can we talk about European Union and its history?

As an English person, i'm fucking disgusted at my country and frightened at the current climate of toxicity and hate caused by the brexiteers.

Morality is subjective

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>>1433517
cucked

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>>1433515
Our "High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy" (basically Foreign and Defense Minister) is a qt.

>>1433517

It's fairly obvious you are causing toxicity yourself, and fail to see it because you are deeply biased and probably an extremist.

I recommend broadening your views.

>>1433515
Should have stayed at an only economical stage

>>1433517
Why do you hate freedom?

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>>1433515
It is no.1 in the world in everything except military power.

And as the pic shows, less fat than America

>>1433684
This is what many pro-European Federation bring up, that the "EU is powerful". That's one of the most terrifying things about it. I don't want to live in a superpower

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>>1433624
>>1433655
>>1433671
>Leave voter """"arguments""""

>>1433747

My post wasn't an argument. I just told you that if you see only black and white, it isn't because the world is black and white. It is because you are a blind.

Also I'm not british.

>>1433729
Have fun being America's or Russia's bitch then. We can be an economic superpower without the headaches that being a military superpower brings. Basically a bigger version of Germany.

>>1433517
This isnt historical
Where the fuck are the mods?

>>1433747
>be me
>be remainer
>100% blairite labourist
>I'm leftist and shit
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BREXITERS MUH STOCK EXCHANGE MUH CURRENCY MUH 1% AND THEIR MONEY
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CORBYN HE'S LITERALLY COMMUNIST BTW. I'M ON THE LEFT FROM CORBYN THAT'S WHY HE HATES ME

>>1433768

"Economic superpower" isn't a real thing. You have barely no influence when things actually matter. The EU is the largest economy in the world yet the EU has only domestic influence.

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>>1433756
>My post wasn't an argument. I just told you that if you see only black and white, it isn't because the world is black and white. It is because you are a blind.

>>1433776
>forgetting the downgrade
The nightmare hasn't even begun

>>1433809
This pic must be a falseflag

>>1433781
Well we don't really have many choices then.

>>1433671
Yeah, the freedom to not be able to eat food with high lead content

>>1433816
>This pic must be a falseflag
Why?

>>1434008
No one can look this retarded on purpose

>>1434024
You don't get out much, do you?

>>1433517
this is such clear bait, here's your (you)

>>1433515
>For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.

Keep your brexit threads in pol

>>1433684
this map is misleading because everything below 77 is one color. If this map included sub saharan africa it would be the same color as the southern USA

>>1434266
how is it bait?
you are aware taht 48% of Brits were for remain, right?

>>1434269
EU exists since 1957

>>1433781
Through the Common Foreign and Security Policy, the EU has developed a role in external relations and defence. The union maintains permanent diplomatic missions throughout the world and represents itself at the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the G8, and the G-20. Because of its global influence, the European Union has been described as a current or as a potential superpower.[24]

>>1434497
Brexit happened last month, which is why I suggested to keep it out of here, since it's not history.

>>1434623
I don't intend to talk about Brexit, but about the European project in general

>>1434638
>I don't intend to talk about Brexit
I understand, but the thread turned into remain/leave shit-flinging. I'm pointing it out so we can get back on track.

>>1434643
Thanks for your considerations

>>1433517
Don't be sad, friend from outre-manche.
Your country sacrificed its economy and probably its unity to rid us Europeans of English politicians. The reasons for it might be disgusting, but all in all it was a beautiful act.

The alternative would have been Cameron parading in Brussels and single handedly burying all projects of political union. That would have been really disgusting.

>>1434643
>I'm pointing it out so we can get back on track.
Speaking of getting back on track. The main purpose of the European project was the following. Since France and Germany (in their various forms) have always been at war with each other in one way or another. Having an economical union would see that they are interdependent of each other and will make cooperation beneficial. So far it has done it's job marvelously.

>>1434664
>don't be sad

I'm not lol; my nature is one of flippancy

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>>1434774
>my nature is one of flippancy

I find it fucking funny how much the fucking English have fucked up with Brexit.

They've essentially destroyed their economy beyond recovery, destroyed their place on the world stage, and even destroyed their union (Scotland demands a referendum, Northern Ireland demands a referendum, London demands a referendum, and Wales is on the verge of seeing how corrupt westminster has become)

As a Scot I can't fucking wait for England to crumble; we'll escape from their yoke and become enriched by being both a independent nation and a respected leader in the EU.

>>1434760
I see... So maybe now we can finally get back on the historical track that was France and England being always at war with each other.

>>1434799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French%E2%80%93German_enmity

Don't know what is bigger, the petty French English squabbling, or the ones that led to WW1 and WW2

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>>1434798

nice bait

>>1434821
>everyone who isn't a /pol/ sheep is bait

Get of the fucking internet for once

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>>1433642
was about time
before that we only had Miss UK for that job..

>>1434827

Not takin the bait m8. No one can be that retarded.

>>1434831
pure ad hominem

just run back to /pol/

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>>1434836

>They've essentially destroyed their economy beyond recovery
>destroyed their place on the world stage
>we'll escape from their yoke and become enriched by being both a independent nation and a respected leader in the EU.

>not bait

pick one

>>1434813
If France had maintained its demographic and economic lead over the 19th century, WW1-2 would have opposed England and its german ally to France.

>>1434859
Haven't you fucking seen what's happened to the pound? It's hit a 31 fucking year low.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

Wiki has some pretty good info on this. As stated by some in this thread, the purpose of the EU was to prevent conflict between nations, individual nations becoming larger and taking over land from other nations and prevent the occurrence of super nations (like what germany was trying to be during WW2.).

"After World War II, European integration was seen as an antidote to the extreme nationalism which had devastated the continent."

There's also an older movement that existed before the EU that sought mostly similar goals.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

>>1434859
>They've essentially destroyed their economy beyond recovery
>destroyed their place on the world stage
He's right though, it did screw itself over. It's gonna take a few years to recover.

>>1434889

So was the UK's economy permanently fucked when the pound reached 1.05 against the dollar in 1985?

Currencies, specifically reserve currencies, reflect the stability of the country which governs it. When things are unstable, people sell off that country's reserve currency and buy something they think is more secure, hence everyone bailing on Euros and Sterling to buy the Yen. Once the Brexit process is sorted out and things return to normal, the pound will go back up as people reinvest. The current losses are paper losses. 15% of the UK's economic infrastructure did not magically burst into flames when the Brexit vote count came through.

>>1434903

It'll take a little while to recover but they'll be stronger for it in the long run.

The thing about them destroying their place on the world stage in nonsense, anyone can see that the EU is a federalizing project and an independent country will always have more influence than a province/state, which is what the UK would inevitably become if it remained in the EU for another 30, 40 years.

>>1434940
>The thing about them destroying their place on the world stage in nonsense, anyone can see that the EU is a federalizing project and an independent country will always have more influence than a province/state, which is what the UK would inevitably become if it remained in the EU for another 30, 40 years.
Not really sure how one leads to another...

>>1434940
>It'll take a little while to recover but they'll be stronger for it in the long run.
How? They just lost access to the single biggest market in the world
How exactly will this make them stronger in the long run?

>>1433515
We may as well, as we sure as hell won't be talking about it's future

Topkek from Britain Eurocucks

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The EU may have taken some of its inspiration for its ambition from the story about the tower of Babel. (some have disputed over what the building actually represents.)

>>1434940
> an independent country will always have more influence than a province/state
Why ?

>>1434944

Integration of currencies, customs, border controls, and now talk of integrating army and fiscal policy and there was previously (perhaps currently as well? I haven't kept up with it) strong support for taxation rights vis a vis the EU Financial Transaction Tax, + increasing the power of the EU parliament and commission, etc. They're taking the EU step by step down the road to greater integration ending in the United States of Europe. That's the end goal. They've said as much before.

>>1434981
I understood that part, I didn't understand the why it's bad part.

>>1433515
It's basically an American project.
Hell, Jean Monnet himself worked closely with the CIA.

>>1433684
>people actually want to live in diapers for another 10 to 15 years

>>1434945

Because that one single market was putting barriers in place for trade with the rest of the world. I know, I export to the EU, they had massive tariffs on Chinese products (in some cases 30%+). Being independent will allow the UK to tailor its trading policy to exactly what it needs.

For example, the UK currently consumes much more steel than it produces; currently they'd have to buy European steel at a significant markup instead of Chinese, South African, Russian etc. steel. Being independent, they can now buy from whomever they want to if they so desire, put trade incentives in place if they want to encourage their own domestic industry, etc etc. Same with practically every other trade good. A UK-specific trade policy will always be better than a general EU policy.

Aside from that, the EU still exists and walls have not popped out of ground all around the EU, preventing Britain from trading with them. They can still trade with the EU, just as an outside country now.

>>1434991

We have different value systems.

>>1434965

What is Texas's foreign policy?

>>1435036
>What is Texas's foreign policy?
Kill all Mexicans and build a huge Wall?

>>1435032
That's a good point, but if the EU-UK trade negotiations don't work out that well (and leaving aside potential consequences for the City), will the losses from the single market be compensated by such greater potential gains in other countries?

>>1435036
How divergent is the UK's foreign policy from the EU though? If they had radically different priorities I'd understand, but it seems to me that by and large they're aligned - except that the UK reserves for itself the right to intervene overseas (as does France, for example)

>>1435036
The individual states do lose some influence, but it's for the good of the country as a whole. Just look at how much influence USA exerts.

Besides there are always the shining jewels and there are those shit states. California, for example, has a bigger GDP than 6th largest economy - France. Saying the state can't do well for itself while being a part of a federal government is kinda baseless.

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Germany attempt to takeover Europe by economic rather than military means. Cucked hard by the English yet again.

>>1435080
Oh do shut it with your 'Germany is the boogeyman'

>>1435087
t. G*rm

>>1435036
I don't know. Check what the representatives and senators voted on foreign policy issues. And what happened the last time you had a texan president too.

I'm pretty sure that even though texans do not have the final say in foreign policy, their membership of the USA let them have a say in issues they wouldn't have been able to influe on otherwise.
And Texas wouldn't have become as important economically and demographically as it is without being in the union.

Is the problem not that influence is lost, but that the label on it changes from country X to union Y ?

Also, are you in favor of the independence of your county from the UK ? Why not, and why wouldn't you apply the same logic to the UK ?

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>>1435087
>merkel invites all of africa&mid-east to the EU without asking anyone
>germany isn't the enemy here

Stay cucked Hans.

>>1435105
>merkel decides on every single thing that happens in the whole wide world

The immigrant crisis has forced all members on implementing some policies. The immigrants were coming either way. Now if we are in control, we get to decide where and when and how many. That was the general idea. Though, I will concede that our current policies haven't met up with expectation and we do need to do more.

>>1435032
This only works for imports, and/or trade with large established economies, plus running an import based economy only works for so long, until the current account deficit gets severly affected, and their current account deficit is pretty bad already.

Being outside of the free market as a country for whom the EU accounts for 62% of trade exports means the EU will be able to toy with tariffs at will where the UK is concerned. If any continental lobby wants British products severely disadvantaged at export to the EU, they will get their way.

So that is in no way good news for the UK.

Now, say the UK wants to compensate by exporting to the rest of the world. Well they already export to the US, and they may get a deal with the US, which will help, but only to an extent. Plus, they won't hold as much weight in negociations with big players such as China or Brazil or the US, which means they won't be getting the best deal they could hope for.
How about trading with emerging countries? Well unluckily for the UK, ECs need the import tariffs to keep afloat more often than not, and it is in any case a great boost to their economy. They won't be lowering tariffs for the UK exports any time soon.

tl;dr: The UK's current account deficit will get worse, their trade balance will go even further down the shitter unless they get an EU trade agreement.

>>1434564
Nice wikipedia read.
>The union maintains permanent diplomatic missions throughout the world and represents itself at the United Nations,
So do all nations.
>Through the Common Foreign and Security Policy
Literally a lie. The EU does not have a common foreign and security policy.

Like what the fuck is hits? This article says two facsts, a) EU has embassies (wow!!!!!! embassies!!!) and is in the UN (WOW!111) and then claims the EU is a potential superpower.

The EU is a dysfunctional mess that couldn't even bend Russia and has succumbed to demands from Turkey. Not a superpower nor a potential superpower in a hundred years.

So what was your post trying to prove? Having an embassy and being in the U.N makes you a superpower?

>>1435126
>The immigrant crisis has forced all members on implementing some policies. The immigrants were coming either way. Now if we are in control, we get to decide where and when and how many. That was the general idea. Though, I will concede that our current policies haven't met up with expectation and we do need to do more.

Is this what you krauts actually tell yourselves? Go to the Cologne victims and tell them your policies just aren't meeting expectation but everything is under control, that they have to accept mass migration because it was "coming either way", just like the French PM said that France must "learn to live with terrorism". No country *must* go alone with this, it's your cucked liberal way of thinking that enables this.

>>1435141
>The EU is a dysfunctional mess that couldn't even bend Russia
Nobody can bend Russia m8. You're overreaching.

>>1435126

Merkel ignored the inmigrant crisis while they flooded Greece, and only said something when Renzi threatened to give a free pass to inmigrants if the Union did not somehting to help them.
But when the inmigrants reached Germany, then it became a European problem.

>>1435154
But the lack of effort shows. The EU couldn't do anything more than mild sanctions because if they had done more EU-skeptic parties would have soared in popularity. It's not what they did per say, but what they couldn't do.

>>1433747
We don't need to give arguments anymore, we already won. Stay salty

>>1435188
>we won
I wouldn't exactly call it that.

>>1435201
Oh, did the remain vote win?

>>1435205
Nobody did.

>>1433684
>2011
>Lower Saxony still has administrative districts
Yeah, no.

>>1435208
Leave won. Britain will leave the EU and the globalists were defeated.

>>1435032
>Because that one single market was putting barriers in place for trade with the rest of the world. I know, I export to the EU, they had massive tariffs on Chinese products (in some cases 30%+). Being independent will allow the UK to tailor its trading policy to exactly what it needs.

And you think you will have a better leverage in making a trade agreement outside of the EU rather than inside?

>For example, the UK currently consumes much more steel than it produces; currently they'd have to buy European steel at a significant markup instead of Chinese, South African, Russian etc. steel.
Aside from that, the EU still exists and walls have not popped out of ground all around the EU, preventing Britain from trading with them. They can still trade with the EU, just as an outside country now.
So if Britain is inside the EU, its forbidden to trade with third country, but EU is allowed to trade with the third country UK? You dont really make sense

>>1435161
Because the sanctions are forced by USA
Europe has very little interest in the sanctions, since it hurt both Russia and EU economically

>>1435036
the US is the worst place you could possibly pick to make that point.

Texas, New York and California project considerably more power, culture, influence and relevance onto the world stage than comparable nations in terms of wealth, size and population.

And that's even assuming that they would be equal to their current station if independent, which is highly unlikely.

>>1435217
>the globalists were defeated
Britain left a regional block to focus on transcontinental/transoceanic relations through the Commonwealth, Atlanticism, and free trade with East Asia. London will remain one of the world's financial capitals.

>>1435151
> muh cologne victims
> muh terrorism

You are literally basing your world view on anecdotes and one-off events.

>>1433684
>scotland
>northern finland

this makes me giggle

>>1435260
>and one-off events.
Those 2000 men that sexually harassed and raped those women just returned home like "Lol, that's something that I'll only do once. I totally don't have any non-western views about women that I'll project throughout my life and pass on to my kids! Phew that would be silly!""

>>1435055

I would say quite different with regards to migration (which is the most important plank aside from war and trade), but aside from that it's about the same as any other non-EU western country's foreign policy, which is more or less the same as the EU's. Point is that the UK is free to engage or disengage from the EU on foreign policy points now on whatever issue is on the table rather than having to come to an agreement with 27 other countries about a coordinated foreign action; I don't see how the contrary would be true (diminished influence) if they're independent, unless they were particularly persuasive in the EU parliament. But even then, wouldn't they be able to do the same independent?

>>1435041

I would say yes as the EU is ~1/5th of the world's total GDP and leaving will give the UK greater ability to interact with the other 4/5s, but that's impossible to know. It's hard to tell how things will turn out at the moment. I will say that I don't think the EU negotiations will go south, as the UK is/was an overall importer of EU goods than an exporter, in other words if the EU puts in harsh trade barriers and the UK responds in kind, it would hurt the EU more than the UK. That said, they might just do it as a warning for others not to leave.

>>1435097

I wouldn't be in favor of my state's independence from the USA (yet) because I'm an American, Utah is American and we're still governed by Americans. The issue with the UK and the rest of the EU is other people infringing on the sovereignty, even slightly, of their member states. I'm of the opinion that a country should only ever be governed by its own people, should that be their choice, which is why I was in favor of the Scottish referendum in the past. I have no problem with people having a decision every once in a while as to whether or not they want to continue being governed as they are.

This might change for the EU in another 100, 200 years' time as national identity

cont

>>1435289
I can't personally know that.

I haven't done any qualitative research into each and every one of those people, but I sure hope that the people in charge of lawmaking and social policies in the affected countries listen to people who have, rather than edgelords on the internet.

>>1433517
You're not English. You're either a Londoner, Scot or Irishman. Fuck off cuck.

>>1435294

shifts and people begin to identify more as European than British etc., but that time hasn't come yet and it's fairly clear from polls around the EU that people are dissatisfied with the status quo. The current leaders of the EU are trying to force things through the back door and it's just making a mess of it all.

>>1435065
>>1435241

I realized that after I wrote it due to the differences in how the USA and the EU work.

Should have amended the original to 'countries in the EU have less influence in the EU than without', insofar as the EU actually has global influence that it tries to exert simply because they have to come to a general consensus.

>>1435294
>as the UK is/was an overall importer of EU goods than an exporter,

No it isn't.

> it would hurt the EU more than the UK

No it wouldn't

See>>1435127

And just look up "UK trade deficit with the EU", and "UK current account deficit";

>>1435294
The UK has a trade deficit you silly fool.

>>1435127

That would be a worse case scenario.

On the other hand, being able to import cheap raw materials particularly steel, making British products more competitive on the world market and putting greater controls on migration (assuming they actually get their shit together on this point) to import skilled workers could result in a significant rise in GDP growth.

And while the UK exports 62% of its... exports to the EU, they still have a 60bn pound deficit with the EU. I strongly doubt they'd cut off their nose to spite their faces.

They'd have more freedom on trade deals as well. The British trade lobby, for example, will not have to take into account the Polish and German steelmakers when trying to trade with China, the governments of which would be certain to stonewall any sort of deal involving lowered to no tariffs for Chinese steel. I don't really see how they'd be on the backfoot with regards to negotiations. If anything, wouldn't they be more free?

I wish I had a crystal ball and could see 10 years into the future on this point.

>>1435288
Why?

>>1435330
>>1435330

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/10/uk-trade-deficit-hits-new-record-of-24bn-pounds-eu-referendum-brexit

Leaving the EU doesn't mean they'll stop trading with the EU, fyi.

The EU isn't going to/isn't able to blockade Britain. EU countries still trade outside of the EU.

>>1435353
On the other hand, being able to import cheap raw materials particularly steel, making British products more competitive on the world market

The British economy is not that reliant on industry that lower steel prices would have such an impact anymore.

>And while the UK exports 62% of its... exports to the EU, they still have a 60bn pound deficit with the EU. I strongly doubt they'd cut off their nose to spite their faces.

What are you trying to say? I don't get it.

>The British trade lobby, for example, will not have to take into account the Polish and German steelmakers when trying to trade with China, the governments of which would be certain to stonewall any sort of deal involving lowered to no tariffs for Chinese steel. I don't really see how they'd be on the backfoot with regards to negotiations. If anything, wouldn't they be more free?

Sure they'll be able to import some products cheaper, hell, everyone will be bandwagoning to export cheap to the UK as they will have diminished protectionist power. However their will still be barriers to exports, as I explained.

>>1435366
Yes, and? It's my point, they are running a bloody huge trade deficit? Are you missing something?

>>1435387
Of course not, but they can put up high tariff barriers for certain products, and higher tariffs overall, making exporting UK products to the EU much more expensive, and as these products are manufactured products, you can bet there will be intra EU competition for these products.

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>>1435405

>What are you trying to say? I don't get it.

Point is that I doubt the EU would try to screw over the UK via tariffs and customs controls when there is such a significant trade deficit, because of the risk that the UK would respond in kind.

Steel's also quite important to the UK economy still, pic related. I'm actually surprised that they manufacture as much as they do.

As an EU federalist, I am really happy about Brexit
UK was the biggest opponent of a federal Europe.
With Britain out, futher European integration can happen

>>1435442
The trade deficit is for the UK, they trade at a large deficit, the EU only has minimal exports with the UK, nothing vital anyway. If the UK responded in kind, the EU would easily brush it off. It would be MUCH harder for the UK to find a new market for 62% of their exports than for the EU to find a market for 12-16% of theirs.

>>1435442
no trade would hurt UK way more than EU

>>1434798
Lmao based May BTFO the scot referendum and the paddies will retreat with their tails tucked behind their legs

>>1435418

>Yes, and? It's my point, they are running a bloody huge trade deficit? Are you missing something?

Evidently I am. You said that the UK isn't an overall importer of EU goods. It is. It very conclusively is. I'm saying that trade barriers would hurt the EU as a whole more than the UK because the UK imports far more EU products than it exports back and UK tariffs + the WTO are a thing. What exactly am I missing?

>>1434798
>scotland
>respected leader in the EU
you have seen how they treat small countries right?

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>>1435442

>>1435472
By giving them hundreds of billions to support their failing economies due to terrible leadership?

>>1435303
What, do you think barbarians like that will ever stop?

>>1435472
Scotland is one of the leading countries of the whole world, economically, culturally, and politically.

>>1435442
>Steel's also quite important to the UK economy still, pic related. I'm actually surprised that they manufacture as much as they do.
EU wasn't called The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) for nothing, you know.

>>1435443
Sure hope so.

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>>1434798
>being both a independent nation and a respected leader in the EU.

>>1435443
>>1435494
Enjoy your complimentary rapefugees

>>1435501
My anus is ready

>>1435486
Possibly. Now that USA has stopped taking a huge dump on M.E, the situation might stabilize in a few decades.

>>1435467
Ok, this is what you are missing;

The UK being a net importer of EU goods, DOES NOT EQUATE to the the UK being a MAJOR importer of EU goods. It only accounts for a SMALL portion of EU exports (and still runs a trade deficit with them) while on the other hand the EU represents a MAJOR part of UK exports.

The EU has much less to loose in this bargain than the UK.

>>1435510
M8 they're already in Europe it's too late, this ain't a fucking movie, they won't learn to tolerate gays and women

>>1435515
Not sure about you, but I live in Europe, and most of them are pretty nice people. Sure, there are black sheeps, but they're a minority. Calling them barbarians, while being xenophobic yourself, speaks volumes of your character.

>>1435501
somebody is salty

>>1435524
>calling them barbarians, while being xenophobic yourself

The whole reason people call other groups barbarians is due to xenophobia, what's your point?

>>1435511

I see. Question with regards to the EU's tariffs because I'm not familiar with the process behind them, are they proposed by a commission and voted on by the EU parliament or is it a consensus or?

>>1435524
Ask them what they think of apostates, feminists, gays and adulterers
>Calling them barbarians, while being xenophobic yourself, speaks volumes of your character.
Um yeah, because their way of life is at odds with mine

>>1433515
The real start of the european union was when europe came together tp fight atilla

>>1435531
My point is that xenophobia is one of the oldest primate instincts that humans have. Succumbing so easily to it speaks volumes.

>>1435533
I have no clue, I'm no expert on the EU's institutions operating structure.

>>1435540
I see now.

I thought you thought the fact that someone was xenophobic and called others barbarians at the same time was odd or something.

>>1435535
>Ask them what they think of apostates, feminists, gays and adulterers
What do you think of these people? Isn't feminism universally hated on here? How about gays?

>>1435548
Maybe by edgy /pol/tards, not by me. And why the fuck would I have a problem with gays?
>>1435540
When my government is doing NOTHING then the people must solve the problems themselves

>>1435558
>Maybe by edgy /pol/tards, not by me.
Isn't it surprising though? The people that fear the immigrants the most, have the most in common with them?

>>1435567
Retards will come from all nationalities, but do you notice that they're a minority in the west and a majority in the east?

>>1433517
another victim of tribalistic socially progressive views dominating social media.

where the fuck were you people before brexit and why did you form an opinion after the fact so that you can parade around feeling superior about your views?

oh thats right because it wasn't popular on social media to have an opinion until after the fact you meme

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how fake/true is this quoote btw?

>>1435558
>When my government is doing NOTHING then the people must solve the problems themselves

Government is the people. Are you young? Do you vote?
Don't know If you are aware that many young people haven't voted in the Brexit referendum, and their voice could have made a difference. This is a surprising fact but young people all over the world have no will to vote. Do they believe complaining about it on the internet will solve anything?

>>1435594
I plan on voting for AfD (even though they're a fucking meme, it's where the situation has gotten us), but I was too young to vote against Merkel and her party

>>1435580
>but do you notice that they're a minority in the west and a majority in the east?
I actually did not notice. I have been to a few Arabic countries, and people there have been the kindest people I've ever met. It seems to me that only their leaders are power hungry cuntbags that like to throd on their own people

>>1435606
Kind they may be, but they sure do like to stone adulterers, throw gays off of buildings and force their women to be veiled 24/7

>>1435594
Apparently (according to the latest polling) about 65% of yungens did vote.

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"This agglomeration which was called and which still calls itself the European Union is neither, European, nor a Union."

>>1435600
>AfD (even though they're a fucking meme, it's where the situation has gotten us)
You see, this is the problem. Young ones have no will to vote, and when they do, they do it ironically...for shits and giggles. Actually do your homework and vote for a political party that actually has the best interests of the country in mind. Don't vote for a meme party please.

>>1435606
This maybe don't prove much but in my country Sweden Muslim Arabs are among the worst immigrants.
That may be more about who that migrate or not though.

>>1435623
Really? Last I read it was around 30% for 18-24. Surprisingly low.

/his/ can you give me some essential list of books about the history of EU ? I'm looking for something about relations within the union between particular members, especially UK

>>1435639
It's hard to tell, it's usually based on polls rather than the official data.

Anecdotally, it was fairly 50/50 in terms of leave/remain amongst my peers. Don't know who voted or not.

>>1435634
It IS the best party that serves my interests, I'm complaining that they're a meme since even my best option is pretty shit

>>1435643
Wait another 50 years

>>1435643
https://bookshop.europa.eu/en/home/

Look up under the EU explained. They have a bunch of free books you can download.

>>1435654
No sense in voting through hate. Look at what the can do for the country. What are they actual policies? How are they planing on accomplishing this? Does it make sense? *sigh* I have no idea about the political parties in Germany.

>>1435699
>*sigh*

Don't do that.

>>1435673
You might have just saved my thesis ! Thanks Anon

>>1435708
*sigh* I'm getting too old for this shit.

>>1435712
No problem. What is your thesis about, anon? What are you studying?

>>1435585
Maybe he got it because he studied economics or knew the history of the EU and how important it was to Britain's history

>>1435491
>the whole world
When you have Africa, and the Middle East filling out the bottom rungs on nations, its real easy to call yourself a "leading country." The only pecking order that matters is with your European peers.

>>1435716
ur typing in an old web style -_-

But why o_0

>>1434760
>Having an economical union would see that they are interdependent of each other and will make cooperation beneficial.

Firstly, the word your looking for is economic, not economical. Secondly, I would argue the post war American hegemony and the existentialist threat of communism did far more to keep Western Europe at peace than the EU ever did.

Ugh, I am just glad the UK left. I hope more countries leave soon.

>>1435747
>Firstly, the word your looking for is economic, not economical
>your looking
If you're gonna be a grammar nazi, at least do it right.

>>1435754
>I hope more countries follow us to hell

>>1435733
Was feeling nostalgic

Why did the remain campaign fail?

Methinks if there was a better deal of free movement we'd have remained.

>>1435726
I'm studying the English Philology and my thesis is about The portrayal and the image of Brits and the Britian in the EU since 2004 based on polish leftist/liberal newspapers.

At first it seemed as easy task, but now I realize I lack bibliography

>>1435782
>Why did the remain campaign fail?
Illogical, unreasonable people won over logical, reasonable people. It's only human nature, I guess. Was hoping we would have shed this skin by now.

>>1435763
Not in to hell more like "follow us into not having an international assembly full of unelected members deciding which laws my country will follow and basically being a sovereign state."

>we gona spend that 350 million on healthcarw guiseeww vote pls

After vote
>lol we have no ide what to do we lied soryy

Get the fuck out of eu already you fags we dont need you

Best leave arguments are
>cuck
>immigrants
>new world order

What you retards dont realize that illegal immigrants still going to find a way to get to your teethgapped island like before you just cut out working white europeans (but you already begfing them to stay)

>>1435802
What a disappointing reply. Delete this and give me something less attached.

>>1435782
>Why did the remain campaign fail?

Because the EU has only tangibly benefited a metropolitan elite based in London and socialist Scots who have never even seen an immigrant. There are literally thousands of analyses on the subject.

>>1435782
Old people, young retards underestimated how much Old people love to vote.
Hail, snow or if it was raining anvils it does not matter the elderly will still make it to the polling stations.

Most old people were leave voters.
A lot of young people do not care about voting, a lot of young people who would have voted did not bother because it was raining.
The leave side put in more work to convince the older generation.

The same arses who did not bother to vote are the same crying on twitter and complaining that old people are too senile to vote.

Anyways the EU is gay, I hope it dies.
t.Irish man.

>>1435810
I would have, had I known you actually cared to hear one.

>>1435808
The argument was that it could be spent on healthcare, they weren't promising to spend it all on the NHS. People also forget this wasn't a general election.

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>>1435802

oh for god's sake

>>1435825
Lets face it, old fags and uneducated masses got memed by brexit and now britian have no fucking idea what to do, it cut its own veins

>>1435784
Sounds highly intriguing, anon. Hope it turns out well.

>>1435833
That's democracy for ya

Would the EU pay for Scotland's free university tuition and healthcare if they became independent?

>>1435838
Better than fucking Eu democracy
>Woopsie lads ya voted for the wrong thing there but don't worry here is another referendum and if you're a silly billy who voted wrong again we shall just have another.
Many countries got screwed this way.

>>1435846
Scot here. Short answer, of fucking course. They need us in the EU, and they'll definitely want us to have good healthcare and education.

>>1435846
It already does.

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>>1435833

>mfw young leftists always claim that they're working in the interests of the working class and the poor, fighting back against the big bankers and moneyed interests that allegedly run the country into the ground for profit
>mfw when the poor, blue collar Brits who actually have to compete with Poles and other unskilled/low skill EU migrant labor and poor pensioners vote out those same young, white collar, educated folk who *don't* have to compete for jobs promptly flip their shit and begin shilling for the bankers and moneyed elites because now they might have to get visas if they work abroad like everyone else on the planet

This is just hilarious to me

>>1435836
The thing is, that Polish person got everything absolutelty wrong. They thought that after election in France and Germany, UK will lead UE under Blair. They completely ignored the catastrophy that was coming, the trearment of newcomers and British mentality.

UK was supposed to be a leader, but it managed to antagonize everyone Against itself.

>>1435868
As someone who use to be a leftist and liberal it is amazing how much I fucking despise them thanks to the PC crowd.
I have gone middle right, I don't give a fuck as long as those cunts don't get what they want because if you give them an inch they will take it all the way until you're like Sweden.

Bunch of crazy, childish hypoctires.

>>1435868
It's part of the reason why Labour is failing.

Nobody sees them as a part of the working class anymore.

>>1435871
I think that almost none could have foreseen this. We all expected better, I know I have. The shift in the mentality seemed so sudden, though I suppose it was brewing for a while.

You know surprisingly, Oxford did a study just after the Brexit. You would suppose that Brexit was motivated largely due to immigration. I'm not saying it wasn't, but there is probably more involved.

The study looked at the number of immigrants, and the fear of immigrants. It dates to, if I recall correctly about 1930, or so, until today. The number of immigrants have been steadily increasing, while the fear of immigrants hung at largely the same percentage. You would expect they would rise hand in hand. I guess Brits were always xenophobic. They like to contain themselves in their little island.

>>1435871
>UK was supposed to be a leader, but it managed to antagonize everyone Against itself.

But the problem with Britain's place in the EU has been that it has never been seen as a leader of it and has never been able to see itself as benefiting from it, partly because no Briton has ever seen Britain as having a leadership role. To most Member States the EU has been seen as a Germany/French creature for decades. Britain has merely forestalled constant attempts at closer integration and centralisation until now.

>>1435918
>if I recall correctly about 1930, or so, until today. The number of immigrants have been steadily increasing

Gross immigration was at like 30,000 in the 1980s and 600,000 in the early 2010s. Small towns across the country have been ruined and London is pretty much seen as a foreign country. That "fear" of immigrants wouldn't have meant shit in this referendum if the numbers hadn't been so high.

>>1435943
This.

Brits have perceived the EU as an external body that they have to submit to, rather than something they can benefit from and lead.

It's seen as a thing for the mainlanders.

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>>1435918

>there is probably more involved

This helps break it down, in case you're interested:

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

spoilers: It was literally the rich vs. the poor with upper social classes voting in and lower social classes voting out across the board with the primary issues being sovereignty, migration and EU increase in powers in that order.

>>1435961
>A majority of those working full-time or part-time voted to remain in the EU; most of those not working voted to leave.
BWAHAHAHAHAH So it's actually NEET's who spend their time shiposting on 4chan that voted leave. Figures.

>>1435868
why putin has no nippels?

>>1436124
Nipple only for milk-drinkers. Putin Stronk.

>>1435981
Or maybe people who are just unemployed because they can't find a job? Not a Brit, but I can see why people who are unemployed would think that the UK economy within the EU isn't working for them at a personal level, because for them it really isn't.

>>1435638
It doesn't prove much, I'm also Swedish, and most Muslims I have interacted with (Not that many desu though, I live in Stockholm and even do it contradicts /pol/s world view, there are not that many immigrants) have been quite average, the only thing that annoys me really is the accent, it makes them seem cocky and or angry, even if it's not their intention.

>>1436611
>desu
I remember writing "desu", it came out "desu"?
Is this the first symptom of a stroke?

>>1436619
what is going on

>>1436619
>I remember writing "desu", it came out "desu"?
>Is this the first symptom of a stroke?
Without a doubt

>>1436619
>>1436621

Do you smell toast desu senpai?

>>1435782
Because they resorted to screaming RACISTS!!!!! instead of actually laying out their points

>>1435846
They won't get admitted senpai, Spain won't let them

>>1433642
She looks alright for a politician but is this really what anglos consider qt? come on son.

I am a Croat who welcomed our entrance in the EU because it made us a part of Europe proper and it seemed like one step closer to realization of unified strong Europe which was a dream that existed from the time of Augustus to Napoleon and it still exists. Naturally we always felt like we were a part of Europe and were affected by all the changes in it from the time Istria was a part of province Italia, to Cherlemagne, Habsburgs and later up until WW2. But nowadays it seems EU is less all-white strong central power that could someday stand against strong economies of the US and China and its becoming more of a multicultural cesspool which would see the end of our individual identities.

>>1434798
>'ll escape from their yoke
>2 years after not taking their offer of Freedom

>>1435032
>Removing trade barriers with China is a good thing.
What the fuck am I reading, you think the EU put those there because they don't like money? Enjoy your dumping

>>1435868
Especially when the long faggotry you typed out is bs :^}

>>1435868
Brexit politicians just want to swap regulated EU labour with even lower-cost and less regulated Asian/African/Latin American labour.

>>1437699
>But nowadays
The EU has always been a multicultural cesspool that doesn't care about individual identities.

>>1437749

It's pretty factual desu famalama

I voted out because when we asked for a little we got called entitled toddlers throwing our toys out the pram while we get special treatment, then Cameron came back with nothing

The EU will not reform

>>1438159
>when we asked for a little we got called entitled toddlers throwing our toys out the pram while we get special treatment, then Cameron came back with nothing
Can you actually give a specific example on this? Or is that what your pole buddies told you to parrot?

>>1438234
>pole buddies

You realise about half of the people who voted Brexit did so BECAUSE of Poles, right? Have the north-east has been ruined by them.

e.g.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/migrants-in-britain-a-decade-on-they-came-they-worked-they-stayed-in-lincolnshire-9275661.html

>>1438234
I'm at work right now so can't give you specific links, but that was what I saw many reactions from foreign leaders and people on Twitter, I think a Portuguese minister complained we were dragging domestic issues onto the EU stage

>>1438274
>“We were the fattest town in England but the Eastern European ladies don’t tend to be a large build, so that’s brought it right down.”
lulz. Those damned immigrants.

>>1438311
>complained we were dragging domestic issues onto the EU stage
Well, since I don't know what it's all about, I'll say that this sounds fairly reasonable. Aren't you all against federalization of the EU? You want the EU to fix your domestic problems, yet you don't want close integrations, which would enable the EU to fix said problems. Honestly, this is an inherent problem within the EU. Everyone want's the EU to fix their problems as long as they don't have to pay anything in sovereignty and what not.

>>1438323
>not sure how that apostrophe got there

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it's funny how leftists have gone from hating the EU to become it's biggest shills in just a couple of years.
it's like they are contrarians and just can't agree with nationalists on anything

>>1438323
It was said in regards to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105 which as far as I'm concerned are light demands on the EU level rather than domestic issues, as they are things pushed upon member states

>>1438342
>crooked teeth
>opinion discarded

>>1433684
>Flanders
>Wallonia

>>1438347
He went against exactly the things that EU is about -close integration, yet he has still managed to reach some compromise. If your fear of commitment is that strong, then it is good you ended the relationship when you did.

>>1438379
Exactly why I voted leave, if the EU won't reform out of the values it stands for that I don't agree with then I don't want to be a part of it

>>1438383
Perhaps pigs will be more up you alley

>>1435588
Its a /pol/ infographic
its 100% true

European Union was a great idea, but it turned to shit because the politicians can not be trusted, and because people are stupid.
We should have sticked to western europe, France, Germany, UK, Benelux, Italy, harmonize our fiscal policies, and accelerate the military integration and mixed-countries operations.
I despise nationalists, but the way the european technocrats fucked it up, I can't even blame them for wanting to leave the shit show, even though they adopt a pleb dicourse akin to "we sticked it to the man, so who's stupid now?"
Democracy was a mistake

>>1437699
The thing is, the "multicultural cesspool" the EU was/is is inherent to the various countries of the block that want it to be so. Just look at Sweden or Germany. They basically took the decision to soak up all these refugees without second thought, but other countries who didn't want them, didn't get them, and the EU in fine only came up with a very reasonable refugee dissemination plan of only a couple thousand per country.

On the other hand, this whole mess was caused by pourous EU borders due to them being managed by member states. As it happens, Greece was the way in this time around, and they aren't exactly the best suited to stop the flow of refugees at this time.

Had there been a common European border control system (which is being put in place now) at the time of the crisis' outbreak, this whole mess could have been averted or at least better dealt with.

To prove my point, the left wing MSF NGO is now painting the EU as being a bad guy in their new miniseries "Johnny the Migrant Hunter", which parodies Frontex as stupid fascists because they refuse entry to the poor highly skilled migrants.

>>1433747
Actually about three or four days later they regained what was lost in that day.

>>1438437
The european technocrats didn't fuck anything up because they don't exist.

The european commission is made up of politicians from the member states, more often than not appointed to make member states happy rather than for their technical expertise: ==>Not technocrats

The council of Europe: ==>Not technocrats

The council of ministers: ==>Obviously not technocrats

The European parliament:==> Nope

The only "technocrats" are arguably the members of the ECB, and even they are not actual technocrats as they don't hold executive or legislative power.

Let's face it, if the EU was actually run by technocrats rather than politicians it would actually work better.

>>1438469
No. The pound is still lower than pre-Brexit and the FTSE 250 hasn't made a complete recovery, although it should soon enough, true. However one should keep in mind the Brexit hasn't actually happened yet, and until it does, uncertainty will gripe the UK industry and financial sectors, hampering growth even more than if the Brexit had been already set in motion.

>>1433999
What the fuck are you on about?
Plus the UK usually has higher standards than the rest of Europe.

>>1438437
>European Union was a great idea, but it turned to shit because the politicians can not be trusted, and because people are stupid.
It still is a great idea, and it's probably the greatest thing that happened on this godforsaken Earth. It always tops the list of the HDI, living standards, etc. If there is Heaven on Earth, this would come as close to it as possible.

>>1438507
>Plus the UK usually has higher standards than the rest of Europe.
Except in dentist.

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>>1433515
>can we talk about European Union and its history?
A race mixing project for a globalist agenda that will serve God's people as it was written in the beginning of time.

^this is literally all you need to know.

>>1438520
>Britain owns half the Africa and most of the Middle East.
the irony.

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>>1438525
Yeah.. The plan was written a long time ago, thus the brittish "owning" India. But they still continue it's original purpose to this day.

They give out prizes to all people who are involved with "European Integration". It's called the Charlemagne Prize, Merkel received one along with the philosophical cofounder of the union.

>>1435747
>existentialist threat of communism
The word you're looking for is existential.

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>>1435588
The quote is "fake" but the message is true:

Original quote:

>The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. TheEurasian-Negroidrace of the future, similar in its appearance to theAncient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. ...

>Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.

Coudenhove-Kalergi, Richard Nikolaus (1925).Praktischer Idealismus[Practical Idealism](in German). Wien-Leipzig: Pan-Europa-Verlag. UBR069031840355

>>1438417
/pol/ is always right. Always.

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The EU is a power grab by politicians across the continent who want to be free from democratic accountability, and get rich while at it.

It's pretty fucking obvious too. The bureaucrats' wages and tax exemptions are ridiculous. They use every crisis to push for further integration, including the ones their policies are directly responsible for. They're deep in bed with major banks and corporations, buying them off by making continent-wide laws to protect them. When José Manuel Barroso got succeeded by Juncker, he landed a nice cushy job at Goldman Sachs.

The EU is not a project for lasting peace. It is not a project to improve the quality of life and secure the rights of the average European. It is nothing but a project to cement the political and business elite's position by removing all accountability and competition, and if it won't be stopped then Europe will soon find itself mired in tyranny and lasting economic stagnation or recession.

Here's to hoping that Britain leaving is the first nail in its coffin, and that it can all come apart without fascists or commies taking over any country.

>>1438517
You cheeky cunt.

>>1438540
>brits
>owning
the brits always knew they were sitting on a tinderbox and went out of their way to placate indian sentiments.

>>1438612

Hear hear!

We the people will not stand to stop them though

>>1435585
No, it's probably because he like many other people didn't imagine that the Leave vote was ever going to win like most people before the referendum.

>>1435217
>Britain will leave the EU
But it won't really. It'll just leave the EU parliament and lose its rights to have any active part in the Unions legislation.

>>1436611
>I live in a wealthy area of a capital city
>why haven't I seen any immigrants?, they mustn't be that much of a problem
I wonder lad

>>1433517
stop derailing

>people acting like the sky will fall in because we left
Difficult times do lie ahead but I think this is a great opportunity for our country to make its mark in the world outwith the EU. I hope (perhaps optimistically) that the UK as a whole can get behind the decision to leave and work towards getting there. The main obstacle to Brexit working is internal division.

EU Commission and to a lesser extent ECJ being the judicial arm of the Commission are the real problems.

EU generally goes through periods of supranationalist and intergovernmentalist approaches, depending on how bad the times are. Right now it should scale down the binding, then some 10-15 years down the line if things stabilise it should go more supranational again. Unfortunately the current Commission is batshit crazy and wants to go full union which won't fly well with anyone.

>>1438520
Britain didn't own that much of the middle east

>>1438540
Eurosceptics really love to focus on Kalergi don't they? You know Otto von Habsburg was also one of the greatest proponents of European integration, and he sure didn't want a "superior race" to emerge in Europe. It may come as a surprise to you, but not all Pro-Paneuropeans are diabolical reincarnations of Kalergi the Hivemind.

Plus your map just shows French and Dutch colonies as being part of Pan-Europa, duh. It's not a "race mixing agenda"

>European Union is neither European nor a Union
Discuss

>>1435588
>>1438417
>>1438584

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutherland

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

:^)

>>1438514
>>1438514

>implying these factors were not at play before the EU ever became a thing

Europe + the West already had the highest standards of living in the world before the European Union was ever a thing.

>I was born at the time when global crime began its downward trend in the early 90's, guess I'm responsible for all the lower crime rates :^)

>>1439430
1. It's Kalergi's map. Not mine.

2. Kalergi is the very core of the European Union and his plan is very much still in effect. He was the first receiver of the Charlemagne Prize which is basically a multiculturalism contest. The current Pope was the last receiver of this " prestigious award".

3. Kalergi does not talk about creating a "superior race". He talks about degrading the European white race, Kalergi has already found his superior race: the Jewish semitic race.

4. It's mostly about degrading intelligence and divide/conquer tactics. The EU is a way of pacifying Europeans with shiny things and authoritarian legislation into submitting to their own destruction. The idea that a country isn't " rich" or has good standards of living if not an EU-country is part of that propaganda campaign.

And Von Habs. Was a multiculturalist at heart, wanting to strengthen the bonds between Abrahamist faiths. Surely a noble idea, just as noble as seizing the means of production. But it won't work, unless we are all deranged mongrels of a people.

>He was known as a supporter of the rights ofrefugeesand displaced people in Europe, notably of the ethnic Germans displaced from Bohemia where he was once the Crown Prince. He also held Francisco Francoin a high regard and praised him for helping refugees, stating that he was "a dictator of the South American type, not totalitarian like Hitler or Stalin"

It really doesn't matter what Pan-europeanists consider themselves as or what they wanted. They're not in charge. Supporting a diabolical plan and helping that plan entail is treason enough.

The EU is a pyramid scheme to fuck people over why the elite gets richer from it. The difference is that we are too well off and too employed to realise it's happening. Oh how we will wake up when the Stormfag log awaited race war comes. When people realize that you can't plunge people together without balkanisation around the corner.

>>1439584
while the elite gets richer...

*additional spelling errors may apply*

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>>1438520
>This guy tells the truth and it's a Bad Thing!
https://youtu.be/kmDuPccLON4

>These two tell the truth and it's a Good Thing!
https://youtu.be/1LbRqcdRTUQ
https://youtu.be/bDaKFE_J_ug

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>>1439480
>EUROPEAN
>UNION

>>1439584
1. It's Kalergi's map. Not mine.

Doesn't disprove the fact than the only reason Africa is part of the union is because it was colonised at the time, not for multiculti purposes.

2. Kalergi is the very core of the European Union and his plan is very much still in effect.

How is his plan still put in effect by the EU? What plan what that be by the way? The multiracial one? Because most immigrants came to Europe at the behest of national governments, certainly not at that of the EEC.

. The EU is a way of pacifying Europeans with shiny things and authoritarian legislation into submitting to their own destruction.

What shiny things? What authoritarian legislation? The legislation passed through an elected parliament, or the one proposed by ministers of the member states?

>The idea that a country isn't " rich" or has good standards of living if not an EU-country is part of that propaganda campaign.

What are you even on about?

>It really doesn't matter what Pan-europeanists consider themselves as or what they wanted. They're not in charge.

Oh; who is then?

>The EU is a pyramid scheme to fuck people over why the elite gets richer from it.

Which elites? The British ones that voted for Brexit because they wanted a libertarian tax haven paradise? Or the ones represented by usual lobbies which are at least placed under greater scrutiny in the EU than they are in most countries?

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All laws and multicultural changes are endorsed and forced by the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/13/eu-officials-finalise-common-asylum-system-resettle-refugees

Nations who refuse to take part in EU's population mixup are prone to sanctions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/01/poland-gets-official-warning-from-eu-over-constitutional-court-changes

http://www.politico.eu/article/sanctions-considered-for-refugees-migrants-quota-crisis-opt-out/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36202490

Blaming it on nations and their decisions is just simplifying bullshit. Everyone knows that once you're in the EU you won't regain control of your country until you leave. If you leave.

>Oh; who is it then?
The top EU-officials and lobbyists involved in the schemery.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/20/soros-lays-out-his-plan-for-europe-to-avoid-george-migrants.html

EU is unsavable. I give it +50 years (this is generous) before it descends into continental "civil war".