"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle

>"Christ is your friend, lower class citizen ;^)"

That rich people can't go to heaven.

Despite the sophistry Christian apologists will engage in to justify being wealthy it's pretty clear.

He's not talking about a sewing needle to start.

wtf i hate jesus now

>>1458404
It was the door into a city wasn't?

>>1458406
No this is a stupid meme concocted by butthurt rich people.

There was no such gate into Jerusalem.

>>1458380
Hyperbole, an exaggeration.

Also, kamelos in Greek is camel, and kamilos is rope/cable.

SO it is easier for a rope to get through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven.

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich person to go to Heaven.

Rich person meaning, worldly, go to Heaven as in, spiritual pursuit.

>>1458380
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

>not selling all your shit to go on an adventure with jesus and his entourage
>being this much of a materialistic baka

what is he going to do before he dies? cry "waa waa boo hoo, what about all the furniture i bought?" the only thing that should be on his mind is god. this is why buddha said attachment is bad.

>>1458380
You have to become like thin air in order for you to enter the kingdom of God. Rich men usually are too full of themselves, hence unwilling to be reduced into thin air.

>>1458443
Buddha said that attachment is bad because all things are impermanent. Being attached to something that will disappear causes suffering.

>>1458419
Does it mean that a man who puts money on a pedestal (addicted to making money) will struggle immensely to get into heaven?

Industrial processes were already precise enough by AD 30 to create an eye in a needle?

Huh...really makes you think.

>>1458458
"You can't serve God and money", so the pursuit of money and the materials that come with a lot of money is vanity. Money, and the objects of money, are all bound to pass away.

It is one thing to have cultivated money for a good cause. You need money to have some general necessities. Money (somehow) is the only thing that will cure disease, so it would then be put to use. Money buys gifts which make others happy.

>Want to have a large income so you can provide for your family and ensure them a great, promising future?

>Looks like your going to hell, friendo :') (fuck rich people btw)

>>1458471
If you believe in the afterlife than a rich promising future in this life really doesn't matter all that much.

>>1458452
jesus was saying the same thing desu. why cling to material possessions? you can't take them to heaven when you die. they are just distractions and causes of suffering, which is evident when the man walked away sad.

>>1458443
>literally refusing to become Jesus's nakama
What was he thinking?

>>1458471
You can be a man with a family and plenty of money. There is not anything wrong with this. Christ doesn't raid the rich man's house and condemn him for working hard and loving his family. The man cultivates the necessary amounts of resources that he needs to.

>>1458472
Ii you believe in the afterlife then your life as a whole doesn't matter much at all.

It was just a metaphor!

>>1458472
>Hey guys, heaven exists, so living a short, wretched, horrible existence is completely justified :')

kill yourself

>>1458471
This is exactly why charity exists

>>1458496
If heaven is real then yes, your greentext is unironically true.

If there really is an unimaginably wonderful afterlife awaiting you then a horrible short life is totally worth it.

>>1458481
>muh family

That's such a fucking slippery slope.

Eating simple foods, wearing simple clothes, and living in a hippie commune with that cool Jesus dude is the only thing your family needs.

>>1458496
>80 years of suffering
>forever in paradise
sounds justified to me you tard

>>1458584
try 40 or something.

>>1458584
What a pity then that the paradise in question is fictional.

>>1458581
There is nothing wrong with taking what you need. Excess is no good.

>>1458468
Its literally a hole at the wend of a pointy metal stick.

I think the Hebrews had 'hole on stick' technology.

>>1458614
>There is nothing wrong with taking what you need. Excess is no good.

What you need is to wear rags and eat turnips. What you don't need is pork, or your own house.

Stop money lending in the temple.

>>1458619
So do you wear rags and eat turnips while you post on the internet or is that not a part of your religion

>>1458627
I don't claim to be a christian.

>>1458481
>The bread which you hold back belongs to the hungry; the coat, which you guard in your locked storage-chests, belongs to the naked; the footwear mouldering in your closet belongs to those without shoes. The silver that you keep hidden in a safe place belongs to the one in need. Thus, however many are those whom you could have provided for, so many are those whom you wrong.
-Saint Basil the Great

>>1458679
Fucking commie scum, who believes this bullshit?

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>>1458468

>>1458688
what's wrong with giving away things you don't or hardly use? it's really sad how selfish some people are.

the bible's author really hates people with a lot of wealth

the bible's author was the original hater of the bourgeoisie

>>1458688
Christians.

>>1458380
That people who "serve two masters" (i.e., both God and worldly pursuits) will find it impossible to enter heaven. God needs to be the primary and pre-eminent pursuit in your life, otherwise it's damnation.

>>1458714
No Christians I know follow this.

it means fuck rich ppl, for they are dirty thiefs
should be executed one by one

>>1459246
thats because you are not a christian but a dirty plebbit amerifat who will go to hell

Jesus was a goddamn commie that's what it means

>>1458679
Not saying that giving it to charity is the best solution, but expensive and wasteful pursuits are pretty stupid desu. Wealth and security is one thing, but extravagance is another entirely.

>>1458468
Anatoly Fomenko pls leave /his/

>>1458679
>unbox unused shoes
>rubbers falls apart
Thanks planned obsolescence

>>1459246
Why do you think monks and priests exist?

They are the model of perfect Christians, that all Christians should emulate.

Worldly possessions are temporary. A family counts as a worldly possession. You should care about their souls, not your dynasty, your legacy, and the material wealth involved in it.

>>1460548
That's kind of creepy, being obsessed with some fake idea than caring about the real people who love you.

Literally the next verse is

>But with God all things are possible.

>>1460560
because clergy have so many kids

>>1458380
Guys. Please.

If you've got cash to spend and you're all about them hookers and blow, it's gonna be really hard to focus on God. If you've got TV, it's gonna be really hard to spend all your time praying/reading the bible. If you've got the internet, it's gonna be hard to not come to 4chan and get filthy. Simple stuff. A good example is that we're rich compared to most of the world (1st vs 3rd) and we're so spiritually impoverished, simply due to being entertained by stuff in front of us, rather than searching for something more.

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>>1458481
>You can be a man with a family and plenty of money

No in Christianity.

"If you want to be my disciple, you must hate everyone else by comparison--your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple."
-Luke 14:26

Oh, wait: it's a "metaphor", surely, just like every other troublesome quote in the Bible is, despite Jesus laying it plain and simple.

>>1458679
Meanwhile Judas was apparently in the wrong for arguing that they should have sold that expensive perfume to feed the poor rather than use it on Jesus.

>>1460864
Marriage is another form of the ascetic life.

Getting pretty desperate for /rel/ now.

>>1460840
Why would you want to spend all your life and energies worshiping God?

If a pack of thugs decide one day to rape your ass, God isn't going to come down and smite them just because you were devout. He'll force hardships on your life and expect you to thank Him for it.

Not to mention the bullshit that God can't be judged by humans. Especially when God personally intervenes in detestable ways. The most blatant example being when God punishes David's sin by aborting Bathsheba's child. If any human punished adultery by gut punching the pregnant adulteress, they'd look like a fucking monster. Though for Christians it's righteous justice.

>>1460864
Notice how he says "in comparison." Jesus is talking about priorities, if you love any of those things more than you love God then you cannot be a Christian.

>>1458679
The needy in this scenario is my future self

Islam says one should give to the poor too.

>>1460972
>Ugh this is just bullshit! When dad drives the car it's no big deal but when I do it everyone freaks out! Gah! I'm 13 years old already and there is literally no difference between me and dad! If life were actually fair the rules would be the same for everyone!

>>1460864
You can be a Christian with a big family and rich.

If you become a disciple you throw everything away and follow the teachings, but you guys take out all the common sense out of the quotes and make it sound like Christ wants you to jump off a cliff and burn your money

Suppose someone has a bug family and plenty of money and then becomes Christian. They use the common sense they have and apply the teachings rather than over literal-ize every word like 4chan does

>>1461326
>You can be a modern day "Christian" with a big family and rich.
Fixed that for you.

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>>1461331
Nicodemus was a wealthy Pharisee who followed Christ.

>>1461331
Why do non-Christians care so much about being right about their own misinterpretations of the Bible?

Money is important, it is a cultivated resource, Christ isn't stupid, He understands certain circumstance calls for money. He understands that most people have to go to work in order to practically survive.

It is just that simple. There is a big difference between being rich and sharing your resources and another thing to be rich and indulge in your resources.

Just like the whole "hate your family and your own life" He isn't saying "be an emo kid and say woe is me ima so sad" rather He says cut out the vices that run in yourself and in your family and follow Christ instead.

If you want to follow God, be prepared to leave money and residual family habits behind

>>1461296
>God is allowed to do things he tells us is evil and still be called 100% good

>>1461348
Also didn't Christ imply that the young rich man was living a good life in God's eyes by keeping the commandments, but to be perfect he had to give up his possessions?

That seems to show that you can be rich and not be damned.

>>1460864
>you must hate everyone else by comparison

>muh I love my mummy more than god waahhh!

>>1458380
jesus is so kawaii

>>1461575
>mom
Cooks my tendies and loves me despite still being a bagger at 25.
>God
Can't masturbate without suffering eternally in Hell.

>>1458484
>Ii you believe in the afterlife then your life as a whole doesn't matter much at all.

Now you're catching on.

>>1461348
>Money is important

No it isn't. Only God is important. If you think anything else is, your faith is insincere.

>>1458468
>"They could make holes before the Industrial revolution?!?! Golly!"

>>1461556
>JEEZE WHY THE FUCCCCCKKKKK IS DAD ALLOWED TO STAY UP PAST BED TIME!!!!! THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>1458380
That it's really easy to convert poor people, and then to outnumber everyone else.

>>1458385
>That rich people can't go to heaven.
>Despite the sophistry Christian apologists will engage in to justify being wealthy it's pretty clear.

You don't actually believe that, right?

>>1462322

You don't actually think you're not shitposting, right?

>>1462375
>rich men can't get into heaven
>not shitposting

It's like you want to be taken seriously or something.

>>1462392

Are you calling Jesus a shitposter? Because if so I agree.

>>1462407
Kek. You can't even understand the point.

>>1461726
Money is practically important.

Obviously God is more important

>>1462556
>more important

If you really believed, it wouldn't just be the most important thing, it would be the only important thing. That is what Jesus meant. Accumulating wealth just proves insincerity of faith.

>>1462741
Again Christ isn't ignorant to individual situations.

God is obviously more important, money is a cultivated resource.

If God wanted you to be poor, why would He then say "go give your money to people who won't pay it back" When you don't have any.

I trust in God's faith and common sense over someone's interpretation on the internet. You need money to go places and do stuff, it's that simple and God directs people to do certain things and jobs because He understands the importance of His plan

>>1462803
>God's common sense
Economic exchanges are an intrinsic part of society and your religion is crudely stapled on top.
Same reason the Pope lives in a castle and every general claims God is on his side.
Your god is actually your conscience telling you what to feel guilty about. Nothing weird or extraordinary about it.
The fact you have to rationalize away these things shows how jumbled you cultists are about this whole "bible" meme. I've seen people wasting their entire lives going nowhere trying to overcome this huge stumbling block.

>>1462831
Who said God is on the Pope's side? Who's and who said God is saying feel guilty about having money?

Just you.

It is one thing to read and understand, and another thing to over literal-ize a bible quote to try and illusion others

Christ says "It is easier for a rope to get through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into heaven"

It is a simple reminder that some people have more resources that they need. If you have excess, let go, if you have just enough, than your lot is based on what God calls for you.

If someone is a trillionare, and gives out loads of money everyday to people who actually need it, they aren't condemned.

If a priestly person indulges in expenses than you can assume what you feel.

It means "if you're rich, you're welcome to be a greedy self-centered hedonistic shitbag and the only sin is being poor"

>>1461726
>No it isn't. Only God is important. If you think anything else is, your faith is insincere.

If this is true then why are you required to give away your wealth?

If all that matters is how the person accepts god then why does he have to give away his material wealth? It doesn't matter, only god does.

>>1458473
>jesus was saying the same thing desu
No, Jesus was saying that the world is coming to an end. Can you retarded christfags just fuck off with your inane reinterpretations?

>>1462860
There are obvious conditions for giving up these things.

One Christian can say to another "you aren't a true Christian until you give up EVERYTHING" but they are telling this to them in the comfort in front of their own computer

Certain things in context and in reason make sense. Wealthy Christians are asked frequently, do you choose God or money?

They can still choose God, and God's grace may extend to them that they still be prosperous for all their devotion. Humans don't judge these situations but God does

Aren't material things God's creation though :^)

>>1462860
>If this is true then why are you required to give away your wealth?

Because if you don't, then you care about it. And if you care about it, then your faith is insincere. It's not complicated. You would have to be actively trying to misunderstand (which is of course what a rationalization is).

>>1462803
>Again Christ isn't ignorant to individual situations.

God's mercy is available to anyone, and that's the only "situation" that matters.

>If God wanted you to be poor, why would He then say "go give your money to people who won't pay it back" When you don't have any.

Literally what? You're asking why you should give away money if you're supposed to be poor? Do you know what poor means?

>I trust in God's faith and common sense over someone's interpretation on the internet. You need money to go places and do stuff, it's that simple and God directs people to do certain things and jobs because He understands the importance of His plan

Well first of all, you're disingenuously pretending the only options are "wealthy" and "literally penniless." But really, what does god ask of you that requires luxury?

>>1462925
People seem to over-literalize to convince people of their opinion to illusion them.

So someone saying "you aren't a Christian because you haven't given up all your possessions" is saying it over a computer forum, which is a wealth if you want to be technical.

If people had no wealth, people would have nothing to give.

There is a giant grey area of wealthy and penniless. The luxury of God is in Himself, so that is more important than getting rid of everything because someone on the internet says so, even though they are teachings something contrary to what they are doing

>>1462962
>So someone saying "you aren't a Christian because you haven't given up all your possessions" is saying it over a computer forum, which is a wealth if you want to be technical.
Who said the people pointing out christards' hypocrisy are supposed to follow christard rules, christard?

>>1462962
>If people had no wealth, people would have nothing to give.

Right, and once you give it away, you won't have wealth any more. Do you have a learning disability?

>>1458380
He meant that it's difficult for the rich to get into heaven because excessive wealth often accompanies excessive sin. That was his point.

>>1462962
>So someone saying "you aren't a Christian because you haven't given up all your possessions" is saying it over a computer forum, which is a wealth if you want to be technical.

1) Calling him a hypocrite doesn't make you not one.
2) You certainly don't have to be wealthy to go on the Internet.
3) Helping you see through your own bullshit is doing God's work.
4) Technically he never even said he was a Christian, anyway.

>>1462967
They don't really have authority to teach something they don't believe in.

All it is, is an attempt to trash and mock Christianity, they are not trying to teach anything positive, nor are they honestly approaching Christianity itself, so they aren't people you need to listen to.

>>1462975
Then someone receives wealth given away. It is for equality not for extinction of wealth.

>>1462991

>1) Calling him a hypocrite doesn't make you not one.
Agreed
>2) You certainly don't have to be wealthy to go on the Internet.
The computer itself is wealth and so is the internet.
>3) Helping you see through your own bullshit is doing God's work.
It isn't helping me or hurting me, I think they are just trying to pick a fight rather than actual discussion. Wealth is not more important than God, but wealth is important because money is a practical resource
>4) Technically he never even said he was a Christian, anyway.
They are trying to be right about a subject they have no interest in just to make Christians feel bad? That is not God's work.

>>1462995
>They don't really have authority to teach something they don't believe in.
Really? On what grounds?

>All it is, is an attempt to trash and mock Christianity
Sure, but it's also an HONEST endeavor as opposed to your DISHONEST evasion.

>>1463005
They don't have authority to teach Christianity because they aren't Christians and the only motive they have for "teaching" Christianity is to illusion Christians

Where is the evasion? I don't see one? Still here.

>>1463013
>They don't have authority to teach Christianity because they aren't Christians and the only motive they have for "teaching" Christianity is to illusion Christians
Not being christian does not imply not being knowledgeable about christianity. Are you really fucktarded enough to believe that someone who doesn't believe in, say, "family values" has no grounds for calling out hypocrites who preach them and then get caught with gay hookers?

>Where is the evasion?
The evasion is your literal ad hominem argumentation.

>>1463020
>Not being christian does not imply not being knowledgeable about christianity. Are you really fucktarded enough to believe that someone who doesn't believe in, say, "family values" has no grounds for calling out hypocrites who preach them and then get caught with gay hookers?

The true object of knowledge of Christianity is God.

Family values and gay hookers are a different subject and have no relevance here.

>The evasion is your literal ad hominem argumentation.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but insulting people is not the best way to discuss your opinions on the internet.

>>1463028
>The true object of knowledge of Christianity is God.
Please tell me God talks in your ear. Please.

>Family values and gay hookers are a different subject and have no relevance here.
Both your god and family values are spooks, so they're perfectly applicable.

>I'm not sure what you mean by this, but insulting people is not the best way to discuss your opinions on the internet.
Apparently you're even too stupid to understand what an ad hominem is. I'll walk you through this.

When you address the point someone is making not by attacking the argument, but attacking the character of the person - i.e. "you don't believe this so your point is moot" - you are engaged in ad hominem argumentation and are a dishonest piece of shit.

Which is to be expected of any christian.

>>1463035
>"Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see." Hebrews 11:1

>>1463041
I have faith in several malignant brain tumors for ya.

>>1463044
> Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

>>1463054
>>1463041
>confronted in an argument
>resort to self-hypnosis defense mechanism

>>1462047
christards are really shitting at arguing things.

>>1463063
If you want to respond in insults without a steady mind, why should I not be able to respond with bible quotes without any mind?

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>>1458380
Decadence attaches you to this world and keeps you distracted from the Great Work.

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>>1458380
He meant get fucking loaded, scrub.

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>>1463067
>literally admits to being mindless
This is why I keep coming back.

>>1463076
Sometimes a lot less mind will only do you more good

>>1458380
Because Jesus taught a lifestyle of basically total reliance on God for everything.

> "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear...Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?"

People who rely on their own wealth to solve their problems can't do this. That's one of the reasons that He said "blessed are the poor", because they often don't have a choice but to depend on God for everything.

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>>1463035
Actually, you are the ad hominem my colleague because you are consistently lowering the level of dialogue.

If you read the Scriptures, you know what Rabbi Christ is speaking about and alluding to. He expects his followers to be Hebrews and keep the Law and help their community (other Hebrews) and to be kind to widows and orphans while eluding the vipers/wolves (powers and principalities of evil) - Ted Haggart the Sodomite is not a true follower of Christ and his actions make that clear.

We can expect him to be a faggot because he is a pork chop preacher who knows not the revelation of the Word

>>1463167
>Actually, you are the ad hominem my colleague because you are consistently lowering the level of dialogue.
>i am the ad hominem

Mere insults are not ad hominem, christard. Ad hominem is using character attacks as ARGUMENTATION, not describing you after pointing out the bullshit points.

The rest of your post is completely irrelevant to the point made. Under your logic, I don't have the "authoritah" to call Haggart a hypocrite. I reject this nonsense reasoning.

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>>1460864
>doesn't understand a teaching
>therefore it must be troublesome

It's not troublesome. It's just you thought you knew something that you didn't know. This happens all the time though, everyone has issues with comprehension like this. It gets annoying only because everything from arguments to wars are started over this inability to understand context. It's really not easy for people. With that said..

To be a perfect disciple, you have to be devoted to the study.

But in the event you do marry--
Mathew 19:6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

It's like OP's quote. The young rich man asked how does he gain eternal life. Jesus told him to keep the commandments. The young rich man told him he's already done that. What else does he lack. Jesus said if he wants to be perfect, sell all his possessions and follow him. The young rich man got sad because he was rich.

The young rich man couldn't let go entirely and Jesus pointed out how the rich and the people fully invested in the world will have a harder time detaching.

So you CAN have money, just be comfortable with the idea of losing all of it at any given moment. Don't horde it. Share it when you can by way of food and clothing for people who don't have food or clothing.

>>1462314
>That it's really easy to convert poor people, and then to outnumber everyone else.

kek, this

>>1458443
"give away your possessions and give to the poor"
Jesus was a communist kek

>>1458380
Young saint men was pretty good.

>>1460864
>by comparison

Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit, is it?

>>1463020
>Not being christian does not imply not being knowledgeable about christianity.
It might as well, considering just about every "knowledgable" atheist who boasts about how he knows more than Christians only has ever seen a few lines on the internet

>>1463189
So you admit that your argumentation is even LOWER than ad hominem?

>>1458380
How can you be sure that Jesus even said that, and it's not just from the imagination of a writer.

>>1458452
How can I trust and still use what Buddha preached if all things are impermanent and uncertain such as his ideas and his life - it's all irrelevant.

>>1464260
>It might as well, considering just about every "knowledgable" atheist who boasts about how he knows more than Christians only has ever seen a few lines on the internet
Whatever makes you feel happy about yourself, hypocrite.

>>1458679
Isn't it ironic that most Christians in America are conservatives who will rabidly defend the concept of corporations being people, a cut throat free-market economy, and lowering taxes on the ultra wealthy?

Really makes you ponder.

>>1464269
>So you admit that your argumentation is even LOWER than ad hominem?

Apparently, you still don't understand what an ad hominem is, even after I walked you through it. You're free to tell me where my argumentation is lower than literal logical fallacies.

>>1464283
>Apparently, you still don't understand what an ad hominem is
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

> even after I walked you through it
Not the same person, lad

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>ITT anons learn that christianity is really kind of radical and the message wasn't "keep doing what you were doing"

>>1464286
>Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
Well, again, if you wanna prove that it isn't, you're free to do so. I still haven't seen anything that would indicate you even understand what an ad hominem argument is, let alone what would be below it, and how. A question you still haven't answered.

>Not the same person, lad
The argument stays the same regardless of who reads it, christard.

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>>1464129
Well I'll watch it then.

>>1458481
>You can be a man with a family and plenty of money.

So long as you plan on giving most of that money away to the poor.

>>1462866
>Jesus was saying that the world is coming to an end.
that is the most retarded interpretation of that passage i have ever read. can you even explain how you came to that conclusion without jumping through loops? btw the world still exists like 2000 (or however many years) since he said that. i know you're just shitposting but please at least attempt to be comical.

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>be rich
>be Christian
>live a materialistic life, acquire wealth
>enjoy life and wealth
>get old
>start to feel infirm
>doctor tells you you have only 1-2 years tops to live
>sell all your shit, repent and live the remaining few years of your life humbly
>its not like you got to enjoy much of your wealth at that point
>die and get to heaven

Why the hell would I give away my wealth at a young age when I God can forgive me at any point if I repent and believe in Him?

>inb4 you can die anytime

The chance for this is very small these days, unless you are in some major accident or get murdered, you will probably have a good idea if you will die soon or not. Even if you get some serious illnes at a younger age, you will probably still have months to live and do all that.

>>1465166
>trying to pull one over on God.

Eh... good luck with that...

>>1465180
....dots... eh ... yeah...... mm....

>>1464682
Well I watched it, pretty boring.

>>1465180
What is he going to do exactly? It's written nowhere that from the moment you become a Christian you can't sin at all, or that you have to live x percent of your life without sin. Only that if you believe in God and repent, your sins will be forgiven, and you can do it anytime. Or is everyone who becomes really religous at an old age, or after an illness is actually going to hell, because they didn't do it early enough?

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>>1465166
that's how most people are going to do it. the real sad fucks are those who remain selfish when they get old or become terminally ill.

>>1458627
>trying to troll that shit poster

u failed senpai

>>1465180
Worked for Constantine

>Literally waits till the last moment to convert

>>1458380
Why does no one ever read the whole passage


>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
>25 When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
>26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

>>1467901
Constantine was just a LARPer though
>Look at me, I have visions of Apollo talking to me and telling me I'm the greatest dude ever and I'll conquer everything!
>Huh, this Christianity stuff looks fun, maybe I can join in a bit. I know... now I have the same visions, but from Yahweh!

>>1465096
>that is the most retarded interpretation of that passage i have ever read.
It's the most straightforward and involving the least amount of reinterpretative bullshit you christfags love so much. The bible contains NOTHING on inner peace and material possessions causing suffering, however Jesus DID promise that the world would come to an end within a generation after him. That's why he'd tell people to follow him into the kingdom of heaven or some shit.

>btw the world still exists like 2000 (or however many years) since he said that.
Yes, a flailing apocalyptic preacher was wrong about the world coming to an end. What the fuck would you expect?

>>1464272
The Buddha was also aware of this problem. He encouraged people to only use his teachings as a tool (a "raft" is the recurring metaphor, to be abandoned when no longer needed). The Buddha said to focus on direct insight rather than only knowing the doctrine:

"Of course you are uncertain, Kalamas. Of course you are in doubt. When there are reasons for doubt, uncertainty is born. So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering' — then you should abandon them."

-- Anguttara Nikaya, Book of Threes, Sutta 65

>>1468240
jesus wasn't telling him to get rid of his stuff because the world was going to end, because the world wasn't going to end until long after they both died.

>>1468371
>until long after
[citation needed]

No, he was telling them that, that's exactly what "take no thought for the morrow" implies. There's a reason the earliest christfags were surprised that the world still hasn't ended.

>>1468415
>[citation needed]
it's july 27, 2016, what more proof do you need? also if you're going to quote a passage, you should quote the whole thing:

>34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

literally saying don't worry about tomorrow, there are enough things to worry about today. only if you are reaching, as you imply i have done, can you say that passage is about the world ending.

Jesus doesn't talk about camels he's white.

>>1468436
>it's july 27, 2016, what more proof do you need? also if you're going to quote a passage, you should quote the whole thing:
>W-w-well the world hasn't ended, so OBVIOUSLY he couldn't have been talking about it ending within the lifetimes of his followers
Nice ad-hoc reasoning you got there. Daily reminder that every generation of christards since the religion's inception thought he's coming back within their lifetimes.

>For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
>there are some of those who are standing here

> can you say that passage is about the world ending
The passage is not about the world ending, however in the context of other passages being about the world ending, yeah, that's why he'd say fuck your worldly possessions.

There are lots of apocalyptic ramblings in the Bahble, and there are ZERO Buddha - like teachings. Again, all your inane reinterpretations of Jesus being some eastern mystic are pathetic attempts to read into things that aren't there. If you want to tell me I'm wrong, go ahead, give me one fucking substantiation for this nonsense.

>>1458380
Riches are material attachments. The kingdom of god is the abandonment of the self and acceptance of our connection with all life. A camel going through the eye of a needle is constrained by its physical size just as a rich person trying to enter the kingdom of god is constrained by their attachments to the physical world.

>>1464047
if he was, it would be more like "give your possessions to me and ill totally distribute them evenly amongst you, i promise.."

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>>1463189
Following logic, Haggart does not have the authority to call himself a disciple of Christ and you're pointing out he's a faggot doesn't point to flaws with the Bible but with his own "interpretation" and whatever garbage he panders to goyim.

Your hostile tone is becoming of a child and your tendency to attach tard as a suffix is really cute.

I know the nuances of spiritual conflict and the duplicity of the religious intuitions of the world and quite frankly, I think you're afraid of the implications that your life and the life of our ancestors and descendants is more than game of roulette for the top monkey to jizz in a tight pussy and continue the game.

Of course making love to beautiful women is what men are created for but without the ability to control your viriya and impulse you will become a slave.
This is a foundational tenet of all true knowledge of the Spirit.

Stick around, you'll learn something.
Please elevate your discourse in forthcoming threads.

>>1458380
Bear in mind the original saying would have been in Aramaic.

Iirc in Hebrew the word for a camel ('Gimel') sounds the same as the word for thread. I'd bet in Aramaic, a related language, it was fairly similar.

My guess is that Jesus was either making a pun of some sort or was mistranslated, or both. There's a few examples of some of his turns of phrase getting slightly lost in the Greek iirc (or, rather, are thought to have been lost)

>>1458419
>Also, kamelos in Greek is camel, and kamilos is rope/cable.

Jesus spoke Aramaic though

>>1458380
He meant that rich people are usually pieces of shit. And it's true.

>>1462866
Fuck. How can you be so thick?

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To enter the kingdom of God, you must abstain from any worldy pleasure. The rich man oftentimes falls victims to all the pleasures surrounding him merely by nature of being surrounded by them.