The Tiananmen square massacre anniversary is approaching. Is

>>1233698
9/11 or Kennedy assassination

>>1233726
or Apollo moon landing, or citizens destroying the Berlin wall at Potzdamer Platz, or the little naked girl running in the street after Napalm bombing in Vietnam. Trying to think of images people internationally would recognize. I don't think the JFK assassination would be it, but 9/11 2001 probably.

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The Fall of Communism

>>1233736
>Apollo moon landing
Of course
Except this footage was planned, the other footage mentioned was luck or coincidence that it was captured

>>1233765
The Romanian revolution footage of theater speech is pretty good

https://youtu.be/uv7-LVFgd8U

The sounds of communism crumbling

>>1233698
Did he die?

>>1233779

Probably. He was dragged off by some Chinese police and to my knowledge was never heard from again.

>>1233698
What was Tianamen square actually about?

I heard it was against Deng Xiaoping style reforms, but it seems like whenever it comes up it's always
>hurr anti-commie freedom fighters

>>1233782
The real hero that day was the tank commander

>>1233786
It was a student movement which turned into a workers movement which turned into an anti government movement

>>1233786
Hu Yaobang, was a popular leader in the commie party. He was a pretty democratic leader for a commie, he supported freedom of speech, press, religion, etc.

Anyway, he died :D. Students liked his ideals, so they showed up to be sad or whatever, it turned into a pro democratic protest, where students started talking about freedom, attracting other people mostly other students and workers.

Jiang Zemin, wanted to demonstrate him as a powerful leader by taking care of the protests something the other leaders didn't do.

So he called in the military, and you know the rest.

The 'July 4th incident' is shushed in china to 1984 degrees of censorship. The chink government really doesn't want people seeing what happened.

>>1233829
>July 4th incident
It's June 4th senpai

>ywn stop a tank column while holding grocery bags

Why didn't he just drop his bags before going out there?

>>1233907
What would he flail at the tank?

>>1233904
Yea sorry.

>>1233907
He was just a dude passing by, btw this is a day after the real massacre thing.

I always wondered what was inside that shopping bag

>>1233949
doggos

>>1233949
szechuan kitten

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>>1233765
What's funny is, if this gif happened 50 years later people would be like

"OMG, that's historical, WTF are you DOING?!"

I still feel that way. Regardless of how one feels about the bolsheviks. If the Russians depicted are becoming good capitalists, why not put the Lenin statue in a Museum and charge people to see it?

>>1233829
>shushed to 1984 degrees

Ha. This makes me want to mail SD card with that gif on it to random people in China.

>>1233790
And the student movement in turn started out due to students getting angry about the government importing African blacks into their universities.

>>1234017
Source?

I know a white American kid who moved to China for schooling (not Hong Kong, either, actual China) and I wonder if they're pissed about white foreigners, too.

>>1234030
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/05/world/africans-in-beijing-boycott-classes.html?pagewanted=1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phillip-martin/the-stain-on-chinas-pro-d_b_214982.html
http://diaspora.northwestern.edu/mbin/WebObjects/DiasporaX.woa/wa/displayArticle?atomid=711

>>1234045
I heard African students would try and set up "no Chinese males allowed" parties. You just don't do that in someone else's country unless you want to get fucked up. Of course, it's unfair to label all African students as horny bastards but a few of them were.

>>1234015
Talking about the June 4th incident would get you invited for tea with the cops in china. The internet users have to use rubber ducks to talk about it.

Also, i think the chinese authorities would screen the SDs.

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>>1233698
Does the KMT ever try to sneak info to the Chinese people around this time? Also, did the KMT react in any way to the massacre? Getting Chinese people aware would really make the KMT more popular (they're not even that popular in Taiwan kek).

>>1234148
>have to use rubber ducks
wut

>>1233998
>50 years later
>1989

Time traveller detected

1984 levels aren't even close. The date is banned in all languages, across all sites. Even math equations near the number are banned during this time of year. Talking, writing, or any form of communication gets you arrested.

>>1234180
The people who got massacred were communists, and were massacred for counter-revolutionary reasons.

The KMT should be proud.

>>1234206
Well, source?

>>1233789
Who was probably shot and killed.

>>1233829
>The 'July 4th incident' is shushed in china to 1984 degrees of censorship. The chink government really doesn't want people seeing what happened.
That's pretty easy to do given that the whole thing happened only in Beijing.

Westerners love to always tout June 4 as some "Berlin Wall" moment-to-be for China when in reality, the whole country would be drowning in civil war for one to be able to truly say that "China is changing gubmints."

>>1234017
>ckk rally birthed the tianamen riots

they had alot of sex with locals
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

>>1233698
Tienanmen square is a solid piece of wet bullshit. It was used to disrupt Chinese communism and self-determination.

Western democracies funded and were involved in encouraging these Chinese fools.

The west uses this even to this day to attempt to reassert dominance over the Chinese.

Tienanmen square memorials is about Chinese shills betraying their own people to westerners.

>>1234350
You mean Chinese """"""""""Communism""""""""""?

Along with Chinese """""""""""""""self-determination"""""""""""""""?

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>>1234359

>>1234345
I wonder why nobody ever calls the Chinese racist; that's some antebellum Dixie level shit

>>1233789
who was also probably executed for that very same reason, yes

>>1234367
It's a meme in Southeast Asia that Chinese and assorted East Asians are racist.

>>1233972
I kek'd

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>>1233998

There are better ways to handle statues.

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>>1233778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZikLuqt68

Harun Farocki's movie about the romanian revolution is pretty great.
The only full version in youtube isnt translated though, sadly

>>1234318
>Whole country would be drowning int a civil war.
Anon you make it sounds like that's a bad thing.

>>1234418
I remember being edgy too, kid.

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>>1234195
I meant people viewing the gif 50 years from now.
Worded that poorly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbc1Fs3Om-0

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>>1234188
I think he means proxies

>>1234379
>implying they aren't

t. Zhang or Takeshi

>>1233786
Basically the students wanted complete liberalization RIGHT NOW in the style of Gorbachev's reforms but had nothing else outside that. It's like occupy Wall Street. As you know it wouldn't really work and the students were generally despised by the workers and farmers, especially outside Beijing. They had no serious backers and had no popular support. The protest, alike another said in this thread, also had its origins in anti-African protests, although that I don't really mind.

>>1234350

0.50 yuan has been deposited in your account

>>1233698
*was

Im p sure the CPR army took good care of him

>>1233698
did he died

Tiananmen actually changed something in China despite the hush about it within the PRC. The CCP realised they could no longer use all put brutal force on the population without the protest spreading to other regions or enormous international backlash. So now rhe CCPs tactic is to allow protesting and rioting to occur as long as they monitor its spread. It's a tactic that lets the people blow of steam and show frustration towards the government.

There were 180,000 protests in 2014 alone.

>>1233786
Students went full Eastern Europe 1989.

Deng said fuck no.

For good reason.

>>1233829
>Jiang Zemin ordered it

Uhhh....... No.

That order came from Deng.

And Deng was the one who let the situation spiral out of control. He tried to be nice, and the students took advantage.

>>1234206
I talked with my professor about it yesterday.

Nothing happened.

Chinese internet censorship != Chinese censorship overall

>>1235233
>There were 180,000 protests in 2014 alone.

Lmao where do guialo get this shit from?

>>1236013
>Lmao where do guialo get this shit from?

That's normal if you consider there are 1.5 billions chinks now, you fool

>>1235966
Is it possible the Chinese inspired the Berliners ?

>>1233770

CT's plz go home.

>>1234017
objectively untrue.

>>1236688
He meant that the Apollo footage was deliberate, it wasn't 'this guy happened to have a camera rolling St the right time.'

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>>1233698
That was film by Jose Luis Marquez, to get away students from the square helped him, he had to be hidden under a pile of bodies inside an ambulance to scape with those images. (Pic related, Him and Perez-Reverte)

>>1234394
I always found this hilarious as Lenin was the one who gave the Ukrainians their language, e.g. Encouraged it's use. Compared to stalin who was basically a Russian nationalist.

>>1237409
This is what I meant

>>1236235
I'm asking for a source.

>>1236268
No.

>>1237561
Ukrainians are not known for their intelligence.
Eastern Euros like to revise their history.

>>1233782
We don't actually know if they were police or just some of his friends who didn't want him to die.

>>1235078
> He dreams of glory days when the Brits sold the Chinese Opium for good shit.
>Not coming back.

>>1233998
it's not like lenin statues were (or are) hard to find. unless that specific statue was of historical value it doesn't exactly matter.

>>1233782
>>1234286
Source needed

>>1234367
Chinese are the most racist people of all time, followed by Arabs, and then American Southerners.

All in all there are many more non-white racists than white, and almost all anti-racist movements have been exclusively white

>>1233998
Because otherwise we wouldn't have such a perfect and fitting gif.

>>1239001
What about you go out in this wild but vast thing called the internet and try to find it all by yourself? Maybe you'll find confirmation, maybe a contradicting source even. In all cases, you'd made a great step at helping yourself and the thread.

>>1233726
Ameritards...

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>>1233698
Daily reminder that no one died on Tiananmen square.
The bloodshed were mostly concentrated outside the square.

The students were armed indeed tho

>>1239970
>ITS ALL CAPITALIST LIES

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>>1240000
>not bother reading through three lines
Totally capitarist

>>1233698
You know, this scene was in all my history textbooks in school as the illustration of the Tianamen Square massacre, and it was implied that the tank squished the guy.

Totally changes the meaning of the scene when you see that the tank driver refused to run him over and the guy kept trolling by jumping back in front of the tank.

>>1240017
That's why I said the true hero is the tank commander

>>1233779
Unknown actually, Chinese government say they never found him, but the two guys that dragged him off could have either been police, or a lot of speculations say they were just two protesters trying to keep him safe

>>1240686
Imagine if he just came out to the media now

>>1237561
wtf are you talking about, Stalin hated Russians, that filthy Georgian cunt.

>>1234367

Because they aren't. The idea that Chinese are more racist is just white people projecting their bullshit onto other people. It's like how whites like to portray blacks as poverty ridden, drug addicts, and raised by absentee fathers when all those problems are twice as worst amongst whites.

>>1234919

You forget the fact that the students were also calling for the overthrow of the CCP and wanted to replace it with their own party, which would continue to outlaw the existence of other rival parties.

>>1236013

He probably got it from CNN or BBC, so the source is extremely unreliable.

I dated this FOB Chinese chick, highly educated, fluent in English

It was the weirdest experience teaching her about Tank Man. She had never heard of him or even seen the iconic image

>>1237471
Ironically Perez Reverte looked way less manly back then although he was doing a way manlier job.

>>1241001

That's because the CCP suppressed history of the incident and one that the Chinese were quick to forget as the student protest had no support from the population.

The Tiananmen incident was a major push by the US to try and overthrow the CCP by using the student protest and their inevitable dispersal by government troops to provide the casus belli for war on grounds of human rights, which explains the massive media circus in the West around the crisis. They were hoping for a popular revolt, which would then be supported by American troops and air power just like what happened in Libya in 2011. Unfortunately for the Americans due to the meritocratic nature of the CCP its leadership is extremely competent and they were able to wait out the crisis, feel the emotion and thoughts of the population, before they felt confident enough to roll in the tanks knowing full well there would be no domestic consequences in doing so.

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>>1241035
>due to the meritocratic nature of the CCP its leadership is extremely competent

>>1233698
What was he doing on top of the tank? When the operators came out did they just tell him to fuck off or did they say something else?

>>1241048
they still exist after 1989/1991 unlike other 20th century commie states

>>1241048

Shows what you fucking know about how the party actually operates.

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>>1241071
Why the hostility, man?

>>1236013

You can google it:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903703604576587070600504108

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/how-china-stays-stable-despite-500-protests-every-day/250940/

There is great unrest in China. The only thing keeping the alive is there "good" economy. Once that goes, the PRC will be removed from power.

>>1233698
>tfw commies in this thread are so delusional they're literally defending Tienanmen Square
I'm glad I became a mutualist

>>1233698
Did his family ever get those groceries?

>>1233698
I heard he didn't actually get run over.

>>1241151
Of course he didn't, the whole thing was captured live.

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>>1233698

> One evening, I was chatting online with a friend here in China, another American expatriate living in another city, about the great disconnect in recent Western understandings of China—the thing that this question and answer seeks to get to the heart of. He suggested that at least for Americans (we’re going to use Americans here, mainly, to stand in for the Anglophone western liberal democracies) the question underlying the disconnect boiled down to this:

> “Why don’t you Chinese hate your government as much as we think you ought to?"

> The modern Chinese party-state, after all, is a notorious violator of human rights. It cut its own people down in the street in 1989. It prevents with brutal coercion the formation of rival political parties and suppresses dissent through censorship of the Internet and other media. It oppresses minority populations in Tibet and in Xinjiang, depriving them of religious freedoms and the right to national self-determination. It persecutes religious sects like the Falun Gong. It behaves in a bellicose manner with many of its neighbors, like the Philippines, Vietnam, and India. It saber-rattles over disputed islands with its longstanding East Asian adversary, Japan. It presses irredentist claims against Taiwan, which has functioned as an effectively sovereign state since 1949. It has pursued breakneck economic growth without sufficient heed to the devastation of the environment. It has not atoned for the crimes committed during the Cultural Revolution or the Great Leap Forward, when tens of millions died because of absurdly misguided economic policies. It jails rights activists, including a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. I could of course go on.

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>>1241676

> Why then would any American not ask this question? Seems pretty obvious from the perspective of anyone from a liberal western democracy that this is a political system that needs to go, that has failed its people and failed to live up to basic, universal ideas about what rights a government needs to respect and protect. They’ll have heard the argument that China’s leadership has succeeded in other ways: it has allowed China to prosper economically, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, creating a substantial and comfortable middle class with expanded personal (if not political) freedom. And the Chinese Communist Party has managed to ensure a relatively long period of political stability, with orderly leadership transitions absent the political violence that had accompanied nearly all others until Deng Xiaoping’s ascent.

> "Yeah, but so what?" asks the American. "Anyone who would trade a little freedom for a little personal safety deserves neither freedom nor safety,” he asserts, quoting Benjamin Franklin. He quotes this as gospel truth, ignoring the irony that many Americans advocated just such a trade in the aftermath of September 11. That aside, why shouldn't he quote it? It’s deeply engrained in his political culture. Political liberty is held up practically above all else in the values pantheon of American political culture.

Jesus Christ I can't wait until Tibet becomes an independent country.

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>>1241683

> The American myth of founding sees the Puritan pilgrims, seeking a place where their brand of Protestantism might be practiced freely, crossing the Atlantic in the Mayflower, creating en route a quasi-democratic quasi-constitution, the Mayflower Compact, landing at Plymouth Rock in 1620, and over the next 150 years growing into the colony that would lead its 12 sisters into rebellion for freedom from the "tyranny" of King George III. Americans hold the ideas enshrined in their founding documents very dearly, and can't really be blamed for doing so: they are, after all, some very high-minded and frankly very beautiful ideas.

> What he doesn’t quite appreciate is the precariousness of the historical perch on which these ideas—ideas he holds so strongly and believes so ardently to be universal truths—ultimately rest. Americans, like everyone else for that matter, tend not to take much time to understand the historical experiences of other peoples, and can't therefore grasp the utter contingency upon which their own marvellous system rests.

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>>1241689

> I'm going to grossly oversimplify here, in this grand backward tour of European history, but the political philosophy that gave rise to modern American political ideals, as even a fairly casual student of history should know, emerged during the 18th century in the Enlightenment—an intellectual movement of tremendous consequence but one that would not have been possible save for the groundwork laid by 17th century naturalists who, taken together, gave us an "Age of Reason" (think Newton and all the natural philosophers of the Royal Academy). Their great work could be pursued because already the intellectual climate had changed in crucial ways—chiefly, that the stultifying effects of rigid, dogmatic theology had been pushed aside enough for the growth of scientific inquiry. That itself owes much to the Protestant Reformation, of course, which people tend to date from 1517 but which actually reaches back over a century earlier with John Wycliffe, Jan Hus, arguably Erasmus, and the other pre-Lutheran reformers.

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>>1241695

> And would the Reformation have been possible without the rediscovery of classical learning that was the animating spirit of the Renaissance? Would the Renaissance have been possible without the late medieval thinkers, such as Abelard, who sought out to subject theology to the rigors of Aristotelian logic and reason? Would all this have been possible, if not for the continuous struggles between Emperor and Pope, between Guelph and Ghibelline factions—partisans for the temporal power of the Vatican and Holy Roman Emperor? The fact is that this series of historical movements, eventually carving out politics that was quite separate from—indeed, explicitly separate from—theocratic control, was only really happening in this small, jagged peninsula on the far western end of the great Eurasian landmass. And in the rest of the world—the whole rest of the world—none of this was happening. Political theology remained the rule with rare, rare exceptions.

> What we've now taken as the norm and the correct form for the whole world—liberal, secular, democratic, capitalistic—is truly exceptional, recent, rare, fragile, and quite contingent.

>>1241685
It would be a meme country like Bhutan desu, and would probably go to war with all the countries who rely on its water if they acted up.

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>>1241698

> Let’s turn and look for a moment at China, which is arguably much more typical. China is a civilization that didn’t until much later and perhaps still doesn't fit neatly into the modern conception of the nation-state; a massive continental agrarian empire, a civilization with an integrated cosmology, moral philosophy, and political philosophy which together formed the basis of a holistic orthodoxy, deep knowledge of which was required for any man (alas, only men) who wished to climb the only real available ladder of success: the Civil Service Exams.

> The China that the West—in this case, chiefly the British—encountered in the late 1700s was really at or just past its peak, ruled by a reasonably competent and conscientious Manchu emperor who history knows as Qianlong, ruling a land empire matching, roughly, the contours of the contemporary People’s Republic, almost entirely self-sufficient but willing to sell its silk, porcelain, and especially its tea to anyone who brought minted silver bullion—two-thirds of the world’s supply of which, by the time of the American Revolution, was already in Chinese coffers.

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>>1241703

> What followed was a crisis that lasted, with no meaningful interruption, right up to 1949. Foreign invasion, large-scale drug addiction, massive internal civil wars (the Taiping Civil War of 1852-1863 killed some 20 million people), a disastrous anti-foreign uprising (the Boxers) stupidly supported by the Qing court with baleful consequence, and a belated effort at reform that only seems to have hastened dynastic collapse.

> The ostensible republic that followed the Qing was built on the flimsiest of foundations. The Republican experiment under the early Kuomintang was short-lived and, in no time, military strongmen took over—first, ex-dynastic generals like Yuan Shikai, then the militarists who scrambled for power after he died in 1916. China disintegrated into what were basically feuding warlord satrapies, waging war in different constellations of factional alliance. Meanwhile, China's impotence was laid bare at Versailles, where the great powers handed to Japan the colonial possessions of the defeated Germany, despite China having entered the Great War on the side of the Allies.

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>>1241711

> During this time, liberalism appeared as a possible solution, an alternative answer to the question of how to rescue China from its dire plight. Liberalism was the avowed ideology of many of the intellectuals of the period of tremendous ferment known as the May Fourth Period, which takes its name from the student-led protests on that date in 1919, demonstrating against the warlord regime then in power which had failed to protect Chinese interests at Versailles at the end of World War I. (The May Fourth period is also referred to as the New Culture Movement, which stretched from roughly 1915 to 1925). The "New Youth" of this movement advocated all the liberal tenets—democracy, rule of law, universal suffrage, even gender equality. Taking to the streets on May Fourth, they waved banners extolling Mr. Sai (science) and Mr. De (democracy).

> But with only very few exceptions they really conceived of liberalism not as an end in itself but rather as a means to the decidedly nationalist ends of wealth and power. They believed that liberalism was part of the formula that had allowed the U.S. and Great Britain to become so mighty. It was embraced in a very instrumental fashion. And yet Chinese advocates of liberalism were guilty, too, of not appreciating that same contingency, that whole precarious historical edifice from which the liberalism of the Enlightenment had emerged. Did they think that it could take root in utterly alien soil? In any case, it most surely did not.

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>>1241723

> But with only very few exceptions they really conceived of liberalism not as an end in itself but rather as a means to the decidedly nationalist ends of wealth and power. They believed that liberalism was part of the formula that had allowed the U.S. and Great Britain to become so mighty. It was embraced in a very instrumental fashion. And yet Chinese advocates of liberalism were guilty, too, of not appreciating that same contingency, that whole precarious historical edifice from which the liberalism of the Enlightenment had emerged. Did they think that it could take root in utterly alien soil? In any case, it most surely did not.

> It must be understood that liberalism and nationalism developed in China in lockstep, with one, in a sense, serving as means to the other. That is, liberalism was a means to serve national ends—the wealth and power of the country. And so when means and end came into conflict, as they inevitably did, the end won out. Nationalism trumped liberalism. Unity, sovereignty, and the means to preserve both were ultimately more important even to those who espoused republicanism and the franchise.

> China's betrayal at Versailles did not help the cause of liberalism in China. After all, it was the standard bearers of liberalism—the U.K., France, and the United States—that had negotiated secret treaties to give Shandong to the Japanese.

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>>1241727

> Former liberals gravitated toward two main camps, both overtly Leninist in organization, both unapologetically authoritarian: the Nationalists and the Communists. By the mid-1920s, the overwhelming majority of Chinese intellectuals believed that an authoritarian solution was China's only recourse. Some looked to the Soviet Union, and to Bolshevism. Others looked to Italy, and later Germany, and to Fascism. Liberalism became almost irrelevant to the violent discourse on China's future.

> For anyone coming of age in that time, there are few fond memories. It was war, deprivation, foreign invasion, famine, a fragile and short-lived peace after August 1945, then more war. Violence did not let up after 1949—especially for the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, who were "class enemies" on the wrong side of an ideological divide; or for the hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers sent to fight and die in Korea so soon after unification. And even with peace, prosperity didn't come: 1955 saw Mao announce a "high tide of collectivization," which was followed by the tragic folly of the Great Leap Forward and ensuing famine, in which tens of millions perished.

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>>1241731

> A friend of mine named Jeremiah Jenne who taught US college students at a program here in Beijing once said something to the effect of, “When Americans create their movie villains, when they populate their nightmares, they create Hitler and the SS again and again: Darth Vader and the Stormtroopers.” The fear of the liberty-loving American, he implied, is of a surfeit of authoritarianism.

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>>1241739

> What of the Chinese? The Chinese nightmare is of chaos—of an absence of authority. And such episodes of history are fresh in the minds of many Chinese alive today—only a handful are old enough to actually remember the Warlord Period but plenty can remember the Cultural Revolution, when Mao bade his Red Guards to go forth and attack all the structures of authority, whether in the classroom, in the hospital, in the factory, or in the home. And so they humiliated, tortured, sometimes imprisoned and sometimes even murdered the teachers, the doctors, the managers, the fathers and mothers.

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>>1241744

> In the 25 years since Deng inaugurated reforms in 1979, China has not experienced significant countrywide political violence. GDP growth has averaged close to 10 percent per annum. Almost any measure of human development has seen remarkable improvement. There are no food shortages and no significant energy shortages. Nearly 700 million Chinese now use the Internet. Over 500 million have smartphones. China has a high speed rail network that's the envy of even much of the developed world. China has, by some measures, even surpassed the U.S. as the world's largest economy.

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>>1241756


> So try telling a Chinese person that anyone willing to trade a little personal liberty for a little personal safety deserves neither liberty nor safety, and they’ll look at you like you’re insane.

> Therein lies the values gap.

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>>1241780

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-people-feel-that-Chinese-cant-possibly-be-basically-ok-with-their-government-or-society/answer/Kaiser-Kuo?srid=hUFJ&share=5dde82d7

>>1235233
So in other words, the same way the USA handles protests since the LA ruots? Allow them but take steps to emsure they never amount to anything.

>>1240989
Lmao shut up chink I know white folks that jave spent time in china. There is nothing more racist and shitty than a chinese

>>1241780
You're a fucking loser. If you love China so much then why don't you go back to your motherland. The only reason why you're so fucking obsessed with muh Chinese pride is because you're a self-hating Asian immigrant with no friends, and issues with identity and self-esteem due to loneliness caused by self-imposed isolation and feelings of not belonging. Stop spending all your time on the internet spreading your propagandistic bullshit, stop making up for your own lack of accomplishments with bullshit nationalism about how great your motherland was 5000 years ago, and go out and actually do something with your life rather than waste your youth on utterly stupid shit that will not help you get a girlfriend or a job.

>>1234919
t. Chang

Most protesters were regular workers from Beijing

>>1241842

>white folks
>In China

Let me guess they bitched and moaned about how the Chinese didn't kiss ass to them and treated them exactly how white people treat minorities in the West. White people are the biggest bitches in the world, they lose a little power and they make it a human rights issue. So whenever they do complain about discrimination their words mean less than nothing.

>>1241859
Oh I forgot to mention that this message is for all of you chinks that actually support the Communist Chinese Party while enjoying the benefits of living outside China.

>>1241884
If whites are the biggest bitches then why do we run this world and why do your people want to be like us?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
I wonder how many of them are in this thread

>>1241900

Same reason why the Mongols became so powerful, loot and monopoly on trade routes. And like the Mongols nothing more than savages and barbarians with trappings of civilization.

>why do your people want to be like us

Right because everyone country wants to be a multicultural shithole, suffers from rampant drug abuse, SJWs and a large consumer of cuckolding porn.

>>1241930
How many children have you repeatedly run over today Cheng

>>1241859

> The only reason why you're so fucking obsessed with muh Chinese pride is because you're a self-hating Asian immigrant with no friends, and issues with identity and self-esteem due to loneliness caused by self-imposed isolation and feelings of not belonging.

The fact that he has pride is because he has identity and is not self-hating. Which means he has healthy self-esteem and is not influenced by bullshit Western propaganda that tells him that his life is worthless because he's not white.

>Stop spending all your time on the internet spreading your propagandistic bullshit, stop making up for your own lack of accomplishments with bullshit nationalism about how great your motherland was 5000 years ago, and go out and actually do something with your life rather than waste your youth on utterly stupid shit that will not help you get a girlfriend or a job.

This /pol/tard is projecting hard. Stop using big words you don't understand it makes you sound even more stupider.

>>1241924

Don't know but at least they're getting paid for it, you faggots push Western propaganda for free.

>>1241938

I don't know but the same thought pops into my mind when I think about how many white people died during WWII? Not enough.

>>1241949
It's true, more Chinese managed to get more of themselves killed in conflict with a tiny island neighbour than any Western polity over the course of WW2.

>>1241930
Please, nigger. You guys are the definition of savages with your sewage cooking oil, toasting dogs alive, virgin boy eggs, and a million other disgusting things.

>>1241966

Well of course because there aren't a lot of whites in Asia. Did you make that connection all by yourself or did you have help? I'm thinking the latter.

>>1241978

Oh and guess fucking what all that happens in the West too and a far worst shit.

>>1241988
Let's split it up further to help you understand.

China lost between 15 and 20 million people in conflict with their tiny neighbour.

Germany, the runner-up Western polity, only lost 7 million over WW2, while actively killing off their own residents.

Hence, China vs Japan had more casualties than any Western polity.

The presence or lack of white people in East Asia has nothing to do with this.

>>1234883
He means using code words that involve substituting other similar or homophonic charachars for taboo words, I think.

Notably the Chinese have been doing this for centuries, as emperors occasionally banned characters from use, requiring everyone to compromise with practical substitutions.

The Great Leap Forward led to 45 million deaths. It's mind boggling that chinks with a western education and access to the internet actually support the CCP. Dumb fucking chinks, I swear.

>>1242026

You were talking about Japan vs China but now you're moving the goal post in a feeble attempt to try and make a point. Mine stands and you can't refute it.

>>1242049
I'm restating what I said initially.

>Chinese managed to get more of themselves killed in conflict with a tiny island neighbour
This is the first part of the comparison.

>than any Western polity over the course of WW2
This is the second part of the comparison.

What are we comparing? Which "managed to get more of themselves killed". One side is China vs Japan, the other side is western polities over the course of WW2. As I'm sure you believe to always be true, China is the clear winner here.

>>1242039

Same reason why Americans worship and kowtow to their wealthy elites despite gutting the country economically and pushing for legislation that weakens the power of the average American economically, socially and politically. It's a mystery that we'll never know the answers to

>>1242059

And you say all this as if it actually matters. Here's a fact that you don't know, China has suffered from overpopulation since the Ming Dynasty. All these wars and famines temporarily alleviate the massive population pressure its been facing for centuries.

>>1242079
And for the first time in history, the CCP has solved that. Between population control (which has been deemed a total success and is now being phased out bit by bit) and the stabilization of production and income, overpopulation no longer threatens people daily. I know this isn't what your post was about, but it wraps up the other discussion in this thread: it shows yet another strong reason why many Chinese would honestly support the Party.

>>1242091
Why don't you go live in your shitty communist-run China if it's so great? Go eat some roasted dog meat and down it with some boy urine while breathing in all that smog.

>>1242123
If you love libertarianism so much why don't you marry it?
This is how idiotic you sound.

>>1242123

You're saying all that as if they're terrible compared to AIDS, gay sex, identity politics and drug addiction which are all predominant in the West

>>1242164
We're going to pretend the Chinese have no gays and don't have a thriving black market for drugs coming out of Southeast Asia then?

>>1242172

None of those are predominant so the point stands.

>>1242123
Nigga u mad hominem.

>>1242039
>45 million deaths
>in a country of over 3 billion
They can stat selling human meat tomorrow for all I care, it still wouldn't matter.

>>1242172
China doesn't have rampant identity-destroying fetishist movements that are not only tolerated but celebrated. If LGBT presence is high in China then by comparison you must literally be sucking a dick right this moment.

>>1242191
>a country of over 3 billion
When do you come from?

>>1242202
2019

>>1242205
Damn, the relaxation of population control really opened the floodgates.

Or did China annex its way through India?

>>1240989
CIDF pls go

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>>1241859

Man you need to grow a thicker skin haha

>>1241727
Stopped reading

>>1241889
Well, most of those Chinese are children of corrupt officials, who steal money from the other poor Chinese in mainland, to support their kids's luxury living conditions in the West .

>>1240000
Checked

>>1241107
It says 2010, and it does not say just protests in the number.

Great b8 m8

>>1240919
He's probably been paid a couple thousand bucks to not talk. If I was a poor guy, I'd do that

It's a legal thing in America.

>>1241120
>what is any unpopular rebellion throughout history put down by the government

Almost no one in China outside Beijing gave a shit about Tiananmen.

>>1241842
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>>1242039
Literally /pol/ tier shitposts

>>1242039
Oh wow we should continue hating governments for shit that happened 70 years ago under dictators that the government has no disavowed as a mistake!

>>1243303
Now*

>>1242123
Please man. Where did I say China was such a great place to live? I'm saying that the recent history is so much worse than what is going on now, that I can see why the Chinese don't care about being "oppressed"--they are happy to be alive and making money.

If you can't even contemplate the existence of other countries without feeling that yours is being insulted, I hope you will think about why that is.

>>1243303
>Oh wow we should continue hating governments for shit that happened 70 years ago under dictators that the government has no disavowed as a mistake!

Still happens in Germany. Also, who in their right mind would support a pseudo communist plutocracy with 1984 style cencorship and police state.

>Hurr durr industry
>Hurr durr they cant handle freedom

Autocrats can fuck right off.

>>1241884
Because Das Herrenvolk does not deserved to be treated like that by some slant eye autistic drone asian.

>>1234350
>unironically believing communism works and is not being used in China to justify a small elite literally stealing all the profits.

Yeah whatever you say drone.

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>>1233698
>mfw Americans still think Tiananmen protest wasn't a protest of disaffect Maoist workers against Dengist reform

You can't find a more miseducated people. They literally think the world is like 2000 years old lmao

>>1242039
>The Great Leap Forward led to 45 million deaths.
But it really didn't, Chang.

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>>1233770
au contraire!
the footage wasn't planned, there just happened to be an innocent moondweller in the neighbourhood who filmed this spectaculair moment

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>>1241780
Can anyone argue against this essay?

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>>1244391
>implying anyone bothered to read all that

I never read blocks of green text on 4chan

>>1244400
I read it and it was pretty interesting.

>>1244391
You could "argue" any of the points about motivations and intentions, since they are fundamentally unknown (or requiring of interpretation, at least). The piece quoted does exactly that: make an argument. I found it fairly persuasive and I am not inclined to disagree. We could debate for argument's sake, but why?

>>1233998
Because there were thousands of those, if not more. Some of them were pretty interesting but in most cases there was nothing lost when they've destroyed them. Like, only a hoarder would leave them alone.

>>1244400
What the fuck was going on here?

>>1241924
>50 Cent Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss

>>1244400
What the FUCK is going on here?

>>1243303
Don't forget to pick up your 50 cent

>>1244578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

Sesame credit imo.

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>>1244391
Well, it's heavily biased against medieval scientific advances, but that's not really relevant.

>>1244518
>>1244571
china

>>1244139
China is objectively far better than "free" India and many other nations.

>>1244159
>China
>Communism

>>1244391
It's flawed, but makes a valid point.

>>1244578
I got a payraise to 1 American butthurt coin per (you).