Did Lenin order the Tsar's execution?

>>1454300
If he didn't order it, he probably condoned it.

>>1454304
/thread

>>1454300
No.

It was committed by a group of angry Red Army soldiers, commanded by Yakov Yakorvsky, independently of Lenin and likely of Sverdlov as well.

>>1454300
No,but he did condone it.He hated the Russian people,especially it's rulers and clergy.

>>1454300
History would be much better if it were't for that ugly rat faced commie manlet. Poor Nicholas and family, they were too pure for the world.

>>1454474
> Post-Catherine Romanov's
> Russians
Nick was, like, 63/64 German, and his children - 127/128.

>>1455300
>too pure

Especially their genetics :^)

>>1455300
>ending up like a big western colony
>better

>>1455300
Russia was a huge shithole at the time though, what other choices did they had?

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>>1455354
Don't try to reason with these people.

>>1455300
Good riddance. Them inbreds get no love from this Comrade. If anything, I'd shot them again. If you'd read history and see how they've come to power, you'd see that they were put there in the dark times to unite the country. But they went out being totally incapable idiots. I know you Brits, are still wanking off to your royalty. It has been proven that a peasant, given a proper education, will run circles around those inbreds. I'd take my red banner with the gold star any time over a mutated twoheaded eagle. Power to the people, live long and prosper.

>>1455593
Peasants are and always will be shit kicking retards no matter how much education you throw at them. Intelligence is heritable.

Deal with it lefty cuck

>>1455593
Spoken like an ignorant Stalinist. Your post should be preserved and studies as a textbook demonstration of why Enlightenment ideals never took hold in Russia, and are still resisted today in spite of the appalling horrors of the Famine, terrors and purges that took place from the late 20s to the 50s.

>>1455305
Culturally and nominally they were Russian.And if they're truly adhered to their German ethnicity,then they would've supported Germany and Austria in favor of Serbia.Russian leaders of relatively non-Russian descent had to subject themselves to Russification.

>Nick
Did you know him personally?
>>1455354
Russia was certainly outdated,but it certainly wasn't a blighted abyss like you've claimed it to be.

And one more thing,no modernization is worth the lives of 66 million ethnic Russians.

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>>1455593
What is most striking comparison for me was how more sophisticated guys like Lenin and Stalin was compared to Nicky II. He was a royalty, but a dirty commies was more interested in philosophy and a intellectual pursuit than him. I could easily imagine Lenin personally explaining philosophy of Hegel, or even Stalin being able to cite one of his books, but I can't picture Nicky II to do the same. He was just not that type of person and more like office worker, who doesn't really holds interest for anything deep.

>>1455593
>LARP: the post

>>1455613
Because Russia was isolated from all cultural movements that have elevated the West to that point where they could become eligible enough to successfully integrate the ideals of the Enlightenment.

> and are still resisted today in spite

They're resisted because they come with a warrant on their freedom and sovereignty.

>>1455625
He wasn't truly suited for the role of a ruler,but he didn't deserve to have his children butchered in front of his eyes.

>>1455623
The polarisation of Russian society into super rich nobility and dirt poor peasants was a time bomb. They did not have any middle class at all

>>1455623
> no modernization is worth the lives of 66 million ethnic Russians
I agree here, but it isn't like our Nicholas II doesn't have a blood of Russians on his hands. His death is kinda justified in that case.

Ordered it or not, it was necessary to make sure there weren't counter revolution from killing all of their family.

>>1455638
Wait... Why he doesn't just like moved to London or some shit like that? I am sure he understand a danger of a situation here.

>>1455300
>tsar nicholas dindu nuffin! commies are so evil!

>>1455613
> Enlightenment ideals never took hold in Russia
Catherine corresponded with Voltaire for 15 years, anon. What else do you need?

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>>1455646
>Nicholas desperately wanted to go into exile in the United Kingdom following his abdication. The British government reluctantly offered him asylum in the UK on 19 March 1917, but this was deemed politically impossible and later withdrawn in April following objections by King George V who, acting on the advice of his secretary Lord Stamfordham, was worried that Nicholas's presence in the UK might provoke an uprising like the previous year's Easter Rising in Ireland.
British Government basically signed Tsar family's death warrant.

>>1455648
I am actually more sad about Alexander II than him, terrorists was literally retarded here. They wanted more freedom, killed the ruler who was okay with this shit on the same wave as them. Why autistic anarchists need to ruin anything?

>>1455661
eternal anglo strikes again

I hate commies as much as anyone else but in the context of WWI and the Russian revolution it was just another half dozen killed. Ironic that both sides consider their murder as something special albeit for different reasons.

>>1454362
Commieboo go home.

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>>1455666

>>1455623
>And if they're truly adhered to their German ethnicity,then they would've supported Germany and Austria in favor of Serbia
Nicky's staff picks seemed like he did. I mean which Russian General actually did his job? Brusilov. The rest was bunch of worthless retards.

>>1455640
I'm aware of that,but I've also explained why that happened.

>>1455701

>Nicky's staff picks seemed like he did
Their incompetence is not his fault.

> The rest was bunch of worthless retards
More like arrogant and closed to criticism.

>>1455708
>Their incompetence is not his fault.
He was the supreme commander from some point of war and WAS aware of their retardation yet he didn't replace them.

>>1455701
> bunch of worthless retards
Contrary to other countries where most of generals were military geniuses able to end war before Christmas without any fuck ups. :^)

>>1455643
I guess there is some truth to it,I remember him giving the order to open fire on some protesters that were led by the Orthodox clergy.

>>1455713
Most,if not all of them were descendants of high ranking Boyar families,replacing them would've been treated as an insult to their family's dignity.

>>1455714
The difference is that the types of Haig seemed to learn(slowly but steadily) while the types of Foch were quietly removed from commanding positions.

Meanwhile Evert(fellow Russian-German btw.) stayed at his command regardless of the fact that the only thing he knew how to do was how to fuck up.

>>1455705
George V refused to grant him asylum in 1917 -- the British working class would have called a general strike, so hated was this man.Nicholas proudly signed off on the murder of hundreds of peaceful workers on Bloody Sunday in 1905

>>1455713
> He was the supreme commander
Wow! He should've been choose someone else for that job and blame them for any of huge fuck ups.

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>>1455623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg
>muh trillions billions
Nice western propaganda you got there. The only people that Stalin killed was kulaks and class traitors.

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>>1455729
> we killed innocent another innocent man, Joe!
> Don't worry, comrade, he was a class traitor. XD

>>1455661
Like, seriously, how can a nation be so perfidious? And I'm not talking about being evil or something meaningless like that, but an actual behaviour that seems endemic to english/british history for 500 years.

The Romanov family were being held in a train yard near Yekaterinburg. The Czechs and elements of the White Russians were close to (and did) capture Yekaterinburg. The Reds made an instant decision under extreme pressure to not let the Whites have their symbol of legitimacy. That's all there is to it.

>>1455720

>stayed at his command regardless of the fact that the only thing he knew how to do was how to fuck up

As I've said before,Nicholas wasn't suited for the role of the a ruler,even more so for the role of a supreme commander.

>fellow Russian-German

What of it,the vast majority of Russian generals were of ethnic Russian origin,or at least they've claimed as much.

>>1455732
they were not innocent

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>>1455794
The Russian royal family were good and Holy people who were perfected in Christ through their suffering and ultimate deaths at the hands of the Bolsheviks.

Another monarch may have staved off the inevitable for much longer, but we would be talking about that monarch as a brutal and infamous tyrant. That we are talking about the godly Nicholas instead suggests you can't win with some people - either the Czar needed to be oppressive or he was "weak".

Dostoevsky observed many of these things first hand. The battle between Church and State in 19th Century Russia is underestimated in its effect on Russian society in the 20th.

>>1455795
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

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>>1455300
>this is what monarcucks actually believe

>>1455300
Nicholas was an asshole. It's sad his family was killed, by it's more sad that tens of thousands of families died because of his oppression.

>>1455605
>I want to be subservient to a man who inherits a crown but YOU'RE the cuck

>>1455605
The Western middle class are almost entirely descended from peasants

Is this bait?

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I watched a film today on filmsformen called: 'Nicolas & Alexandra' (1971) and it was very moving as i felt it kept a very rounded depiction with not much bias for anyone.It was really harrowing watching the end (looked like pic related) where there all shot in a room thinking there going to be rescued/sent somewhere better.

Made me despise them for killing the children and wife, i get executing ol' Nicky and his mother though.

Thats why i could never get behind communists, they lack empathy, honour, virtue. What would killing children accomplish? they can be reeducated or something.

Also, didn't it actually go down alot worse in real life? like the daughters were raped and the little boy was sodomized with a rifle barrel before pulling the trigger? I know if that is how it happened they wouldnt show that in 70's film (well, unless there was a hardcore porno parody at the time.)

Oh and did Rasputin fuck Alexandra, like its hinted at in the film?

>>1457433
>What would killing children accomplish?
Eliminate a figurehead around which opposition to the revolution could form as potential future successor to the throne .

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>>1457467
Maybe the male heir sure but his daughters?

In the film i think they tried to subtly justify it by having the son act super edgy and emo saying stuff like "i wish i could kill them all" but

Ultimately, your in the 18th/19th Century and beyond, and if your not confident enough for your form of governance to be superior and scared the population will grow tired of communism and go back to MONARCHY, then Im afraid you just have a shit system there, comrade.

>>1457536
Daughter's can marry into other European royalty carrying with them title to the Russian throne.

>all of those /pol/fags shilling for monarchism

Tsar dindu nuffin!

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>>1457555
so what it wouldnt matter if communism was so great.

Lets face it though, if there were any legitamate royals left communist sympathisers would have had a heart attack when after the 90's, they get there long-lost monarch back.

THATS the real reason. you'd all die of the salt levels if not only your beloved USSR fell but to top it off your old monarchy had come back graciously in its hour of need.

>>1457582
also Nicholas and his mother/generals got what they deserved but the younglings and wife could have been spared.

>>1457610
The revolution was in its infancy, the Bolsheviks did whatever they thought necessary or expedient to ensure its success.

Perhaps you should drop the projecting. You seem to be imagining your discussing this with a communist sympathiser,.
This is history, that is what the Bolsheviks did.

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>>1457639

Yeah i get it, I'll concede im a tad emotional after that film. Although I'm sorry but your being a bit weird about it that's all. Like your a robotic history machine.

...Did Alexei Nikolaevich get buttfucked by a rifle though?

Also it doesn't make what they did really that necessary and...hold on to your butt..Right.

>>1457610
> after the 90's, they get there long-lost monarch back
Can you name even one precedent when ruling house returned after 70 years of exile? This shit is monarchist fantasy.

>>1457684
because MUH putin

Russia would be in a better place today if they had that constitutional monarchy thing the Brits are using.

Imagine those sweet, sweet tourism bucks.

>>1457704
Anarchist killed the only one Tzar who was okay with that idea. Good job!

>>1457704
*Russia would be like iraq

>>1457708
Anarchists ruin everything.

>>1457924
poles would have killed him anyway.....the empire was a joke since nicholas the first was the tsar

>>1455373
>faces of those girls

Oh shit :DD