What magic is this? Did Poles made a pact with the devil or what?

>>1318086
not even plague wants anything to do with that shithole

>>1318086
They caught on quick and quarantined their kingdom.

The plague was nominally spread along river tributaries at this time. Lucky for Poland they quarantined their only major one and we're thus relatively safe.

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>>1318199

It might be the Virgin Mary. She does seem to love Poland.

>>1318086
You don't poison your own wells.

>>1318086
Quarantine and Jews, from what I remember.

>>1318600
/thread

The mumblers know!

SHUT

IT

DOWN

Drank so much vodka they became immune.

King Casimir summoned Satan in a secret ceremony where he sacrificed all future Polish relevancy on the national scale so that Poland would survive the plague.

>>1318086
It was an underpopulated backwater

They kept their plumbing running quite well

>>1318086
How the fuck DID it reach Sardinia so fast if Sardinia is in the sea

>>1319694
boats

>>1319694
Boats ya dingus

>>1319696
You can't go by boat from sicily to Sardinia

>>1319699
It's in the middle of the fucking sea you retarded fuck

>>1319703
>>1319714
>calling anyone retarded when you have obvious mental retardation in the form of blatant autism
You can get to Sardinia from Sicily by SHIP which are large boats, you sperglords.

>>1319719
No, before te Age of discovery you could only travel by coast I very much doubt the island was even settled at the time, you can only go there with modern (at least renaissance) technology

>>1318086
most of the jews lived in Poland.
why would they spread a plaauge to the country they lived in?

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>>1319752
> I very much doubt the island was even settled at the time
m8, there is people in Sardinia since the 6th millenium BC ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sardinia

>>1319752
>>1319714
you have been playing to much civilization

>>1319752
>I very much doubt the island was even settled at the time

What the fuck am I reading

As today, Poland was not much of a developed country. Mainly farmers who had zero to minimum interaction with other people. Thus limiting the spread.
Also as>>1318263
said.

>>1319752
>before te Age of discovery you could only travel by coast
>Romans quite literally sailed from Sicily to Alexandria in a straight shot
>Early medieval period Vikings sailed from fucking Scandinavia to what is now Newfoundland, Canada
>But middle medieval people could not sail from fucking Sicily to Sardinia
Seriously, are you retarded? I know you're autistic, but I think there's something bigger at play here.

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>>1319694
>>1319703
>>1319714
>>1319752
The plague spread mostly thanks to the trade routes which connected Europe to Asia. Sardinia is a relatively large island and it has always been inhabited since the bronze age, if not even earlier.
Sea routes ran mostly along the coast because the waters were more shallow, thus having less risks of encountering a highly violent storm. In deep waters, instead, when a storm hits the waves tend to get somewhat big, the waters shake your ship around and if you fall in the sea you're likely to drown, whereas in shallow seas you could be brought to shore by the currents, thus having more chances to survive.
As you can see in pic related, Sardinia is right next to Corsica and pretty close to Sicily and the waters between Sardinia and Sicily or Sardinia and Corsica are pretty shallow and safe (if we don't count potential pirate activities), so you can reach Sardinia pretty easily by sailing from Genoa and navigating around the eastern or western shore of Corsica OR you could just row your way straight to Sardinia from Sicily and I think this would be possible even if you sailed from Ostia, Rome's port. The Mediterranean isn't the Atlantic Ocean, so most of the dangers in shallow waters were related to pirates rather than storms, which could kill you in the sea but you have more chances to survive one (or even better, less chances to be caught by one) when sailing coastal/shallow waters than in open/deep waters like in the middle of the Mediterranean, which ships tended to avoid entirely anyway.

Also another noteworthy information for you is that it takes relatively little time to reach Sardinia from Italy, France, Spain and the north-western coast of Africa (From Gibraltar to western Lybia so to speak), which means trade ships would store enough food for the trip.

Long story short, Sardinia isn't Madagascar, stop playing Plague Inc.

So they didn't suffer from the plague and still managed to be underdeveloped in comparison with Western European countries? Slavshits, everyone.

>>1319870
The PLC was just as developed as the rest of Europe at the time of their partition and even afterwards many brilliant minds studied at universities in Krakow and Warsaw. Just because modern Poland is shit doesn't mean Poland was always shit.

Mother of God protected them

>>1318086
They gave haven to the Jews and the Jews were the ones who spread the plague elsewhere

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>>1319752
Genuinely impressed by your powerlevel anon

>>1319870
Plague was actually GOOD for development of an economy and industry.

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>>1319752
>he doesn't know about the Nuragics

>>1319867
>>1319851
>>1319791
I assume you retards have never taken a boat.

Do you have the slightest idea of how actually BIG the sea is?
Do you think medieval fucking retards who couldn't even read could do such a travel?

It would take years perhaps even decades to go from Sicily to Sardinia and the ship could break at any time and in that case, woops, you're dead.

Even if they knew about the island from Roman times no body in their right times would have gone there risking so much.

Medieval fuckers couldn't read, get this through your head, their intelligence level was so fucking low that they couldn't read, perform an action as simple as reading, how the fuck do you think that they could travel the fucking open (not coastal) the OPEN sea with a fucking shitty wooden boat, oh yeah this is the middle ages, no telescope, no nothing, only sea for hundreds of miles, only fucking sea, even in modern times you need experts on the ships to sail through the sea hence why the airplane was invented and we use it instead of ships.

Going through the sea requires deep knowledge of mathematics, physics, geometry, something medieval people did NOT fucking have before the renaissance/age of discovery.

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>>1319752
Thanks anon, that's the most amusing thing I read today.

>>1319952
I love you for this post. Saved.

>>1319952
Jesus, I know you're trolling but my face contorted in such a way I thought I was having a seizure.

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>>1319752
>>1319952
>This fucking thread

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>>1319752

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>>1319752
>>1319714
>>1319694


Praise Kek

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>>1319952
Confirmed troll.

The guys who said "by boat" were merely stating (in a mocking way towards you) the obvious. Of course they meant ship, how autistic do you have to be to listen to a sentence and take it literally?

Now that I whiteknighted those two, let's get to the real sauce. Europeans did not just stop building ships as soon as the WRE fell you dumb mudfucker, the technology was still there and the maps were preserved by those who weren't buttfucked by the barbarians during the so called dark ages. By dark ages I'm actually referring to the time between the last decades of the WRE and the end of the barbarian invasions and the beginning of a relative stability in Europe. Throughout that time, specifically after the WRE fell, it could've been difficult to go to Sardinia, but not impossible. Whereas in the proper Middle Ages, and to be specific the time of the plague, land and sea trade routes had been re-established, actual ships that could sail in the sea were being made and used. Of course it requires mathematics and geometry to sail the sea, but who do you think sailed the sea? Nobles leading a military fleet and merchants leading a trade fleet. Both these figures would have the wealth to learn from monastic universities about mathematics and such.

Stop watching Hollywood movies to get your idea of the Middle Ages you dumb cunt. Do you really need a fucking albanian to tell you that? An albanian of all people!? My people, me included, are fucking ignorants yet you're even more fucking stupid! How many stolen chromosomes does it take to sink so low!?

>>1319952
It took Colombus 2 years to reach Americas

>>1320007
In the age of discovery
>>1319997
>how autistic do you have to be to listen to a sentence and take it literally?

I take people seriously, something you're not doing with me so I shouldn't even lose my time arguing with a retard like you
>land and sea trade routes had been re-established

I'll be needing a source that isn't wikipedia for that

>Nobles leading a military fleet and merchants leading a trade fleet.

Both of them couldn't read, let alone know mathematics or anything about sailing ships

>>1319954
what am i looking at and where can i read more about it anon?

>>1318199
underrated post

also, checked

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>>1320014
The captains working for the merchants knew how to sail ships. Venetians and Genoans dominated trade at sea.

>>1320020
Dorestad

Ehm dunno desu.

>>1319952
Do you think the mediterranean is as big as the Atlantic Ocean?

>>1320014
How did stone age illiterate people colonize Polynesia?

Checkmate atheists

>>1320054
What is the ice age?
Retard.

>>1320051
No, but still boats are fucking slow and the sea is huge.

>>1320068
Polynesia didn't have ice back then

Checkmate retard

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>>1320014
Okay, perhaps you're not just a troll so I'll take you seriously.

Pic related shows you the routes that were established between the first and second crusades, showing that sea trades were quite active by that time.


>http://study.com/academy/lesson/trade-networks-in-the-middle-ages-empires-routes.html

This link instead explains how the silk road was reopened thanks to the mongols conquering central Asia up to Baghdad. Remember that it will be because of the mongols besieging Caffa, in Crimea, and throwing corpses of those who died from the plague inside their walls, that the plague will spread to Europe. Look back at the pic, Caffa sends salt to Venice, which means that because of re-established sea trade routes and because of the re-opened silk road, the "black death" plague was successfully brought to Europe by the mongols by sea. And because of those trade routes, Sardinia as well was contaminated. I hope this clears up any doubt.

>Both of them couldn't read, let alone know mathematics or anything about sailing ships

Perhaps, but still there must've been experienced sailors and ship captains that knew where to go to reach a certain port.

>>1320020
I think those are polders.

>>1320068
>the sea is huge.
The distance from Sicilly to Sardinia is 292.20 km. An average, fully loaded medieval brig could travel at 11 knots, that's. 20 KM/H. roughly

So fifteen hours from Sicilly to Sardinia

>>1320034
That must be fake map
No one in middle age could read and travel acros mediterran sea

>>1320092
No one could sail with wooden boat more than 100km in deep sea you dumb fart fuck.
Fucking american education.

>>1320116
Polynesians can, they had blue water navigation straight from the beginning. Pretty OP if you ask me.

>>1320110
>>1320090
It is a fake map it's painfuly obvious it's made in modern times, again, no arguments and fake data, I'm getting really frustrated.

>>1320110
Finally a non retard in the thread

>>1320110
>No one in the middle ages could read
Close, but not quite. Very few people could read. Members of the clergy had to read to be able to read scripture. The Pope frequently sent out letters. It's not a fake map. It has been made in modern times, yes.

I love the amount of trolling ITT. Keep it up lads.

>>1320129
I bet those americans arent trolling.
>implaying you can sail with diy wooden boat from Sicily to Corsica

>>1320116
but people have lived on iceland since forever

>>1320148
Those were vikings who got lost on the way.
And somehow incidently find some land.
That is the reason why they stayed there.

>>1320148
Not really, it's been settled by vikings in the age of discovery.

Hence why I believe Sardinia was settled maybe once in Roman times for the mines but later left to protect Rome from the Germanics so the island was de-populated and then in the Age of Discovery by Spaniards and Italic people

>>1320034
WE WUZ SAILRS N SHIT
WE OWNED SEAS N SHIT

>>1320161
>Vikings
>Age of Discovery
That was the 900s you dumbfuck

>>1320172
It's retarded how much these fucking Geoans make up stuff on the way, even today the sea is too big to be owned by anyone, hence why it's also called "nobody's land", let alone in ancient times.

No one can own the sea, let alone medieval retards who coudln't do 1-1=2.

>>1320172
It's retarded how much these fucking Geoans make up stuff on the way, even today the sea is too big to be owned by anyone, hence why it's also called "nobody's land", let alone in ancient times.

No one can own the sea, let alone medieval retards who couldn't do 1-1=2.

>>1320121
>It is a fake map it's painfuly obvious it's made in modern times
Of course it is modern, that doesn't mean the routes represented in it aren't accurate. I'm faily certain medieval maps where geographically inaccurate, some land masses were shaped improperly compared to what the european dry lands actually looked like, so I guess the creator of the map simply reproduced the routes from an original map and put them onto a modern map for easier understanding.
You wanted an actual map dating from medieval times? I'd post one if I could find one, google images is not being collaborative on that part.

>again, no arguments and fake data, I'm getting really frustrated.
I explained to you how the plague reached almost all of Europe. Without any trade routes, both land and sea ones, the plague wouldn't have spread as much as it did, if not at all. So the trade routes had to be established by that time, or else the plague would've never reached Europe from Caffa. Also Sardinia is in a very central position, meaning that trade ships were bound to stop there at a certain point before continuing their travel.

Also don't believe the "no one could read in medieval times" meme, there were monasteries and universities where the children of nobility could go to learn under the tutorship of erudite monks. One of the most important medieval universities was build in Sicily.

>>1320161
Spot on - we have reports from Columbus landing on Sardinia in the 16th century. The native population apparently spoke an archaic form of latin and greeted each other with the words "Roma invicta". When asked why they didn't rebuilt their ruined cities they started sobbing and crying while one of their more prominent citizens mumbled something that sounded like vae victis.

The most stunning thing of all in the reports from Columbus? All the people on Sardinia were black, blacker than even the blackest Moor most Spaniards had ever seen.

I guess most people ITT were never on open sea, or in wooden boat.

>>1320190
>All the people on Sardinia were black
Sauce

>>1320197
Columbus

>>1320197
>>1320200
>>1320183
It's possible but how did blacks get there in the first place with a boat?

I'm genuinely interested I heard that the Guancians were white with blonde hair so maybe history is different from what we know, maybe all the Romans were blacks and invented the technology to get to Europe by boat, maybe Egyptian?

That's my guess.

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>>1319952
So this is the power of /his/.

>>1319997
>confirmed troll
>proceeds to write a long annoyed answer to it

What's the point of pointing out (obvious) trolls if you feed them anyway ?

>>1318086
For all the retards who don't know shit about history of ships in this thread


1=Boat is invented by early Europeans but only coastal and used by Greeks
2=Romans invent the ship to conquer Carthage
3=the knowledge of ships is lost and vikings re invent it
4)The Age of descovery stems from the discovery of ruined viking ships in the coasts of Spain by the Arabic Spaniards
5)modern steamboat is invented

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>>1320206
Artists reconstruction of ancient African boat, they were built on or around the pyramids.

>>1320219
[Citation needed]

>>1320206
I knew about the moor's heads on the sardinian flag but never heard of a native black sardinian population personally. If that's a joke, I'll tickle your asshole.

>>1320214
Was having doubts.

>>1320232
The Greeks only used coastal navigation look at Magna Graecia.

The Romans used ships or maybe took them from the Phoenicians (Africans, blacks who had to travel large distances)

this is too funny

>>1320233
They are not so black because of the Pisan and Spaniard settling in the island, but you can still find some black Sardinian in the inland in some villages, but they're more dark brown than black looking.

>>1319952
I'm dying.

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>>1319952
>american ''education''

>>1319752
>>1319952
Was it autism?

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>>1318199
This anon understands.

But is he willing to do what is necessary?

>>1320206
Also
>maybe all the Romans were blacks
Marble statues may not show their skin colour but their facial features show no typical "african" features.

>>1320235
>The Romans used ships or maybe took them from the Phoenicians (Africans, blacks who had to travel large distances)
>Africans, blacks who had to travel large distances

They built their ships by copying the Carthaginian ones. The Carthaginians were a former phoenician colony from the Levant, on the northern coast facing Cyprus. Carthaginians were absolutely not black, their mercenaries may have been but not the carthaginians themselves.

>>1320243
I just looked up for any site that backed your thesis about Columbus meeting these black sardinians and didn't find any. Moreover, I found out that Columbus not only was italian of origin (which I already knew) but was a sardinian from Cagliari. Provide proof or go troll somewhere else.

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>>1318086
Because superior slavic genes.
>>1318199
>>1320460
Self-hating Poleshits.

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>>1319952
>this is what children are taught these days

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>yfw this thread is just a Polish magician trying to distract us with autism so that he doesn't feel obligated to tell us about what spells he used to avoid the plague

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>>1318086

Despite having the 2nd largest population in Europe, (after France) Poland luckily managed to escape the worst of the plagues because the nation was the bread basket of Europe and didn’t need to import any food and could thus shut the borders down without starving it’s own people.

>>1320966
Why does the green perfectly align with areas with high Jewish population?

>>1320966
So how did milan survive?

>>1320987
No reason at all anon.

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>>1320520
>superior slavic genes

>>1319952
The fuck's wrong with you? Been huffing too much spray paint or some shit like that?

>>1321055

I am not the person you were answering too, but this doesnt mean what you think it means.

The reason why France is at the bottom of the list is that they abort the fuck out of every baby with birth defects, that is the reason why it is extremly rare to find someone with Down Syndrome in France.

The only thing you can learn from that is that the endogamy of muslims isnt good to have healthy offspring.

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>>1320486
>carthage
>facing Cyprus
>carthage in the Levant

>>1319952
Have my babies.

>>1320987
Jews practiced basic hygiene and europeans didnt

>>1320987
They didn't poison their own wells? The same reasons dogs don't shit were they sleep?

>>1320987
Pure Coincidence

So is this ship nonsense going to become a new /his/ meme?

>>1318279
>Virgin Mary
>loves Poland

Then what was 1939 to 1989? Was she on her period or something?

This is amazing

>>1321026
It was them or Genoa but the archbishop ordered the house that the first known plague victim in the city bricked up with the guy and his family in it

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>>1323282
The triumph of Satanic forces, the wickedness of man, take your pick. It seems no place is eternally blessed.

She sure as fuck did make up for lost time, though, didn't she?

>>1323434
>She sure as fuck did make up for lost time, though, didn't she?

Then why is Poland a post-Soviet hellhole with high amounts of brain drain and emigration to the EU and the US, and where commie-blocks still dominate the skyline of Krakow and Warsaw?

>>1323451
Am I living in the same Poland as you? The Poland you described was like that around 20 years ago. It changed alot since then.

>>1323434
Jan Pedał Drugi, Demon, Pedofil, słóga szatana nie jezd moim papieszem.

Someone make a screencap of this thread this is too good

>>1320020
The docks and warehouses of Dorestad during its heydays.

>>1318086
They had jews

a bump so I can make screencap

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>>1319952

>americans on /his/

>>1327020
fuck this is harder than I thought

>>1319870
>he's never been to Krakow or Warsaw

Poland was incredibly developed where it was developed, it could even be looked at like a French parallel state in the east.

>>1327072
Holy shit, there's like 5 different branching conversations that all converge how do I do this without just making a stupid fucking diamond

>>1327091
Not him I've been to Warsaw and it's a post-commie depressive shithole. Even the center of the city, a bit more cute, is mostly grey and dull. It's sad what Hitler and Stalin did to the place. 2/10 would not visit ever again.

They told me Krakow was way better but I got no opportunity to visit it yet and the experience in Warsaw doesn't help.

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>>1321762
>Not reading the whole thing twice to make sure you got the meaning

I'll rephrase it just for you.

First I said that the Carthaginians were a former phoenician colony FROM the Levant, not IN the Levant (which means "phoenician colonists who left the Levant and settled along the northwestern coast of Africa, in modern days Tunisia). I then explained where THE LEVANT is, not Carthage.

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>>1327072
>>1327097

>Not screencapping the whole page
>http://orig08.deviantart.net/5014/f/2016/175/c/e/_his_1318086_by_akeidamos-da7ils5.png

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>>1327135
fuck this, I have better things to do with my life than capture the thoughts of obtusely minded dreamers on this Iroquois dreamcatcher confederacy circle

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>>1327149
It's good enough, thank you for your time.

>tfw my Albanigger posts are there
I love you.

>>1327149
If someone wants to try and fix my monstrosity to be cleaner and more space - efficient, go ahead
Just keep Hiroshima's quote in there please

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>>1327171
I did an abridged version, if you don't mind.

>>1327506
Much better. Thanks.

>>1320190
Kek

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>>1320219
This is the most retarded thing I've read in years

>>1327506
>My image is in there, too.

This makes me happy.

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>>1320235
>Phonecians(black)
The amount of retardation is literally starting to hurt physically.

>>1320190
Really makes you think...

>>1319867
man I never realised how shallow the Adriatic is

>>1318086
King Casimir had heard about the plague before it arrived and quarantined the hell out of the main trade routes and any outbreaks (some cities did suffer somewhat).

>>1319952
8/10

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>>1320119
Austronesians too. Maybe not 100km in the middle of the ocean, but still impressive.

>>1328315
Sardinia is more than 100 kms away from Sicily, such a feat was impossible to perform before the Modern Era.

>>1320987
G-d's chosen, you filthy goy.

>>1328315
I wonder why they never reached Australia if they traveled so far

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>>1319952
wew lad

>>1318086
Same thing happened in china,.the villages that were infected simply died out fast and in isolation

>>1328471
It's a linguistic map. They knew Australia, but didn't colonize it or failed to do so.

>>1328159
Which is why there was so much pirate activity in there: no big storms that could crush an entire fleet, very difficult to end up stranded and a rich and raidable coast just opposite of Illyria.

>>1329585
I dunno man, I dont think theres any way we could have had pirates before at least the late Industrial era.

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>>1318086
Because Poland was powerful and self-sufficent enough to quarantine itself when it heard of the plague not far away at all. the Baltic coast got hit though because Poland couldn't quarantine what the Teutonic Knights stole from them.
>>1319952
pic, this is my favorite episode

>>1318086
I really satisfies my autism that the plague spread how it did in this map, really lets you see the trade routes

>>1318086
No wells for the jews to poion.

>>1321055
>"yugoslavia"

>>1329867
Yeah what a shitty bait only like 30 replies

Oy veh the Pope said cats are the incarnation of the devil
the christians are killing their cats!
I have an idea Moyshe ! let's raise and hide cats and soon we will sell them nice kitties at good price and made a good profit!

So Yiddishland I mean Poland was full of cats meanwhile the rest of Europe was full of contaminated rats

>>1318199
Savage bantz