Christians, why is wrong to masturbate?

Because god said it is?

some old jewish religious book said not to

Why masturbate when you can fuck the tight, virgin pussy of Jephthah's daughter's corpse?

Your hands will grow hair

>>1429641
why is there neither obvious reason for that or an illuminating parable

why are we made to choose between reason and faith this way

>>1429641
>God, the creator of the entire universe, has an opinion on whether you should masturbate
>but he's a-okay with keeping slaves
>also rapists should be "punished" by marriage to their victims
>but don't you fap, that's a sin!

Because it is a sexual action outside of Marriage, thus going against its purpose.

>>1429684
what if my wife asked me to masturbate in front of her?

>>1429641
This

>>1429698
Perversion, you should beat her for that

>>1429698
Kill the harlot

>>1429620
I'm not Christian, but I conjecture the idea that before germ theory, they just figured a dude touching his dick and kaking onto stuff was pretty gross, so they just wanted him to only do it into a vagina.
Probably some douchebag decided to shoot spunk onto random people as a kink and one day got a priest (or several priests), and thus God decides it's not okay to masturbate.

>>1429620
Because it is unnatural.

Sex's foremost goal is reproduction, and anything that deviates from the end effect of reproduction is immoral.

>>1429620
Because it distracts you from having a loving relationship and making babies. The proliferation of masturbation and pornography is the reason why birth rates are falling and the west is dying.

>>1429698
That is called foreplay, and as long as it ends in its proper purpose, the union of husband and wife with an openness to life, it is allowed, and sometimes even encouraged.

>>1429684
If a sexual action outside of marriage is bad, why it's even possible and even desirable by design? On other words, if God wanted for people to have sex for reproduction only, why did he use endorphins no healthy person can resist?

>>1429744
what total bullshit. birthrates are falling in the west because of simple economics. in urban areas, especially with child labor laws, having children is a huge drain on money with no return on the investment

>>1429730
but no one thinks that. why would you post?

>>1429730
>unnatural
there's a lot of things that are unnatural and allowed under your morality. it is unnatural to use deodorant. god made your sweat glands for a reason and he wants you to reek. it isn't like i have a limited supply of semen. my balls will continue to make more even in old age. how about after I masturbate in front of my wife I scoop up the semen and place it in her vagina? would that make you happy?

>>1429620
Because it is sterile stimulation of the flesh.

>>1429620
I was told that masturbation was wrong because of onan
>After Onan's brother Er dies his father Judah told him to fulfill his duty to his brother by entering into a levirate marriage with his brother's widow Tamar to give her offspring.
Religion professor Tikva Frymer-Kensky has pointed out the economic repercussions of a levirate marriage: any son born to Tamar would be deemed the heir of the deceased Er, and able to claim the firstborn's double share of inheritance. However, if Er were childless, Onan would have inherited as the oldest surviving son.[3]

>When Onan had sex with Tamar, he withdrew before climax[4] and "spilled his seed on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir.[5]
>The next statement in the bible says that Onan did evil and that God slew him.[6]
Apparently some people interpreted this as God saying spilling your seed is wrong

>>1429620
It releases powerful energies. If you want to become one with a monad, you must contain your fluids to better achive pneumatichood.

>>1429620
Because it will lower your testosterone and possibly give you ED.

>>1429620
Christians have extremely low self steem and thus think that anything that is pleasant is inherently wrong.

>>1429620
Mathew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I'm Muslim by the way but it's quite clear that lust outside of marriage is a sinful temptation in most religions.

>>1429914
It doesn't say anything about lusting after a boy dressed like a girl though does it?

>>1429763
masturbate > the same chemical release as if its sex > less inclination to go out and hunt for the grills as you're already gaining the same releases

bretty simple

not to mention the psychological retardation that is porn
>masturbation to someone else fucking the girl that you want to fuck
it's self-incuckination

>>1429641
Where?

>>1429673
Not even christian but how is it faith if backed by reason or logic?

>>1429620
Misuse of the sexual facilities.

>>1429730
If it was unnatural it wouldn't be found in every human culture across the world.

Same for Sodomy and the like.

Try again.

>>1429675
>but he's a-okay with keeping slaves
He really isn't. Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude and was always supposed to have a difinitive "end" point. Besides, He can permit an evil if it serves a utility for the time being. It doesn't nullify wrongness, however. Like letting a 12 year old sip wine at Christmas.

>also rapists should be "punished" by marriage to their victims
>shoplifters should be "punished" by buying what they stole

>but don't you fap, that's a sin
Non-unitive misuse of sexuality.

>>1429914
What if I don't use or imagine any fap material and I just do it for the sheer physical pleasure? Is it ok then?

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>>1429641

>>1429730
>Because it is unnatural.
Animals masturbate. Try again.

>>1431678
Sodomy was condemned in most human cultures though (Greeks and Romans aside). All societies have murders but consider it evil. "Natural" has a more subtle meaning in Natural Law Theory than "things that happen"

>>1432170
Humans are animals.

>>1431673
faith is in things you don't know. opposing things that you do know starts to look more like superstition.

>>1432200
Correct, but I meant animals to mean nonhumans

>>1429620
Because it fucked up your grammar

>>1429675
There's literally nothing intrinsically wrong with slavery, and "rape" in that verse meant seducing an unmarried virgin (nobody else would marry her after that)

>>1431678
Unnatural in this context means it goes against the Telos of sexuality

>>1432221
>There's literally nothing intrinsically wrong with slavery
>Christian displays no regard for the dignity of his fellow human beings
Shocking.

>>1432206
My point was just that it's pointless to consider that only humans can ennact in unnatural behaviour. Sure our most gifted cousins and other intelligent animals are capable.

The other possibility being that no action can be unnatural, not even human actions.>>1432206

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>>1432228

See>>1431697

>>1429641
My mother says that masturbate is good.

My mom> god

>>1432757
>implying indentured servitude isn't fucking wrong

>>1429833
>>1429860
meme

>>1431665
Not all porn is cuck porn, retard.

>>1432195
So what does "natural" mean then?

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>>1432767
It was, but it was hardly the same as "bound in chains and beaten into line." It was kinda like "you owe me so you'll work off your debt. Unless it's Jubilee soon, then you work until then and your debt is forgiven and you are free."

Biblical slave laws were framed in the "remember how shit Egypt was? You can have slaves because of the utility at this time of human existence, but you can't treat them like Egypt treated you, which is pretty much the standard for all societies at this point. Also you NEED to free them eventually and I will mandate a slave freeing every 50 years"

>>1432767
If the master isn't a sadistic or greedy shit it isn't that bad

>>1432784
No, but that's a guarantee you can never have.

>>1432789
Not any more than you can guarantee that tomorrow you won't have an aneurysm.

It's life

>>1432784
It's still being the property of another human being. In theory any slavery isn't "that bad" if your master isn't an awful human being, but that's not the fucking point.

>>1432784
Which to Biblical Israel was mandated to be like the premise of Ika Musume, sans the titular charachter's invasion scheme. Squid Girl broke a beachside foodshack and its owners force her to work off the cost of the damages.

>>1432221
>"rape" in that verse meant...
Just like
"son of God" only meant "spiritual man"
"commandments" just meant "advice"
"in the beginning" realy meant "13.4 billion years"
"honor the sabbath" meant "play the back 9"
"stone to death" meant "a slap on the wrist"

>>1431697
Do you actually believe what you say?

Using a millenias of year old jewish rulebook for social norm at the times to justify things and crimes that happens now?

>>1432800
Would you prefer to be slaughtered on the spot?

>>1432821
Probably not, but something worse being an option doesn't justify it, in a universe of potentially infinite outcomes.

>>1432794
The probabilities are totally different though.

>>1432816
kek

>>1429620
Here's what jews think:
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It is forbidden to release sperm wastefully.50 Therefore a person should not enter his wife and ejaculate outside of her.51 A man should not marry a minor who is not fit to give birth.52

Those who, however, release sperm with their hands, beyond the fact that they commit a great transgression, a person who does this will abide under a ban of ostracism. Concerning them, it is said: "Your hands are filled with blood." It is as if they killed a person.

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It is forbidden for a person to intentionally cause himself to have an erection or to bring himself to [sexual] thoughts. If a [sexual] thought comes to his mind, he should divert his heart from profligate and destructive matters to the words of Torah53 which are "a beloved hind, arousing favor."54 For this reason, it is forbidden for a person to sleep on his back with his face upward,55 Instead, he should turn to the side slightly so that he will not develop an erection.

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One should not look at animals, beasts, and fowls at the time the males and females are coupling. It is, however, permitted for a breeder of livestock to insert a male animal's organ in a female's. Since he is working in his profession, he will not be motivated to [sexual] thoughts.

21
Similarly, it is forbidden for a man to look at woman while they do laundry. It is even forbidden to look at the colored56 garments of a woman one knows,57 lest one be motivated to [sexual] thoughts.

Imagine Einstein masturbates.

>>1431697
>He really isn't. Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude
For Israelites enslaving Israelites, yes.
But when Israelites enslaved foreigners, they were effectively practising chattel slavery.
It says so in the OT, if you ever bother to read it.

>>1429620
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is greate,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

>>1433180
What's the joke?

>>1429620
I always thought they had zero fap tolerance because all the boys were busy fapping than doing work all day.

>>1429620
waste

>>1433186

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

>>1432221
>"rape" in that verse meant seducing an unmarried virgin

It covers that, yes. But it ALSO covers abducting a woman and forcing her to fuck you, ie, rape. But why am I surprised a Christian is a liar?

>>1433877
>But why am I surprised a Christian is a liar?
Back to your containment board.

>>1434393
>HIRR

It's funny because you can't prove me wrong. Christians are the most shameless liars in the world.

>>1431697
>Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude
Unless you married into it.This is also only true in treatment of hebrew slaves.
This counter argument is so patently false that mentioning now is only juvenile.

>>1429620
Temptation lust desire adultery desecrating your temple

>>1434443
None of those are masturbation though.

>>1434452
They cause it or you do it because of those things or you think about them when you do it

>>1432767
I'm talking to you, and to you only, no one else
If you ever comeback to this thread to see whether there are more responses or not, take a look at this justification down below. You have first world dwellers, being okay with "indentured servitude or slaughter" having guilty feelings regarding their thoughts on sasha grey.

>>1434408
I'm not a Christian.

>>1429620
It's not. This concept comes from a fundamentally flawed understanding of the story of Onan.

Because Christians have a healthy view of sexuality.

Makes me laugh when the people who have sex with their own hands, watch other people having sex on the internet, have meaningless literally depressing sex with total strangers, spread diseases, think fag sex is equal to the love of man and wife, et al., try to act like they're the ones with the healthy view of sex.

>>1435244
>what is Natural Law?

>>1435351

Yeah, or sexually abuse altar boys and cover it up on an industrial scale

Oh wait

>>1435376
>industrial scale

I don't think you know what that means.

No Christian will defend child abuse. Plenty of your partisans will earnestly defend an inherently cuckolded and deeply pathetic act like masturbation. Just look at this thread.

>>1435376
Someone else. You say it like all Christians do this. Only a few priest have done this. It's not like the degenerates today that go around sleeping with everyone

>>1435400
>>1435414
>no true scotsman fallacy
Come on now.

>>1435425
I know we offended you by saying your compulsive porn addiction is not as healthy as a Christian couple's lovemaking, but that's no excuse to totally forget the proper definition of a fallacy.

>>1432817
When did I ever say that? Im justifying it in the context of what it was then. There's a reason it's lumped along side Jesus saying "God allowed divorce in Moses' day because you guys were being dicks, and now He doesn't want you doing it anymore."

>>1435357
a spook

>>1435400
Why would a Christian do something that they refuse to defend?

>>1435414
>casual sex is worse than raping little boys!
wew lad

>>1432773
>What does "natural" mean then

Google the article "whose nature? which law?" on Edward Feser's blog.

>So, for the natural law theorist, certain things are “natural” for us in the sense of tending to fulfill those ends the realization of which constitutes our flourishing as the kinds of thing we are.

>>1435400
>No Christian will defend child abuse.

By covering it up, they absolutely did. But I'm not in the camp of thinking that's typical Christian behaviour.

>Plenty of your partisans will earnestly defend an inherently cuckolded and deeply pathetic act like masturbation.

Words mean things you know. You can't be cuckolded by someone you're not in an intimate relationship with, and whether it's pathetic or not is a matter of personal opinion. Considering it's something basically everyone does on instinctively, I'd personally say calling it pathetic can only stem from some truly idiotic hangups.

>>1435971
Aquinus was just as autistic as Striner, but Aqunius was smart enough to realize this and not let his autism affect his philosophy

>>1436031
Other way around. Stirner was just as autistic as Aquinas, but he didn't sperg out by trying to mash the beliefs of a pagan philosopher into a fundamentally incompatible religion, and instead just engaged in passive commentary on idealism

>>1436027
It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men. You're the chimpanzee stroking his penis in the corner watching the alpha have all the mates.

>Considering it's something basically everyone does on instinctively

Nice porn industry propaganda. Modern hunter gatherers don't even know what masturbation is, and it has long been considered shameful and effeminate by cultures which know it existed.

>I'd personally say calling it pathetic can only stem from some truly idiotic hangups.

Yes, you are truly enlightened for fucking your hand while better men are out with actual women.

Because masturbation is bad for you, it makes you fine with being alone short term and long term it can actually cause you depression.

Sure fapping during puberty is no big deal but back in the day you got married when you were 15 so you never needed it to relieve pressure

>>1436197
>It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men
Watching lesbian porn isn't cuckolded though. It's actually less cuckolded than HAVING normal sex.

>>1436197
>You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men. You're the chimpanzee stroking his penis in the corner watching the alpha have all the mates.
God /pol/ is funny when they pretend to know anything about psychology.

>>1436197
>It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men.

That's still not being cuckolded. Your mate has not committed infidelity against you. I'd assume a Christian would understand what fidelity and infidelity are.

>Nice porn industry propaganda. Modern hunter gatherers don't even know what masturbation is, and it has long been considered shameful and effeminate by cultures which know it existed.

So is that why young boys in isolated regions seem to manage figuring it out just fine on their own? Back up your claims or shut up.

>Yes, you are truly enlightened for fucking your hand while better men are out with actual women.

False dichotomy. Masturbation and a healthy social life, or even pursuing a relationship are not mutually exclusive. Would it blow your mind to find out that even men in relationships still jerk it?

>>1436197
>>1436617
>>1436974
>>1436986
I'm not really in the argument but what do you guys think about when you fap thinking of a woman? What about a picture?

>>1437014
Sexy things? Add little details like what kind of perfume she might wear, the heat of her sweat. Pretty basic shit for some 4chan tard.

>>1437023
I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I was talking about if that's considered cuckdom or whatever you're talking about.

>>1437112
Cuckold simply means getting off to watching your significant other get fucked by someone else. That's literally it.

/pol/ has expanded it into some bizzare, psuedo-freudian sexual-political mental horseshit, and you'd do well just to fap and enjoy yourself.

>>1437146
This. The term is just a reflection of /pol/'s unique brand of sexual and personal insecurity. It honestly says more about them than it does anyone they've ever used it as an insult against.

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>>1431697
>also rapists should be "punished" by marriage to their victims
>shoplifters should be "punished" by buying what they stole
This is why I don't like going outside.

Im an 18yo catholic. I masturbate almost 5 time a week since I was like 14. I don't see a problem.

>>1437146
>>1437171
No you morons, it means raising someone else's child, the implication being that your wife is unsatisfied with you, therefore you are not manly enough. They are calling you faggots by another name

>>1429620
Pls help me guys, its really hard to stop. Pray for me please.

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>>1429751
Our marriage laws and conditions are totally different now. Sometimes I wish they weren't. Pretty sure those who marry young end up with lower divorce rates.

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>>1437731
>those who marry young end up with lower divorce rates.

>>1431697
Leviticus 25:45-46. The expectation of an end point was only for Jews, heathens were fair game for indefinite periods of servitude.

>>1429620
Consider the mindset of one who does these things. You think awful thoughts about all these women. You derive pleasure from watching people debase themselves infront of you. Men become predators, women helpless victims.

Consider that we are all human beings, of eternal value and made in God's image. We certainly ought to have the utmost respect for each other.

Furthermore, it becomes an addiction and an idol. You often hear secular people talk about their inability to abstain from porn for more than a couple of weeks. Pornographic images flood your mind 24/7. You persue women for your own pleasure, dicarding the ones which appear less beatiful and obsessing over those whom you consider attractive. How terrible that one feels one cannot survive without such evils.

>>1437770
Why that face, it's empirically proven

>>1429620
Because lust itself is a sin. More than likely, if you masturbate, you do so while either looking at porn or imagining lustful things. Giving into those lustful desires is sinful. That being said, I crank it about every night

>>1437953
>You think awful thoughts about all these women.
Some do. I'm pretty tame, save for the occasional rough sex.

>You derive pleasure from watching people debase themselves infront of you
So? The vast majority of them signed up for it and got a check afterwards.

>Men become predators, women helpless victims.
I really doubt you'd enjoy living in a country with strong pornography laws.

> of eternal value and made in God's image.
That's your opinion and really is no one else's business.

> to have the utmost respect for each other
Thus why I generally respect those that perform porn and those that consume porn.

> it becomes an addiction and an idol
For some, not many.

>people talk about their inability to abstain from porn for more than a couple of weeks
It's a perfect creature comfort, really. Hard to pass up something so easily attainable with little consequence.

>Pornographic images flood your mind 24/7
No they don't lol.

>You persue women for your own pleasure
And? Part of my pleasure is meeting new people.

>dicarding the ones which appear less beatiful and obsessing over those whom you consider attractive
So?

>>1437965
>gives no source
Not to mention every young marriage I've ever seen has been a disaster. People have a lot of growth to go through before reaching their 40's.

>>1437953

>Consider that we are all human beings, of eternal value and made in God's image. We certainly ought to have the utmost respect for each other.

Have you ever read up on the history of your own religion? Because if you did, you'd discover that valuing all humans is pretty much the last thing Christianity does

>>1437985
Not the guy you're arguing with, but the fact that a great many self-proclaimed adherents to a religion do not actually follow its precepts is not a very good indication that the religion does not teach them. Many Roman Catholics are pro-abortion and still receive the host in the Mass. And many Muslims drink alcohol. That doesn't mean they are being faithful to their religions.

>>1432862
I remember this novel written by a jew ho grew up in an orthodox family and he was completely feeling guilty to masturbate because of this. That didnt stop him from doing multiple shoahs everyday, to put it in his own words

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>>1429620
waste of protein strings and minerals. weakens ur teeth etc

cum inside bitches for reproduction or not at all, (multiple) ideally..

thats cumming. play with and pleassure ur senses sure i guess but it comes to personal balance of work; hesoid, socrates, etc (u tell me other egs)

It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” ― Socrates.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodWorksDays.html

>>1432226
The "telos" of sexuality is whatever the one who holds it wants. Which includes masturbation. Saying it's "unnatural" is asinine. It's not artificial.

>>1437232
You clearly have no understanding of historical context, but you certainly seem to like to replying with snarky comments and totally epic reaction pictures. What he is trying to say with the analogy is they marry their victims because nobody else would marry them after that, as a non-virgin female. In this sense, they are buying the goods that they stole. It's far better for the woman to be married than unmarried and undesirable to anyone. Anyone who's read a western novel published about a century ago should know this dude..

>>1438651
This. Marriage back then was pretty much the only way for women to succeed in life, they couldn't go out and have a good career, they needed to find a husband they could support and be supported by. Forcing the rapist to marry them meant they weren't left out as completely not marriage worthy, and were guaranteed to be provided for.

People have a bad tendency of viewing laws like that from a modern perspective, which is really not useful at all.

Oh, and our court system still forces shoplifters to pay for what they steal, it's extremely rare that you'll get prison for shoplifting unless you're making a career out of shoplifting jewelry or some shit and can obviously never pay off that debt, it's nearly always just a fine and community service.

>>1429620

Because sperm is the beginning of life.

Women can masturbate as much as they want. Bible just doesn't want people wasting sperm.

Semetic spirituality says that dude butter contains the soul of a being, so bringing milky man tears into this life and not have them be incubated in a womb is the equivalent to murder

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>>1429620
You lose your viriya and short circuit your mind.

>>1429641
/thread

>>1439041
>women back in the day
>succeed in life

And where is the success in marrying your rapist exactly ?

>>1439478
You're doing exactly what I said, you're comparing what we view as success to what was viewed as success then. Not starving and being able to raise a family is success back then.

By marrying your rapist, you're guaranteeing your future, as it would be extremely difficult for someone to find a husband if they're known as the rape victim.

>>1429620
Not a christian but I'm pretty sure that's a misinterpretation, it was more about him not impregnating his brother's widow by finishing himself off than masturbation in on itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>1432195
False comparison

Murder can justified as a crime outside of metaphysical mumbo jumbo.

No one's ever died of the gay, no one needs protecting from the gay.

And no STDs can be transmitted regardless and has to do with hygene, so is irreverent.

>Sodomy was condemned in most human cultures
Bullshit

>>1434393
What containment board?

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Omg dude dont engage with these people.

>>1435351
>Because Christians have a healthy view of sexuality.
Top kek

>>1432783
So a lesser evil is acceptable? Owning a human being for any amount of time is in any way acceptable?

And I'm supposed to take moral lessons from this book? Are you high?

>>1439177
If you don't masturbate its wasted anyway. Sperm only live 8 hours or something.

>>1439441
>the leftist is anti-individualist
>yet the right labels expression of individualism as a godless commie plot to destroy the West

>>1440106
/lgbt/

>>1429620
low quality bate

>>1440152

It's a few days unless you have an excess build up.

But it also goes back into your body.

They wouldn't have known that back then, though.

>>1440159
Why there?

>>1440212
Then its just a silly superstition. And an unhealthy one at that.

>>1440315

Welcome to every religion that doesn't adhere to philosophy nor the acceptance that our ancestors may have been morons.

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There's difficulty in life. Even the most powerful man on earth would face death, the ultimate difficulty.
Some people comprehend this, and ACCEPT: the reality the way it is. They find joy in the true self-realization, including all the pain, they live life the way it is.
For example: a man becames a father, although he is going to share much of his life for the sake of another person's life, from whom he probalbly will not get anything in return, even so, he gives himself, his life, freely, because he has LOVE. Love for this 'life adventure'.

However, others are weak and try to scape reality, sometimes (I) searching ways to satisfy themselves, struggling to make their problems (like be lonely, unknown, unloved ) SEEM overshadowed.
Example: who that drinks till he's unconcious, or use drugs, or gorge greedily, or search sexual pleasure... he struggles to fill more contentment and less sorrow.
But this is a life of LIE, because when the momentary satisfaction goes away, the person is left alone, with no less problems, no better life, no improve, but more sad, more deeply empty.

When one masturbate, he does nothing more than be seated, alone, in a dark room, deliberated stimulating genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. He is somehow drugging himself, trying to find happiness, but finding nothing. Afterwards he'll be a lonely guy, in a dar room, with nothing but impotency, fragility, depression, fantasies... crazy

Because he wastes his energy in a selfish attempt of forget suffering (loneliness) and find happines in a illusion, he is not BEING, he is NOT-BEING, he already dead, he is sick.

See why masturbation is bad? The Catechism says "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose".

What does it mean? That the perfect life is achieved when one IS what he IS, living life like life is (his purpose), God doesn't want us to live a half, sad, life, but a full and fruitful life.

>>1439478
How are people this retarded, intellectual enough to have an interest in history?

struggles to feel*

dark* room

he is* already

Sorry, not a native English speaker.

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>>1440428
>tl:dr all masturbators are aimless degenerates

This reminds one of the general Christian idea that everyone outside of their belief system is experiencing a bleak, nihilistic life.

>>1431665
If you got the same release from masturbating as from sex we wouldn't exist to begin with, the evolutionary disadvantage is blatant.

>>1440106
r/atheism

>>1429620
You're not sharing.

>>1440487
There's a reason Nietzsche characterized them as nihilists.

>>1441440
Yeah, because the poor dude was so sick most of the time to even consider sexual activity. Not to mention all the opium would prevented erections.

>>1429730
Animals do it. Fuck, human babies even do it.

>>1441559
>human babies
You're going to need to source this degeneracy friend
Also
>animals do it
Animals shit in the open as well, I would remind you

>>1441143
After I masturbate I slurp up the semen and then spit it into my girlfriend's mouth. is that sharing enough?

>>1441564
and shitting outside isn't a sin as far as i'm aware

>>1441564
>this degeneracy
It's a fucking baby you pretentious 16th century asshole.

>>1441762
>lmao you don't think about babies masturbating how old fashioned
Still I see no source
>>1441595
It is actually, but to justify an action by saying that animals do it as well is pure sophistry

*yawn*

>>1441801
No, your model around the word degeneracy is archaic.

Not even the anon that brought up this, but since this is so common happening, a whole website dedicated to babycare addresses it.
http://www.babycenter.com/0_masturbation_11558.bc
http://kidshealth.org/en/parents/development.html#

You're incredulity doesn't demonstrate any intelligence, btw. This is easy enough for a child to figure out

>baby explores body
>finds some parts feel good when touched than others
>start touching those parts more

>>1441801
>It is actually, but to justify an action by saying that animals do it as well is pure sophistry

When the claim is that it's "unnatural" pointing out that it occurs all the fucking time in nature is not unreasonable. What the hell is wrong with you?

>>1441448
No, because their ideology is nothing more than an extremely thin skin against the crushing weight of the universe and eternity, and their complete inability to envisage the world as possessing merit on its own has caused them to latch onto a bizarre, otherworldly cause as a means to escape the despair of an uncaring and ambiguous existence.

>>1429744
Good, who honestly unironically gives a single shit if the human race dies out

>>1441949
here's the Masturbator's Ideology:

>shit nigga this feels good

>>1441977
I was referring to Christians.

>>1441979
hah sorry m8, sometimes it's hard to tell on this board

>>1441984
I should have been clearer in the initial post about Nietzsche. Though as I've heard Nietzsche wasn't fond of masturbation either, for reasons similar to why he wasn't fond of alcohol.

>>1441987
Both I'd again contend had as much to do with his health problems. Much like the lactose intolerant man writing about the evils of the dairy industry, there may be some truth out of what is ultimately a personal bias.

I think this text

Some obsessive thing can be done until bloody unlivability. But it can't be put into it's right proportion

1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor a.....

..........12 “I have the right to do anything,........ ⇐ This is still true while the apostle propagates ordinance, against abuse of freedom by powerful people and some other thing that doesn't fit in a sentence.

Thread recap : once again Christian guilt complex strikes agains.

"If we cannot be happy, well, no one else should !"

>>1442138
That makes absolutely no sense anon. There's nothing stopping Christian's from jerking off if they felt like it, and even if someone else did it, it's not left to us to judge.

Most of the thread has been saying it's based off a easily misinterpreted line though.

>>1442138
>jerking off makes him happy
What a sad life you lead

>>1438009
By your logic Islam really IS the religion of peace.

Why "Christians" in particular ?

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>>1429675
>>but he's a-okay with keeping slaves
So here we have our proof that the Bible sometimes speaks in time related issues

>>1437953
It has its proportion. How enormous the mistake would be. But you would say that Romans 14 is not valid?

...nothing is unclean in itself....

But how is the official stance on the Bible and the influence of the day some things were written in? I mean that there can be found an enormous amount of time and place related rethoric in the New testament and the Old testament. Like Romans 1: 26 and beyond and before. The writer talks to the unwieldy simply bad quality culture of the Romans. In which they had to fork out a place. While competing with some orgy culture or anything some rich people would say. This brackish culture is even still part of today. It was just taken along. Even though christian culture did become wide enough to do something about these temporal clumsinesses. I think some people had to be taken up and given a high position immediately. Right from the culture and being totally what the Bible seems to be speaking against in Romans 1. All that is needed here is some consideration. Not weeding out of entire principles that have its place in every human being and are Enormous enormously universal.

I'm not a homo or whatever. Things work exactly the same as in anyone. I just don't let me be drawn in to some mistake that prevents anyone saying something.

>>1432226
What this guy said.

>>1429775
>>1429784
>>1431678
>>1432170
>>1441559

>>1438499
>whatever the one who holds it wants
Not really, the end goal of any sexual act is reproduction, whether sterile or not.
The act of masturbation and or any sterile sexual act is the simulation sexual reproduction.

The desire for sexual reproduction is built within us, even for those who solely engage is non-reproduction sex.

>>1437953
consider that your views on sexuality are just that. Your views. They are not universal and objective truths. The are only your views and as such worth next to nothing.

>>1442649
I don't think he ever implied that they were more than his views anon. It's not Christian to judge others and try to force them to think the same way we do.

>>1442642
>Not really, the end goal of any sexual act is reproduction, whether sterile or not.
No, the end goal is literally whatever the individual wants. It being "for" sexual reproduction is a reference to the fact that it still exists because of the evolutionary emergence of it as a means of reproduction. There's no end goal except what the individual wants.

>>1442663
I have a feeling that arguing with you will be long and we'd just be going in circles.

So I would say this, you have your owns views which is clearly wrong and perverted.

Also I think you're the kind of guy who likes to take it up the ass.

>>1442686
Wow, projection much?

>>1440556
>Everyone that isn't a backwards ass superstitious Christian is an atheist.

>>1441564
>Because bathrooms are extra dimensional.
A shit is a shit

>>1442252
Kek, some people can rise above such pettiness and lead great lives. They don't have to have this anorexia like paranoia.

Many things make us happy. Including ejaculating.

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>>1441949

>>1442891
not an argument

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>>1440487
To me, it's not some idea, because I became Catholic only after most of my life time. So, I say, the Peace and Joy I had aways looked for I only found in Christ.
And, about the question, first it was the faith, but I didn't understand, so I searched for help in places like NOFAP and in neurological researches about the effects of porn in brain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10288240/No-fapping-please-its-making-us-ill.html


"I've read Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, but in none of then I read - Come to Me, all who are tired and heavy laden, I will give you rest." Saint Augustine

>>1442823
You do realise that most people are Christian, right? Like 70% in the US. Do you think that 70% of people don't live good lives and are constantly paranoid?

That guy's point was that acting like jerking off should do anything but just feel good is kind of sad, it's not an event that should make you happy.

>>1443027
most of those "christians" are christian in name only, or being christian isn't a huge part of their lives and they rarely actually think about it. in the USA only about 20% of people regularly attend church

>>1443036
Do you have a source for the fact that they don't attempt to act in ways appropriate to a Christian? Because it just seems like you're trying to dodge the fact that the majority of people in the country are Christian, and don't have any issues with their lives.

If God doesn't want me to masturbate then he shouldn't have given me a powerful sex drive or he should have given me a wife from a young age.

>>1443082
There's nothing about masturbating in the bible except for one verse that's not even about masturbation, and you'd really have to twist to make it be. As long as you're not addicted to porn or jerking off, you're fine.

>>1443027

70% of the US.

31% of the world.

US is the most paranoid nation on the planet.

>>1443090
It's 60% in Australia, about 76.2% in Europe, and pretty popular in a lot of African countries too. It's less popular in other regions obviously, but it's pretty dominant in the West, and the majority are still Catholic.

Most of the rest are religious too, though there's a good chunk that's atheist.

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>>1443082

FAC TIBI ARCAM (Gn 6,14)

>>1443115
What's intended to be below the surface of the water in that pic?

>>1443119
Death. Culture of death.

>>1443115

This picture just makes me miss Guild Wars Factions

>>1443027
Pretty sure it is the kind of event that should make you happy anon, there's no reason it shouldn't.

And I bet most of your US 'Christians' enjoy a good wank from time to time. As hard as it may be with your mutilated genitalia.

>>1443206
>Pretty sure it is the kind of event that should make you happy anon, there's no reason it shouldn't.

It should make you feel good, but happiness is a bit unusual, I don't generally sit back and feel glad afterwards.

>And I bet most of your US 'Christians' enjoy a good wank from time to time.

There's no reason they shouldn't, there's nothing in the scripture against it.

>As hard as it may be with your mutilated genitalia.

Circumcision's a Jewish practice, not a Christian one.

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>>1443098
Bullshit. We can use wikipedia as well you know, cherrypicker.

And just because someone says they are a Christian, doesn't mean they adhere to or even know about the Bible's dogma.

Its pretty clear that they don't.

>>1443222
You're just kind of playing with the semantics of happiness here. Feeling good= happy.

>Circumcision's a Jewish practice, not a Christian one.
I was implying it was an American practice.

>>1443249
Too bad you're wrong friend.

>http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/Christianity-fullreport-web.pdf
>http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/01/global-religion-full.pdf

>And just because someone says they are a Christian, doesn't mean they adhere to or even know about the Bible's dogma.

Why don't you provide some proof that they don't then anon, it stands to reason that someone who describes themselves as Christian would be attempting to live in a Christian way.

>>1443271
>You're just kind of playing with the semantics of happiness here. Feeling good= happy.

Not really, I'd draw an important distinction between the two. A pleasurable sensation doesn't necessarily relate to happiness, which is demonstrated by there being plenty of situations in which you do feel pleasure, but wouldn't be happy.

>I was implying it was an American practice.

Oh, well that makes more sense then, I missed that completely. I'm not American though.

>>1443278
Why don't we look at the general opinions of Homosexuality.
Or divorce.
Or sex in general.
Or seafood
Or heresy.
Or fucking witchcraft.
Or Young Earth creationism

Not that the burden of proof is on me anyway.

>>1443283
Happiness covers all pleasurable emotions, as well positive opinions.

I doubt many feel profound elation after masturbating, but that isn't all happiness covers.

>>1443347
How is that relevant? Only two of those are even Christian beliefs, and homosexuality is more of a "We don't think it's right, but it's not our place to judge others" thing. Divorce is a good point though.

Also, the burden of proof is on you, I already provided evidence that most people in the west are Christian, and you made the claim that they aren't really.

>>1443364
Well, I disagree. People feel pleasure in situation that make them intensely unhappy, most obviously (though this is just an example) being rape, where people get sexual pleasure but aren't happy about it.

I'm curious what you define as happiness and pleasure though, I have a feeling this is just different personal definitions.

>>1443388
You can feel more than one emotion at the same time. And just because you enjoy something (happy emotion) doesn't mean you are happy about it (happy opinion)

They are all related to christian dogma

And the burden of proof isn't on me because you're asking me to disprove your unproven assumption that everyone who says they are a Christian is a dogmatic bible thumper.

>>1443432
>You can feel more than one emotion at the same time

True, but I'd say that masturbation results purely in pleasure rather than happiness. I've never heard of anyone been really happy while jerking off, turned on maybe, but not happy.

>They are all related to christian dogma

They aren't related at all to being a good Christian. Especially YEC, seafood and heresy, none of those things relate to being a good Christian.

>And the burden of proof isn't on me because you're asking me to disprove your unproven assumption that everyone who says they are a Christian is a dogmatic bible thumper.

That's not what happened though. The claim was that it's just America that's mostly christian. I disproved this. Then you made the claim that they aren't really Christians, and I asked you to prove it. It's not up to me to disprove your claims if you can't provide any evidence for them.

And burden of proof is on you because it was your argument that they aren't really Christian.

>>1443485
My argument is that that doesn't prove they are dogmatic, which it doesn't, it doesn't even prove they've read the bible. All it proves is that a lot of people said they were christian in a survey. It could have easily been a cultural thing.

And you clearly aren't dogmatic yourself.

Here's my post in case you lost it >>1443249

It was more about a couple of European countries tipping the scales, and even then it only goes as high as 76% in one survey (2012 I think). The generally accepted amount of theists is only about 50%

>>1441592
>implying gf

>>1443027
>most people are Christian
Under a third of people are Christian.

>>1443529
>My argument is that that doesn't prove they are dogmatic, which it doesn't, it doesn't even prove they've read the bible. All it proves is that a lot of people said they were christian in a survey. It could have easily been a cultural thing.

So provide a source for that. If someone's Christian, it stands to reason they live a Christian life.

>And you clearly aren't dogmatic yourself.

Why's that.

>It was more about a couple of European countries tipping the scales, and even then it only goes as high as 76% in one survey

You posted a screencap from Wikipedia, at least post the actual source, or the page it came from.

>>1443614
>Under a third of people are Christian.

True, I meant most western people. Should have clarified.

>>1443651
>So provide a source for that.
I don't fucking need to dipshit. You need to prove they do. also >>1443347

>Why's that?

>>1443485
>They aren't related at all to being a good Christian. Especially YEC, seafood and heresy, none of those things relate to being a good Christian.
>>1443388
>homosexuality is more of a "We don't think it's right, but it's not our place to judge others" thing.

>>1437401
>it means raising someone else's child
/pol/ underage gtfo

'the husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision.' - actual fucking definition

>>1435978
"""Natural""" is literally just a label to sell shit or shill ideology.

Why is a natural law theorist worth listening to when he's clearly got skin in the game and books to sell?

>>1443778
>I don't fucking need to dipshit. You need to prove they do

You really don't understand how burden of proof works, do you? You made the claim that they aren't actually practicing Christians and don't care about trying to live by the morals. Seeing as you made that claim, you need to provide evidence for it.

And what's your point with the second half of the post? Just quoting my answers?

>>1443364
sensation=/=emotional state

>>1443834
No I didn't, no claims were made. You assumed they were all dogmatic, I said you have no proof for it, insufficient evidence. Burden of proof is on you still.

And I provided examples of evidence anyway.

You really don't understand how burden of proof works

>Second half of post
>>Why's that
That is why.

>>1443850
I know that. Are you trying to say you can't enjoy sensation? That's retarded.

>>1443951
>No I didn't, no claims were made.

But you did, here >>1443249
>just because someone says they are a Christian, doesn't mean they adhere to or even know about the Bible's dogma.

You made this claim. No matter how much you try to twist around and dodge it, you made the claim that they aren't, and as such need to provide evidence for it.

My position is simply that they were Christian,which I provided evidence for.

Your position was that they might very well be Christian, but aren't Christians in action, which you've provided no evidence for.

Does that make more sense now?

>That is why.

Oh, I get you now. Let me go through point by point and explain.

>Or divorce.

The Catholic church does not believe that you can have two Christian marriages, though admits that divorce as a legal tool makes sense and they can't deny it. I haven't been married or divorced.

>Or sex in general.

Kind of a broad topic anon.

>Or seafood

You think Jewish restrictions are proof you're not a real Christian?

>Or heresy.
>Or fucking witchcraft.

Them not being members of the fucking Inquisition doesn't mean that they aren't Christian mate, it's not our place to judge anyone. That's pretty basic stuff there.

>Or Young Earth creationism

What does this have to do with anything? That's like saying that because you're not in the westboro baptist church you aren't a real Christian.
And to point out about homosexuality, it's not a sin. Men and men can't be married under god, but homosexuality isn't a sin, and no Catholic church claims it is. It's also not our place to judge or condemn people that do sin, because we all do, and it's left to God to judge us.

>>1442252
>>jerking off makes him happy
It is just a normal part of life. Like eating. Or eating some things and some don't. How is it not? And what would be the tremendous bad consequences in doing this. Or not even alone?

>>1443977
How can you physically quote what I actually said and the immediately say I made a claim that I didn't.
Are you illiterate as well as deluded?

I never said you weren't a real christian either, I said you weren't a dogmatic one.

>>1443951
>you can't enjoy sensation
I'm saying you can have a pleasurable sensation and be unhappy at the same time. Fuck, you can enjoy a sensation and still be unhappy.

Have you ever been drunk? Depressed in a theme park? Have a go at a whole half-gallon of icecream? They're usually bad decisions that *feel* good.

>>1444009
Because you very clearly made that claim, and are just backpedalling? How can you deny you said it when I literally just quoted you saying it?

>I never said you weren't a real christian either, I said you weren't a dogmatic one.

Seems like a pretty arbitrary distinction to make.

>>1443977
Also you're missing the point with my examples. The point was whether public opinion on those matters matches Biblical dogma.

Sex in general is a broad topic, and public opinion of it as a whole does not match biblical dogma.

>>1444001
This is said sometimes, I already know this:

- the no fap arguments. So by purely by people that do no fap. Not necessarily christian

- How it is criticized from the Bible or sometimes calling a term like lust. In my opinion it is just said without anything else.

But any argument here has arguments against it that cannot be denied. In no way there is any argument that can decide this for all. This would be an almost deadly brutality.

>>1444016
see >>1443432

>>1444024
No I didn't. You are either delusioned or intentionally dishonest. As well as strawman making and goalpost moving.

>just because someone says they are a Christian, doesn't mean they adhere to or even know about the Bible's dogma.
Does not mean that they don't.

It is not a claim. It is stating a logical fact that you're assumption is unfounded.

>>1444046
>No I didn't.

Mate, I just quoted you doing it, you can't just go "nuh-uh".

>As well as strawman making and goalpost moving.

Are you just throwing around random buzzwords at this point?

>Does not mean that they don't.

Too bad that in the line directly after you said they don't, right?
>Its pretty clear that they don't.

>>1444026
>The point was whether public opinion on those matters matches Biblical dogma.

Public opinion on what? Witchcraft? If Gays are evil or not?

>Sex in general is a broad topic, and public opinion of it as a whole does not match biblical dogma.

Why not define what in particular doesn't match, and what particular section of the bible contradicts it. Preferably new testament, as most of the OT is Jewish.

>>1444059
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

>Public opinion on what? Witchcraft? If Gays are evil or not?
Yes

>Its pretty clear that they don't
It is pretty clear that they all don't adhere to dogma, that would be ridiculous. You clearly don't from your excuses. Again it is you make ridiculous unfounded claims.

>Why not define what in particular doesn't match

How about casual sex, or sex outside of marriage

>>1444122
This seems big. Because it is not heard often.

>casual sex, or sex outside of marriage

Would not match this?
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

So how did Christ fulfil the law? Still by this
Matthew 22 “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And this does even include the Old testament. Even in those days this is how it was

1 John 2 from verse 7

I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command;........

9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister........

And romans 14: ...Nothing in itself is unclean.....

So there has to be an extra problem with anything before it is meant. ...Love God.... This is an uncertain factor because who can talk to Him personally? But how would fapping be a problem? There is no reason in scripture, real life, logical reasoning that is obligated to even use a door knob. All these things.

>>1444349
>...Love God.... This is an uncertain factor because who can talk to Him personally? But how would fapping be a problem? There is no reason in scripture, real life, logical reasoning that is obligated to even use a door knob. All these things.

Or someone tell me why He could have any problem with this.

What is the official dogma about this. So the sex thing? I can imagine something, direction, but what is it more exactly?

>>1444349
What's your point?

>>1444448
Well, what I say. the sex thing can't be called forbidden from the Bible, as Gods will or anything else. It has no foundation. Still it is known differently.

So what is the more official dogma? I don't mean to the letter if you don't know right away.

Its not. Its only wrong to covet. If you can manage to fap to your wife, or a tree, you are fine.

>>1444501
deuteronomy 22:20

>>1444611
I think it is interesting to discuss this. But to do that: what is the official stance on the relation between what the Bible says and circumstances that are a part of the place and day of its writing?

As an example Deuteronomy 22:20. About the virgin. I would say that if children are made without any ordinance, this basically means a disaster. The time of Deuteronomy was barbarious. Even the toilet Deut 23: 12. Do you see how birth of children without a right ordinance will end up in disaster?

>>1444654
Yes it is barbaric

Other cultures seemed fine without stoning women to death for not being a virgin. As well as with bastard children.

And forcing them to stay married if the man tried and failed to get her stoned to death.

>>1429914
What if neither of us is married? Is it still adultery?

>>1444748
The whole thing with God. This often a problem. What is this anyway.

Moses did not enter the promised land. God instructed this. I think it is a clear sign that his policy caused this. Also on other places in the Old testament.

The 10 commandments are clearly put on a stance as being most important. If it is about the behaviour part. So not how the temple and the priests should look be and do.

>>1444781
No one can just say what you have and have not to do. So if you accept the fact that God is real, which He is, He set something about the after life in case people really double cross matters. In a way anybody would agree, I think. And understand. I would need more information. But I suggest this is about a doable and understandable fairness.

I don't think this >>1444349 can be wrong. Or how?

>>1444001
If you don't eat, you will die. Will you die if you don't jerk off?

>>1429620
No it isn't. Catholic master race here.

>>1444913
You might get blue balls, excessive hornyness and awkward erections.

Are you trying to argue that we should only do things that are necessary for survival? That's a bleak world view.

>>1444928
no he's just saying that people should listen to some 2000 year old antiquated shit for literally no reason

/fedora
/le reddit !

>>1444913
In eating no one criticizes just eating what is favoured and being happy with it. And it can't be that because some might eat too much or unhealthy that all just get enough to not die. Sex is connected to reproduction. So it is this important.

Others can not be blamed for other people's habits. That is not how it works. If you would make it so you would be responsible in an impossible way that can end bad easily. If churches would only press on habits that are best, this would be best.

>>1444928
Oh, poor soul. Truly those Africans can eat shit.
I'm saying that we should do things that actively help either us or the world. To do things for simple self pleasure is not an ideology I personally agree with
>>1445092
>Sex is connected to reproduction. So it is this important.
Fucking your fist isn't classified as sex friend.
>>1444953
Wow, you really BTFO me there, truly I am now a #DawkinsDog

>>1429620
It's not such a sin compared to not cucking your bro's wife all the way. See Onan.

>>1445111
>>Sex is connected to reproduction. So it is this important.
>Fucking your fist isn't classified as sex friend.
It is not real to compare it completely. Is is not the same thing. But in eating there is all kinds of things too. The most important thing is to live. The same with the sex thing. The most important thing is reproduction. And in any case it is not done to judge preferences. So now I refer to eating as a similar thing if it comes to fapping or anything related. Could be casual sex. Anything.

>>1442642
Nah, we may just have a desire for sex have a drive for protecting things that are cute and helpless, like babies and kitties. Reproduction follows almost necessarily, so it's not like we need a drive specifically for that.

>>1445128
Are you high?

>>1445133
>for sex have a
AND have a

>>1445134
No, I'm not. At the moment I also drink exceptionally little or actually not.

I don't see how anyone would be interested in the supreme spiritual being's displeasement if the fapping/sex problem is out of the way. There can be other things but a ban on this is the most important one.

>>1445111
And banning pleasure for the sake of paranoia over hedonism is not a ideology I agree with. Eat shit if you want to be miserable anon.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

>Oh no someone is having a nice time, how evil.

See >>1442823

Where does the Holy Bible say that masturbation is a sin?

>>1444122
>“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)


This is taken out of context completely, and doesn't mean what you seem tothink it does.

>Yes

It's a good thing that the church doesn't believe gays are evil then, isn't it? And witchcraft hasn't been a concern for centuries.

>It is pretty clear that they all don't adhere to dogma, that would be ridiculous. You clearly don't from your excuses. Again it is you make ridiculous unfounded claims.


You made this claim. As such, you need to back it up, it's not my job to prove a negative.

>How about casual sex, or sex outside of marriage

Casual sex is much less common than this forum would have you believe, and sex outside marriage is generally considered a no-no rather than a full on sin.

What this guy said is >>1444349 really true too. Christians are meant to never judge others, as none of us are without sin. And it's generally intent that makes something a sin, not the action itself.

>>1445209
If you really do believe that you're having a nice time while jerking off, as I said, I'm sorry for you

>>1445784

so high and mighty, yet much too blind to see

>>1429620

Just had a butt mad wank lads

Feels good to be an Anglican

>>1429620
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>>1429675
ITT dipshits that think that god is an entity and not the personification of the outcome, workings and will of all things.

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HAHAHAHA

NICE SPOOKS YA FUCKIN NERDS

>>1443087
I think this should close the discussion. tl;dr Fapping isn't bad as long as you're not addicted.

>Thread with discussion about whether legalized prostitution is good or not deleted despite having decent discussion both for and against
I wish I saved that thread before it got deleted
>Thread about fapping stays up

>>1445900
Too blind to see what? I would retort that you are the one that is blinded by aimless lust, a phantom meal that only leaves you begging for more

>>1442608
Your grammar is fucked and it makes you seem really dumb.

>>1445909
t. whitehead

>>1446305
I like my grammar. Mostly.