Can we have nice, civilized thread where we discuss Carthage?

>"[Carthage] each day produced one hundred and forty finished shields, three hundred swords, five hundred spears, and one thousand missiles for the catapults... . Furthermore, [Carthage although surrounded by the Romans] built one hundred and twenty decked ships in two months... for old timber had been stored away in readiness, and a large number of skilled workmen, maintained at public expense."[97]

>>1449891
>one hundred and twenty decked ships in two months..
That is some impressive production.
Do we know anything about the quality and structure of those ships?

ayo i was kickin it at one a my side bitches crib and she was watchin some shit on history channel and guess what bitches? dats right turns out hannibal was a nigga. bet u din learn dat shit in school n it really makes u wonder what else whitey been hiding from us bout our history

>>1449891
Didn't have a chance against mighty rome.

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>>1449920
G shit bruh keep it real

>>1449960
all day erryday nephew

>It would be difficult to say precisely what a typical make-up of a Carthaginian army would be, but in the Punic wars, they are reported to have included Iberians, Celts (Gauls), Balearic slingers, Italians (e.g. Ligures), native Sicilian tribesmen, Numidian cavalry, Libyans and Lybophoenicians (also called Africans), Greeks, and naturally Punics from Carthage and its external settlements.

C U L T U R A L E N R I C H M E N T

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CARTHAGO DELENDA EST

>>1449939

Carthage could make more ships and weapons but Rome could keep throwing angry Romans at them

The mercenary war had some brutal characters

If you spoke out against the rebel leadership, or put forward an alternate view, they'd just shout out "stone him!" and you'd be stoned to death.

The Carthagineans sent a guy they thought (the mercenaries) respected to negotiate with them, but they ended up cutting his arms and legs off and chucking him into a ditch.

>>1449969
That's because they mostly used mercenaries

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Try not to get triggered Carthage fags,

>>1449920
Carthage was a colony settled by the Phoenicians who were from modern day libya.

Hannibal was a brown man, not an african.

>>1449885
Why did the romans go to war with carthage?

>>1451072
Phoenicians weren't from Libya

They were Levantine Semites

>>1451095
Which war?

First Punic?

>>1451096
This.

Carthage or Qart-Hadast literally means "New City"; it started out as just another phoenician colony.

>>1451104
Yes,
is there a definite cause? some reason the wars started
or was it just a scramble for territory / control over the Mediterranean

>>1451096
Is that why Nazis modelled themselves after Romans?

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Hinnibal

>>1451117

because both wanted a piece of Sicily once it started having internal turmoil

>>1451117
Basically a group called the Mamertines took over a Sicillian city called Messana.

They ravaged the land until they were fought back by the Syracusans under Hieron. They then appealed to the Carthagineans and Romans for help. The Carthagineans approached Hieron to take no further action, and convinced the Mamertines to take a garrison of Carthagineans.

As the Romans and Carthagineans had recently aided each other against Pyhrus in his invasion of Sicily and/or they wanted better protection, they asked the Romans for an alliance.

However since the Pyhric war, the Romans and Carthagineans had developed a rivalry. Some Romans did not want to help the Mamertines as they had unjustly taken the city, but others argued if they did not form an alliance to fight the Syracusans with the Mamertines, the Carthagineans would be free to fight them and then take over Sicily.

The Romans voted for the alliance and sent an army to aid the Mamertines, who cast out their Carthaginean garrison. The war started when the Romans landed at Messana in 264bc. They then defeated the Carthaginean and Syracusans besieging Messana and marched on to Syracuse.

If you want to read more about the Punic wars, read Polybius and Livy.

>>1451121
Phoenicians weren't Jews

not without people and the media we wuzzing

>>1451142
weren't they Canaanite

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>>1449885
If only he won

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>>1449885
That's Roman Carthage. Here's Carthaginian Carthage.

>>1451341
>>1449885

The port of Carthage looks so sick

>>1451252
Why do we have a country named after cheap fish?

>>1451252
>t. Manlius Torquatus

>>1451142
what then?

>>1451419
It's not a country

Should've stayed out of my fucking country.

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>>1453851
Should've stayed out of my fucking country.

>>1449885
Were they not a sort of mix'n'match of Greek, Roman and Phoenician culture?

t. Person who knows nothing about Carthage.

>>1453090
Phoenicians

>>1453868
They were Phoenicians

>>1449885
Child sacrificers
Boring
Like Singapore of the ancient world

Even in the obviously biased Roman histories, they seem like the good guys.

>>1449885
>Carthage thread
>posting Roman Carthage
That actually says enough.

>>1451134
Wait, so Carthage and Rome both made an alliance with the Mamertines, but then the Mamertines turned on Carthage once Rome joined in?

It sounds like the Mamertines were the real dicks in this situation.

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>>1453855
He looks like Brando.

>>1453891
>>1453894
Not according to wikipedia

Phoenicia (UK /fᵻˈnJʃə/ or US /fəˈniːʃə/;[3] from the Greek: Φοινίkη, Phoiníkē; Arabic: فينيقية, Fīnīqīyah) was an ancient Semitic thalassocratic civilization situated on the western, coastal part of the Fertile Crescent and centred on the coastline of what is now Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria, though some colonies reached the Western Mediterranean and even the Atlantic Ocean. It was an enterprising sea-based civilisation and spread across the Mediterranean from 1500 BC to 300 BC.

Phoenicia is really a Classical Greek term used to refer to the region of the major Canaanite port towns, and it does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselves, vaguely comparable to the Hanseatic League. Their civilization was organized in city-states, similar to Ancient Greece,[4] perhaps the most notable of which was Carthage.

>>1455249
How does that contradict anything I said?

>>1449969
What exactly is a lybo-pheonician?

>>1455269
Probably a mix of Libyan and Phoenician.

>>1455256
>it does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselves
it does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselvesit does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselves

it does not

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Salty thread.