IRA

>>1234592
>How important was the Provisional IRA for Ireland?
Quite

>How active is the IRA today?
Not very

>Northern Ireland belongs rightfully to (UK/Ireland)?
Since the GFA, NI Legally belongs to it's people and the status of NI will reflect that will through a referndum.

>How bad were the troubles?
Pretty bad but not ridiculous

>How effective were Provisional IRA terrorist tactics (bombings and such)?
Depends on a few factors.

>>1234623
>Quite
Care to elaborate
>Pretty bad but not ridiculous
Any comparisons or anecdotes?
>Depends on a few factors.
Like what

>>1234623
This guy is pretty much me.

>>1234648
>Pretty bad but not ridiculous
You could live in NI through the troubles and be entirely unaffected by them beyond hearing the conflict mentioned. Even some parts of Belfast went relatively untouched.
There were several key areas which were shitholes full of constant fuckery from one side or the other, the most famous of which being Divis Flats.
In these areas, and areas around them, you had to be careful what you said, where you went and when, how you carried yourself; all it took was for you to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you were fugged.

British soldiers got it hard; some of them weren't paddy-slapping bastards who were just doing what they were told, but in the eyes of the nationalists and IRA all brit soldiers=murdering scum.

On the other hand, if you were irish or catholic you were essentially memeraided in your home fucking constantly by the very, very, very anti-irish police force along with the army while they checked for guns or whatever.

Protestant Paramilitaries sprung up too, largely because they wanted in on the banter of shitting on Irish people and all of sudden Irish nationalists or catholics had 3 armed forces to avoid.

tl;dr-Where it was bad, it was baddddd but for the most part it wasn't hellish, mostly just a bit shit with a few serious skirmishes here and there.

>How effective
Like he said, it depends. Bombings were a very mixed bag; a well placed one was very effective but many of them were just placed near at random in unionist areas in order to fuck their shit up.
The irish paramilitaries were infiltrated constantly by Britfags so they had a strict secrecy rule which, if breached, meant very bad news for you.


To sum it all up, anon, don't image a city engaged in all out war.
Imagine some shitty skirmishes on a street, car bombs, people getting stabbed or shot in parks and pubs, people vanishing, and constant police raids.

Ireland should be part of the United Kingdom.

Honestly, no one cares about the queen, trade would be easier, and religion would not be an issue anymore.

Forget all your bullshit history that saw thousands of people, from essentially the same religion, spitefully killing each other - and for what? Nothing. Nobody won.

Catholics and protestants get on just fine everywhere else. Do the smart thing, join the union, become part of a strong united group of countries who speak the same language, laugh at the same jokes, have similar political systems - but cant even spend the same money. Its pointless, and its just making Ireland weaker. You could be UNITED for fucks sake - IRELAND as a country once again, just united to Britain.

But will your spite against the British stop that from happening? of course it will, because you hate us - because your parents told you to.

>>1235202
>never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

ROI's economy getting stronk after they fucked it up so, so hard. And countless people here would rather be Irish than feed off the coat-tails of the fucking UK.

Ireland will unite in our lifetime, and Scotland will also leave the UK in our lifetime.
Unless some crazy, crazy, radical force is introduced, the support for leaving the UK is building in both countries (albeit much slower in NI.)

Soon the eternal anglo will be confined to the bottom half of the mainland and that'll be that.

Especially if you faggots actually leave the EU. RIP, Britain.

>>1235167
You seem like you know your shit so I'll ask. How bad was the protestant hate in Ireland? I've read mixed things about it, from everything to as long as you were a Republican no one cared if you were a proddy to the IRA killing protestant farmers for no reason at all.

>>1235235

why the fuck would you want these nations to break up?
So they can all be mutually POORER?
So they all have to have separate currencies?
More complicated legal definitions?
More expensive imports?
Border checkpoints?

Basically MORE LIKE IRELAND?

The irish GDP is 190 billion dollars - The British GDP is 2.4 TRILLION dollars.
Our economy is growing three times faster than Ireland's.
Despite massive allowances given to you by Europe your unemployment rate is still 37%.

Dude, you just hate Britain. Face it. You would be better off united. Statistical fact.
Its just prevented by ingrained hatred on the Irish side.

>>1235360
The whole point of it is sovereignty. That's why the EU referendums happening, Brit governing Brits
Potatoes governing potatoes

>>1235202
>wanting to ruin Ireland with our shitty political system
if anything it should be the other way around, Ireland should annex the UK and oust westminster

>>1235360
>The irish GDP is 190 billion dollars - The British GDP is 2.4 TRILLION dollars.
Ours is higher per capita

>Our economy is growing three times faster than Ireland's.
Nope, ours is growing the fastest in all of Western Europe

>Despite massive allowances given to you by Europe your unemployment rate is still 37%.
It's 7.8%

>Dude, you just hate Britain.
I don't know why the bongs are so obsessed with us. It's kind of weird. Most Irish people like you, there's no need to act so passive aggressive.

If we joined the UK we'd become like NI, aka a shithole. I like English people but you have absolutely no clue how to run a country.

>>1235273
How bad was the hate?
Pretty bad, anything denying it is probably written by prods tbqh

>Irish people couldn't get jobs
>Irish people constantly shit on by RUC (current police force, VERY protestant-it was so bad that today's police force has to meet an equality quota between people of prod and catholic background)
>Irish generally seen as second class citizens
>Culture in NI dominated by protestant unionist culture
>People in Irish areas treated pretty badly with only a few (often rich) exceptions

Irish/catholic/nationalists were really not treated well whatsoever, and what kicked off the troubles was largely an escalation of what was a defence against violence aimed toward those people.

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking the IRA dindu nuffin-they strayed VERY far from being "freedom fighters" VERY quickly, but it is an even bigger lie to imply that irish people did not need some sort of uprising to fight back against what was a very unfair society.

>>1235360
>WHY DON'T YOU STOP USING EURO, USE STERLING, REEEEEEEEE
>UK is only place in Europe that uses Sterling

Yes, WE are the weird, different outcasts who need to be brought to heel. Enjoy your caliphate.

>>1235202
nah

>>1235360
>ireland
>border checkpoints

lol nigger there's barely a border. Most people cross it without even knowing.

Also
>you just hate britain

If you're not a shitty third world fuckhole, that is a perfectly good reason to not want to join Britain. Which I don't. I am not British, I don't really identify with anything british and I love irish culture, history and all that guff.

Also, shitting all over English superiority just gets me so, so hard.

>>1235360
>brits are THIS mad that Ireland is now a nicer country to live in

>>1234592
Reminder that the eternal anglo can't be allowed to exist anywhere
Not even in their own homes

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>>1235764
>post yfw the eternal anglo will never stop being mad that at what the British Empire has become

IRA is still active since they began collaborating with other groups. They have something cooking just waiting for leader to follow.

I met a grill who claimed her dad was high up in the IRA on /r9k/ once

>>1235795
Speaking of other groups how did they "get along" with ETA and related organizations?

>>1234592
Northern Ireland belongs to the UK.

IRA doesn't do much nowadays. Drug trade, the occasional murder. Typical scumbag stuff. Only slightly worse than the prod paras.

They mustn't have been that effective if NI isn't occupied by the south yet.

>>1235569
Tbh going to the UN would have been better.

Peaceful means > violent means

>>1235764
Muslims > dubliners

Country folk are great, but seriously fuck Dublin.

>>1235472
>The whole point of it is sovereignty. That's why the EU referendums happening

Except Ireland doesnt have any issues with mass immigration...

>>1235764

Ireland is a total shithole. I mean, I'm sorry, but I've lived there intermittently for over a decade and I prefer Britain or France over it any day. It's expensive, inbred, argumentative, poor, uneducated and arrogant. Its history is full of bloodshed that its proud of for some reason. And when it wasnt fighting it was starving to death. Being home to a few writers and poets does not make you a culturally advanced nation. Fight a fucking war, stop being cowards, stop infighting and do something worthy of recognition.

Someone had to have a go at unifying these god forsaken islands, no point in Irish being bitter all their lives over it

>>1234592
>How important was the Provisional IRA for Ireland?
Very.

Contrary to what SDLP uncle Toms will say were it not for the ra Northern Ireland would have achieved civil rights at a snails pace.

>How active is the IRA today?
Very active at extorting drug dealers for money and occasionally harassing ex-Sinn Fein politicians for leaving.

>Northern Ireland belongs rightfully to (UK/Ireland)?
Ireland.

>How bad were the troubles?
Pretty fucking bad, although the British army and police sure did their part to make sure it was as un-fun as possible.

>How effective were Provisional IRA terrorist tactics (bombings and such)?
On the count they won - pretty effective.

>>1239082
Nah, effort like.

>>1239082
>fight a fucking war, stop being cowards
Irish warriors and soldiers have been known throughout history to be ferocious bastards, even when fighting for someone else-even as late as WW1, Ulster in particular provided some top-tier riflemen.

Ireland really isn't that bad. Dublin is a drug filled shithole and Belfast is faggotry incarnate, but Ireland as a whole is pretty nice.
You can easily avoid shitty areas in most cities-as you do anywhere else-and it's a nice place.

>history so full of bloodshed
Who's history isn't full of bloodshed you fucking mong.

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>>1234592
Ireland leaving the UK was the worst decision they ever made.

>>1239478
>Ulster
>Proper irish

>>1235167
>Imagine some shitty skirmishes on a street, car bombs, people getting stabbed or shot in parks and pubs, people vanishing, and constant police raids.

So ghettos more or less?

>>1234592
John Hume is the protagonist of later 20th century Norn Iron history

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>>1235202
It could have been if it wasn't for the Glorious Revolutio

United British Isles under a Catholic King = God tier

Bloody proddies

Then again Engliah were often prics to us

Then again Irish Jacobites were prepared to fight on behalf of a Britosh king

>>1238560
Un never works.
It can but some country with huge control like ones in the security council can just stop it dead and it happens often.

>>1239517
>Not David Trimble as co-protagonists

>>1239364
Violence is the best attention getter.
Unfortunate but it's the most effective.

>>1239549
America would never let the Brits veto. A labour government or a center-right Tory one would probably let it pass.

>>1239537
If only the Irish had all converted to Protestantism.

reminder that british soldiers used irish children as human shields during shoot outs

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>the major party for unification is left-Wing and would important muzzies by the boatload if they had their way
Why does the world have to be so cruel?

>>1239592
Reminder that this is a lie and also Irish 'freedom fighters' used to blow up irish children

>>1235565
This

>>1239704
>Reminder that this is a lie
There's a video of a British soldier admitting to it. He doesn't seem especially proud of it but he does think it's weirdly amusing that the IRA didn't want to shoot children

>>1239082
Eternal Anglo spotted

>>1234592
>an ira thread
kek, this is gonna be good
anglos always get so triggered when this comes up for some reason

I like the irish, they like us as well really

This IRA stuff is all bullshit and normal people don't care

>>1239716
>Two children were killed and dozens of people were injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

IRA are the real children killers, both English kids and Irish kids mate. Cba pulling up loads of other bombings and fatalities for you

>>1239723
>For some reason
When you realise that IRA are scum you will understand

>>1239500
Don't blame them for leaving though

Should have treated them better

>>1235565
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-interest-repayment-to-britain-1120288-Oct2013/

>>1239683
Surely you mean
>the major party for reunification is a populist movement feeding of James Connolly's legacy that will do anything to achieve its goals, including entering into a coalition with the DUP.

There is nothing particularly left-wing about Sinn Fein. They're only left-wing in opposition. Everyone is left-wing in opposition.

>>1239740
>Reminder that there is confusion around the word "bloody sunday" due to the fact there are in fact two separate occasions upon which British soldiers have fired upon innocent, entirely unarmed irish civilians
>Reminder that there was an entire force of British Soldiers who were notorious for deliberately fucking shit up for civilians
>Reminder that the atrocities comitted by the IRA were due to radicalisation of youth into a false-movement with no right to call themselves the IRA, in response to mounting violence and oppression toward Irish civilians
>Reminder that protestant unionists in NI actually think they are the victims of history in Ireland
>Reminder that some people actually think that Ireland are the bad guys
>Reminder that since Britain took land from the Irish, there has not been a single generation to this day which has not witnessed an uprising
>Reminder that the eternal anglo will NEVER not be triggered by Irish people telling them to just fuck off already

>>1239921
>Reminder that since Britain took land from the Irish, there has not been a single generation to this day which has not witnessed an uprising

So when will there be our uprising? If anything ours is far more likely to be a red/green kickback led by Eamonn McCann and Gerry Carroll, and I don't think that will be very violent.

>>1239937
Well, technically ours is still happening due to the ongoing activity of the IRA.
Unless they do literally nothing for a generation, that's ours.

Although to say that Ireland will not unite in our lifetime is a very silly notion.

Less than 4000 dead in 30 years, really quite a pathetic terrorist campaign when you think about it. 4000 died in one day in 9/11 and probably the same every month in Iraq/Syria etc.

>>1239950
But the IRA are not respected. They are seen as drug dealers who shoot other drug dealers.Their ongoing activity does nothing but polarise nationalists who are sympathetic to them as misguided patriots. Blowing up a prison officer, while an agent of the state is still a bad PR move.

Ireland will unite eventually no doubt, just with kicking and screaming Ulster Unionists.

>>1239957
>flying two planes into two skyscrapers in an extremely densely populated city
>extremely small scale conflict between a police force, british soldiers and an ill to averagely equipped paramilitary in much less densely populated areas, where open conflict was extremeley rare and a lot of killings were kidnappings, murder or accidental as opposed to deaths in skirmishes

Gee, I dunno how they didn't rack up a higher number lad.

>>1239964
IRA a shit, I was really just speaking technically because there's a couple of tiny, irrelevant fags that still call themselves the IRA in the name of fighting british occupation.

Oh of course, Ulster Unionists are the biggest bunch of babies on the planet. Literally tumblr-tier when it comes to getting triggered by anything that isn't in their protestant safe space

>>1238315
>Speaking of other groups how did they "get along" with ETA and related organizations?
They supported each other and Sinn Féin mediated the ceasefire between ETA and the Spanish state

>>1239921
>Bloody Sunday
>Innocent
>Unarmed
>Irish

They've put something in your potatoes son.

>>1239982
>1972
>26 unarmed civvies shot during a protest

>1920
>Fired into a fucking crowd at a sports game, killing 14 and wounding far more

???

>>1239972
>Ulster Unionists will get a built-in veto to a future all-Ireland Dail
>The DUP will be replaced by an even more extreme party.
>They'll get Ulster Scots days in Dublin and funding for their joke of a language
>Orange parades broadcast across RTE as part of a new "shared culture" initiative.


They're already trying to make Orangefest a thing to attract tourism.

>>1240010
jesus no

>>1240010
Feel bad for the tourists already.

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>>1239500
>Ireland leaving the UK was the worst decision they ever made.
Actually the opposite is true. Within 45 years of joining the union we became a horrendous shithole quoted as being worse than Africa and India and within 70 years of independence we became one of the most developed countries in the world. Fortunately we don't have to speculate as to what the future would have been like under English rule, we have a control subject. The shithole known as Northern Ireland that went from the economic and industrial heartland of Ireland to a vegetable on life support, basically an entire province on the dole.

English rule, not even once.

>>1239584
protestantism is the macdonalds of religion

>>1239957
Al Qaeda were deliberately trying to kill as much civilians. The IRA tried to avoid civilian casualties barriing a couple of cases.

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>>1240010
>Year 2100
>Ireland is united and Britain is 99% Muslim
>Radical Ulster Unionists convert to Islam in the face of betrayal by their elected protestant politicians and their wish to unite with the mother country, the United Caliphate.

>Ian Paisley Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr TD: Allahu Akbar, we must carry on the Jihad of our ancestors and purge Al Ayrlanda of the Fenian infidel and reuinite with the Ummah under the rightly guided Windsorid calipate.

>>1240099
Hm I wonder if Northern Ireland might have become worse because materials from Southern Ireland weren't flowing in, and you know ira terrorism once the land has already been split

>>1240115
Right ol' chap we're going to blow up this country famous statue in the middle of the city but we want to kill nobody so just use 50x the amount of explosive we need

>>1240141
Yes, economists more or less universally agree that a united Ireland and the ensuing free trade across the island would be massively mutually beneficial.

However bro-economics on both sides is a massive hindrence to unification because of the mutual belief that the other side of the border is shit and would ruin muh country.

>>1240148
Why does Britain want to hold unto Northern Ireland if it's a burden on the UK?

>>1240181
They don't. They really don't care for us.

Unionists in NI are just so fucking ironclad on staying, and there are constant fear campaigns which are basically "KEEP UNIONIST PARTIES IN POWER OR THE TROUBLES WILL COME BACK"

People continue to vote the same, shitty parties in just because they're unionist, and the rest are essentially irrelevant.

Once there aren't so many people around who remember immediate post-troubles life, they'll stop voting out of fear.

>>1240148
The Uk already has free trade with Ireland since they are both part of the common market. Stop shilling for sinn fien.

There are no border checkpoints any more.

Ireland couldn't pay for the subsidies that this shithole takes in.

Under your thinking maybe the south should join the uk to get access to England, Scotland and Wales in addition to the north instead.

>>1240099
Maybe 30 years of terrorism didn't help? Maybe stupid working class prods not getting an education didn't help? Don't blame the English, they just left Ulster to its own stupid things.

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UNITED ISLES UNDER IRISH CONTROL WHEN

>>1240210
>tfw NI prods are some of the least educated people in the developed world

OUR KULTURE

>>1240215
There are plenty of stupid Catholics too desu. The smart prods leave NI, but the smart Catholics stay.

>>1240223
>tfw getting a career in mental health to help it prosper in NI, especially for men
>tfw conflicted between wanting to leave this shitty country but not wanting to leave all the triggered faggots in such a shitty system

NI needs purged.

>>1240239
If only the government could pay the nationalists to move down south or to America and let the decent prods and Catholics live in peace. Maybe pay the prod paras to move to Australia so they are as far away from each other as possible.

Are you a catholic anon or a Protestant anon?

>>1240250
Raised a protestant (mother from shankill) but we moved away from the city and kind of abandoned the whole religion thing, for the most part.

>inb4 fedora

We just don't really sway either way.
As for Unionist or Nationalist, I have an Irish passport and call myself Irish, however I also have a British passport because who the fuck doesn't want two passports.

tl;dr: No religion, irish moderate unionist, don't want Ireland to unite until the south is fuckin ready. Prod Unionists and orangefags can fuck off. and so can Sinn Fein

>>1240239
why would you pursue such an odd career, anon? Psychology is usually for retards and women

>>1240283
[spoiler]got assblasted by an abuser when I was a youngfag and it fucked me up since getting help as a guy in NI is not only difficult but very embarrassing. Right now I volunteer at samaritans and intend to go into abuse counselling [/spoiler]

Just for the bants, mate.

>>1240291
you sound pretty chill about it
did you like it?
are you gay now?
did your family set up a lynch mob?
was he catholic or proddy?

>>1240277
I can't dislike that view. Why not call yourself British and Irish? I've always seen all Irish as British as Ireland is part of the British isles. You know like you can be a Texan and an American at once.

Otherwise, I'm a bit like you . I'm a moderate unionist who was raised Protestant but is irreligious. I have a British passport, but I might get an Irish one for travelling to the middle East (Ireland never invaded any of those places) for purely pragmatic reasons.

DUP and sinn fein are living cancer.

>>1240298
>tfw fucked up the spoiler

Why do I say things.
>did you like it
lel, but it wasn't all sex famalam. Beatings, cuts and burns, oh my!
Eh. Not gay, my family didn't do shit (didn't do anything till I was 18 to keep it under wraps+dudes already in jail getting raped in england)

He was a prod.
>is that why you hate prods

No.

/blog over

>>1240300
I would call myself British and Irish but I don't consider myself British, at all. Not for sake of IRA shitposting-I have a strong irish identity and traced my family back as far as 1700 to be from Ireland (and shetland, funny enough.)

>but anon, 1700 in ireland doesn't necessarily mean irish forever

No, but I figure it's far back enough for me to say I'm Irish.

Also-regardless of identity-get an Irish passport. If brexit memes their way to a victory it will mean you'll still get cheap holidays because of irish citizenship.

>>1240339
shit nigger I think I've seen you post this before, before /his/ was made
are you a ginger?

>>1240205
>common market
That's not exactly free trade
There's still differences in currency, minor trade regulations and taxation. Ultimately it makes a big difference.

>Ireland couldn't pay for the subsidies that this shithole takes in.
It's not that much of a shithole, I live here and it's a perfectly nice place. Not to mention the south is rich as fuck.

>Under your thinking maybe the south should join the uk to get access to England, Scotland and Wales in addition to the north instead.
Yeah, that would also be an economically beneficial arrangement.

But why bother? There's more of a demand for the North to join the south whereas the counter proposal has non-existent support.

>>1240347
I am not a ginger, but I've posted about this shit before on /soc/ in some faggy "how fucked up are you xD" thread. Cancerous, I know.

>>1240361
'spose there's a lot of people getting buggered as little boys in this country then, strange that both molestors fled to England though, same story with the burning and what not as well where the lad posted a picture of his back with marks all over it

>>1240355
I'd say whatever minor trade barriers with the south are made up for by accessing the rest of the UK anyway.

>>1240369
>posted a picture of his back with marks all over it

Yikes, yup. Hello again, I guess. I was drunk, no bully.

>>1240373
The thing is the rest of the UK is on another island.

As it stands the overwhelming majority of the trade happens with the free state by virtue of just being down the road. A similar thing can be observed in other divided islands like Hispaniola or New Guinea.

>>1240377
small website m8, just be glad you're not posting on /lgbt/

>>1239921
>>1239921
Bloody Sunday was Irish killing Irish, no Anglos were present

>>1240399
>no Anglos were present
p. sure British soldiers are Anglo.

>>1239957
What is pathetic is that out of 364 IRA deaths, 100 were killed by accident

>At least two soldiers killed at the time were 17. In total, 364 IRA members were killed during the Troubles, with more than 100 of these involving accidental shootings or premature bomb explosions.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/troubles-the-children-killed-in-line-of-fire-in-northern-ireland-31136428.html

The IRA are no better than muzzies, democracy hating retards

t. Welsh bro

>>1240413
>Welsh
Absolute cucks.

>>1240413
Welsh are just West English though

>h-heh men of harlech stand ye s-stand ye amirite guise
fuck British democracy, to be honest

>>1240399
1 Para is mostly made up of British

>>1240403
they were Ulstermen who did the shooting, most of them were also in the UVF

>>1240431
Yeah, Anglos.

IRA threads are so ugly

>Inb4 each side blames the other

>>1240439
Accurate simulation of the troubles

>>1240433
your anglo definition is different to mine it seems

>>1240439
That's pretty much what sides are for, bro.

>>1240431
try telling those guys they aren't british

>>1240439
Intelligent people will say that neither side was in the right, that the IRA are faggots but the brits were assholes to the irish. All in all, the usual consensus is that the eternal anglo just cannot fucking hack the banter

>>1240445
Okay, what is Anglo then?

>>1240431
???

No, it was professional British soldiers from the Parachute Regiment, 1st Batt. All the commanders were English. I think you got some other event mixed up

Right

I was under the impression that the Bloody Sunday massacre was carried out by Irish people in the British army

Is this wrong?

>>1239921
>confusion over TWO bloody sundays
>1920
>1972

AND

>1887
>A protest against unemployment in ireland and against a law allowing irish people to be imprisoned without trail
>Attacked by british army and metropolitan police

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>1240447
>eternal anglo just cannot fucking hack the banter

I see no banter in this thread

>>1240463
Yes.

Chiefly because there are no Irish people in the British army, just Brits and west Brits.

>>1240463
you were wrong. There are multiple bloody sundays related to Brits and Irish, but all of them bar perhaps one (1921, outbreaks of violence after IRA killed some detective of something, although Catholics got the short end of the stick after that too)

But yeah, almost all of them are British soldiers/police fucking up irish people.

>>1240413
>welsh
>relevant

Fucking nobody knows anything about Wales. Nobody even talks about it. You faggots are without a doubt the least relevant part of the British Isles.
Literally west english.

>>1234592
IRA has the best songs of any proscribed terrorist group.

>>1240532
A bold claim given the strength of nasheeds.

>>1240535
Are they really songs when the words don't make sense?

They're more like tunes.

[Greet the Qassam men, the guards of palestine, the pegs of the proud land, the students of YASAIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!]

>>1235360
The U.K. is a borderline third world hell-hole.

T.German

>>1240535
nasheeds are normally just readings from the Quran though, not necessarily used by terrorists alone

take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTCBNrTbS9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK5-BUmWGX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt47llMalmc (not quran reading)

and compare to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VO93RPUklk

para tunes tell a story within the context of the struggle being fought by the people who made the songs though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnWTDFzgrg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAQfJ5AZRyk

>>1235235

>Implying you will ever "get the north back"

it was never yours to begin with lmao. At most it will go independent and that will never happen either.

>Scotland becoming independent

If Scotland actually went independent in 2014 its economy would utterly be in the shitter now since the price of oil has gone through the floor since then. They know they can never leave.

>Implying leaving the EU wouldn't help britain.

>>1240563
>it was never yours to begin with lmao.
are you claiming Ulster has never been Irish?
well sir planter I've got bad news for you

>At most it will go independent and that will never happen either.
what's the point of this sentence if you contradict yourself in it?

Still fucking furious that Blair managed to sell out the UK's civil liberties because "muh-slims" when we had the fucking IRA on our doorstep for decades and got along relatively fine.

>>1240563
>never yours to begin with
Yes, it was. The first example I can think of when it comes to separate rule for north and south is when Brian Boru allowed Mael Sechnaill to rule the "northern lands" while he ruled the south, although eventually Brian regained high kingship of all Ireland.

>it will go independent
lel, no. It will unite in our lifetime, for better or worse. It's just the way things are going, mate.

>Scotland
Scotland almost went independent last time. For better or worse, if they do, it'll cause a surge in support for NI leaving.

If Britain leaves EU, it will speed up NI and Scotland separating themselves because support for leaving for the safety of the EU will be a much better prospect to many.

The point is, in our lifetime it is INCREDIBLY likely that the UK will be reduced to the bottom half of Great Britain.

Nobody can say exactly how things will go, but unless some seriously crazy shit goes down it is utter denial to suggest that NI and Scotland at least will stay in for more than a few decades, senpai.

>>1235360
>everything comes down to money
This is why Britain is cucked.

>>1240571

I am claiming that Ulster has never at any point in history been a part of a united Ireland that wasn't also under the UK, therefore there is no "getting back" anything. The ROI has all the land it has ever controlled currently, and before the UK conquered Ireland the place was a bunch of divided kingdoms.

I said at most it will go independent, but that will never happen.
The "Never happen" was obviously hyperbolic in nature. More accurately what I meant was "The likelyhood of this occuring is extremely low"

>MFW having to explain this to you.

>>1240587

Keep dreaming Paddy Mick =^)

>>1240596
But it's not even about "taking it back" for most people. It's about Unification.

Not even the IRA are saying "give us back our country" they are saying" get the brits out of ireland."

Do you really think a play on words is enough to shut down all movements for a United Ireland?

So "never yours to begin with" is a bit daft, because if we're talking about "ireland" or even about divided kingdoms as far back as fucking "Ulaidh" then the point is that it is for the irish people as part of the island of ireland, as opposed to a little british corner for the british people living in ireland.

Brits out does not equal, "give it back." It means Brits out. Simple stuff.

Also,

>yfw you have no face you meme loving fuck

>>1240596
>The ROI has all the land it has ever controlled currently,
it hasn't ever controlled this much land as a unified polity before the creation of the Free State though
fact is Northern Ireland was created along completely arbitrary lines though, I'd be fine with a Northern Ireland where the regions with majority Unionists remained in the Union and majority Nationalist regions went to the Republic
Unionists don't like democracy when it's applied to them though

>>1240617

All polls say the majority of NIrish don't want to join the Republic.
I don't know what movement you are referring to. I haven't heard of any strong movement that is anti-UK in NI, it's always coming from people in the south.

>>1240639

>>1240599
Not a dream.

Scotland came very close and will inevitably leave the next chance it gets.

Unionism in NI is an absolute shambles; fear tactics result in full retard parties like DUP staying in power, and suddenly people are realising that there are other nationalist options than Sinn Fein.
Give it a few elections and once all the people triggered enough to fall for "muh troubles" fear campaigns have died out or gone senile, people will vote based on what parties are good as opposed to which ones will keep "themmuns" out.

Then they'll suddenly see that there isn't a single non-shit Unionist party except perhaps the UUP, who are only not-shit because they don't really fucking do anything.

Brexit has resulted in a huge surge for irish passports, and suddenly people are realising that a united ireland won't mean "Troubles 2: Electric Boogaloo" but actually just the same shit, different currency and proabably some salty unionists.

But Unionists can't start a war to get BACK into the UK if the UK don't fucking want them, can they?

tl;dr: Unification is inevitable. Not saying that's a good thing by any stretch of the imagination, but it's coming.

>>1240639
hey the majority of some neighborhoods in London want to join the Caliphate why don't we let them

>>1240644
>tfw NI is already so numb to terrorism that muslims decide we're probably not even worth bombing because we're clearly up for the bants

>>1240642
You and I will be dead when Scotland leaves the UK

>>1240642

>Very close
>A 10 point loss at a time when it was actually in a fairly good position for being independent, which it is no longer.

A difference of 10% in a poll is pretty significant, a 0.5% - 2% would be "almost" winning. 10% is a vast gaping abyss of a difference and now Scotland is in a very poor position. All that "fear-mongering" regarding how unstable an independent Scottish economy would be has come true.

>Just give it time and the thing I want to happen will definitely happen because reasons.

okay m8

>>1240658
I doubt it.

>>1240660
>things I want to happen
Fug no. I might be irish but NI needs to stay in UK right now.

I say "give it time" because the trends are not changing and if that's how "close" Scotland came in the first referendum in fucking forever, I really can't imagine it not happening last time unless the UK does something to cause a lot of support for staying in the future, which seems to be the opposite of what Brexit is, and even without Brexit the attitude seems to be "you had your fun, now shut up" toward the people who wanted to leave.

NI is a slower process, but I've already listed reasons as to why Unionism is not a stable superiority there. Every year criticism builds up toward Unionist culture, unionist politians, everything. Suddenly the "shared future" that was promised is showing up because Irish shit is everywhere.
Unionists are triggered and start protesting and all sorts to protect their "identity" but none of the parties do anything to stop the criticism of them and how much they cucked NI into the abyss.

I would like to see everyone stay and not lop themselves off from the UK for the sake of "muh identity" but I cannot fathom a future in which the UK/Unionist Parties manage to improve things so much that people see them as something they feel they need to be a part of-whether they're right or wrong, thankfully we'll be near death enough not to have to worry.

>>1240662
ofug read that wrong
bit late

>How bad were the troubles?
violent, but violence was more it's in more gang/crime infested cities in the US than in actual war zone. shit's just over-romanticized by irishboos because they missed the last real war.

>>1235565

>I like English people but you have absolutely no clue how to run a country.

Said by somebody who lived under Bertie and now Enda. Jesus Christ. Irish government is hopelessly corrupt and hapless for it.

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>>1240420
>>1240416
>>1240491
>being this triggered about Wales
Native inhabitants of this isle, and the best.

I WAS BORN IN A DUBLIN STREET

>>1242237
Go back to your sheep, Daffyd.

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>>1242241
Irish Republican/Nationalist music is trash.

>>1242244
See pic

>>1242237
Practically everyone whose family was on the isles before the 50s is a native inhabitant.

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>>1242265
>Someone actually made this meme
>People have actually used it unironically

>>1240617

>Not even the IRA are saying "give us back our country" they are saying" get the brits out of ireland."
>implying those aren't the same thing

>>1242287
See: >>1242265

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>>1242287
What's wrong with the meme?

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>>1242299
>Someone actually made this meme
>People have actually used it unironically

>>1242304
Were you cuckolded by BIG WELSH COCK?

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>>1242305
>BIG
>WELSH
>COCK

>>1242304
What's wrong with the meme?

>>1242303
Are people still making new ones of these? I thought Blingee was dead?

>>1242306
little anglo pussies?

>>1240485
>Irish
>Not British

Pick one
British isles = British
That includes ireland

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>>1242419
>Not from Britain
>Somehow British

>>1234592
As an Irishman, I'd like the north back, but the IRA are cunts and being this salty over some shit land filled with people who hate each other is autistic.
The troubles were terrible and the tactics of the IRA and UVF were horrendous.

>>1242437
But we are from Britain.

>>1242454
No, the British isles.

More specifically we're from Ireland.

>>1242237
>best inhabitants
>nobody knows anything about you
>not even a russian smoke-signal board has ever had a thread dedicated to Wales

>>1242419
>thinking the name of a place MUST also dictate the political borders and the nationality of those within it

So would you say the Repiblic of Ireland is British, you flying retard?

>>1242446
Would you not say that all nationalists are salty about having their nations lands taken by an imperial power? Most national liberation movements come from grievances held by one group to another. In Ireland's case when their was popular support across the island for a Republic, at the very least dominion status, a border was drawn that divided the nation in a meticulous way to ensure that a Unionist/Protestant ruling class was formed.

The IRA and UVF did horrendous things but I can see why the Republican movement became violent and why loyalism reacted how it did.

>>1242534
"no."

The thing about Ulster is that post-plantation, there were a lot of people there who considered themselves British and protestant. Ireland at the time was very, very Catholic, and the Republic of Ireland would continue to be so. The people in Ulster did not want to be ruled by Catholics and that was a huge factor in why Ulster stayed British.

However, now this argument is now void.
Protestant or Catholic faith is not under attack, but in NI you will constantly hear about "Protestants" being attacked.

This is incorrect.
The majority of "protestants" don't actually practice religion. Many of the ones I group up with said they didn't even believe in god.

The thing about Prods in NI is that it is little more than the alternative to "Catholics" who are the same in many ways but due to the nature of their faith they have to actually go to church the odd time and so on.

Protestantism in NI is supporting rangers, loving Britain, voting Unionist, burning bonfires with tricolours (or often ivory coast flags because they're retarded) and marching around off your fucking nut on the 12th of July.

Being Catholic is being a salty, salty salmon on the 11th, protesting on the 12th and usually ending up in a fight hen the prod smicks collide with the catholic smicks.

Protestantism is also associated with conservatism, and this is a big reason why it's declining because the hyper-progressive kiddies grow up hating that sort of stuff now.

Weekly flag protests outside city hall for NO reason, constant bickering and accusations of attacks on their faith when the reality is that their faith is as healthy as ever, it's just their faggy "culture" and politics people here are sick of.

tl;dr-""""""Protestants"""""" wanted Ulster to stay british because of Irish catholic rule at the time. Today, however, they're just tumblr-tier triggerfaggots who are demanding a safe space.

Question for UK folks:

Why do so many Neo-Nazi groups (like Skrewdriver, B&H, etc) really get into Ulster nationalism and hate the idea of Irish self-governance? Seems like the Irish are pretty red-pilled and go against foreign cultural influence.

Are there any pro-Irish extreme right groups?

>>1242566
Like >>1242564 said, Ulster "nationalism" is associated with right wing and conservative policies.
Sometimes in ways that really don't make sense.

>"We want to be british, we are british, we will do as the british do!"
>Britain passes laws for gay rights and marriage
>"n-no, sometimes it's okay to be different"

Ulster Unionist parties also aren't big fans of refugees, while several of the nationalist parties are, having held "refugees welcome" demonstrations in Belfast (mostly made up of University students, mind you.)

The term "NO SURRENDER" is the tagline of Unionism in Ulster, as if they are "defending" ulster against Irish occupation or attack, despite the fact it is the IRA faggots in NI who are actually refusing to "surrender" so to speak.

Ireland is resistant of outer cultures largely because it's own culture has been so fucked by outside forces for so long that it's become a self contained mixing pot of all sorts of irish/anglo/west anglo and scottish nonsense. You will find your little irish bars and so on, but now when people say they are "Irish" they mean "I am from Ireland" with few cultural connotations.
Most people who are into Irish culture are also /his/fags because you need to go back a good bit to reach a point where Irish culture is a prominent, celebrated thing.

Most of today's Irish "culture" is essentially anniversary's of days that either horrible or hype things happened in Ireland, such as the Easter Rising's 100 year anniversary, for a recent example.

>>1242564
I agree that both 'Catholic' and 'Protestant' are lazily used to group people and attribute tags to them when in reality their is 'Lisburn Road Protestantism' and 'Sandy Row Protestantism', and the same for 'Catholic' areas.

I would say being salty at a 12th parade through an area where very few of the residents want it is a valid position because of the nature of the Orange Order parades and the recent violence and alcoholism that go with it. The parades feel unwelcoming and smack of superiority, at least in Bselfast. In Rosnowlagh they're actually respectable.

>>1242566
No. National liberation is associated with the left since Connolly.

>>1242566
No. Irish nationalism is a national liberation movement and as such aligns itself with the west. Ulster/British nationalism is an imperialist movement and as such it opens itself up to white power movements.

Though some second generation Polish immigrants like to call themselves Irish then chimp out and be fascist to express their asshurt about communism.

>>1242613
*with the left

>inb4 Freudian slip

>>1242604
Oh yeah, the 12th and the orange order in general can fuck off.

You go to a bonfire, NOBODY knows the history behind the bonfires other than "well we did it last year."

You ask about the 12th of July, and they will know about the Battle and King "Billy" but they won't know a thing about the significance of the battle, nor will they know about some of the horrible things which the protestants did in the aftermath, nor will they know about really anything other than "THE PROTESTANTS WON"

Marching a big reminder of that through a catholic area is a double "fuck you" because it's "look how hard we fucked you, we don't even know how hard we fucked you" and it's nonsense.

>>1242596
>>1242604
>>1242613
Wow, thanks lads, I learned something today.

Cheers.

>>1242622
The worst part is they don't know that fucking Pope Alexander XIV was an ally of William. They're aren't just reminding people that they won, they're reminding Catholics of the years of subjugation they faced. Then they have the audacity to turn around and claim 'Orangefest' is an all-inclusive celebration that Catholics should take part in as part of our shared future.

The whole 12th just seems like an excuse for a piss up to waste public money resufacing car parks and getting grants to not burn tires and to steal pallets from local business.

The worst part is the Internment Bonfires republicanism tried to copy. I don't know why you'd want to copy such cancerous behaviour but they aren't nearly as popular.

>>1242653
They also don't know that King Billy wanted to institute a policy of religious freedom similar to the Dutch republic but Brits were like "Okay, except for Catholics fuck them".

>>1242659
Well obviously, that would get in the way of the 'we won' narrative. So did James I think which is why the Catholic Irish sided with him.

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>>1242653
>>1242659
I am so happy I'm not the only one eternally assblasted by how retarded the whole thing is.

They will bitch and whine about their history and culture without fucking knowing anything about it.

I would honestly be A-OK with some sort of commemoration or "celebration" of the battle if it was done in the same way all historical commeomorations should be done-a day based upon remembering and informing of what the fuck went down.

Not hundreds of lads all pissed up on Bucky marching around screaming no surrender while their sister Demmy-Lee gets fingered by Declan in the ford fiesta parked waiting for it all to kick off so they can throw some bottles then complain on facebook the next day about the "PSNIRA"

Fucking god dammit I hate this place so much

>>1242674
There will never be a civil commemoration, at least in the cities because it is all about lauding over Catholics and reminding them that NI is here to stay. There are civil commemorations but they are in Donegal and Cavan because the people there are interested in the actual culture, not the piss up.

>>1242697
That saddens me, although I'd actually be semi-interested in checking out Donegal or Cavan in that case.

Being into irish history in NI is difficult, if it wasn't last years 12th or 1690 nobody wants to know.

>>1242719
In Rossnowlagh there is a Protestant population that do their parading the week before the 12th. I think it was part of Donegal the the Boundary Commission 1923(?) advocated being transferred to NI. It has a great beach being in Donegal. It's actually quite strange to see an Orange parade without that many Union Flags, Adidas tracksuits and bucky though i think this is because they aren't in the Union they have no position they feel they need to defend.

>>1240141
Yes, it's a shame the protestants started the troubles.

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>Be me
>Be living in Belfast
>It's the 12th
>Stay in and shitpost
>Next day
>Go outside
>It's like a bomb went off made of Buckfast bottles, puke and McDonalds papers.

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>anytime I see IRA/anti-brit stuff posted by irish people I always join in to shitpost about how the irish suck dick
>shitpost about how they're all terrorists
>tfw read this thread and learned things
>tfw now morally conflicted between continuing to shit on ireland despite my regular shitposts now triggering the /his/ in me

>>1243788
>be irish (dublin)
>forced to constantly explain shit to various sentimental irish-american fucks that don't have a clue
>obliged to smile politely as they explain how their great-grandfather was given a wedgie by a black and tan or whatever the fuck
>unable to give a solitary fuck about partition (half my friends live in london now, guess it's not so bad)
>constantly confronted with the reality that many, many people honestly and sincerely believe that ongoing partition is this Great Wrong that something has to be done about
>just wish everyone would shut the fuck up about it, it's beyond unimportant

The only saving grace is how salty NI nationalists can get when they realise at least a simple majority of people down here literally couldn't give a fuck. Unbelievable how pissed off some of them get.

>>1242456
>British Isles
>Not British

Pick one

>>1242506
Yes.
It's not hard to get. You can be English and British, Scottish and British, welsh and British and of course Irish and British.

>>1244333
L I T E R A L westbrit

>>1242446
>Back
>Implying it's yours.

>>1244421
That's not how it works, anon.

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>>1244434
pre-plantation it certainly was Irish
you can have this bit though

>>1244333
"Look how much I don't give a fuck, haha I fuckin hate all those people who give so many fucks"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

>>1244450
That is how it works.
Otherwise it's like saying that the Japanese aren't Asians because they aren't part of mainland Asia, whenever Japan is considered part of Asia. Ireland is in the British isles and therefore it's populace are British. It's not mutually exclusive.

>>1244470
>Otherwise it's like saying that the Japanese aren't Asians because they aren't part of mainland Asia,
nigger what
what a shite analogy

>>1234592
>Be me
>Be Southern Irish
>Its fucking shit
>Our country will never achieve anything
>The only thing we've ever done is contribute to the destruction of the British Empire and bring about the era of degeneracy we have now
>Tfw your great grandfather died in ww1 fighting for the British
>Tfw your economy is going to collapse
>Tfw you wish we could be united again.

>>1244470
But when people call japs asian they are almsot always referring to race, not "they are in asia."
Then when people ask "where is japan" someone says "in asia."

Nigger what the fuck are you talking about, are you high?

>>1244464
Let's give the whole of America back to the natives. Anatolia back to the Greeks, the whole of subsaharan Africa back to the khoi-san.

>>1244427
>>1244465
See? Salty af. I know you grew up in this bubble, lads, where you thought all you had to was throw of the yoke of the oppressor and you'd be greeted with open arms, the prodigal son, long a province now a blah blah blah.

Well, you won't be. You'll be regarded with a mixture of suspicion and disdain, just like you are now. And a small number of sycophants, if you're into that shit. Careful what you wish for, as the saying goes.

>>1244489
I agree
aren't many Natives left though

>>1244494
I'm from Dublin as well pal
why project your hatred of fellow Irishmen on the whole country, just fuck off to London with your m8s

>>1244488
Not British by nationality, but British as in they live in the British isles.

>>1244511
according to who though
you could call Ireland the Emerald Isles and the rest the British Isles and both names would be equally arbitrary

>>1244511
But that's not how anyone says it, and it isn't true. You can say "Ireland is in the British Isles" but the people there are not British. British Isles is a geographical term which has no political implications or dictations of borders whatsoever.

It did once, but it no longer does.
You keep saying "this is so simple guys, how do you not get it" but you will get some funny looks if that's how you think names of places work, lad.

>>1244507
>fellow Irishmen

a bloo bloo. I'm in favour of people not being gobshites, that all. Stop being a gobshite instead of crying over your feefees getting hurtied.

>>1244494
Galway here. You're the definition of a virtue signalling faggot. I know people like you. You're in the minority and you're way more assblasted than you make out the shinners to be.

During the centenary of the rising one of my friends posted on his facebook feed something like

"we shouldn't celebrate the rising because it was terrorism and terrorism recently happened in belgium so fuck all these stupid nationalists, bla bla bla"-This is the only thing I saw on the rising, all the Shinners styed quiet, even the insane ones who think the UK is a jewish conspiracy.

Literally you. It's a strawman but that is what you sound like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
again, in case you didn't get it the first time.

>>1244536
you type like an arsehurt woman lad
>I'm in favour of people not being gobshites
lead by example then

>>1244530
>>1244528
>>1244488
>>1244480
Why are you getting baited this hard, and does the laughably ineffective nature of your engagement with the bait share a common cause?

>>1244556
hurr durr
there's a reason you didn't get trips you massive faggot

>>1244538
>i know you
>you're this nail i have a hammer for
>you're like this friend of mine who said a silly thing once
>isn't he silly
>that's you

Yep I'm definitely the assblasted one m8. Good call.

>>1244530
Its not over political implications.
People who live in the British isles are British.
Ireland is in the British isles
Therefore people who live in Ireland are British and Irish, irregardless of their actual ethicity (which confusingly might be Irish or Ulster Scots ).

>>1244548
>no YOU'RE the butthurt one and also a big girly girl like a girl

Scarlet for you desu m8.

>>1244581
>Yep I'm definitely the assblasted one m8.
exactly.

"but I'm just in favour of people not being a cunt"
yeah sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

>>1244538
I went to the National Graves Commeration in April where they unveiled the refurnished Republican memorial in Glasnevin. This was the only non-denominational Republican event welcome to all, with live entertainement outside the GPO before the march, the offical state commeration closed off O'Connell street to the public, the very people who were entitled to it. I travelled from the north and by my estimation it was mostly made up of northerners, probably no more than a few hundred marched to Glasnevin. I honestly felt ashamed for this country, no different from other western globalised shithole

>>1244595
>Scarlet for you desu m8.
not a very masculine phrase mang, is your name Aoife or Nicole or something

>>1244605
Like I said, the one saving grace. All I have to do is honestly say what I think, and people go insane with rage for whatever dipshit reason. What was that link again, pal? I didn't see it.

>>1244617
I know it's not, I'm mocking you. I suppose your life is just full of people mocking you in ways you don't understand. That's a shame.

>>1244589
It is, British implicitly means of the United Kingdom.

Making it about geographical boundaries is retarded. They're not from Britain, they are from the British Isles, but they're also from Europe, Eurasia, Afro-Eurasia, Earth, the Solar System, the Milky Way, and the universe.

Just how big are you going to go with geographical distinctions?

Or you could just do what non-autistic people do and go by political distinctions.

>>1244625
>I suppose your life is just full of people mocking you in ways you don't understand. That's a shame.
put the claws away Saoirse you're really tearing at my feefees :'(

>>1244589
As much as one might like to see it, language is political and cannot be whitewashed of meaning. The etymology behind the modern term "British Isles" goes back to the Royal Imperial Geographer John Dee in the 16th century who resurrected a long disused label from the Greeks who called it the "Pretanic isles", by naming the territory "British" this automatically makes assumptions as to soveignty over the territory. i.e. belonging to the British

>This thread

Ah yes, there is something I hate more than Brits.

Fucking Dubliners.

>>1244625
>All I have to do is honestly say what I think
"All I have to do is say what I, as a supreme Dubliner, and the rest of Ireland thinks about the Northerners, with their similarly monolithic opinions, which I'll stress are diametrically opposed to my own despite me not giving a fuck and them being really butthurt"

ok m8

>What was that link again, pal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling


>inb4 he accuses me of being a northerner.
nope.

>>1244633
I'm not saying use the geographic term exclusively ( or much at all) but just that it's technically true.. The French are Europeans, they identify as French, but that doesn't stop them being European. Let's say that the European union forms one state, does that mean that the Swiss are no longer European?

>>1244633
>Or you could just do what non-autistic people do

Buddy, you're responding to bait. Other people aren't the ones in need of instruction on what non-autists do.

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>>1244675
Europe is a continent
not a political entity

>>1244662
>Dubliners
>>1244673
>Dubliner

Don't you people have some porridge to eat or some relatives to fuck or whatever it is you do with your days?

But I mean, thanks for confirming: extra salty. My programme's coming on Radio 4 now, must dash, but it's been a giggle and a half.

>>1244589
>People who live in the British isles are British.
That's where you're wrong. People who live in Britain are British, There is currently no demonym for people who live in the British Isles.

>>1244675
Europe is also a political abstraction like the British isles.

In truth we're all actually Asians.

>>1244675
You are trying to force an identity on people who do not want it, the Irish nation did not achieve independence until the 20th century and never had a say until then to reject this label but it was made clear over the centuries when the Irish people where subjected to their British neighbours who tried to force them to conform to their "civilised ways" and culture. In the same way as the British Empire expanded over many different races and ethnicities who were not British, just because the dominator has the power to say shit doesn't make it so

>>1244695
eternal anglo and his divide et impera at it again

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>>1244695
>Go to Dublin
>Everyone begs for money
>4/10 people are visibly addicted to crack

>Dubliners still act sophisticated and like everyone else is a pleb on the internet.

>>1244696
the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist community in the North self-identity as British mostly and that is their right. Undoubtably Ireland is inhabited by two ethno-nationalities

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>>1244695
I never insulted Dubliners, you're the one who mentioned the fact that you were from Dublin

>Don't you people have some porridge to eat or some relatives to fuck or whatever it is you do with your days?
Are you sure you aren't getting at least a small bit emotionally invested in this conversation?

I mean you started out by slagging Northerners, progressed to slagging culchies and you still believe that you're the objective, unbiased one?

If you just want the bantz that's fine, but you yourself said "I'm in favour of people not being gobshites, that's all"

>>1244741

Its like people pretending to be vampires/transgender or whatever, nobody has to accept it

>>1244741
True, but they do so based on ethnicity and political nationality rather than Geographic.

> Undoubtably Ireland is inhabited by two ethno-nationalities
I would say two nationalities, British and Irish, as well as four ethnicities, Gaelic Irish, Anglo-Irish, Ulster-Scots and Knackers

>>1244713
This would be a good copy pasta.
So angry at one small thing.

>>1234592

Why do Irishmen like the Armalite so much and why do they have such great taste?

>>1244767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvsFuk6RuE

AK47s are for Arabs 2bh, Armalite is the thinking rebels weapon

>>1244764
But ethicity and political nationality do not cancel out geographic terms.
That doesn't mean we should use geographic much, but that doesn't stop it being there.

>>1244767
You clearly haven't seen their homemade guns

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>>1244779
pic related

>>1244690
I'm arguing against the idea that people can't be X because it's from a geographic term. Would you agree that the Japanese are Asians?

>>1244767
The AR-18 was one of the first intermediate assault rifles the Provisional IRA recevied in the early years of the troubles from American sources. They were well received because of their good quality, collapseable stock (easily hid) and decent performance. Of course, as time went on the IRA gradually got more stock from eastern sources but there was a nostalgia for the AR

>>1244695
>Dublin

lol, how's the crack addiction? Your city is shit.

>>1244798
why do people worship these chavs

>>1245781
Their inner lives are barren enough to need a 'cause' but they're too chickenshit to put themselves in harm's way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-T7r9xfcE

Posting kek-worthy Protestant Unionist content. Enjoy, anglocucks and bogniggers alike.

For context:

>Union Flag has flown daily from Belfast City Hall for a long time
>Government decides "alright guys, lets just start flying it on the same designated day the rest of the UK does as according to the UK Government's rules on government buildings"
>Unionists triggered to infinity
>Riots ensue
>Weekly protests to this day outside the city hall to get the flag flying daily

>>1234592
>How important was the Provisional IRA for Ireland?
stupid question
>How active is the IRA today?
not very
>Northern Ireland belongs rightfully to (UK/Ireland)?
ireland
>How bad were the troubles?
very bad in belfast
>How effective were Provisional IRA terrorist tactics (bombings and such)?
very

>>1248841
>IRA
>Effective

Guess who NI currently belongs to?

Not Ireland ( they have weak claim now any way)

>>1248972
they got what they wanted

>>1234592
This thread has a severe lack of IRA music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-8yx5K_LCo

>>1249129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P9GlKf63RA

>>1249095
A united Ireland? They didn't.
Civil rights? They should have had them to start with.

>>1249254
>They should have had them to start with

But they didn't, and the British were somewhat slow to learn their lesson.

>>1249254
all conflicts end with some sort of legal document or accord, some political rather than military resolution, basic military history

in this case you look at who gained what, or the most, and who lost what and SF gained more than their counterparts

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>>1238526
Are they running a pedophile ring?

>1249483

A Political settlement was possible because both the IRA and the British government were aware there could be military defeat over the other. Sure the British security may gain dominance over paramilitaries but it will never eraditate the organisation and completely remove the threat. The best option is to create a buy in for all participants of the conflict to create more stable and secure political scene in N.Ireland.

Sinn Fein and I would say most of the IRA leadership was ready for peace since the late 80's. What they traded in terms of miltiary power they got in political power and concessions in government. Not a success of original objectives, but hardly a failure neither

>>1249254
Shhh, they needed a myth to accept the peace.

>>1249653
The IRA absolutely aren't. The one thing the paramilitary groups despise, weirdly enough, is kiddy-fiddlers.
Drug/gun smuggling? Whatever. Bombs? Great! Murders? As long as it's one of "themmuns."

But if you fuck a kid in a low income neighbourhood, a UVF and IRA man will hold hands while they bash your legs in with bats.

>>1249928
Oh, really?

I mean, it's getting into breaking the >25 years rule, but there's a good deal to suggest otherwise. Not that I'm saying the other guy is on to something with the 'paedophile ring' stuff, just saying there've been revelations in the last few years.

>>1249865
Then nobody won.

The Loyalist objective was the continuation of the status quo, and that certainly didn't occur.

>>1249953
The thing you have to understand about these groups is that they are incredibly splintered and divided.
There is often a sense of community felt by members of groups, especially in low income areas-the way an estate might have its "local police officer" imagine that a little area has its local 3 or 4 lads that have ties to a certain group.

So if a kid in that area gets fucked and there's suspicions point at someone, if they police don't get them the paramilitaries will. In the build up to catching him, messages such as "John Smith-PEADOPHILE" and so on.

Peadophile rings are a thing in NI (Especially in the boy scouts), but to be honest the paramilitary groups are not really related to them. Not knowingly, at least.

>>1249985
I mean again I'm hesitant because of the 25 year thing, but in case you don't know, google Liam Adams and proceed from where the links take you.

Again, not saying any bullshit about paedophile rings, just saying the idea that paramilitary forces are notably virtuous in terms of protecting child rapists isn't at all justified.