Jonestown

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Port_Kaituma_airstrip_shootings

How were the american reactions back then? Those numbers are insane

>>1471210
Pretty insane. People's Temple were a radical leftist/communist group in San Francisco, but they were pretty popular, even a mayor of San Francisco endorsed them and had Jim Jones in his administration. They were vaguely like the Branch Davidians at Waco, people who joined a charismatic cult to escape a world they thought was evil.

After some bad press on PT and a few people leaving it, Jones convinced everyone they were under assault so they were moving to an agricultural community in Guyana to escape the evil US.

I'd say what allowed it to happen is that people, both in the PT and outside of it, trusted Jim Jones too much, they thought he was a great guy because of all the nice things he said. By the time they had moved to Jonestown, people were afraid of him and thought they were the only ones in the group who were afraid of him; meanwhile, he was out of his mind on drugs and paranoia.

There's a good documentary on Jonestown, can't remember what it's called, and Jim Jones' son says he doesn't hate his father, but everyone was afraid of him and that what he did was terrible, even if he himself didn't realize it.

>>1471424
How'd his son make it out? I thought pretty much everyone died, or did he just knock some normy up

>>1471424

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydHRESPjBxg

Is this the one? I'm watching now, it's pretty good.

>>1471210
It wasn't Kool Aid, but Flavor Aid.

>there are people out there charismatic enough to form cults numbering a hundred people while I struggle to interact with a gas station clerk when I buy a pack of cigarettes
Why genetics why

>>1471845
Someone has to raise Chad's kids.

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>During his time in Congress, Ryan...was famous for vocal criticism of the lack of Congressional oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), authoring the Hughes–Ryan Amendment, which would have required extensive CIA notification of Congress about planned covert operations. Congressman Ryan once told Dick Cheney that leaking a state secret was an appropriate way for a member of Congress to block an "ill-conceived operation".

>Despite the growing allegations of misconduct against the Peoples Temple in the U.S., the move to Jonestown was given the full support of the American Embassy in Guyana.
>Richard Dwyer, whose name was listed in Who's Who in the CIA, was Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy to Guyana at the time. There exists a strong likelihood that Ryan would not have been at the airstrip during the attack without direct intervention by Dwyer.

>>1471660
I think Jim Jones sent his son to meet Congressman Ryan in the Jonestown reception center in the capital of Guyana (Georgetown?).

For some reason that I can't remember, he didn't go back to Jonestown; I think he could tell there was something really wrong with his dad and he felt very uneasy about Congressman Ryan's visit. He lucked out and was allowed to leave, then followed his instincts to not return and wasn't there when Jim Jones ordered everyone to commit suicide.

>>1471808
Oh that's a different one than I saw. I looked it up, it's called Paradise Lost and is a marrated dramatization with intermittent interviews by Jim Jones' son, a journalist who accompanied Congressman Ryan on his visit (and was fucking shot on the tarmac! forgot about that), and a handful of other people.

It's History Channel, but it's better than their standard fare; stuff like Jonestown is what the History Channel was made for and does best, an oral retelling of people who lived through a single event.

>>1472288
>*narrated dramatization

People are retarded and will believe in fucking psychic powers, alien warlords, magic crystals, zombie jews, 8 armed blue elephants, and the ramblings of schizophrenic Arab pedophiles

Autism and unawareness.

>>1471893
delet this

What was the name of that documentary about an Indian-American who pretended to be a mystical guru prophet and built up a cult before revealing himself as a fraud to see their reactions?

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>The only sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives to have been assassinated in office.

>>1471424
Als he convinced the church that he was some holy being by doing fake miracles and whatnot

>>1471210
The people of the 60's and early 80s were psycho-fucking-weird. The amount of bullshit cults in the west at that time makes me puke.

>tfw jim was right about everything

>>1472291
it's that or watch a 3 hours PBS slideshow of pics

>>1473035
I'm guessing you don't know much about America during the 1830s-1840s.

Protip: The Mormons were just one of dozens of religious cults to spring up during that time. They were just the most successful.

>>1472309

A Honest Liar has a piece about that in it.

But its nostly about the amazing Randi.

>>1471845

Anon, you just need to have courage to take advantage of critical situations, like he did during the Cold War (Maybe now is something like BLM or the political scenario), you just need to say what people want to hear.

My parents made part of a nasty hardcore Church when I was a kid. Something like westboro Baptist Church but a bit more radicalized. They also sent me to church camp every semester.
I never had so much gay sex in my life.... those were the days

>>1473601

But the gay sex was part of the church?

>>1473631
No. It's funny the amount ofcloset cases you find in there, though.
I wonder if every church is like that. It was a really homophobic church, and for sone reason full of closet queers. Ah, to be young abd careless... buttfucking roommates during the warm nights of summer vacations...

>>1471836

Came in here to say this.

Historical trivia ftw!

>>1473665
stop anon, you're turning me on.

The Death tape is an interesting thing to listen to. Jones basically telling people to stfu as they are dying by his orders.

>I know you're killing yourself and your kids but jesus christ have some dignity
>I'm sure your kid is in great pain from the poison but can you shut him up please???

>>1471210
MKultra project scrapped

the majority of people in jonestown where shot in the back of the head

>>1473806

Fucking coward killed himself with a gun.

>>1472309
Kumare

>>1473806
>"did you realize the majority of the people who left were white"

What a manipulative fuck.Also, man black people were over represented in this cult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMrFCwYAZxE

>>1471210

>Dey, drink this grape drink out of this rusty ass barrel.
>Ok!

>>1473990

That's not how it happened though. If you've got the time and are prepared to listen to something spooky see the clip this anon posted >>1473971

>>1473990

Didn't some folks have guns so they forced people to drink it?

>>1473971
People's Temple was staunchly anti-racist and appealed to people who were poor and were social outcasts, so it's not really a surprise that black people were overrepresented.

PT was kind of a hangover of utopian 60s counterculture-commune ideals. Most cults nowadays appeal to disaffected middle class and lower middle class white people (or sometimes to the very rich who have money to burn on expensive initiation shit)

>>1474197

Listen to the Death tape. People drank voluntarily. The whole ritual had been done many times before, and the concept of 'revolutionary suicide' was a familiar one. It had happened before that everyone was made to drink "poison", and only after they had drank it, it turned out it wasn't poison.

To what extent the people were aware that this time it was the real deal, I don't know. Although the screaming children you can hear on the tape suggest that halfway through, everyone must have known what was happening. They still kept drinking the stuff.

>>1474284

That's sick, is there anymore cases of mass suicide because of some freaky cult?

>>1474307

It's not on the same scale but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)

Also not one mass suicide but a nice historical one for you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions

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>>1474316

The most aesthetically pleasing mass suicide of all time.

>>1474316
>This and other UFO-related beliefs held by the group have led some observers to characterize the group as a type of UFO religion. In October 1996, the group purchased alien abduction insurance to cover up to 50 members at a cost of $10,000.[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction_insurance


WTF

>>1474316
>>1474349
>>1474356
http://heavensgate.com/

Their website is still up. It's maintained by one of the surviving members.

>>1474366
Creepy

>>1474316
>>1474356

>Only one of the group's members, Rio DiAngelo/Richard Ford, did not kill himself. He videotaped the mansion in Rancho Santa Fe; however, the tape was not shown to police until 2002, five years after the event.[36]


Can we find the video on the internet?

>>1471660
His son was on a basketball team which played against other teams in the region, I think? The team was out of the compound playing a Guyanese team when the massacre happened, I believe.

>>1473665
>Itt things that never happened

>>1474356

> The company pays the claimant $1 per year until their death or for 1 million years, whichever comes first.
>whichever comes first

>>1474366

God I love that 90's look

>>1474424
Hey man, you don't know what alien tech can do to aging.

>>1474424

>get abducted by aliens and given a one million year life span
>insurance company goes bankrupt after forty years

>>1474408
>he thinks this doesn't happen

>sexual religious oppression

Read a book or two anon.

>>1474491
I've read quite a few books, I could read a million and that still wouldn't make your story any more believable.

>>1472295
/x/ is good proof of this.

>>1473099
Pretty sure the Mormon's didn't try to commit mass suicide, or killed some American politician.

Holy shit

Cults are fascinating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_Society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Ten_Commandments_of_God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Guinefort

I've been thinking about founding my own and making some quick cash off the idiots who believe in it

>>1474707
They did kill several people via vigilante justice in Missouri. The governor actually declared war on them.

Joseph Smith was killed in jail by a mob in Illinois and Mormon vigilantes performed some reprisal kills there as well.

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>>1474501
It's not my story, but if you don't think Christians have sent their children to pray the gay away camps which in turned became a fuck fest since it's a camp full of gays idk what to tell you. The Bible Belt is weird

>>1473035
Also how lax people in government were to just about anything up until the 80s, nowadays it'd be insane for a congressman to fly out to a different country basically unarmed with no guards.

Proof that if all your friends jump off a cliff you would too

Had a good joke about it, but the punch line's too long.

>>1476939
>IT WAS JUST A PRANK

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>>1471893
great pull

>>1471210
My family (and baby me) were Jesus freaks in the SF Bay Area at this time.
My (pastor) dad had theological differences with Jim Jones, and didn't like his personality, but they swam in the same circles. I know mom had at least 2 friends who died in Guyana.
It's really crazy to think how easily something like this can go so wrong.
Don't follow leaders, people!! Question authority!!!

Globalist Commies using God. Glad they killed themselves.

>>1474356

what the fuck is wrong with California

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>>1474879
Fuck yes anon.

Many nights I've wasted going from page to page on wiki looking at all of the different ones.

Domestic terrorists too of course.


Timothy did nothing wrong

It always bothered me that they died right beside (and if my memory is right, some aboard) the planes.

To be so close to escape only to still be killed with everybody else just doesn't seem right.

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>>1474879

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud4Z9xkre6g
Children of God(now known as the Family International) is pretty crazy too.

The propaganda sex cartoons are weird to read, but the art is surprisingly decent.

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>>1471210
Jonestown is legit one of the creepiest, most fucked up things I've ever seen. Even something like pic related I find unnerving just knowing what was going on there.

>>1471424
It wasn't just the mayor. He also had pretty good connections to gay martyr Harvey Milk and current Senator Dianne Feinstein. Jones was a huge player in the San Francisco political scene.

>>1480353
The recordings are terrifying

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>>1480098
>(and if my memory is right, some aboard)

Yep. See >>1471213.

>Larry Layton was a passenger on the Cessna, the first aircraft to set up for takeoff. After the Cessna had taxied to the far end of the airstrip, Layton produced a gun and started shooting at the passengers. He wounded Monica Bagby and Vernon Gosney, and tried to kill Dale Parks, who disarmed him.

Spent 18 years in various Guyana jails and U.S. federal prison and was released in 2002.

>>1480149
>but the art is surprisingly decent.
Good enough to jerk to?

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>>1480664
If that your thing then, yeah I guess so. Not a lot of it I can find, and the further I look into it, the less I want to. Just think some of the art look good.

>>1471845
>blaming genetics for your lack of guts

>>1474349

Does anyone know if the Heaven's Gate mass suicide caused a dip in Nike's stock value? I'd love to see the charts.

>>1471210
god damn that's some powerful lean

>I, Marceline Jones, leave all bank assets in my name to the Communist Party of the USSR. The above bank accounts are located in the Bank of Nova Scotia in Nassau, Bahamas.
Please be sure that these assets do get to the USSR. I especially request that none of these are allowed to get into the hands of my adopted daughter, Suzanne Jones Cartmell.
For anyone who finds this letter, please honor this request as it is most important to myself and my husband James W. Jones.[156]


>I am at a point right now so embittered against the world that I don't know why I am writing this. Someone who finds it will believe I am crazy or believe in the barbed wire that does NOT exist in Jonestown."[157] The last line ("We died because you would not let us live in peace.
Why are communists so fucking stupid /his/

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>>1474707
>Pretty sure the Mormon's didn't try to commit mass suicide, or killed some American politician.
YEAH, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE A MASSIVE THEOCRATIC EMPIRE, S'ALL.

Jim Jones used to be my Whatsapp avatar

>>1471210
My family are indian guyanese. I'll ask them about it later, since they lived there at the time, they probably just saw it as a bunch of weird white people though

>>1474197
Yeah.

A couple people bolted and got pinned down and injected with the cyanide.

It's up for debate how many deaths were suicide and how many were murder.

>>1485366
Apparently one of the reasons the Guyanese government didn't intervene before the suicides was because Jonestown was built on land that Venezuela claimed as their own.

So that way if Venezuela invaded to get their clay back, there'd be hundreds of gringos in the invasion route.

>>1483512
If they weren't they wouldn't be communists.

>>1485366
most of the people at Jonestown were black

>>1473836
This

>>1471424
I don't remember if it was his son or some other guy, but I saw a documentary where his only grudge against Jones is that he shot himself. While everyone was drinking the poison and suffering, the guy went the easy way. For all his talk of equality, he couldn't have bothered to die like his followers.

>>1471836
This!

>>1474707

There were armed battles between the american government and mormon militias in the west.

>>1483545
Oh so that's what Deseret was. I always wondered if it was some injun state in /gsg/ threads.

The middle east seems more sane than the US

>>1480149
>The propaganda sex cartoons are weird to read, but the art is surprisingly decent.
Got any source?

>>1473836

This. When will the "mass suicide" myth die?

>>1480149
>"this generation is really lost, we've got to reach them."
>"I know! lets make a religion based around everybody fucking!"

>>1480149
The also had surprisingly decent music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RfU5r63AXY

>>1474707
>yfw Mormons massacred over a hundred settlers and tried to cover it up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

There's too many demons in their fanfiction cult.

>>1471210
I have just read the wiki.
What amazes me the most besides the power Jones seems to have had over the minds of so many people is the lack of security an American government official put into practice while visiting a socialist cult in the middle of fucking nowhere in the middle of the cold war.
Unimaginable for me nowadays.

>>1471845
rhetoric is a sleazy politician's game. dont fret about it

>>1473836
Too much truth

You will be banned and sent to /x/ for speaking truth to /his/

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>>1471893
>Richard Dwyer was deputy chief of mission at the U.S. embassy in Guyana when the tragedy took place. In his oral history, he recounts the prelude to the massacre, how he pretended to be dead when shot at the airstrip, and how he dealt with the subsequent harrowing events. He was interviewed by ADST’s Charles Stuart Kennedy starting in July 1990.

http://adst.org/2012/11/the-jonestown-massacre/

>>1473836
>>1489883
>>1492292
>>1487485
see >>1492538

Why do any of you believe the CIA was involved, or the cause of it... because "Richard Dwyer" and "MKULtra"?
if you have other proof or any specific proof, I'd be happy to research it, if you feel like posting.

please do read the link from previous post, Richard Dwyer's inteview:
>http://adst.org/2012/11/the-jonestown-massacre/

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>>1474879
>>1479906
>>1480353
have you anons heard of Ant Hill Kids and psychotic abusive alcoholic leader Roch Theirault?

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/theriault-roch.htm

>Sometimes he would beat or whip his followers; sometimes he would strike them with the broad side of an axe, or with a hammer... or force them to perform analingus on one another or smear themselves with each other's feces.

>Sometimes he would hold two women's children over a fire and threatened to throw one of them in... The children had chores around the commune such as hand-washing the adult women's sanitary napkins

>The children's (only education was) about group sex rites which were held in the cabin, and which involved the whole "family." Thériault and his teenage son, Roch jr, also sexually molested and sometimes raped the children. Rock sr would sometimes have the children masturbate him, or watch as members of the group masturbated one another or themselves...

>He passed the acetylene torch over Josée's back until the skin bubbled
>hit Jacques in the head with a blunt axe, and broke his ribs with a wooden club
>beat Nicole, three months pregnant, caused her to miscarry, he shot a .303-calibre bullet through her shoulder
>He broke Gisèle's ribs with his steel-toed boots.
>He sprained Claude's toes, pulled eleven of his teeth out with a pair of pliers, poured boiling water on him, forced him to sit on a lit stove...
>He squeezed Gabrielle's and Gisèle's nipples with vicegrips until they bled.
>he ordered his wives to pluck Claude's pubic hair bald.


and that's not all.. he did surgery (including castration) on his followers; attempted to punch a prolapsed uterus back in (then tied it off); murdered a baby; chopped one wife's arm off with an axe, long after he'd taken her pinky with a wire cutter; and killed another wife (did surgery on her), then had a member make a hole in her skull with a hand drill, and jizzed in it, "convinced he would be able to resuscitate her."

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>>1476939

>>1492621
A real jerk.

>>1471316
My parents told me about how afterwords their college had koolaid parties, trash bags full of cheep booze and koolaid.
That's how they met

>>1493489
Underrated

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>>1493428

>>1471210
Anyone that dies due to coercion from a cult is a victim worth feeling bad for.
Anyone who falls for the rhetoric of a cult and dies willingly is just Darwin's law taking it's course.

>>1474707
No, they just fought wars with the US Government.

>joining a cult

deserved to die tbqhfam

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>>1471210

Bad day to be an enlisted trooper in Guyanan Army.

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>>1481283

to answer your question, I found this:
>http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/13/magazine/the-swoon-of-the-swoosh.html?pagewanted=all

The Heaven's Gaters are mentioned in the opening paragraph- the mass suicide happened a year before the articles publication date.
There was a drop in profits and stock values, but it wasn't related to HG, really.

>Just a year ago, on Nike's 25th birthday, coming off the best financial 12 months in the company's history, there was no hint of a future without the swoosh. Its fate, the company said, was linked to the march of sports into every corner of the planet. ''The 'swooshification of the world' should more appropriately be deemed the Sportsification of the world,'' Nike officials wrote in the company's annual report for 1997. ''We will mature in tandem with the inexorable penetration of sports into the global psyche.''

>Brave words. But, as it turns out, the swoosh and sports do not always move in tandem. Profits at Nike, the world's leading athletic-shoe-and-apparel maker, plunged 49 percent this fiscal year, despite record sales of $9.6 billion. (More and more Nikes are being sold by discounters, lowering the profit margin.) The stock price has dropped more than 50 percent this year from highs of a year before. Two months ago, Nike reported its first quarterly loss in 13 years, prompting the largest layoffs in company history and a teary apology from Knight.


see also:

http://solecollector.com/news/2015/03/nike-decade-heavens-gate-sneakers
>Remembering the Nike Sneaker That Took One Cult to Heaven
>A morbid moment in sneaker history.

>>1492621
Sounds like a super hardcore BDSM club.

>>1471836
It was both.