>4 million Bengalis

Japan shouldn't have invaded the British raj

Japs bombed all railroads used by Brits to bring food to Bengalia :DDD

>>1447446
>t. war office
>>1447433
>we dindu nuffin, we good bois, the bengalis didn't need fishing boats anyway.

>>1447446
>the Jews only died because the generous Germans couldn't supply them the food they needed!

>Does that include Gandhi?

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>That Gandhi ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back.

>>1447475
pretty autistic desu.
what is it with wartime leaders and dumb ideas?

>crazy warmongers do crazy warmonger things
Shocking!

kinda curious. why does the japanese atrocities in china get so much publicity when the bengal famine gets glossed over?

>>1447499
you know exactly why

>>1447499
Because famine isn't seen as bad as murdering people for scientific experiments or sacking a city. Also, people care a lot more about Chinese than Bengalis for some reason. Few million Bengalis died because the food got cut off? Well that happens a lot.

>>1447499
The Nips lost. Duh.

>>1447499
a) white supremacy

b) victor bias

take your pic

>>1447516
Still people cares about the Chinese famine and ukrainian one

>>1447499
Because chinks matter more to the world than smelly indians.

>>1447516
that happened like three times under the british and even the early post company colonial rule was more sympathetic to that. If you guys are interested in reading about pre gandhian non violent struggle in india, I would advise you to look up on the indigo rebellion in the province of Bengal.

Also, officers on the ground for the most part were rather appalled that the upper echelons were trying to brush that entire thing under the carpet. Wavell tried organizing a relief effort but was always low on supplies for the relief effort.

>>1447383
Those deaths were caused by the bombing of supply lines by the Alli- I mean Axis

>>1447530
t. Chingchong

>inb4 we wuz center of the galaxy and shit
Europeans always tried to have access to India and the spice islands rather than china.
>>1447529
or that too. Victorian famines kinda get pushed under the carpet

in the 19th and early 20th century most of the colonial wealth of britain was situated around the Raj but its interesting that in popular consciousness you have places in africa that became the posterchild for colonialism and it's ill effects, even though india had similar levels of degradation under the raj

>>1447499
Japan was evil.

Chinese government have a tendency to stoke nationalism (regularly). So they use the japs' old history against them. Anytime something political comes up, Senkaku Islands for example, boycott of Japanese goods, trashing of Japanese stores, harassment of Japanese nationals/sympathizers/product users/etc.

With latest craze being the South China Sea claim, they will stoke anti-American/Jap shit again. Mainly because the chinks perceive those two countries to be better than them.

>>1447516
every fucking American schoolkid learns about the potato famine, which killed far fewer people

>>1447555
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that due to irish settlers being an important part of america?

>>1447383
Kek when will the Bengalis get a break
>Converted to Islam by Mughals and Arabs
>4million starve to death
>Get tied with pakistan
>Get genocided and raped by pakis

>>1447555
If we learned about every time a few million Asians died, that would be literally all we learned about.

>>1447560
You're not wrong.

>>1447555
This in relation to Japan murdering people in China for shits and giggles as opposed to wartime famine caused by strategic efforts to disrupt supplies. Obviously one is going to be seen as worse than the other.

>>1447548
>resisting european imperialism is evil
ok

>>1447565
you forgot
>elect communists to power because of pointless idealism
>proceed to turn calcutta which was an excellent thriving city and west bengal which was rapidly industrializing in west bengal into a fundamentalist shithole.
If any fucking commie tard says that communism has never been tried, point them to west bengal.

>>1447565
Now sucking indian cock

>>1447576
>strategic efforts
yes, having a scorched earth policy reinstated and having the rural supply system disrupted because the brits were afraid the japanese would be sailing to calcutta on fishing boats is wartime considerations.

>>1447475
jesus that sounds almost sexual

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>>1447555
wonder why(:

>>1447560
Yeah, like 10% of Americans are of mostly Irish descent.

But the Bengal famine was a major contributing factor in the struggle for Indian independence. This makes it hugely more important in the broader view of history.

>>1447589
The bengali middle class was prominent in the indian freedom movement you tard, especially in the more violent parts. They have their language protected well enough in the modern indian republic and they have a country to protect their culture as well.

>>1447539
kek

>>1447607
not really - no.

The bengali famine was yet another kick in the balls by the brits to india in general, but the brits dropped the ball pretty fucking hard during the INA trials

If you are more interested, look up at what the INA achieved merely by existing.
>coalition of indian men AND women fighting together side by side irrespective of caste lines
>Japan seen as honorable ally who was freeing us from the white man
>The raj at it's nadir with the retreat from burma and army morale at an all time low.
It was a fucking tinderbox that made everything about the old raj ideals obsolete.

You had indians from a wide variety of places fighting together and being led by a bengali - who the british considered as the lowest on the martial totem pole - on the cusp of victory against european colonialism.

Then after the war the british decide to hold a public trial for them at the red fort and all hell breaks loose.

The INC and the Muslim league band together to demand the release of the soldiers being tried. They did this while waiting for india to be partitioned.

Countries Churchill fucked up before becoming PM

Egypt
Israel
Palestine
Iraq
India
Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan
Pakistan
The Ottoman Empire (Turkey)

Countries that Churchill fucked up as PM

Pakistan (Some more)
India (Some more)
Iran (Twice)

Seriously that guy's decisions and actions between Gallipoli and The Coup of Mossadegh can pretty much be blamed for 90% of the problems in the post-Soviet world

The "Churchill is good" meme needs to die. Every historian who isn't Niall Ferguson or any Fergusonian popular book shill who want to jerk off WWII for old boomer bucks pretty much thinks Churchill was a disaster of a human being

>>1447499
Because Japan was basically seen as the saviour of Asia, except in Korea and China tbqhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gggggsssssggggggg

>>1447499
Because eternal anglo.

>>1447668
To be fair, Pakistan was probably gonna be a failed state to begin with. I always find it ironic when they complain about Zionism and their Palestinian "brothers and sisters"

Muhammad Ali Jinnah: I want a secular free state!

B-but just for muslims!

>>1447744
Pakistan was doing just fine post independence until 1965.
They got fucked hard by India in that, even though the war was a ceasefire.

>>1447499
Because the Japanese never personally saw to the systematic occupation and starvation of Bengal.

Can't say the same about China/ASEAN.

>>1447810
>Churchill asked about the relief effort
>"then why isn't gandhi ded yet :^)"
thats as direct as you can get in a democracy.

>>1447589
Nope. Bangladesh is neutral.

>>1447641
>>Japan seen as honorable ally who was freeing us from the white man

India would have recieved the same freedom China, SK, Taiwan, and ASEAN recieved.

>>1447816
Bengal's mass starvation only occurred after Japan began fucking up Burma and Bengal.

China and ASEAN were deliberately starved by Japan before America or the allies even joined the war.

There's at least a margin of blame on the Japanese in Bengal, but the systematic starvation in China and ASEAN were 100% Japan's fault.

>>1447383
It was just human nature, Britain dindu nuffin ever

>>1447821
>seen as
what part of that did you not understand
>>1447840
The brits allowed convoy shipping to go to greece from australia because of the hardy greeks meme.

>>1447744
Frankly I think the country would have worked better as either multiple states or one united state, the problem is that you don't have the Hindus and Muslims to offset each other so you end up with assholes like Indra Gandhi and Modi, and in Pakistan you've pretty much had a perpetual police state of varying levels of Islamic influence.

>>1447383
God I just puked looking at the face of that filthy anglo rat

Fucking genocidal war hungry maniac

He's responsible for ruining Europe

>>1448439
>He's responsible for ruining Europe
And The Middle East
And South Asia

Pretty much the entire Old World

>>1448427
>indira gandhi
>modi
what did they do?
or are you one of those punjabi bastards who used the agricultural prosperity under indira gandhi to emigrate to the west and cry about oppression?

bumping. This is an interesting topic for discussion.

>>1447565
>>1447587
Also forgot the other British caused super-famine; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bengal_famine_of_1770

TEN MILLION people starved to death because the British wanted opium to trade for Chink tea.

>>1449339
I kinda find it funny that everyone assumes that the brits forced the chinese to buy opium because they were otherwise just traders who would be using british silver to buy chinese goods

The brits had access to the entire treasury and incomes of bengal, and they ran it like an african colony. A lot of the smaller semi urbanized places in bengal like Nadia and Murshidabad declined because of this forced deurbanization of bengal.

>>1447744
Islamist nationalism in a nutshell desu

>>1447744
What's the point of Pakistan anyway? Shoving together all the Muslim peoples in the area?

>>1449668
When India became independent, Hindu radicals went fucking insane. They forced all the Muslims they could into Bangladesh and Pakistan, in a Trail-of-Tears scenario that killed about a million of people.

Pakistan and Bangladesh were actually one country for a while, which was shitshow considering that they're 1,000 miles apart. After twenty years of that, the Bengalis rebelled. Supported by India, they won their war of independence, but 3 million civilians were slaughtered by the rampaging Pakistani army.

bengal got most of its rice from burma and japan invaded, blame japan

>>1449801
>hindu radicals
yeah, direct action day was done by evil hindus who made the muslims eat pork and rape the the innocent schoolgoing muslim girls...
oh wait.
>>1449830
>we dindu nuffin

>>1447457
Prisoners of war get the short end of the stick in any shortage situations anyway, it's not like those who were captured by japanese fared any better.

>>1447383
>people hear churchill and think of a posh aristocrat scumbag
>rather than based Duke of Marlborough, John Churchill
the world isn't fair

>>1447607
>10%
Try 30%

>>1451627
There are officially about 35 million Irish descents (fully and partially).

35/320 = 10%

Other guy is correct.

>>1451536
the japs treated the potential INA recruits pretty good
[spoiler]as far as japanese standards go.[/spoiler]
>>1451638
then why do burgers go full potatoboo? Legit question. Is it just a meme to get drunk on St. Patrick's day?

>>1451672
Its a "le alcohol meme". Burgers go full on "le ghost/monsters" on halloween. Doesn't mean they believe in witches/monsters.

>>1447543
>in the 19th and early 20th century most of the colonial wealth of britain was situated around the Raj but its interesting that in popular consciousness you have places in africa that became the posterchild for colonialism and it's ill effects, even though india had similar levels of degradation under the raj
can we discuss about this? This is a legitimate question. Whenever the evils of colonialism are discussed, everyone talks about it from a african perspective. But the entire reason why every one wanted a colony was because the raj was incredibly successful

>>1451679
alright. So its a cultural excuse to get drunk?
America pretty much seems like a frat party sometimes desu

>>1451687
Yeah. Little bit to do with prohibition of alcohol back in the days. People like to quote that shit like its their Bible sometimes.

You can call it little immature at times. With overconsumption and lack of self control being the underlying meme behind many of the immature behaviors of average Americans.

>>1451700
so was st patrick's day a way to get around prohibition?
and its nice to see people have fun. Brings out the kid in all of us.

>>1447475
Just nail him to a cross, Jeez.

>>1451884
please, lets not make him a martyr

>they should breed less like we do, now they are starving t. le drunken warmonger man of air superiority
WHY DO ASIANS BREED SO MUCH /his/?!?

>>1451906
because they were able to sustain those populations?

>>1451917
Apparently not *tips fedora*

>>1451687
I think it is more if a "ny heritage" and melting pot thing. St. Pats for Irish heritage. Columbus day for Italians, lots of towns do Oktoberfest things for Germans.

>>1451955
Maybe for the weewuzs. Most people celebrating stuff like italian and irish holidays are the sum of peasant Kraut migrant seed.

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>>1451933
pic related
>>1451955
>>1451973
pretty sure oklahoma does that octoberfest to get around their retarded beer laws.

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>1 Million gauls

>>1451178
>direct action day was done by evil hindus who made the muslims eat pork and rape the the innocent schoolgoing muslim girls...

But this is exactly what happened

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>tch... indians... breed like rabbits...
>don't send relief... teach them a lesson...

>>1452301
t. Mohammed Ali Quli "descendent of the prophet PBUH". Murtaza

>>1447587
It's working well in Kerala, though.

>>1449801
What are you talking about? 1/3 of Muslims stayed in India. A lot of them are successful engineers, entrepreneurs, actors, etc. The population exchange killed both Hindus and Muslims.

>>1451536
>jews were POWs

>>1452363
its because the keralite economy is dependent on foreign remissions. In west bengal, the Commies came to power by doing 'land reform'.
These reforms included giving bangladeshi illegals fake voter ID cards and small bits of land. As a result the agricultural productivity of west bengal has nearly stagnated, and the heavy industry that bengal was steadily developing under early congress rule was shut down by rampant trade unionism.

West bengal is a character case in how communism destroys a state from the inside out by cannibalizing it's social structure and replacing it with inept party members. Hell, the average CPI(M) cadre in west bengal went over to the new political party in power once the commies finally lost.

>>1452415
it was a shitpost.

A lot of the muzzies that stayed in india were pretty active in the two nations movement. The Keralite muslims come to mind. When push came to shove they stayed in India and created a nice 5th column to retard india's progress by chimping out.

>>1447668
Don't forget, "Keep England white, that should be a good slogan."

>>1452458
what?

>>1452343
>anon saved my pasta

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>it's another 'non-brits are jelly of our infinite success' thread

>>1452925
>infinite success
someone post the 350 million GBP meme already.

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>>1452812
What can I say anon, I really liked it

>>1447668
Don't forget, if Churchill had his way, stormfaggots would actually have a point about the British being worse than the Germans.

>"Let's Bomb the Russians"
>"And invade Norway"
>"And invade Ireland"
>"That will show the Germans."

>>1452802
That was literally Churchill's reelection slogan. Even at the time, it was regarded as embarrassingly racist.

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>>1452925
>'infinite success'

>>1447383
It's almost like the empire was in a war or something!?

The fishing boats in hindsight could have been spared but it wasn't a haunted at the time that they would not be needed for the war. The same goes for the grain and grain transport vessels. It's not like it wasn't expected however. The British government was not going to "potentially harm the war effort" on the behalf of some non-british subjects. Multi-ethnic empires never treat all subjects equally and at this point large portions of the British government assumed famine was just a common factor of being in India, something to be expected.

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>>1452925

More like 'infinite spending'

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>>1452976
>takes a massive hit
>still worth more than the amexican dollar

>>1452981
> The British government was not going to "potentially harm the war effort" on the behalf of some non-british subjects.
Sounds like a defense at Nuremberg, desu.

>>1452925
A fine Anglo gentleman I see.

>>1452990
The difference is we won the war my friend.

>>1452981
they were subjects of the british empire though.

>>1452981
>send food from australia to fucking greece
>when the canadians and americans say that they will supply food to bengal, say no
churchill went beyond colonial apathy in that.

>>1451955
>>1451973
Everyone in America celebrates St Patricks Day, even if they aren't of Irish descent, or white. It's the same as Cinco de Mayo being celebrated by everyone and not just Mexican-Americans.

>>1447383
How is ghandi still alive?

>>1453194
He is gujarati. Gujaratis are magical people who live forever if they are making a profit.
t. Narendra Modi.

>>1453040
that was always a tier list of subjects in the empire defacto.

>>1447608
>The bengali middle class was prominent in the indian freedom movement you tard, especially in the more violent parts. They have their language protected well enough in the modern indian republic and they have a country to protect their culture as well.

That's way better then most peoples can get at all.

>>1448452
What did he do in Africa?

>>1453249
thats exactly how the indian republic functions. Hindi is the official language of the government of India, not the national language of the Indian People. Despite it's shitty IRL situation, the indian constitution was a pretty nice document that gave a lot of people extensive rights.

What was the contemporary reaction to the famine?

>>1453256
Oversaw the construction of concentration camps on a soviet scale in futile attempt to drag out colonial rule by a few more years or months, shattering societies and weakening the colonies capacity for self rule.

>>1453644
so, was he the antichrist?
incredibly popular, and fucked up the world?
then who was jebus returned?

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>>1453679
> then who was jebus returned?

>>1453684
but churchill literally came to power because charlie chaplain became autistic.

>>1453644
Not like colony self sufficiency was ever promoted at all down there.

>>1453756
they never promoted that in any colony desu. They only started allowing that in India during WW1.

>>1453756
Oh yeah. But it needs to be said because otherwise all the shitheads will talk about how the British stewardship was needed to prepare Africa for independence. No, fuck that. They would rather throw post-colonial Kenya under a bus to get a few more months of colonial rule.

>>1447383
Clearly 4 million wasn't enough

>>1454924
I didn't know general niazi posted on /his/

>>1447587
>>elect communists to power because of pointless idealism
>>proceed to turn calcutta which was an excellent thriving city and west bengal which was rapidly industrializing in west bengal into a fundamentalist shithole.

And
>finally chooses other party.
>same shit, now in green.

This state is fucked until something drastic happens.

>>1454924
And 90,000 wasn't enough.
Maybe if the the entire army surrendered, then all the shit that happened after 1971 could had been averted.

>>1447383
Not like they were humans anyway

>>1449668
Jinnah two nation theory which propounds that muslim and hindus can't live together.
>>1449801 faggot here is hidding the fact that how muslims equally butchered and raped the minorities in their respective area (Punjab, Bengal) . Oh by the way Pakistan got independence on 14th aug, one day before India.
This faggot must be reminded the fact how they tried to ban bengali language in 1952, and why Mother Tongue day is observed every year.

And how in 65's war made Bengali insure because of east's defense lies in west doctrine.
And how they discarded the result of 71's election and started Operation Searchlight, where they raped many bengali women.
This caused a refugee crisis in India and forced it's hand to war and give independence to East bengal, which they could had all for themselves.

In a nutshell, Jinnah's ambition to become 2nd Ataturk gave us this mess.

>>1452301
Only if Jinnah was a Hindu.

>>1453209
So was Jinnah.

>>1455961
What do you mean?

>>1455922
>implying mamata isn't a meme machine.
This is how the bengali middle class dies. With an overdose of memes.
>>1455962
pretty much this.
>>1455976
Jinnah was an educated lawyer though. The average gujju is not. You don't need an MBA to run convenience stores.
>>1456050
He is being edgy.

>>1455962
>insure
*Insecure

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>>1447555

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>>1447756
>>1448427
>>1449668

Should have been part of Iran.

>>1456805
Would only make sense if all of Punjab and Kashmir stayed with India.

>>1456805
t. clueless persiaboo.
>everything that the achmeniad empire ever loosely controlled should be part of persia and worship based zoraster :DDD

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>>1456827
But.. that picture isn't the Achaemenid empire at its greatest extent

>>1456805
>O'zbekiston
At last I see the Hiberno conspiracy.

>>1456827
We wuz shahs nigga

>>1457020
ebin
nice, gotta get that game one of these days.
>>1457084
yeah.
wuz