Is the masculinity and femininity a spook?

>>1456378

no, but it is exploited to the degree that it is one

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>>1456378
Let us trigger.

I think it is my property. But not fully, there are a few psychological traits that are hardwired.

>>1456390
Ha the first one that got triggered. Nice triggering my properties.

>>1456378
Biology. Ever heard of it?

>>1456457
Biology doesn't explain the concept of masculinity or femininity.

>>1456458
Yeah it does

>>1456461
Except like I said (I am not >>1456458 by the way) only a little of psychology is hardwired thus biology.

What the fuck is this shit?

Yes there is a thing called a penis and a different thing called a vagina.

You got some /his/ to discuss or is this just some fucking hipster gender bullshit?

>>1456482

Read the OP again.

>>1456482
I dunno mate but you sound a bit triggered. Maybe go back to your safe space and let the adults discuss this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Health_effects

>>1456482
Wrong.

Read the first post again. This isn't about gender. This isn't about biology.

>>1456514
masculine = having qualities typically associated with men and boys
feminine = having qualities typically associated with women and girls

>>1456507
The only psychological stuff here is aggression.

>>1456516
And?

>>1456520
I thought we were talking of masculinity and femininity as in behaviour. But OP should answer that.

>>1456515
>>1456514
You retards do realise that both of you are right in the sense its both biological and cultural. Some aspects of masculinity and feminity is biological but some are purely made up by culture.

>>1456529
True, but that means it's not entirely a spook. And if it was a spook, then why would trans people exist?

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Pretty much, the virtues of men and women are identical, we only diverge when it comes to vice. Masculinity and Femininity are umbrella terms for the two main paths of disgrace.

>>1456532
Women and men demonstrably value different things and/or show their value in different ways.

>>1456461
Why do girls like ponies? Explain that, you biology professor

>>1456546
Because children like animals

>>1456549
Why?

>>1456552
Because they're unfamiliar and yet familiar enough to spark curiosity

>>1456546
There does seem to be a tendency for girls to play with human-like objects and boys to play with things. But that doesn't explain the ponies stuff right?

>>1456546
Nowadays, it's grown ass men who loves them

>>1456378
No, it most certainly isn't.
Not doing stuff because they aren't fitting the expectations of society towards your gender IS a spook tho. Still, it doesn't invalidate the concept of gender.

>>1456573
If you're forced to act one way or the other, isn't the spook?

>>1456587
A spook is a self inflicted constriction. If you're being forced from the outside, it's no more of a spook than a gun pointed to your head would be.

Sure is in a way. How about this: all have the same feelings for same sex. Just some start specializing in it. Last even local example of proof https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/1430662/#1434323

Proof is complicated in a way about this.

>>1456615
Sorry, I don't like dick.

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Sure is in a way. How about this: all have the same feelings for same sex. Just some start specializing in it. Last even local example of proof https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/1430662/#1434323

Proof is complicated in a way about this.

>>1456615
>all have the same feelings for same sex
It's funny how fags get absolutely assblasted when someone mention most fags are bi, but then are absolutely insistent that all str8s are in fact at least bi.

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>>1456378
they are words only the definition of a word can actually be described

watch as people go
>NUH UH WORD REALLY MEANS THIS

word is a variable it is only a constant if everyone who is talking is already in agreement

>>1456632
No, its just one of these things. The same with religion, money war......

>>1456632
I no fag. I can beam you from a distance. Just look at your feeling. Could be not now but the basic thing is the same everywhere.

>>1456637
What are you even trying to say here? Most people don't have romantic feelings, nor do they feel sexual attraction for people of the same sex. Denying it is absolutely delusional.

>>1456645
Are you trying to say that even if I don't feel attracted by men now, I certainly will in the future? You're a nutjob.

Stop with the gender shit. This isn't about homosexuals or gays or straights. This isn't about romance or sex.

Get back to the topic.

Does having to act masculine and having to act feminine make it a spook? Does having to fit into a mold make you into a spook?

>>1456664
>>1456532

Guys seriously.

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>>1456546
>is masculinity and femininity a spook
As genetically predetermined phenotype? It is depends on the environmental conditions. Under the some influence of the environment XY individuals will exhibit feminine behavior.
As something REAL?, all of our categories is a spook.
There is no "real" world that we can have immediate access to. Things in themselves are perceived and understood through the senses and intellect. The objects we refer to in language are fictional entities necessarily. When we perceive a "mele", we are reducing a phenomenal event to a fictional representation of the event. We extract important and essential qualities from the event(strong, big, have dick, love guns, love cars etc. ). When we see "male" in the next time, we say, "That phenomenal event is sufficiently like a fictional representation that I have in my head. That representation is called "men". I will call this phenomenal event "men" by analogy." Your fictional representation of "male" depends your experience. Other people see the same events and adopt the same word to describe it. We understand each other despite the unique qualities of both our experiences because language works by analogy, not equivalence. When we use language we don't refer at all to the "real" world, we refer to past uses of language and the fictional objects created thereby. In plain English, the word spade refers to the concept of spade rather than the spade-in-itself or any other formulation of the real and true spade. When we want to know what a word means we look at a definition. We don't go into nature or engage in transcendental meditation to understand what words mean.

>>1456675
Categories are useful. It doesn't make them a vector of truth. They are approximations, and, in their details, they are plainly wrongs. Details matter. It is okay to use them as long as you stay conscious of that. On the other hand, believing there REALLY are men and women with a strict and essential distinction between the others is forgetting the original metaphor and confusing pragmatical functionality with metaphysical truth.

>>1456675
>called "male". I will call this phenomenal event "male" by analogy."*

>>1456650
Some time ago I saw some parts of documentary in my language. This gay person was going to try to fuck a waifu. Beforehand in saying it there could not have been a chance in this working. But when it actually happened it was not. And I don't even believe this beforehand thing was true.

>>1456675
>There is no "real" world that we can have immediate access to.
what is qualia nigga

>>1456664
>Does having to act masculine and having to act feminine make it a spook? Does having to fit into a mold make you into a spook?
Depends on why you have to act and fit in a mold. If it is to preserve yourself from the consequences of external judgement, like social isolation and bullying, then it most certainly isn't a spook. If it is because you yourself are brainwashed into thinking acting in a certain way is necessary, then it is.

>>1456378
Most of it, but the base tropes are biological instincts.

But shit like gendered colours is.

As is the concept of gender as something separate from sex. A man wearing a dress is still a man.

If you'd asked if effeminaty was a spook the others might have understood what you meant.

>>1456832
You don't really understand what a spook is, do you?
An idea isn't inherently a spook. It's the unwarranted importance you might attach to it that makes it so.

>>1456546
>Why do girls like ponies?
ha ha btw look how this is afterwards >>>/mlp/ The whole original series even stoped a long time ago. (>>1456561)

>>1456859
And people do attach an unwarranted importance to it, clearly, or we wouldn't have all these silly labels like 'other kin' and 'gender fluid', ect, and wasting time and money researching these fantasy concepts.

I could be misunderstanding something, but if I am you aren't explaining it very well.