Ancient Tongues

>Latin = Classical Chinese
FTFY

>>1334238

Latin > Attic Greek > Sanskrit > Lojban (original language of humanity) > Classical Chinese > Ancient Egyptian > Sumerian

>>1334414
>Lojban (original language of humanity)
Just had to google this. Seems to be some sort of even more gay Esperanto.

Should take this to /lit/, OP. You'll potentially find someone who actually knows what they're talking about there and has done their study from the Greeks onward.

/his/ is okay, but generally full of 15 year olds, /pol/tards, wannabe demagogues and memers. .

> Power Ranking

What does this mean?

I can read a little bit of Latin, not much, but enough to get through some poems with a dictionary next to me. It isn't hard. If you're interested, Wheelock's Latin is the place to start, though there are other books.

>>1334238
No but I wish I would. I wish I had many lives so I could master all of these ancient tongues.

>Accurate Power Ranking?:
PIE > Sanskrit = Avestan > Greek = Latin > Pali = Old Persian = Old Church Slavonic = Old Norse/Icelandic

>>1334435
The idea behind Lojban seems pretty cool to me, but yeah. It's definitely not the original language of humanity. I don't know why anon called it that.

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>>1334927
Power

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>>1334928
Levels

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>>1334930
Do you

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>>1334936
Even

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>>1334941
PIE

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>>1334942
Bro?

>>1334941
>proto slavic
you mean baltic?

>>1334889
I did, first, and /lit/ sent me here.

>>>/lit/8208598

Frankly I never visit /his/ because it's usually one big Nazi wank party.

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>>1334238
>not knowing cuneiform

GET OFF MY BOARD

>>1335010
I didn't make the infographic, I thought it was cool.

>>1335047
>Frankly I never visit /his/ because it's usually one big Nazi wank party.
Back to >>>/safespace/

Censeo hanc tabulam (/his/) destructam esse a poltardis.
In primis diebus huius tabulae, optima fila, optimi anonymi hic fuerunt. Hodie autem, /his/ plenum est merdae adolescentium e /pol/.

>>1335111
REDITO AD TVTVM LOCVM CVCKE

>>1335145
Futue te ipsum, puer.

>>1335266
Futuo amicam tuam, cucke.

I can read norse runes

>>1335314
Amica mea mantulam habet, pathice.

>>1335537
mentulam*

>Latina
>Lingua antiqua

Elige unum

>>1336232
t. Antediluvian

I only ever got around to looking at Gothic, though I can understand some of it.

>>1336232
Re vera lingua latina est antiqua, nam in historicis studiis "antiquus" significat ex aetate illa ante Romani imperii casum.

>>1336223
Video te multum sapere de mentulis.

>>1335314
Latin word for cvck was cuculus.

>>1336653

Magis te qui nullam habes

I know Nahuatl. Not sure how ancient it is but I can also translate glyphs and maps

>>1336653

Cur non? Sapere aude quod bene sapit ;)

>>1334238

Biblical Hebrew's the only one I can read, but I can do so fairly well.

>>1335055
Oh shut up, I come here from /pol/ and expect something else, not the same nazi memes and alt right shilling.

Learning Latin on my own, any suggestions?
I have a grammar book and a dictionary. The plan is to learn the basics of grammar and then translate some texts to reinforce the grammar and teach words in Latin.

>>1337970
>Nahuatl
Revival of an Aztec nation when?

And why is the tl so common in words?

>>1338096
Latin really has no grammar because of how highly inflected it is; as long as you have your verb agreeing with your subject and all your nouns and adjectives in the right declension you can literally write sentences in whatever order you'd like.

>>1338144
>has no grammar
Grammar is not merely word-order.

>>1338152
You're correct, I may have phrased that poorly; but Latin is the proto-Romance language, so if you ever took Spanish or French in school you should be familiar with the basics of agreement in declensions, which is 90% of the battle in learning such languages.

>>1338159
I am not familiar with them. I took 5 years of German in High School but thats all.
Also, >>1338152
is not me.
Thanks!

>>1338108
It's sort of like a verbal tic. You don't really prounounce the L as a voiced consonant if it's terminal, you mostly just leave it as the ending position of your tongue. Example: Nahuatl is prounounced more like "Nawatv and then a voiceless exhalation on the l sound which is really imperceptible. Sort of like how Japanese and Koreans have a hard time with terminal consonants (e.g. nice becomes Naisu, cars becomes kahdeu) Nahuatl just sort of tends towards that pronunciation.

>>1338144
So Caecilius est in horto and Caecilius in horto est is the same?

>>1338277
Yep, though one may be more 'correct' academically speaking than the other, there really isn't any difference between the two as far as content of information goes.
'in horto Caecillius est' would also be perfectly acceptable. The only things that really needs to be next to its referent are conjunctions.

>>1338305
I mean I suppose this is true of English as well.

In the garden I am

I am in the garden

I in the garden am

Some sound more poetic/archaic but they would all be understood.

>>1338277
Modern Greek (unsurprisingly) has the same language feature - every verb is pre-conjugated to show tense and case so you can put them anywhere (as opposed to English which only shows tense on verbs, and therefore relies on word order to make sense) which means word order "doesn't matter".

However "doesn't matter" isn't exactly correct. While you can rearrange clauses any way you like and they remain grammatica (i.e. SOV, VOS, SVO etc.) a native will understand the subtle differences between them. You may use the VOS order when you're pissed off, or SOV when you're joking, in a similar way that you may use pronunciation features (inflection, stress etc.) in English to show the same things.

Latin is just a dead language for which we only have written records, so we don't really know its nuanced spoken features (which would vary by region anyway)

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>learning an ancient language to enhance your grammar

Why would you cuck yourself of some energy when you could just literally google proper grammar or prefixes? I don't get it

>>1338321
Why learn anything ever?
>>1338313
The first two are fine, but the third feels wrong, unless specifically in a poem or olde timey style writing; though strictly speaking 'am/is/are/etc' are copulae, and only act as verbs do in English.

>>1338319
I'm drawing a blank on distinctions. Can you give me some examples of how word order would inflect emotion or tone? Seriously curious to see if certain word orders carry with them certain emotions.

>>1338323
I really don't see the good reason to learn an unspoken language. It's almost as odd as reciting a classical piece backwards. Good trick but ultimately not rewarding, from my point of view.

>>1337964
Unam habeo, in culo tuo.

>>1335111
I stopped coming to /his/ a while ago, but I remember that people called the board shit since forever

>>1338522
/his/ est cac

Latin and 文言文.

>>1338539
mater tua est cac

>>1338321
That's not why people learn ancient languages though.

They learn them because either they're interested in it and have free time, or have to for school or something.

>>1338273
I know how it is pronounced. I am asking why is it at the end of the word so much. Does it have a grammatical purpose?

>>1338733
Or to talk to demons

>>1334889
you won't find anybody who knows a thing about language or languages on 4chan. there are plenty of people who think they know what they're talking about though.

>>1339476
Like you.

Any good resources for learning ancient Greek? Not picky on which form.

>>1338061
>Hebrew


JIDF detected.

>>1339813
Ουδεν εχω εγωγε.

舉題

>>1334909
PIE isn't a language and has never been and if you were a philologist you'd know this. You either talk about the multitude of the incomplete and very flawed reconstructions constructed by comparative linguists that do not reflect any language that has ever been spoken or the actual dialect continuum that it is an abstraction of and that we believe was spoken in an uncertain area during some uncertain prehistoric Bronze Age period.

>>1339823
>not speaking the tongue of YHWH

>>1335111
Nice trips and nice post, amice

亩嗯哦

>>1339813
A comprehensive textbook that gives you lots of practice with translating real Greek, plus descriptions and explanations of grammatical concepts (as opposed to any kind of intuitive method). Perseverance, not getting discouraged when you fuck up or don't understand something, a willingness to use Google and ask questions.

Instructors are mostly for answering tricky questions when you get confused, and riding your ass to make sure you keep at it. If you can do both of these yourself, you can teach yourself. Many have, for centuries.

I like Shelmerdine's Latin (but many don't). Wheelock is OK. Cambridge doesn't explain concepts enough for my liking, but it gets used a lot in college courses. Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata is a meme. Some guy mentioned the Yale Latin course (?) recently on /lit/ and it seemed pretty good, maybe worth a look. There are also older textbooks.

For Greek, you basically have Hansen & Quinn (pirate it, hard + expensive to find in print), which is very had and very heavy on morphology and drills for the first 500 pages. Athenaze is garbage from what I hear. JACT Greek 2nd edition seems OK, but I hear complaints about it as well.

Do Latin first. It's much easier in the textbook phase and most of its concepts you will reapply to Greek, making the latter much easier. It's possible to do both at the same time, but try Latin out first.

Once you get up to a good level, or finish the textbook, dive into graded and annotated Latin/Greek readers of easy authors like Caesar and Democritus/Xenophon. Don't worry if it's rough and slow going at first. The textbook can only give you so much. If the textbook was the skeleton, then the real meat of learning begins by slowly building your comfort level in reading the actual language.

did Latin and Greek, would definitely study Chinese as well if I did it again, classical Chinese literature is under-studied in the West and has an amazing canon

it'd be cool to learn Pali also

>>1334909
>Sanskrit > [............] Pali

Sanskrit and Pali are very close, and often interchangeable.

I wasn't even aware of Pali until I went to Thailand and heard some Buddhist monks chanting. After a few minutes I realized I was basically hearing Sanskrit (based on my foggy recollections from studying it years earlier).

As far as dead languages, I can only talk about Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, and Latin. Sanskrit is the most fancypants, Greek ain't too shabby, and Latin is best suited for pornographic graffiti in the whorehouses of Pompeii.

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saw this tablet / wall at a local museum

Best books to learn Middle Egyptian?

>>1344670
Oh yeah. This is from the tomb of Sobekmose, ~1400-1300BC. He was the royal treasurer during the reign of Amenhotep III.

Had courses on ancient Greek for 6 years and Latin for 3 in school.

I don't even know why any sane person would willingly submit himself to this drudgery. Though I admit Thucydides was a pretty comfy read

>>1344679
Learn coptic instead

>>1344679

>learning a language you can't read aloud.

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If you are learning an ancient language that isn't some sort of cuneiform you are doing the world a disservice.

>>1345404
You can try
https://youtu.be/50By01L7uzY?t=42s

>>1345464
Why don't we just farm it out to Indians?

We make it work like the captcha system so that the translation is only accepted if multiple randomly selected people come up with the same thing, and then we put a Hindi translation manual online.

>>1345565
I remember seeing on reddit that some of that video is super inaccurate. Like, apparently the latin section was a weird mix of ecclesiastical and classical pronunciations.

>>1334928
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>>1334942
>>1334943

>Proto slavic aka indo-european
>Sanskrit older than latin


This meme about the so called "archaic languages" need to stop, the oldest I-E inscriptions are in the following languages :
Greek(Linear A) > Hittite > Latin > Other indo european languages

>>1334414
Lojban is a semantic mess, learn Ithkuil.

Are there any good books that give an overview of the main classical languages and their associated bodies of literature and social structures?

>>1347304
Some of the pics you are responding to are pure nonsense, but oh boy are you wrong.
Linear A is not Greek, Linear B and C are.
Rigveda is from about the same time as Linear B (+- couple centuries), but it's a fucking religious text, while Linear B inscriptions are basically receipts. But ok, Rigveda was oral so maybe it doesn't count.
Hittite is older than both anyway.

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>>1341189
... You are a fucking moron.

>>1346274
Not really classical at all. <v> should be pronounced /w/ and /puːgnaːre/ should be pronounced /pʊŋnaːre/. The voiced velar before a nasal was nasalized.

Sounds like Medieval Latin pronunciation.

>>1334238
Classical Chinese has such a minimalist grammar.

Are there any other languages (ancient or modern) as concise and compact? I'm not aware of any isolating languages outside of East Asia.

>>1347304
>>1348566
Hittite texts dated to the 21st or 22nd centuries BC have been discovered. It's hands down the oldest.

Linear B is recorded at the same time we theorize sanskrit to have existed. Luwian is dated to about the same period or a bit earlier.

Phrygian inscriptions pre-date Latin by several centuries. I think Iranian languages, Thracian, and Latin were all written in the same century.

>>1334243
Everything >>>> Non European Languages >>>>>>>>>>Chinese

Ancient Castillian is the God Tier Language.

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