How much was national socialism influenced by Germanic paganism?

>>1469819
22%

Himmler, Bormann and Hess were pagans, but most nazis were not. Hitler himself didn't care for paganism at all and was a lapsed Catholic at worst.

Volkish movement, ariosophy and the Thule Society were interested in occultism far more than any pagan reconstructionism.

>>1469819

0.1%, nazis celebrated pagan festivals at special times of the year like the equinox, but I'm pretty sure germans did that before the nazis too, because they never stopped observing these festivals after converting to Christianity.

>>1469819
They liked the iconography but didn't really took it seriously (especially not Hitler who actually made fun of Himmler because of his obsession with the Germanic past), with the exception of some branches of the SS perhaps.

>>1469819

It was a Christian movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqs09Xjj4q0

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>>1469968
nah

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>>1470117
yah

>WE WUZ NAWDICS AN SHEEEUT

The "nazis were all occultists / pagans" is a literal meme spawned by weirdo mysticists like Savitri Devi and Hollywood exploitation entertainment. VAST majority of nazis were Christians, including the upper echelon.

>>1470172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvp8wXPYYo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurgen_Stroop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus#Jesuits_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust
>The Nazi regime considered the Jesuits one of their most dangerous enemies. According to John Pollard, the Jesuit's "ethos represented the most intransigent opposition to the philosophy of Nazism." A Jesuit college in the city of Innsbruck served as a center for anti-Nazi resistance and was closed down by the Nazis in 1938.[73] Jesuits were a target for Gestapo prosecution and many Jesuit priests were deported to concentration camps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
>Written in German, not the usual Latin, it was smuggled into Germany for fear of censorship and was read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches on one of the Church's busiest Sundays, Palm Sunday
>It condemned breaches of the Reichskonkordat agreement signed between the German Reich and the Holy See in 1933
>It criticised essentially those parts of Nazism that contradicted Catholicism, and condemned pantheistic confusion, neopaganism, "the so-called myth of race and blood", and statolatry i.e idolatry of the State
>It contained a vigorous defence of the Old Testament out of belief that it prepared the way for the New[4] and, in the opinion of some, contained a veiled attack on Adolf Hitler
>Thus the encyclical was primarily concerned to confront the Nazis anti-Catholic propaganda:
>to defend the Church in the face of totalitarian dictatorship
>Pacelli wrote to Cardinal Faulhaber on April 2, 1937 explaining that the encyclical was theologically and pastorally necessary 》o preserve the true faith in Germany.・
>The encyclical also defended baptized Jews, considered still Jews by the Nazis because of racial theories that the Church could not accept

>>1470191
>Nazi response

>The (censored) German newspapers made no mention of the encyclical.
>The Gestapo visited the offices of every German diocese the next day and seized all the copies they could find.[18]
>Every publishing company that had printed it was closed and sealed,
>diocesan newspapers were proscribed,
>and limits imposed on the paper available for Church purposes.[19][20]
>Frank J. Coppa asserts that the encyclical was viewed by the Nazis as "a call to battle against the Reich" and that Hitler was furious and "vowed revenge against the Church".[15]
>Thomas Bokenkotter writes that "the Nazis were infuriated, and in retaliation closed and sealed all the presses that had printed it and took numerous vindictive measures against the Church, including staging a long series of immorality trials of the Catholic clergy."[6][21]
>According to John Vidmar, Nazi reprisals against the Church in Germany followed thereafter, including "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity".[22] One hundred and seventy Franciscans were arrested in Koblenz and tried for “corrupting youth” in a secret trial, with numerous allegations of priestly debauchery appearing in the Nazi-controlled press, while a film produced for the Hitler Youth showed men dressed as priests dancing in a brothel.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#National_Socialist_attitudes_towards_Christianity
> the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion", but that given the prominence of Christianity in Germany, this was necessarily a long term goal.[54]

>>1470193
>Bullock wrote that Hitler had some regard for the organisational power of Catholicism,
>but utter contempt for its central teachings,
>which he said, if taken to their conclusion, "would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure".[52]
>Many Nazis were anti-clerical in both private and public life.[127]
>The Nazi party had decidedly pagan elements.[128]
>One position is that the Church and fascism could never have a lasting connection because both are a "holistic Weltanschauung" claiming the whole of the person.[126]
>Adolf Hitler himself has been described as a "spiritualist" by Laqueur; but by Bullock as a "rationalist" and "materialist" with no appreciation of the spiritual side of humanity;[129]
>and a simple "atheist" by Blainey.[130]
>His Fascist comrade Benito Mussolini was an atheist.
>Both were anticlerical, but understood that it would be rash to begin their Kulturkampfs against Catholicism prematurely.
>Such a clash, possibly inevitable in the future, was put off while they dealt with other enemies.[131]

>>1470194
>In the struggle for total control over German minds and bodies, the SS developed an anti-clerical agenda.[9] No chaplains were allowed in its units (although they were allowed in the regular army). Himmler established a special unit in the Sicherheitsdienst(SD) to identify and eliminate Catholic influences. The SS decided the German Catholic Church was a serious threat to its hegemony and while it was too strong to be abolished it had to be stripped of its influence, for example by closing its youth clubs and publications.[10]
>Himmler used the Jesuits as the model for the SS, since he found they had the core element absolute obedience and the cult of the organisation.[11] Hitler is also said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[11] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart. Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and to this purpose he deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition"[12] from history. In a 1936 memorandum, Himmler set forth a list of approved holidays based on pagan and political precedents meant to wean SS members from their reliance on Christian festivities. However, these attempts were not entirely successful. Historian Hohne observes that the "neo-pagan customs" Himmler introduced into the SS "...remained primarily a paper exercise".[13]

>>1470195
>b-b-but muh mein kemph

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