Which is more anti-Semitic, Christianity or Islam?

>>1475303
Islam and it's not even close

Christians, especially conservative ones in America are head over heels for Israel.

Bible calls jews the synagogue of Satan, yet it says they are still god's chosen people

Quran denounces jews hard because they betrayed Jesus, yet it says they are people of the book, and are going to heaven

so you could say it's equal

>>1475303
Islam.
Next question.

Afaik I know, the only Christians who still consider Jews heathens are Orthodox

>>1475329
>so you could say it's equal
It's most definitely equal. Christianity has simply had all the offensive material ommited and people 'never really did that stuff'.

Christianity and it's not even close.
Proofs: https://youtu.be/d4oKMzaU-6o

>>1475335
>Christianity has simply had all the offensive material ommited
elaborate please

>>1475339
All reformists are antisemites.
The New Testament is immensely antisemitic.
Christianity has committed by far the worst crimes against Jewry.
https://youtu.be/d4oKMzaU-6o

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>>1475339
Why are all you fuck-wits so retarded when it comes to your faith?

>Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

> If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

When was the last time you worked on Sunday?

> Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Pic related, YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE THIS OTHERWISE YOU ARE SINNING.

>>1475370
chillax dude im not even a christian im a muslim

>>1475370
>forgetting that the old covenant applies only to Jews
Ever wonder why Christians outside the US don't circumcise their kids?

>>1475381
>I was just pretending to be retarded
You are still wrong, unless you are with ISIS. I just haven't made a Muslim version yet.

Christianity.

Muslims only recently began to hate Jews because of the question of Israel and Palestine.

>>1475396
>this revisionism
One of the first struggles early Muslims faced was against a tribe of Jews, they've always been distrustful

>>1475392
>Old Testiment = Old covenant
>not realising Old testiment is the Christian Old Convenant which are essentially the same things
>He literally does not understand religious History
Okay.

>>1475394
>le ISIS are right maymay

>1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
>2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
>3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)
>4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)
>5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
>6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)
>7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
>8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
>9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
>10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

Does ISIS follow this shit?

>>1475408
>he missed the part where the followers of Christ through him made a new covenant with God
OK.
The new testament is the true christian holy book, the old one is just background

this thread went to shit pretty fast.

>>1475409
>implying there is any context
As I said, I dunno yet. ISIS is definitley following the more literal versions of their faiths though.

Are heretics and heathens able to be considered human in Islam? Are they enemies worthy of this treatment? I guess if you can answer those questions for me I can give you my thoughts.

But I am almost certain they will simply justify themselves with "those who do not follow allah are not humans or less than us" yadda yadda yadda.

>>1475412
>the old one is just background

Kek.

>>1475335
>Christianity has simply had all the offensive material ommited and people 'never really did that stuff'.

You idiots are so predictable, truly sheep.

>>1475415
>Are heretics and heathens
yes

killing is one of the "greatest" sins of islam (next to usury,thievery, etc etc)

quran itself says let there be no compulsion in religion (AKA do not force convert other people)

>>1475409
>Abu Bakr literally has a PhD in Islamic theology
>ISIS staffed with imams
>some random poster on a haram board knows better than them

>>1475428
Right, so all of those Pagans, Christians and Zoroastrians converted on their own volition and wouldn't have fought until the bitter end, right?

>>1475428
>quran itself says let there be no compulsion in religion


>"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).

>"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

I mean the wordings are different. Violence is still there and Islam really is not my strong suit.

>>1475428
nice cherrypicking abdul utter sophistry

>>1475431
>obviously and flamboyantly going against the word of god
>hurr this guy has a PHD

saying baghdadi is right about islam, is like saying the child-molesting priests are right about christianity

i mean, you can't know better than catholic priests, amirite? :^)

and read my other post

>>1475443
>>"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
>>"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

boy you sure as hell grabbed this from google in 2 second, right?

dont reply to me unless you read the whole sura

it's a story not a commandment

>>1475458
Here's a better analogy for you: Saying ISIS is wrong about Islam is like saying Protestants are wrong about Christianity.

>>1475453
k.

>>1475409
>he fell for the Islam is nonviolent meme

Ka ka

The book prioritizes killing infidels retard.

>>1475466
>source: my ass

>>1475462
Hello, scholar of Islam.

Since you seem to be such an expert on the topic of Islam, I have some questions:

1. What are the five pillars?

2. What is 'Ijtihad'?

3. What are key fundamentals of Sufism?

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>>1475461
>it's a story not a commandment
>I am still wrong don't reply though because I don't want to be wrong
>I-I-It's not acutally part of the faith!
>insight cannot be gained through idealogical stories
Are you actually retarded? They are not JUST stories....... What the fuck? Everything in these books relate to the faith and following. If it IS a story it still hold relevence.

Especially fucking this part

>>"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Ignorance surely is bliss.

>Shutting down ignorance with literal google searches
That's how easy it is.

>>1475473
no need for that since he's obviously going to start googling and copypasting like crazy

>>1475473
Ask ISIS, they'll tell you. In perfect detail.

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>>1475474

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>>1475473
Here's a better question, answer for me the principal differences between Pentecostalism and Evangelical Christianity in regards to how they consider the role of the Church in worship? Now contrast between the interpretation of the importance of conversion between Evangelical Christianity and, say, the Lutheran branch or maybe even Roman Catholics.

The notion that ISIS is not Islamic even though they worship Allah and seek to fulfill His will is no different than claiming that Lutherans or Pentecostals are not Christian even though they believe in God.

This is not about whether they do or don't adhere to the tenets of Sunni Islam, it's about the fact that you are establishing a double standard for Christians and Muslims. A christian can disobey the tenets of the Bible and still be considered Christian, no one questions that even when they do bad things. When a Muslim bombs an airport though, suddenly everyone is pointing out all the areas where he did un-Qur'anic things and saying that makes him "not a muslim".

All you need to know to prove someone follows a religion is the answer to the following question:
-Do they believe in [relevant deity]

Everything beyond that is unimportant.

ISIS follows what they believe to be the will of Allah. They are Islamic even if they don't follow the Qur'an. All else is unimportant.

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>>1475476
>trying to deflect the questions

Considering ISIS doesn't even know which direction the Kaaba is, I think I'll pass.

Christianism de jure, Islam de facto

>>1475487
>deny the islamic state is islamic
>a dude in a random pic proves everything about the whole sect
Why do you expect an actual reply to this?

>>1475508
>ISIS are islamic

>ISIS: the same people who wanted to destroy the kaaba, Destrory the prophet's tomb, and destroy half of the mosques they see; are islam
ic

>>1475483
>moving the goalposts

You talk of double standards. If a Christian acts against the tenets of Christianity, he/she is told that his/her action(s) is un-Christian. The same is done by Muslims to Wahhabis.

I'm willing to wager you condemn Muslims for the actions of ISIS, yet refuse to condemn Buddhism for the actions of Ashin Wirathu or Christianity for Cardinal Richelieu. So please, don't try to tell me about "double standards".

Now, since you know so much about Islam, answer my questions:

1. What are the five pillars?

2. What is 'Ijtihad'?

3. What are key fundamentals of Sufism?

>>1475481
lmao thanks for crossposting this from facebook

>>1475508
Yes, the same people who mainly target muslims are Islamic. The same people who destroy Islamic holy places are Islamic. The same people who utilize prostitution via "sexual jihad" are Islamic. The same people who carried out attacks in the holy city of Medina are Islamic.

As for the "random picture", Muslims are supposed to pray facing in the direction of the Kaaba. ISIS fighters have been shown multiple times failing to do this.

>>1475515
>1. What are the five pillars?
>2. What is 'Ijtihad'?
>3. What are key fundamentals of Sufism?

I am not him but you can literally google that and gain enough understanding of their basic functions and how they work inside of Islam.

>Ijtihad
Is interpretation of Sharia law usually done by someone capable of doing so.

>What are key fundamentals of Sufism?
Essentially theur worship through someone who has their lineage of worship traced back to the prophet.

>What are the five pillars?
The core of their practical faith

I mean it's worded like shit, but you really need to make a proper argument.
>inb4 line by line dissection of semantics and how I am wrong
Don't bother.

>>1475520
what
i found this on /pol/ months ago

>>1475515
>Islam 101 that anyone with a google search and five seconds could answer easily

Why even bother? It's 2016. What answer, exactly, are you hoping to get?

>>1475515
You're not asking for anything relevant, yet you accuse ME of moving the goalposts? My knowledge or lack there-of of Islam has nothing to do with the fact that you are blatantly ignoring the point.

FIRSTLY: Wahhabism is a SECT of Islam, they are not separate.

SECONDLY: Don't fucking assume you know what I think or feel about any religious organization, figure, or group as a whole, because you fucking don't and it makes you look like an idiot.

THIRDLY: Un-Christian or Un-Islamic is not the same thing as not being a Christian. ISIS is composed of Muslims. They believe in and worship Allah, regardless of what you "think" about them. This is an established fact. ISIS members worship Allah, and they are Muslims.

FOURTHLY: Applying No True Scotsmans by saying "These people who don't agree with X are therefore not members of group A" is a belief rooted in stereotyping and prejudice. You believe that a group is homogenous. Muslims are good and if people are bad then they can't be Muslims because Muslims are good. ISIS is composed of Muslims, your circular logic does not change this fact. Do they deserve condemnation (WHICH THEY HAVE VERY MUCH FUCKING RECEIVED ALREADY) for their actions? Yes. Are Muslims all good? No. Are Muslims all bad? No. There are good and bad Muslims just like there are good and bad Christians, but proclaiming that "I don't like these people therefore they're not part of this demographic group I believe needs protection" makes you look like a prejudiced moron who's in denial of reality.

>>1475512
>same people who wanted to destroy the kaaba, Destrory the prophet's tomb, and destroy half of the mosques they see
Are you retarded? Or just a flatout liar?
They bombed the security forces around the mosque, to free it, and kill others only and exclusively on quranic justification. Everything they do is always supported by passages of the text. They are motivated by islam and islam only. What interpretation or version of islam that is, or if its "true islam" that is just the interpretation you like best, who cares? Its islamic because its based on their best (and plausible) understanding of the "perfect text".
Their fuckin head honcho has a doctorate for Islamic studies from the Baghdad University.
And you think he what? Doesn't know the text?
Next up: Pope and catholics and crusades actually buddhists.

Please try the "but you can't name the details of MY favourite interpretation of the text, so their interpretation therefore is clearly not valid!" argument again.

>>1475481
>IT'S NOT VIOLENT!
>IT'S SIMPLY ADVOCATING VIOLENT SELF DEFENCE
>IT'S A RELIGION OF PEACE!

Get outta here, Jamal. You are literally, also missing all the parts where it's saying you have to subdue them if they don't convert, you have to kill them if they don't convert.

It's all good though if you do convert.

>it's just those lines can be interpretated in such a way
>impying this isn't the literal problem with religions and translations

Fucking newb breh, can't even simple logic. I literally provided you full quotes, not snippets. I am not some idiot, like yourself.

>>1475524
Has anyone considered maybe they don't know how to find South?

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>>1475541
they LITERALLY said that the kaaba is a form of polytheism and must be destroyed

how fucking dense are you?

>>1475525
>Is interpretation of Sharia law usually done by someone capable of doing so.
Ehh more or less right.

>Essentially theur worship through someone who has their lineage of worship traced back to the prophet.
Nah.

>The core of their practical faith
List them.

>>1475529
There are people who will read the definition and history of Taqiyya and still fall for the meme definition.

>>1475542
>IT'S SIMPLY ADVOCATING VIOLENT SELF DEFENCE
Yes it does, Get fucked you hippie pinko

if someone threatens my life or my loved ones' i'd gladly kill him

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>>1475551
>the kaaba is a form of polytheism and must be destroyed

Are you implying it isn't?

Throughout the greater part of history, Christianity. They spent nearly two thousand years now blaming Jews for killing Jesus.

>>1475571
I mean, if you know the history of Islam a valid argument in that regard could easily be made. Doesn't the actual rock itself even pre-date Muhammad?

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>>1475524
>the same people who mainly target muslims are Islamic
Yes. Muslims in some sects, "worst animals" and apostates in others. Islam is the worst thing to happen to its followers.
>The same people who destroy Islamic holy places are Islamic
Yes. Holy to some sects, blasphemous to others.
>The same people who utilize prostitution via "sexual jihad" are Islamic
Yes. Because they have precedents in the texts. Because the texts are written in a way to easily allow interpretations like this.
>The same people who carried out attacks in the holy city of Medina are Islamic
Yes. To them, its occupied and they are trying to cleanse it.

>they pray in the wrong direction, there for they can't be praying to allah
Who they pray to in that direction? Lenin? Do they choose the wrong direction on purpouse to defy allah and the faith?

Using bad arguments like this is the worst selfsabotage of your asinine ideas you could do. Maybe thats why you do it, who knows.

>>1475409
The problem with declaring "true" followers of anything is that people cherrypick and interpret things constantly. You can pick parts of the bible and declare almost every jew/christain not real jews/christians.

Any descent would just create more and more non-believers until you're left with no one, but pertty much tiny minority of people who think exactly like you.

Identifying religions is best done by identities, not dogma.

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>>1475563
>if someone threatens my life or my loved ones' i'd gladly kill him
"Religion of Peace".

>>1475552
As I said and others have said all this is literally googleable, I am not even the anon you were arguing with just proving the way you have formed your argument is weak and doesn't hold.

>Nah.
Not at all?
>congregations formed around a grand master referred to as a mawla who traces a direct chain of teachers back to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad.

>List them
Seriously?

What the fuck are you trying to prove.

>>1475571
we don't worship kaaba, it's just simply holy.

say, christians don't worship Church of the Holy Sepulchre, But sure as hell they will be mad if it gets destoryed, right?

>>1475590
Exactly, this is what I was saying.

Religious divisions are huge, and every sect has different interpretations. You can't declare following dogma is the guide when literally one of the largest periods of political instability in the world (The Reformation) was due to a sectarian split which still remains today.

>>1475591
>>if someone threatens my life or my loved ones' i'd gladly kill him
>>"Religion of Peace".

no that's called basic human instinct you dense faggotnigger, that's why americans own guns.

hippie.

>>1475603
>no that's called basic human instinct you dense faggotnigger
mm and funnily enough, some religions teach you how to trenscend this basic instint.

Note. It's not one of the big 3.

Ignorant fatty.

>>1475583
Before Muhammad appeared, the Kaaba was surrounded by 360 idols, and every Arab house had its god. Arabs also believed in jinn (subtle beings), and some vague divinity with many offspring. Among the major deities of the pre-Islamic era were al-Lat ("the Goddess"), worshiped in the shape of a square stone; al-Uzzah ("the Mighty"), a goddess identified with the morning star and worshiped as a thigh-bone- shaped slab of granite between al-Taid and Mecca; Manat, the goddess of destiny, worshiped as a black stone on the road between Mecca and Medina; and the moon god, Hubal, whose worship was connected with the Black Stone of Kaaba.

>>1475601
I thought that the point of the post is that ISIS isn't Islam, because it doesn't follow the dogma listed. I guess I must've misunderstood it.

>>1475536
>you are blatantly ignoring the point.
You are blatantly ignoring my questions.

1. One of Wahhab and Saud's first acts together was sending forces to pillage Shia holy sites and killing the neighboring Shias. Acts like this, along with the very nature of Wahhabism, have led many Muslims to reject the idea of Wahhabism entirely. Furthermore, fatwas against radical Islam (one of which was signed by 70,000 clerics) more or less targeted ISIS

2. k

3. Muslims calling ISIS fighters is an escalated declaration of un-Islamic actions. ISIS fighters plunge themselves so deeply into the ideology of Wahhabism, which permits acts like killing other muslims, that many Muslims question their beliefs. Furthermore, the aforementioned fatwa(s) can make the statement "ISIS is un-Islamic" hold some weight.

4. I don't believe muslims are good or bad. I believe Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is bad, but I believe Gamal Abdel Nasser is good. It is foolish to collectively judge any religion.

>>1475303
christianity is more anti semetic when christians were still 'christian' and not the limp wristed shit they are now

muslims/islam was/is more tolerant to jews, though still from a 21st century standpoint intolerant

as of current, islam/muslims are more antisemetic only because they tend to follow their religion, whereas christians are pussies that don't follow their religion properly at all

>>1475617
>oh no pls dont defend yourself, let thieves rob you, murderers kill you,

like i said, hippie

>>1475622
Just answer this fucking question, okay?

Are Protestants Christians?

>>1475631
Insults do not prove you correct
>hippie is the best insult you have
Okay.

>>1475653
im not insulting you.

you say people shouldn't defend themselves, which is wrong

>>1475661
Nope. I am saying a religion which advocates any form of violence is not a religion of peace.

You can project all you want.

>>1475586
>Muslims in some sects,
Fatwas challenge the authenticity of these sects.

>Yes. Holy to some sects, blasphemous to others.
The "others" who believe this are most likely Wahhabis, and they're faith is often called into question. Also, again, fatwas against radical Islam often target Wahhabism.

>Because the texts are written in a way to easily allow interpretations like this.
"The devil can cite scripture for his own purpose" is an occurrence for all holy texts.

>Who they pray to in that direction? Lenin? Do they choose the wrong direction on purpouse to defy allah and the faith?
According to Muslims, the Qibla (direction faced when praying) signifies Muslim unity.

>Using bad arguments like this is the worst selfsabotage of your asinine ideas you could do. Maybe thats why you do it, who knows.
So I bring up something you don't know about, and that means I have bad arguments? You're the one speaking about shit you have little knowledge of.

>>1475667
hold up

who said islam is a religion of peace? not me

there is no "religion of peace"

islam allows self defense, so does christianity, so does judaism

hell even buddhism allows self defense, there is no religion of peace

>>1475682
Jainism

>>1475687
>be jain
>someone invades my house to steal my shit
>grab rifle an kill him
>oh no wait that would be violent
>call cops to shoot him
>oh no wait that would be violent
>end up dead
el oh el

>>1475701
Exactly.

>>1475682
There it is.

>I was just being retarded on purpose.

Funny how I said it's not one of the big three, then you go ahead and list off said big three. ANd it's funny, you used strict terminiology "killing", which is not the case anymore. Buddisim is directly against killing of any kind, even in self-defence.

>hell even buddhism allows self defense,
Is actually wrong, at least there is no clear meaning. To say with certainity like you have just proves your ignorance.

>who said islam is a religion of peace?
Me, literally the first thing I said in reply to you which you replied back to. Your argument has now fallen apart and you are actually feigning ignorance. Hilarious.

>>1475716
hold up
no i was not being retarded on purpose because i never claimed that islam is a religion of peace. dont grasp to straws

>Is actually wrong
myanmar

>>who said islam is a religion of peace?
>>Me
yeah, and that's wrong

>>1475648
Well I was never the guy who you posed the question to, but sure I'll answer:

Christian definition: "A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ."

Protestantism: "Protestantism is a form of Christian faith and practice which originated with the Protestant Reformation,[a] a movement against what its followers considered to be errors in the Roman Catholic Church."

So yes, Protestants are Christians, as their ideology claims to adhere to the teachings of Jesus.

Before you say "hahaha I was right! you have a double standard!", let me remind you that Islam and Christianity are two separate religions with different systems.

Let me also remind you that Wahhabism, the ideology of ISIS, has been refuted and rejected by Muslims ever since its founding. Furthermore, fatwas against radical Islam are essentially targeting Wahhabism. I also suggest you read the following links carefully and fully:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#Criticism_and_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa_on_Terrorism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-imams-issue-fatwa-on-isis-supporters-calling-them-non-muslim-1.2275582

Which a history of having it's Islamic authenticity taken into question, I'd be willing to say that the statement "Wahhabism is un-Islamic" is a valid statement.

>>1475727
>yeah, and that's wrong
Why did you even reply, you fucking idiot. That's the whole point. I mean go straight back here >>1475542
It's not my term, literally google 'Religion of Peace'. I mean your ignorance is astounding. DId you actually think I, literally me am calling it a religion of peace?

>myanmar
Wait, you think people speak for a religion? When they bastardize it's teachings it becomes that which it is not?

Holy shit, you're an idiot. All Christians wear white hoods burn crosses and lynch niggers cause the KKK do it. All Christians go to Africa abduct Children in the name of the Lord and attempt to over throw the current political reigeme cause, Kony is doing it.

>>1475670
Good thing not just any fucktard can issue fahtwas.. oh wait..
>is an occurrence for all holy texts
No its not, maybe in abrahamic ones. And "but others are also retarded" is a solid argument for.. you still being retarded.
>According to Muslims,
I asked you who they were praying to dipshit, not what the direction is called.
> that means I have bad arguments
No, the arguments being bad means they're bad. You googling some arabic words means jackshit.
And please go full alsan on me and yell about how you know so much more and how you have "expertise". All knowledgeable people do that, really.

>>1475737
The fact that Wahhabism has been refuted and rejected by non-Wahhabist Muslims means nothing. Protestant Christianity was also rejected by non-protestant Christians. Your argument basically amounts to "I do not know what the Reformation is and don't recognize why this is similar."

>>1475744
>Wait, you think people speak for a religion When they bastardize it's teachings it becomes that which it is not?
so many people can't be wrong, if they go to a formal war, then their religion must allow it.

and why do you think lethal self defense is unacceptable?

>>1475762
>and why do you think lethal self defense is unacceptable?
Kek. Literally no where have I even implied this, please by all means continue prejecting.

As I said before, a religion which advocated any form of violence does not equate to being a religion of peace. You are missing the point where Islam commands you to literally KILL whereas buddists ALLOW SELF DEFENCE but not killing.

>then their religion must allow it.
Please point me to these sutras.

>>1475762
>so many people can't be wrong,
Wew lad. You cannot be more wrong.
>mob rule when it comes to knowledge
Really now?

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>>1475370
I fucking ball punching contest that is modern religious people trying to prove they're sect is the most liberal of them all

like this shit

http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/what-does-st-paul-say-about-homosexuality

trying to pass off the most obvious statements through mental gymnastics
>u-um Paul didn't mean gays are bad, no, he LOVED sodomy, he just didn't like pederasty, that's totally what the verse means

>>1475777

read >>1475603
>>if someone threatens my life or my loved ones' i'd gladly kill him
>>"Religion of Peace".
this is what you said, right?

>Please point me to these sutras.
>inb4 reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/1d4lj1/what_does_buddhism_say_about_self_defense/

>>1475788
>I fucking hate the ball punching contest
oops

>>1475752
>Good thing not just any fucktard can issue fahtwas
Only a qualified jurist and/or a mufti can issue a fatwa. Either way, one would still have to acquire a ijazat attadris wa'l-ifta from an Islamic law school (actual school, not a school of thought). Furthermore, fatwas from actual clerics/schools are debated prior to being issued.

>"but others are also retarded" is a solid argument for.. you still being retarded.
My claim is that these "others" shouldn't even be grouped with other sects.

>I asked you who they were praying to
Allah, God, Yahweh, Dios, take your pick.

>some arabic words
If you knew shit about Islam, you'd realize that these aren't just "some arabic words".

You can't describe Christianity without using some Latin and Greek, just as you can't describe Buddhism or Hinduism without using some Sanskrit. Same goes with Islam and Arabic.

>>1475760
Catholics might criticize Protestants every now and then and make the old "we wuz the first true church and sheet" argument, but Catholics still recognize Protestants as Christians. The Reformation has already passed.

Meanwhile, Wahhabism is still being refuted and rejected, with many declaring it to be anti-Islamic.

>>1475789
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/1d4lj1/what_does_buddhism_say_about_self_defense/
You understand thats literally what I used to refute what you are saying.

There is nothing wrong with defending yourself.
There is something wrong with killing someone/something in self defense.

The Buddhist precepts for lay-people like us are:

"Do not kill." (Unintentional killing is considered less offensive)
"Do not steal." (Including misappropriating someone's property)
"Do not engage in improper sexual conduct." (e.g. sexual contact not sanctioned by secular laws, the Buddhist monastic code, or by one's parents and guardians)
"Do not make false statements." (Also includes pretending to know something one doesn't)
"Do not get intoxicated (or eat/drink intoxicants)."

If someone trying to steal from you, that's precept #2 in violation. If you kill in self defense, that violates #1. Rape clearly falls in #3.

Someone who ordains is expected to become strictly non-violent (even to insects, where possible).

>still didn't give sutras.

>this is what you said, right?
Again, cure your ignorance and google Religion of Peace. Here I will take out a step for you - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace.

Literally just stop.

You have back flipped so fucking hard.

>>1475462
Protestants ARE wrong about Christiantiy

>>1475487
I dont think theyre praying, pray should be on a clean surface, not in dirt

>>1475591
>congregations formed around a grand master referred to as a mawla who traces a direct chain of teachers back to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad.
There's a lot more to Sufism than that.

>>1475877
That's why I prefeced that line with essentially.

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>>1475841
t. Roman

Christianity by far.

Under the Ottoman Millet system Jews were basically left to their own, subject to the jizya like all other non-Muslim minority groups (while Muslims paid Zakat).

Many of the greatest Jewish thinkers flourished in the midst of Islamic societies. Maimonides wrote from Muslim Spain, Egypt and Morocco. Nachmanides wrote from Muslim Spain.

European Jews were subject to pogroms, expulsions and all form of legal harassment throughout the Middle Ages and into the 20th century.

Jews and Muslims basically had few problems until the Israel Palestine conflict emerged. The idea that this conflict stems from a centuries long religious conflict is absolutely untrue. It is a contemporary political conflict over territory, and in order to obfuscate this reality, certain people continue to suggest it is an unsolvable religious conflict.

>>1475327
That's only because of the beliefs promulgated by modern Evangelical Ameritards. Christians have persecuted Jews throughout history and the New Covenant (NT) bashes the Jews as does also the writings of theologians such as Martin Luther.
Islam at least scripturally recognizes Christians and Jews as people of the book, Christian scripture seems to be less emphatic of such assurances but in practice the Christians can be seen outdoing the Muslims with regard to tolerance in modern times.

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.[And they are] those who, if We give them authority in the land, establish prayer and give zakah and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of [all] matters." Q.22:40-22:41

This has traditionally been interpreted as a proscription on destroying Synagogues or Churches so long as such congregations pay Zakat. It's astonishing how ISIS tosses such verses aside without any theological sophistication or traditional jurisprudence. [There's a reason they're destroying hundreds year old churches in Iraq and Syria-- they were left alone for centuries, through different ascendancies of Islamic thought, through Shia and Sunni empires]

"And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ." Q. 5:48

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." Q. 2:256

Fuck the Christ-killer kikes

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>Christcucks who bastardized your sacred texts, sold out to pagans, added tons of fanfiction and have the ability to be above criticism while demeaning every other religion "Because the Bible Says So"
>Wont leave you alone because "you killed Jesus", kill and demonize you en masse, then pretend they are sorry for centuries of oppression, but only as a way to gain GBP with Jesus

versus

>Sandniggers who speak a related language, have nearly identical theological and customary concepts, respect your sacred texts and god and have a common emnity with Christianity.
>Wont leave you alone because they are just as pissed off about 648 as much as 1948 and will pretend their violent texts have nothing to do with them being violent, unforgiving murderers

>>1476109
hi schlomo

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>>1476120
Go to bed goy-kun, the (((adults))) are having a discussion

99% of antisemitism in Christianity stems from germans, if we systematically killed everyone of germanic descent in the world, antisemitism would not exist in the West.

>>1476161

Historian Richard Evans stated in the first volume of his Third Reich Trilogy that, if one had to guess who was going to commit an atrocity against the Jews in the late 19th/early 20th century era, you would probably guess France.

Spain committed one of the most well known anti-Jewish campaigns during the Inquisition/Reconquista.

All of the European nations attempted to expel Jews at some point during the Middle Ages. Some, like England, succeeded.

Finally, the worst episodes of the Holocaust took place in Eastern Europe, especially Poland, Ukraine, Romania and Hungary. By far the biggest victims were Eastern European Jews, and it seems that the Eastern European gentiles participated to a large extent in committing the massacres.

While the Germans definitely have a historic role in European anti-Semitism, perhaps most strongly in Martin Luther, I think it's absurd to say that the majority or vast majority of European anti-Semitism is of German origin.

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>Anti-Semitic
But arabs on the peninsula and Levantine people are are semitic.

>>1476491

This is such a stupid fucking argument.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=anti-Semitism

So youre saying both christian and islam followers hate thremselves? They are both semitic religions. And their followers are blood tied to the semitic peoples. As for people being anti judaic, well if you look at demographics it is not true. The jews are the single most successful and wealthy people and they have lived in both lands. Gypsies have historically experienced more hate than the jews.

>>1476498
But it's strange that they would use that term, in fact it even mentions it in the link.

>Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions, or policies, but almost always used in this sense.

>>1476502
Think for yourseld without emotion of what propaganda tells you what is what. A semite is an inhabitant of the arabian peninsula/levant that also conquered north africa way before mohammad existed. There is not a european dynasty that exists today that doesnt have arab blood flowing through their moroccan ancestor.

>>1476512
A semite is a descendant of Noah's son Shem, as opposed to Japeth (European) or Ham (African)

>>1476503
The word semite is a strategic one. You see when ottoman empire was toppled europe was expecting immigration from those regions. A group of jewish adherents decided to call themselves semites. Despite many not having recent semitic blood in their gene pool. Some do. This was done to protect the immigrant via a self proclaimed boycott maneuver. They added themselves into the masses of unwanted immigrants. Was it for a good cause? Yes. Did it hurt education? Yes.

>>1476525
So biblically speaking the turf of the semite is in the levant, arabian peninsula, east africa and north africa. These people speak a semitic tongue therefore they are descendants of shem.

>>1475934
This, in practice, it's Christians who are less anti-semetic, but that has more to do with politics and the modernization and secularization of Christendom.

On paper, the NT basically treats Jews as evil for not recognizing and killing Christ. The Koran, on paper, calls for the acknowledgement of Jews and Christians, although the murder of outright non-Abrahamic pagans of course, just like Christianity, is permitted.

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>>1475303
>>1475327
>>1475330
99% of muslims literally ARE semites. Only 10% of kikes are.

You know nothing.

Nothing is more antisemitic than zionist supremacism:

Non-semitic Khazar jews are NOT from palestine
/watch?v=D_pgwn9og58
Jewish genome myth BUSTED
/watch?v=XsqvWKTrsLg
Anti-"semitism" explained
/watch?v=l_VzxIVOKbs

>>1476559

The inability of people on this website to put in the effort necessary to parse good information from bad information is annoying.

You don't have to be this stupid. Please.

>>1476503

>but almost always used in this sense.
>but almost always used in this sense.
>but almost always used in this sense.
>but almost always used in this sense.

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

literally the only time it's used in any other sense is by contrarians.

Word meanings are complex and informed by typical usage patterns; neologisms like "anti-Semitism" are especially bound to the intent and context of their coiners. They are not restricted to the literal meanings of their root meanings.

If you can't get this through your head then stop using words.

>>1476590
>ReligionMathGuy
>>1476604
>ReligionMathGuy
FOR WHAT FUCKING REASON

>>1476617

Because those are the two subject areas I know most about. Take a deep breath.

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>>1476640
Just fucking leave.

>>1476647

Are you trying to suggest the two topics are somehow contradictory?

Neither are anti-Semitic. They are both Semitic religions.

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>>1475329
>Bible calls jews the synagogue of Satan, yet it says they are still god's chosen people

Wrong. It calls fake jews the synagogue of satan. Get it right, Schlomo.

>>1476703
>/pol/ collages
They've started already.

>>1475303

Right now Islam, but historically Christianity.

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>>1476703
>The Holocaust deniers will then take the original (harmless) photo and the new, fake atrocity photo and post them side by side in forums that discuss history. They will then claim that the fake atrocity photo was faked by "the Soviets" or by "the Jews" for the purpose of libeling Hitler and the Nazis. They will then argue that ALL atrocity photos were faked like that, and, surely, the Holocaust has never happened.
>Conversely, sometimes the deniers will take a real atrocity photo and use Photoshop to erase the atrocity from the photo. They then claim it was the Soviets who took a harmless photo and inserted a fake atrocity.
>Soviets did fake a lot of propaganda photographs, especially during the Stalin era. That was often done to erase prominent persons from the collective memory when they fell victim to Stalin's purges.
>Holocaust deniers exploit the fact that many Stalin era propaganda photographs are faked and manipulated in an attempt to cast doubt on all photographs that show German atrocities.

Aren't these sort of threads banned?

>>1475821
Because Wahhbism is relatively new, you think Protestants were that accepted when it first came out?
Give wahhabism a few centuries and you'll have people accepting it

>>1475303
Christians.

Motherfucking Ottomans literally bailed the Jews from Spain.

>>1475327
>Christians, especially conservative ones in America are head over heels for Israel.
Because you're protestcucks.

>Be Filipino Catholic.
>Educated since day one that Pharisees were responsible for Jebus' death.

>2000something
>The Passion gets released
>They show this.
>American Christians: MUH ANTI-SEMITISM.
>Literally scratch my head as I know the Jewish Clergy condemned jebus to death.
>Apparently its a No-no in the USA.

>>1477320
And in turn the jews were trying to claim ottoman land when the empire was at death's door.

>>1475303
There's no such thing as anti-semitism.

When you're chased out of all countries in the world, it's not the rest of the world that is the problem.

>>1476525
Going by ancient Hebrews belief in racial makeup is hardly a defining point, anon.They also say Persians and Medes are directly related to the Elamites by blood; who have no connection speaking in terms of genetics with Iranians at all.

>In the racialist classifications of Carleton S. Coon, the Semitic peoples were considered to be members of the Caucasian race, not dissimilar in appearance to the neighbouring Indo-European, Northwest Caucasian, Berber and Kartvelian-speaking peoples of the region.
>As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the religions (ancient Semitic and Abrahamic) and Semitic-speaking ethnicities as well as the history of these varied cultures as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution.
>Some recent genetic studies have found (by analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples) that they have some common ancestry. Although no significant common mitochondrial results have been found, Y-chromosomal links between modern Semitic-speaking peoples of the Middle East like Arabs, Hebrews, Mandaeans, Syriacs-Arameans, Samaritans and Assyrians have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron).
>A DNA study of Jews and Palestinian Arabs (including Bedouins) found that these were more closely related to each other than to people of the Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopian Semitic-speaking people (Amharas, Tigre people and Tigrayans), and the Arabic speakers of North Africa.
>Genetic studies indicate that modern Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Mizrahi specifically), Levantine Arabs, Assyrians, Samaritans, Syriacs-Arameans, Maronites, Druze, Mandaeans, and Mhallami, all have an ancient indigenous common Near Eastern heritage which can be genetically mapped back to the ancient Fertile Crescent, but often also display genetic profiles distinct from one another, indicating the different histories of these peoples

>>1475469
Go look up the islam's definition of "innocent".

It is true islam forbids killing innocent, but first, look up the islam definition of it.

>>1475303
Christianity pre-israel, islam today

>>1475329
The Jews aren't going to heaven according to the Quran. Only the Jews before the time of the Prophet

>>1477355
People aren't innocent if they have killed unjustly. That's the only time the Quran prescribes death

>>1477474
>The Jews aren't going to heaven according to the Quran
Citation needed.

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>>1477508
Source right under