity) in the Roman pantheon.

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>>1487380
whether he*

>>1484730
Well the logical step would be becoming agnostic, not reverting back to polytheism.

>>1487373
>the Greeks
Ares was the>>1487380
patron deity of Sparta and was to them like Athena was to the Athenians.

What a beautiful painting! What is going on there and source?

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>>1487365
And they didn't just do this with Greece.

It leads to some pretty neat obscure new gods as well. Here's the son of Set and Nephthys, Hermanubis.

>>1487381
Chronos* yeah chronos still means time in Greek. |
Of course there are small differences between Roman and Greek paganism, hell, even the Greek cities were a little different from eachother when it comes to religion.

>>1487400
Meant to >>1487383

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>>1487403

>>1487400
Meant for >>1487383

>>1487412
It's Artemis awakening Apollo, by Carl Bertling, a quick google search will do the trick.

>>1487418
The Roman name for Artemis is Diana btw, she's the godess of hunting, woodlands, wilderness, and the moon. Selene would be a more representative deity for the moon though.

I'm looking forward to the revival of Orphism.

>>1485070
le poo in loo meme anon.

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>>1487386
I think they should be used like John Bull and Uncle Sam.

Libertas, Goddess of Liberty, is already used like that. Here's a modern statue of her.

>>1487451
I'm so glad you poster her picture, cause I've never actually seen her before.

>>1487458
Do you live in New York or something like?

>>1485070
Hinduism is a pretty good example how real-life polytheism can be just as morally bankrupt as abrahamic religions.

>>1485583
>>that euphoric feel when Greece was the first culture to embrace Christianity

What are the Armenians Alex?

>>1487464
No. She is showed on every movie, picture, show, news, postcard, etc., basically anything that has to do with USA.

>>1487250
So what? Ancient Israelites sacrificed animals and you don't see modern Jews butchering doves to placate Yahweh's wrath do you? Not to mention that it's not even the same religion. Henotheistic yahwism evolved from Canaanite polytheism, and phariseism from yahwism, and Judaism from phariseism. Every religion evolves, including the abrahamic ones. Don't believe the abrahamite propaganda that their religions are always the same and never change. Yet somehow pagans are the only ones that are required by critics to an unrealistic degree of historical accuracy and "purity".

>>1487489
the difference is that modern paganism didn't evolve over time from historical european paganism, it just popped up one day claiming to be connected to this past tradition

>>1487438
Well its essentially Bhudism anyway isn't it.

>>1487505
Religion was, is, and always will be what sincere religionists make it out to be. They don't need permission or approval from anyone, much less the world archeological council for religious and historical accuracy.

>>1487510
>The Orphics were an ascetic sect; wine, to them, was only a symbol, as, later, in the Christian sacrament. The intoxication that they sought was that of "enthusiasm," of union with the god. They believed themselves, in this way, to acquire mystic knowledge not obtainable by ordinary means. This mystical element entered into Greek philosophy with Pythagoras, who was a reformer of Orphism as Orpheus was a reformer of the religion of Dionysus. From Pythagoras Orphic elements entered into the philosophy of Plato, and from Plato into most later philosophy that was in any degree religious.

It's the exact opposite of Buddhism. It's a hedonistic religion

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>>1487522
>Orpheus was a reformer of the religion of Dionysus.
Wasn't Orpheus supposedly ripped apart by the maenads?

>>1487522
I meant the cycle aspect. But yeah I see what you mean.

I'm not that big a fan of Hedonism alone. But I think some hedonistic elements are good.

You shouldn't forget that Dionysius is in a duality with Apollo. You shouldn't play without work, and you shouldn't work without play.

>>1487522
>hedonistic
Because they ritualistically drank wine as part of one of their sacraments? You're clueless.

>>1487535
What a way to go. Much better that just nodding lazily on a cross.

>>1487535
Its supposed to be based on his writings before that.

>>1487535
Don't interpret the myths literally. Dismemberment was a huge symbol in the Orphic religion. But I'm not gonna spoon-feed you anon. Do your research. The orphics would have preferred that way ;^)

If you want to know how awsome polytheism is, look at South/East/South East Asia, you Abrahamicuck

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>>1487557
>If you want to know how awsome polytheism is, look at South/East/South East Asia,

>>1483657
Reminds me of christcucks getting triggered by Harry Potter because magic is dangerous even though they say it isn't real

>>1487295
>when i was a teenager
>studied Germanic and Roman mythology
Were you that weird kid in high school

>>1487295
Do you by any chance have autism?

>>1487586
East/South East Asian then

>>1487601
Did you not get taught the bare basics of Roman and Germanic mythology at school? I thought everyone did.

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>>1483707
Paganism is stupid because it's a made up mockery of ancient folk religions we barely know anything about. Not to mention believing in made up shit is stupid.

But I wouldn't be opposed to celebrating the solstices and equinoxes just for fun, I find the idea of celebrating the longest and shortest days of the year and the modpoints in between them to be cool to celebrate in addition to every other made up holiday I already celebrate such as New Years, Valentines Day, St Patricks Day, 4/20, Cinco de Mayo, 4th of July, Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas

>>1487604
>Confucianism
No god(s). Not polytheistic.

>Taoism
No god(s). Not polytheistic.

>Chinese ethnic religion
Spirits, technically not god(s). Not polytheistic.

>Shinto
Spirits, technically not god(s). Not polytheistic.

>Mugyo
Kinda polytheistic, I guess.

>>1487625
By that definition Roman Paganism wasn't polytheism as there were many classes and types of entities that were involved in the religion.

It's almost as if narrow classification systems are useless.

>>1487648
Shinto is the worship of ancestor spirits. Would you really classify it as polytheistic?

>>1487625
>Confucianism
Has gods

>Taoism
has gods

Spirits count, or >>1487648

You my friend are a dipshit

>>1487671
>>Confucianism
>Has gods
>>Taoism
>has gods
[citation needed]

>>1485217
Religions need to adapt to the times. Slavery as an institution didn't die for moralistic reasons but materialistic ones.

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>>1487674
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism

>>1487489
>Ancient Israelites sacrificed animals and you don't see modern Jews butchering doves to placate Yahweh's wrath do you?
They can't.
They need to remake the temple for that(which can't happen for many theologcal reasons, besides the whole Dome of the Rock thinghttp://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html).
And they need a levite priest, which again, needs an unintrerupted line of succesion, which is a bit iffy, due to the whole "repeated exiles and massacres" thing.
But the animal sacrifices never went away

>>1485445
>You can believe in gods, spirits, and etc, AND a lord in heaven above all.

Skip the lord part, embrace the form of the Good.

>>1487586
ebin response my friend. really showed the power of almighty yaweh.

>>1487625
So, the only option remaining for polycucks regarding old school paganism are some tribes in Russia.
But isn't something glorious, it's the same old russians, but doing some shit in the wood sometimes.
Interesting, but nothing more.

>>1487708
see >>1487671

>>1487684
He's probably assuming philosophical Confucianism and Taoism are the whole of them.

Why are people so obsessed with an unbroken line of worship? All religions start somewhere. Platonism as a religion had a fucking long run and started with the works of fucking Plato.

>>1487688
How convenient. Modern pagans are totally for human sacrifice too, but you see, not until the temple at Uppsala is rebuilt and they find a priest from the line of Hagar. Though luck.

Religionists have no problem making stuff up as they go and the most masterful example is the bible.
>God's people get BTFO
>and the lord prophesied they will get BTFO, b-because of their transgression! Yahweh still Akbar!
>early Christians get mocked
>you will be mocked, s-saith the lord. It's ok guys, it was predicted! It's not our religion that is ridiculous or anything

>>1487489
It's not critics, it's butthurt Christians that are trying to discourage conversion.

Remember, spreading the "good news" (as though "agree with me or be tortured for eternity" can be considered good news, hah!) is a requirement of Christian faith.

>>1485583
Yes of course. The spread of Christianity in Greece has absolutely nothing to do with Constantine's conversion, the closing of the philosophical schools, or the outlawing of Pagan practices in Greece. Nothing at all. The entirety of Greece one day just up and said "yep, we're Christian now!"

>>1487729
The same reason catholics, orthodox and oriental christians shit on protestants:
"I'm gonna take this book, written by the guys i claim destroyed my religion, and use it to imitate what i think the religion looked like", and failing just as hard

>>1487765
You do know that's actually a strawman of their position, right? Reconstructionist polytheism also uses comparative mythology, archeology, and secondary sources to build their beliefs, right? How do you think Theodish get their beliefs? There is no "Anglo-Saxon Eddas" you fucking moron.

>>1487765
Also those groups shitting on protestants are all stupid for doing so because they don't seem to understand that the construction of the bible was as much a matter of politics and infighting as anything else, anyone who took even a passing glance at the council of Nicea can see that.

>>1487746
Diference is, the whole levite tribe and great temple and other stuff is at least documented, and thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."

So the jews are atleast aware they aren't doing it fully without the temple and the Sinendrihm, or whatever it is called.

Besides, i'm not even a jew, so i don't even care about this stuff. I simply stumbled upon that article from a random google search and found it interesting.

>>1487781
Good, those guys i can atleast expect to sorta be there.
Other groups....nope.

>>1487793
The Bible has nothing to do with the First Ec. Council, though....

>over 200 post and abrahamites didn't manage to derail and turn into a theological shitflinging contest
We're doing good guys!
>Hide abrahamite threads
>Ignore abrahamite posts
>Don't reply to abrahamite posters

>>1487816
But they are certainly trying.

>>1487624
New Years, Christmas and the Winter solstice are essentially the same holiday.

>>1487838
And Easter is tied to the March Equinox

>>1484615
why did paganism suck christian cock then?

>>1487804
Don't forget this is a Hellenism thread, and we do have primary sources.

>>1487855
because some pagans turned to christianization to boost their political power?

>>1487864
why were pagans so greedy for political power?

>>1487864
see >>1487816

>>1487868
shit, sorry?
>>1487867
same reason constantine was?

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>>1487855
Same reason as this guy

>>1485282
I think you switched up your former/latter.

>>1483657
hahahaha

>>1487937
He truly has no sense of irony.

>>1483657
Oy vey the goyim want to return to their ancestral faiths! Shut it down!

>>1487919
Rekt.

Praise Our Lady Juno.

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>>1487816

>>Ignore abrahamite posts

If only that was possible

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>>1483518
They're just atheist LARPers.

You don't really think they believe in that crap do you?

Also if they're authentic, do they make animal sacrifice to the gods? If yes, then i can respect them, if not then they're just cheap low quality LARPers and should fuck off. They're pretty much a mockery of their own culture and ancestors.

>>1488851
>average catholic

>>1489010
>Also if they're authentic, do they make animal sacrifice to the gods?

If Christians are authentic, why haven't they gone to Raqqa to be martyred yet?

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>>1485583
Don't forget the Bible was written in Greek. Christianity is pretty much a Greek religion.

>>1489025
I'm guessing this senseless quip is you defending the fact that your so called "pagans" are just a bunch of LARPers and a mockery to their ancestors.

>>1489041

And by your own standards, I can say the exact same about christcucks like you

>>1489052
How so, friendo? Do explain.

>>1489057

How many times have you even gives away all your possessions to the poor? Have you ever even given away any possession to help others? Have you ever donated money to help Syrian refugees? My guess is that you haven't, because you're a christian in name only, the worst type of LARPer

>>1489068
I'm not a larper, i follow the religion of my ancestors, not some mythology i read on wikipedia or watched a movie about.

>>1489090
>i follow the religion of my ancestors

And you never actually act according to that religion, which tells you to sacrifice your own wealth and well-being for others

>>1485583
More like Christianity was an invention of Hellenism.
>>1489026
This point was already addressed in
>>1484790
>>1484964

>>1489090
See >>1487816

My real problem with it is that it's just fucking pointless wank.

>zomg guize, our ancestors did this cool shit!!!!XD led's do ittt too even though we haven't done it for almost a thousand years now and neither have our parents, let's do it 4 our ancestors!

seriously, it seems most people who do it are no better than the fucks who do wicca.

Abrahamites are insecure because their religion is Semitic garbage mixed with stuff stolen from Paganism. Don't reply to them lest you feed their insecurities and they feel the need to piss on the thread to be able to sleep at night.

Abrahamites make your own threads to dispute which sect is a true Israelite.

>>1489116
It's not up to you to decide who is christian and who is not.

>>1489090
I'm not a larper, i follow the religion of my great great ancestors, not some mythology wrote by jew.

>>1489023
Huh?

>>1488891
Nice anon

>>1488891
You do know that the polytheist Stoics considered suicide an acceptable alternative to life if you found life unbearable, right?

>>1489153
Oh, I see. That's awful fucking convenient after you just asserted who is and isn't a successful polytheist.

>>1489384
I really like the design of that Mjolnir pendant. Where can I find one?

>>1489026
Are you fucking serious? the original text is hebrew you ridiculous christfag.

>>1489026
After being orally transmitted in Aramic for a few generations

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>>1489384
>that nigga with the fruits

>>1489415
Don't reply to them. They are off topic

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>>1489422
They ruin everything.

>>1487755
Dubs speak the truth once again.

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>>1489415
>what is the New Testament

>>1489442
he said the bible in general, calling christianity a greek religion is absolutely retarded since the new shitstament is based on the old shitstament, christianity is an abrahamic religion

>>1489475
and the new testament was written in Greek because it was a very important language back then, not because the christian religion originated from Greece

>>1489384
that black guy is pretty fucking based

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>>1489442
Hm. Is that Ostend?
>>1485630
>incorporating new gods and concepts
Coincidentally, that's a current plot in Marvel's Hercules.

>>1485103
because there was no centralized doctrine it makes it much harder to actually reconstruct in the modern day

it's one thing with some sola scriptura book type deal, and another with a completely organic set of beliefs

ancient paganism is to neopaganism what a 150 000 year old primeval forest is to a garden

>>1487403
>hermanubis
lmao, "herma" means to imitate in my country, and just like anubis it's a guy with a dogs head, so it's imitation anubis

>>1487518
Neopagans are not sincere, even if they might believe themselves to be so.

>>1490021
>Neopagans are not sincere
>even if they might believe themselves to be so.

I don't think you understand what the word 'sincere' means.

>>1483518
Can't say I support it, but I like that a major part of our distinct culture is back. Maybe I'd sport a hammer necklace with a cross engraved onto it.

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I support this.

Would the Vedic traditions be a worthwhile place to look for ideas in developing a more organic and modern polytheism?

>>1490328

I might suggest also looking at Shintoism and Native American religions.

>>1487295
>simple and over all corrupt the Abrahamic religions are.
its only corrupt cause its popular. If german paganism was popular, you bet it would be corrupt.

>>1483518
I don't get it. These are fundamentally unserious people. At least some Abrahamic devotees really believe in their religion. No "neopagan" really believes in theirs.

This trouble all started when people thought that "religion" was a concept separate from "opinion about ultimate questions that I don't agree with". I mean if you really believe that the Catholic Church is God's representative, then to you, "Catholicism" isn't a religion. It's just the sum total of all the people who are right.

>>1490706

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpNu4_TP9w

>>1483518
Does it really count if the majority are LARPers?

>>1483705
based Karl

>>1487187
Learn your history, pagan:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity#Greece

>>1490736
What's your point?

These are people who thought "wouldn't it be neat if we became pagans". The simple fact that they thought that, means that the whole thing isn't serious. True religious belief always starts with "I figured something out", or "okay, you've convinced me".

These are simply materialists who envy religious people and misunderstand the phenomenon.

>>1487755
Greece converted hundreds of years before Constantine.

>>1490786
>>1490786

>pagans
>historical literacy

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>There are innumerable persons with eye-glasses and green garments who pray for the return of the maypole or the Olympian games. But there is about these people a haunting and alarming something which suggests that it is just possible that they do not keep Christmas. It is painful to regard human nature in such a light, but it seems somehow possible that Mr. George Moore does not wave his spoon and shout when the pudding is set alight. It is even possible that Mr. W. B. Yeats never pulls crackers. If so, where is the sense of all their dreams of festive traditions? Here is a solid and ancient festive tradition still plying a roaring trade in the streets, and they think it vulgar. if this is so, let them be very certain of this, that they are the kind of people who in the time of the maypole would have thought the maypole vulgar; who in the time of the Canterbury pilgrimage would have thought the Canterbury pilgrimage vulgar; who in the time of the Olympian games would have thought the Olympian games vulgar. Nor can there be any reasonable doubt that they were vulgar.

REMOVE CHRISTKEK

>>1487593
It's the idea of magic, and they knew what they were talking about. I was very Christian when I first was made to read Harry Potter (assigned reading in 7th grade), and once I had gotten through... probably a book and a half, I pretty much would've up and converted to anything that promised me magic as long as it had ~a Heavenly Father~ in it somewhere. I really wished I could do magic and a few years later I was reading some of baby's first occultism and white magic (what I could find in the school library anyway). I never tried to summon or cast anything but it definitely had an effect on how I saw things for a long time.

>>1487270
Why? What the fuck drives people to shitposting even in threads they approve of?? And then admit it??
GTO newfagcuck

>>1485635
Jesus fuck magyars aren't descended from Huns fucking larper

>>1491173
Magyars are Uralic though, and some consider that Turan. I don't know how true that is though.

>>1490857
Based GK

>>1490857
>>1492368
Words, mere words. Paper and ink. They amount to nothing. The fact of real life is that EVERY Christian sect in the western world supports the dispossession and physical destruction of native Europeans, let alone tradition! And Christian wonder why native Europeans reject it! They think it's a matter of "faith" or whatever. Some people are not docile to their own destruction. This is the fact of the matter, everything else is immaterial -- and words, mere words.

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I'm pretty sure they made a comeback only for edgelords and atheists who's mommy made them go to church. I find it hard to believe that there would be an actual devout group of people believing in neopaganism. If there was, then at least I'd be able to take the joys of slaying them once again as had my Christian ancestors once did.

>>1492510
>>I find it hard to believe
Cry moar faggot.

>>I'd be able to take the joys of slaying them once again as had my Christian ancestors once did.
Fuck you and your dead gay jew too.

>>1492510
Hey christcuck Mahmoud is calling, it's time for >>1487919

>>1492497
shut the fuck up

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>>1492510
> then at least I'd be able to take the joys of slaying them

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>>1492510
>If there was, then at least I'd be able to take the joys of slaying them once again as had my Christian ancestors once did.

pssshhh...Deus Vult...kid

>>1492552
>shut him up
t. Rapefugee

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>>1492556
>>1492559
Gentlemen, we have come full circle, the christards are the new fedoras. :^)

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>>1492591
T-take that back in the name of Joseph's wife and her son, or I'll gladly slay you, evildoer!

>>1492591
It's been like that for a while. It's not that Christians are the new fedoras, it's that fedoras don't stop being fedoras just because they turn Christian. They still remain unempathetic sperglords without any sense of self-awareness.

>>1490792
>Greece converted hundreds of years before Constantine.

Maximum overkek. There were Greek converts before Constantine, but before his conversion, they were still comparatively fringe.

>>1489940
Why would it have to be the same?

>>1492591
On the internet, at least.

would like to see a pre-islamic pagan revival in the arab world

>>1493574
>would like to see a pre-islamic pagan revival in the arab world
The situation of pre-Islamic paganism is the opposite of the Greek and Roman religions.

Greeks and Romans left us plenty of written records, calendars, icons, myths, temples, etc.

Of pre-Islamic paganism we do not have a single story, not one, and we have extremely specific, fragmentary evidence. It's all gone.

There's the Book of Idols but it was written by a Muslim, and we have to go to the Qur'an of all things, to know about the goddesses.

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>>1484716
>violent rapists who never built or wrote anything of worth
>abandon centuries of philosophy, art, science, music, literature and charity
That's so fucking retarded.

All the best art of the west comes from the renaissance, the point when the ancients were re-discovered. It's called the renaissance precisely because this classical spirit was for a short time reborn (despite christianity's best efforts to destroy it).

The best western plays are literally just people translating and modernizing ancient Greek tragedies.

Literature improved massively with the re-discovery of the classics. Same with philosophy and science.

>>1494028
but muh monks copying ancient texts

>>1494028
>inb4 someone claims that the Renaissance was a scientific and artistic dark age

>>1494028
Das it mang. Das definitely = it.

Christcucks will try to take credit for both classical and Renaissance, as well as early modern, achievements though. Not to mention that many a medieval and late antiquity man was at best ambiguous if not downright pagan in spirit, men like scotus eriugena and meister eckart, which were rightfully branded heretics or semi heretics and we should rightfully claim them.

>>1493778
You know where Persia and Babylon were right? I know he said 'arab world' but I'm pretty sure he meant for Iraq to be included.

>>1483783
If anything, the myth of Prometheus shows the eternal cruelty of a ruling class towards the benefactors of the masses and the human-like nature which the ancients projected onto their gods (also stemming from the tradition of pre-semihistoric religions -christianity, islam and judaism- to have myth as an explanation for the order of the natural and the human condition).

>>1483518
obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpc-831GPs

Daily reminder that Christianity killed Rome.

>>1493778
What about the Epic of Gilgamesh, Phoenician theology by Sanchuniathon, Ugarit tablets and even the Hebrew Bible as historical source?

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>>1494114
>Iraq

>>1494150
Prometheus is the Hellenistic Martyr really.

Though you know, it isn't like he wasn't a thief trying his best to piss Zues off. And he was released during the Age of Heroes.

I think the punishment of Prometheus is the torment we inflict on ourselves directly because of our gift of creative intelligence (the fire).

>>1494222
>>1494222
then why is the punishment delivered by the gods to Prometheus? Why aren't there any repercussions to humans in the myth?

>>1494237
Because he stole the fire from them.

>>1494251
If prometheus is the one who delivered the fire to humans (in fact, his name translates to "provider/supplier"), and humans aren'tpunished for it in the myth, how is your interpretation of the allegory valid?

>>1494237
In Hesiod Prometheus is kind of a trickster too. He cucked Zeus more than once. Aeschylus and Plato tried to redeem Prometheus though.

>tfw when you will never read Aschylus' Prometheus trilogy because ISIStianity burned the library of Alexandria

>>1494259
Because Prometheus was punished for it.

And I'm pretty sure Prometheus is the God of forethought and his brother Epimetheus is God of afterthought.

>>1483657

Fucking roasted