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Understanding the Orthodox conception of Theosis 2016-07-19 02:46:23 Post No. 1432192
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Understanding the Orthodox conception of Theosis
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2016-07-19 02:46:23
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Let us think of vinegar as human nature, and oil as divine nature. Christ was like a cup filled with both (the Chalcedonian description of this would be "two liquids, oil and vinegar, without separation", the miaphysite description would be "one liquid, oil and vinegar, without mixture or confusion"). But the vinegar of Christ (here representing human nature) was different from other vinegar in that it was not contaminated by poison (even Mary, though she did not *create* anymore poison to contaminate vinegar, still suffered from the poison herself that had been in spreading in creation since the fall, that is what brought about her dormition).
Now we are all just vinegar (that means the human mind, soul, spirit, and body, all distinct concepts in Orthodox philosophy), and we are mixed with poison. But our vinegar can achieve a *communion* with the oil, and therefore become as one with it in the same way Christ's vinegar was--that is to the point that our vinegar no longer maintains distinct hypostasis, but shares the hypostasis of the oil (but doesn't transform into oil). This is achieved both spiritually (through things like stillness and contemplation of the divine) and physically (most particularly through Communion, where we add Christ's vinegar with our own in order to achieve the relationship of his vinegar to his oil).
Hope that makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9p---FA48s
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The *poison* by the way here means sin (not necessarily sinning, since, like Mary, things can suffer from sin without being guilty of it, all creation does).
Also, the poison is dissolved by Christ's blood. That is what purify's our vinegar. Thus even though we are vinegar and have a "sinful nature" (poisonous nature), vinegar is not naturally poisonous, human nature is not sinful, rather our sinfulness is a secondary nature taken on which *impairs our humanity* (just like the vinegar is impaired by being mixed with 90% poison, since it is barely even vinegar at that point).
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Can we all agree that O Virgin Pure is the best hymn
https://youtu.be/ncckxAjp8uY
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>>1432192
Hi Constantine.
You suck. Jesus was not born from sodomy, you filthy heretic.
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>>1432213
It's pretty good, but so are Chirstos Anesti (such at Christ's Resurrection) and the Lamentations (sung during Christ's annual funeral at the end of Lent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6-u_6dZ8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIyNyJySsE
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>>1432220
I know he wasn't.
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>>1432192
I have a rare accurate depiction of Constantine here
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>>1432213
Only when you understand russian.
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>>1432246
The original is in Greek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
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>>1432213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-mSmEfLmZc
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>>1432220
>Jesus was not born from sodomy, you filthy heretic.
Orthodox believe that?
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>>1432271
No, he was being facetious.
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>>1432253
That's not a hymn you generally hear at church. Agni Parthene (O Virgin Pure) is sung on a frequent basis at my parish as the closing hymn after the liturgy.
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>>1432438
How so? Theology and religion officially belongs on this board.
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