ITT: People your country consider heroes you personally fucking

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The last thing those people needed was to be given money

Also, weirdly, for such an important figure you don't hear much about him

Benito Juarez.

Miguel Hidalgo.

Venustiano Carranza.

Leona Vicario.

Josefa Ortíz.

José María Morelos Y Pavón.

>>1033862
who the fuck is this nigga

>>1033853
Soeharto on the other hand was actually pretty based.

>>1033903
FUCKING THIS
>Shoot cops in back
>National hero kuntttt

reagan

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This motherfucker right here.

>>1033906

Eddie Mabo

>>1033853
Churchill

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ZLGb-BNsI

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Perhaps the most one dimensional pandering fuck we've had yet. Also that 3 week coverage of his funeral was a TV nightmare.

>>1033942
What are you,a fucking commie?

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This dude

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>>1033853
"Otac Domovine" or "Father of the Homeland"

>>1033942
This.

He was good at public speaking and thats it, nothinrg else.

He literally did nothing else good.

>>1033853
This commie agitator.

>lives in white man's society, reaps all its benefits and uses its inventions
>complains about white man's society whilst wearing clothes, using language, and not living in a shit hut

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This guy, so fucking tired of "muh strong leader" type of people glorifying him.

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>>1033853

>>1034170
That's one sexy priest tho

>>1033903
KELLY DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ A GUD BOIII

>>1033917
Literally the most corrupt head of state of all times

>>1033873
Is this the Argentinian midfield for the next World Cup?

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This cuck

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>>1034378
Holy moly I was about to post the same but was too lazy to find a pic on google.
He was no cuck though since he was the one doing the cucking on a regular basis.

Every important black person within the public eye after Dr.King

All of them are dumb asses

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>>1034385
Can't agree on Brand, but Adorno, oh how I hate that bastard.

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>>1034446
Are you trolling?

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>>1034468
The Reformation would have come with or without him,

>>1034483
It's not about the reformation but Luther personally.

>>1034493
Tell me more.
I know he was a cunt when it came to peasants, but is it something else that's bad with him?

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Let's get even more specific.

>>1034385
That's Carl Schmitt.

>>1034496
For me it's mainly that he's portrayed as some kind of modern thinker, almost humanitarian. That's something he definitely wasn't.

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Yes, I am a filthy Commie.

>>1034514
Glorified cheerleader

>>1034138
>Literally ruled for a month or two
>Greatest Ukranian leader.

Lee Kuan Yew and the PAP.

It's not just the locals, but also leaders around the world.

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have a laundry list of human rights violation he and his fucking political party have committed and the world fucking endorsed by saying nothing.

While he didn't explicitly oversee the entire process of the clusterfuck of cancer known as the Trans Pacific Protocol, I know he was at least alive for some of it and I'm pretty sure he would have signed it.

Singapore is the only country to have sued an outgoing politician. No kidding.

Singapore is also more than happy to sue teenagers and 9 year olds for being teenagers and being kids (for daring to criticize the country and over "copyright laws" respectively.

>>1034586
Would Turkey exist with its current borders without him?

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>>1034615

>Lee Kuan Yew
>Yew

>>1033853
Nelson Mandela

>>1034586
The Turks truly did not deserve Attaturk. He should've never taken charge and allowed Turkey to descend into the Muslamic shithole it so desperately wants to become.

>>1034512
Anne Frank is literally the opposite of a heroine, she hid for fuck sake.

>>1034586
>tfw the only decent Turk in history was actually a Greek

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>>1033853
I don't *hate* him per se, but he was a slimy bollix
>hid like a lil bitch during 1916
>met Lloyd George secretly before the Treaty negotiations
>he therefore knew there was no chance of us getting a republic at the negotiating table
>sent Michael Collins etc to take the blame instead
>got publicly butthurt when they signed the treaty
>didn't start the civil war but certainly didn't help with his speeches; "we'll have wade through rivers of Irish blood to establish the Republic"
>hid like a lil bitch when the civil war kicked off
>sold out and took the oath of allegiance to the King and went into govt. in the 1930s
>took credit for everything the previous govt did during the 1920s
>betrayed all the IRA guys who had fought for him
>being neutral in WWII was the best (and arguably only the only good) thing he did but he went about it kinda retardedly
>offering condolences to the Germans when Hitler died etc

>>1034618
Turkey would be even larger taking back the arabian coastline and maybe even egypt, Bulgaria and Greece if it wouldn't have been for Atatürk. he decided they grabbed enough land back, dictated the land for 20 years before dying of liver failure due to his alcohol problem. Basically he decided to backstab the Ottoman generals who supported him in freeing Turkey, because he promised them he would bring the Ottomans back. His achievements were great but somehow everyone ignores the fact that he backstabbed his closes generals, political supressed people that were against him and basically did whatever he wanted to.

>>1034657
He was not Greek. He was Turk through through.

Hamilton and all the rest of those federalist assholes

Yes I am a butthurt Jeffersonian

>>1034741
And let's say that he don't comes to power and Turkey tries to take back all these lands, what if the allies actually decides they are a threat against everyone else and comes in to help their neighbors to take land from Turkey and neutralize the country?

>>1033853
This fucker right here

>steal billions and ruin an emerging economy
>he dindu nuffin!

Hearing people praise him makes me sick.

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>>1034754
forgot pic

>>1034754
>>1034763
Din't he ruin the environment as well?

Not sure if they are considered heroes buy Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera.
Can't stand those commies.

>>1034765
Fucker ruined everything.
Now his wife is parading around being glorified.
Come to think of it, the entire political system is fucked.

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>>1034752
Atatürk had a rivalry going with Enver Pasha, who was the highest Military commander only below the Sultan himself. The Allies were completely exhausted after fighting Germany, and Enver had very close relations with Willhelm II., seeing how germany got to keep MOST of their clay I'm sure Enver could have figured out a way to make Turkey keep most of their clay too.

>>1034782
Didn't most of the land you lost have a Non-Turkish majority though?
The reason the Germans got to keep so much land was that they simply was a majority in most of it.
Also, your other Ally Austria, got off even worse than you and let's face it. The only strong country in that alliance was Germany, everyone else was either small countries or "The old sick men of Europe:"

>>1034796
Well, Enver knew about this problem, he knew he couldn't keep most of the land when it was full of other people. Incase you didn't know, Enver was responsible for the Slaughter of many many non-turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc. He sought to clean the land of non-türk so that after the war was over he could keep most of the land the turks got back since the non-turk majority was...gone.

I do agree, Germany was the bulk of this war when it came to raw power, but the turks held a great number of russian back alongside the Austrians.

>>1034781

You guys need to raise Ramon Magsaysay from the dead.

>>1034823
So you support Slaughter as a way of expanding borders into lands with no Turkish majority?

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Kārlis Ulmanis - Latvian dictator from the mid 1930's till 1940
While his reign was ultimately prosperous and was the so called ''Golden Age'' for my country, he fucked us over in the end by selling us out to the Soviet Union without the fight. It resulted in tens of thousands of people getting killed or deported. While most people think that was a good idea because it spared lots of lives from a war, Stalin could claim that we joined USSR willingly. He thought he would still remain in power, but eventually got deported himself to some shithole in inner Soviet Union and died from dysentery. Also his propaganda and personality cult is fucking laughable.

>>1034839
I never said that I supported Enver, my original point was that people are literal fanatics when it comes to Atatürk here. I get it, he is a great man to the nation, but they mention him everywhere, in every political debate, in every moral standpoint, they mention him. It is time to move on but because of these fanatics we can't.

>>1034782
>>1034586

i love reading about these two, with attaturk being the perfect leader, brilliant in any way in contrast to enver with his constant fuck ups. these two ultimately shaped modern turkey, attaturk being the light and enver being the darkness. attaturk being the turbo-chads while enver being the autistic robots

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>>1034117
Ah yes I recall how Indonesians where mute nudists untill the Dutch came

>>1034851
Ah, I see, sorry, thought you said you wanted his ways much rather than Attaturk's or something.
And isn't it a problem with many of those that wants to put an end to the Attaturk cult also want to end secularism?

>>1034849
Didn't the Soviets have to isolate the Balkans from the rest of the country when they first invade because the area was so much richer? Just think I heard that.

>>1034622

Singapore is basically the Israel of Asia.

i am lukewarm about Churchill

also i loathe Bruce Forsyth and I think Diana was a total moron

>>1034858
attaturk ended creating a modern republic out of the ottoman empire while enver ended up dying trying to create a pan-turkic state in the caucasus, in a desperate cavalry charges against the russian, with the koran in hands.

>>1034869

Closer to past Venice, actually.

>>1034863
Yes, this is true to some extend. AKP supporters tend to like their Ottoman heritage more than their Turkish heritage. And seeing how Atatürk brought an end to the Ottomans, he is not liked, but not hated either since he liberated Turkey. Secularism in Turkey will never end, the only way it could would be in a brutal civil war. While every political party strives for different goals, Atatürk and his legacy are almost sacred, similiar to lets say the Declartion of Independence.

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One of the worst presidents we ever had, directly responsible for out current economic problems and he defended kebab instead of removing it.

>>1034512
Why do you hate her tho?

>>1034898
>Why doesn't international politics solely revolve around religion ;___;

Reagan.
FDR and his wife.
Rosa Parks.
Jesus.

>>1034924
All those edges

>>1034841
Harper was a piece of crap that was selling parts of our land to the Chinese, and now this asshat is going to make every country want to annex/invade us by being too peaceful and stupid (that quote is just fucking stupid). It's a bad time to be a Canadian.

>>1034596
He did do a lot of significant stuff in those several months to be perfectly fair, but he wasn't THAT good, and he was kicked out for a reason.

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>>1034898
I'd say he's overrated, but I don't think many people see him as a hero. It can certainly seem that way in hindsight because it was one of the last periods where the executive and the legislative both agreed to try to balance the federal budget. Sad that's enough of a qualification these days.

Anyway, here's my choice. Seriously, fuck this faggot.

>>1034958
Why hate him?

>>1034972
I can't think of a president who flailed about more uselessly or more disastrously.

>directly decide to intervene in a European imperial conflict
>post Roosevelt status quo authoritarian
>muh leage of nations

What was the point of his presidency beyond getting thousands of young men killed on some foreign adventure and then creating a framework for an organization that has the dubious distinction of being helpless witness to the rise of some of history's greatest monsters?

>>1034981
You are a fucking cretin

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Full retard

>>1034985
You're right. I'm stupid for supporting a president who made pointless grand gestures which accomplished zero of his policy goals.

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literally a pro-revolutionairy commie
Inventor of champagne socialism

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>>1034989
Am I being rused?

>>1034993
The only signature piece of his presidency worth a shit was tariff reduction. Most of his anti-trust legislation has eroded away to nothing and the FTC is kind of (see:always) a joke as a regulatory body. Do you have actual rebuttals beyond memes?

>>1035005
Libertarian I take it?

>>1035015
No. His legacy is overrated and all the dick sucking he gets as a "great" president is undeserved. It's almost as bad as Jefferson.

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>>1033853
This incompetent bastard. He completely screwed us over. Ruined the education system by making it free, fucked over the economy, forced an "Arab" identity that Egyptians never really had and presently only have in name on us which is one of the reasons why we were so influenced by Wahhabism from actual Arab countries. He turned some of the most beautiful buildings we have into dysfunctional state schools. Sure, he was good on paper. The economy grew while he was in power and school enrolment increased but when schools don't do jack shit then increased enrolment doesn't mean jack shit. And a growing economy doesn't mean jack shit when most of the money goes to a shitty, clunky, and bureaucratic socialist government. I'm glad we lost the war with Israel we had under his power because I know that he died with the knowledge that he failed his country and that he will die a loser.1

>>1035018
I can't tell if your b8ing, edgy, retarded, or all at once at this point.

>>1035108
>status quo understanding of history
>calling someone else a troll
>no refutation at all

>>1035108
Not him, but so far in over 6 posts all you've said is a variation of "you're dumb" and "b8", while he made lengthy posts explaining his positions.

The question is, do you have anything of substance to say? Or are you just sperging?

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>>1033853

>>1035155
His points are so stupid I'm not even gonna bother addressing them.
>muh isolationism
Absolutely cretinous

>>1035184
I'm glad you are only able to create simplistic reasoning for the logic behind short, two-sentence posts, considering no where in your "discourse" with the anti-Wilson does he mention isolationism at all - only what he perceived as the disastrous results of intervention in that context.

>>1035019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4RK8bj2W0

fuck you, senpai

>>1035019
>ruined the education system by making it free

Stopped reading right there

>>1034741
>Turkey would be even larger
No, only through help and Jewish shekels did Turkey manage to survive, no way in hell would the allies allow a new Ottoman Empire you fucking retard.

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This kike faggot

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>>1033853
>You will never chill in occupied Indonesia with pinda bros
>You will never prevent the 'war' and your grandfathers PTSD
Where did everything go wrong? At least we've got Indonesian immigrants who are top tier

>this whole fucking thread

I don't know who's b8ing, is edgy, is drunk on maymays, retarded, /pol/ack, /int/...

>>1035234
>people have different opinions than me
>must be retarded or wrong

K

>>1035296
>gustav vasa
>martin luther king
>nasser
>ataturk
>venizelos

This is hard maymaying

>>1034170
/fa/ tier face desu

>>1035213
>jewish shekels

What are you talking about?

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this retarded nigga right here

>>1035296
Do you see >>1035350 now?

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>Scavenius basically sucked Hitler's cock during occupation
>he did it so we didnt end up as polan uwu

>>1035355
>Mandela
>not a villain

K kid

>>1035451
How's he a villain?

>>1035457
He bombed a schoolbus full of children. Not even the apartheid government was shameless enough to target civilians.

>>1034093
He was correct in assuming that the Soviet Union was on the verge of failure and reacting to that with a more aggressive foreign policy, a full abandonment of detente, and a new arms race.

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>>1033853

>>1035508
Are you a commie?

>>1035489
Holy shit, never heard of that, any sauce?

>>1035505
Gotta give credit where credit is due, that was the one thing he did right.

>>1035457
>Marxist
>Exploited Apartheid SA negative world image, allowed himself to be projected as a dindunuffin
>In league with Robert Mugabe
>Despised the actually progressive and racially unified Botswana for being tolerant towards its white population
>Terrorist
And the big factor, look at South Africa now. Not only is it projecting pro-Black ideology, it's also promoting extreme South African nationalism to the point where they are rounding up people from Mozambique and killing them.

>>1035559
>Exploited Apartheid SA negative world image, allowed himself to be projected as a dindunuffin
That's PR tho, nothing wrong with it

>Terrorist
Debatable.

>Marxist
Everybody knows that. Still, SA didn't become a real commie shithole so I suppose he's milder than the hardcore leftists of the 70s-80s

>In league with Robert Mugabe
>Despised the actually progressive and racially unified Botswana for being tolerant towards its white population
inexcusable and fucking disgusting. This I did not know

>>1035508
Is he really considered a hero in Chile or is it just ultra-conservative old people?

>>1035598
It's a meme you dip

>>1035554
The problem being that it was a pretty fucking big thing.

To be fair, Carter laid the groundwork by pulling out of detente, boycotting the 1980 Olympics, and starting to arm the Mujihadeen.

>>1033917

if he had as much attention from edgy ancaps as pinochet does, he would be on top of my shitlist.

theres nothing wrong with purging communists or putting down an insurgency but when its 1 million """""""communists""""""" (actually chinese, labor unions and mud people who will switch allegiance the minute you give them food) and your country is still a corrupt and ineffective, youre a shit leader

>>1035629
Eh.

Most of the commies that got killed were commies.

The Indonesian Communist Party was huge.

And he did bring in Western economists and give the country consistent 6% a year economic growth.

Suharto's Indonesia was no South Korea, but there was a definite improvement from the previous state of affairs.

>>1035623
Most of the accomplishments attributed to Reagan were initiatives started by Carter. In fact, Reagan mainly hindered those initiatives and yet they worked regardless though not as well as they could've been.

>>1034446
Dit is aas.

>>1035638

but when you factor in the folowing genocide in timor and that sukarno was arguably a much better leader than who was replaced in other situations such as allende, the whole indonesia affair just stinks to high heaven. and still today, many millions live n desperate poverty similar to commie countries

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This guy right here once got voted the greatest Dutchman of all time.

People he beat:
>William Of Orange
>Rembrandt
>Van Gogh
>Anne Frank
>Erasmus
>Spinoza
>Michiel de Ruyter

And many other people who actually did something.
What was Fortuyn famous for? Being a populist and a racist, and also dying like a bitch. In 50 years, if anyone will remember him at all it will be as a political punchline.

>>1035774
t. Anwar al-Muhammad

>>1035774
Anne Frank
>to be young
>to be a girl
>to write a diary

That's what she did.

>>1035806
Oh don't get me wrong, she wasn't even trying to be a great person.
Still did better than Pim Fortuyn.

>>1035774
Hey Volkert, mag je weer op internet?

>>1033853
When I was a kid my grandpa said I'd grow up to be great like him. I was his "Sukarno grand-daughter"

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I hope I don't get locked up because of this.

>>1033924
his son is so much worse

>>1034841
he's just such a smug douche
how can he behave like that, in front of all of these fucking cameras. all politicians eventually gaff, and then everything they do is presented negatively. he's going to look like such a cunt

>>1034615
Move to Malaysia then.

>>1035425
Nah our Indonesians are actually nice. Probably because nearly all of them have Dutch ancestry, they all speak our language and are almost exclusively non-Muslim.

>>1034951
>It's a bad time to be a Canadian.
It always is

>>1034680
Kinda agree and disagree with you on this. Don't like him but do respect him to a certain extent.
I don't buy into the mindless devotion to all the Rising leaders and think they were twats who got people killed for no good reason.

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We will never be able to unfuck our country.

>>1035505
Reagan honestly didn't have the intelligence to realize that on his own.

I'm french and I'm trying hard but I can't think of a single one desu

>>1033924
damn i was going to post this

>>1037444
Napoleon III maybe?

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>>1035019
>Ruined the education system by making it free

>>1037447
nobody admires him
They should though he was great, just not a match for bismarck

>>1033938
What don't you like about him? We Americans tend to jerk off to him incessantly.

>>1037726
unfuck yourself cunt irwin is a fucking legend

>>1037726
Seriously fuck your own face. Irwin was awesome.

>>1037459
t. product of ''''''free education system''''''

>>1033924
> you will never have a true liberal nationalist prime minister.

>>1034615

Keep crying cuck.

>>1037928
Thank goodness desu

>>1034841

Australian here.

Did he actually say that?

Ahahahahahahaha

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>>1037990

Also fuck this cunt that will forever be worshiped by the Australian left.

>>1035708

They live in poverty because they're Indonesians.

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>>1033853

>>1037976

Every Singapirean was born cucked to begin with. And now thanks to the TPP, we won't even have jobs.

How's that for cucked.

>>1038028

So? Would you prefer to be Indonesian or Malaysian?

>>1038001

so you don't have an actual argument?

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Fuck this guy. And before you start, i don't give a fuck about his racism

>>1038864
I heard his last word was something like "I killed the banks... I killed the economy!"

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>>1036298
Exactly. And don't forget the food

>>1033938
Churchill was a massive cunt that destroyed every country from Egypt to India, Israel/Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, India. He was a real shitbag

>>1035623
>Get rid of third world stabilizing force and give guns to the Taliban and Al Qaeda

But muh gommunism was gonna make everyone poor

>>1038047

Do you have any good arguments to make, other than fallacies and ad hominems?

And before you ask, yes, I know all the good he has done. Supposedly.

Yes, he did help in giving everyone a home. So did the Soviet Union, and they threw in free jobs and education too, if you worked hard enough to pass. (Your home is still owned by the state in both cases, and Singapore's housing success isn' just LKY alone.)

Working public transport? Singapore is small enough to have that, and even then, there's no excuse to leave it unmaintained for 20-odd years just because it prints money.

And the fucking roads and infrastructure was Britush to begin with. And LKY had a team of great economists, plus the UN were willing to send one if theirs over to help.

Economy-wise? Yeah, he opened Singapore up to the corporations and made it so that they would stay for good. It was a good plan in the 60s and 70s. Not so good now, since corps would rather pay expats than locals.

"But muh CPF." 100k SGD translates to around 75k USD, and I'm pretty sure that isn't enough to retire in the US of A. Also, it's only good to get seed money for acutal investments. Even the American 401K gives more returns, and the employer requirement to funnel 20% of the employee's pay FROM THEIR BOTTOMLINE only makes locals unviable in the long run.

The National Service Policy, while necessary, is deeply flawed and only promotes paranoia in policymaking due to the assumption that EVERYONE is out to get you. Employers also hate it since it means someone isn't making the company money when said someone has to "do his military duty" for up to a month every year.

Let's not even talk about how the lack of free exchange of ideas has all but killed off the arts scene in Singapore.

Can you rebut these points properly?

>>1035183
>associated with Communists
>had orgies with prostitutes
>was probably an alcoholic

Why is he worshiped again?

>>1035316
>Gustav Wasa
>crushed the will of the people
>forced Protestantism on everyone

>>1040478
Based desuson sempainen

>>1039819
>stabilizing force
>the DRA

u wot

>>1040515
Can't disagree on that cuck.

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>>1040580
>he is a Papist

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>>1040591
>He wants the state to act as a tyrant

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>>1040630
>he wants to submit to God's self-proclaimed lieutenant whim
>which usually meant fucking little boys or your sister

>>1040653
>oh, he opposes a tyrant and the religious right of others?
>must meen he's a Catholic!

>>1040664
>he wants to suck Marxy Franky's cock

>>1040671
No idea who that is.

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>>1040678
Francesco Uno, self-proclaimed Marxist, refugee fan and general reddit-type personality

>>1040687
Dude, nothing in sweden is any better at all.
Bringing him up in a discussion with another swede like this makes no sense.

>>1033942

nothing he has ever done has had positive impact. everything he touches just turns to shit.

that's his shtick. shit trickling down on american heads.

>>1034378

you couldn't be more wrong. I know a lot of the spd's left wing actually doesn't like him because he was a huge reactionary.

>>1034385

so who do you mean, schmitt or adorno? they were just two amongst many, might aswell name benjamin, marcuse, horkheimer, fromm and habermas in the same breath.

just gonna assume you're /pol/ though because MUH CULTURAL MARXIST ;___;

>>1034512

there's just about zero reason to hate/glorify her. people rarely do anyway. you're just assmad.

>>1034514

don't have to be a commie to hate that pig.

>>1034586

fuck that asshole.

>>1034776

kill yourself my friend

>>1034851

very good point. turkey is fucked because of some sickly crude version of nationalism for a country that is barely 100 years old and the cult of personality around its leader. it disgusts me.

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>>1034680
>sold out and took the oath of allegiance to the King and went into govt. in the 1930s
signed over a blank sheet of paper tbf to the lad

>betrayed all the IRA guys who had fought for him
they no longer fought for him, the IRA had no need for a political leader once they went full paramilitary mode
that's why he splintered from Sinn Féin and established Fianna Fáil

>offering condolences to the Germans when Hitler died etc
>implying this is a bad thing
he'd have been criticized by everyone and made a shame of himself if he kissed the arses of the allies AFTER the war was over, he was just showing the neutrality you'd already praised him for

the 1937 constitution and the whole "pending re-unification" thing was pretty based of him as well

can't forgive the murder of big mick though

>>1034958

fuck you, wilson.

>>1033853
Ronald Reagan, Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton. I'm not a fan of Jefferson too much either, but I don't hate him.

>>1033873
Why don't you like Juarez?

>>1035559

>dindunuffin

post dropped

>>>/tumblr/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/hm/

>>1040386

are those reasons not enough for you?..

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This incompetent motherfucker is the real reason why the Gommunists won, not just Mao

>>1040903
>MUH DIXIE!
Burning of Atlanta best day of my life.

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>>1040903
One was a West Point educated officer who launched a daring campaign into the heart of Northern territory with an under supplied, outnumbered army with no realistic plans for ending the war at Gettysburg other than "get shoes, sing Dixie and kill Feds". Constantly used "muh Virginia" as an excuse for his motivation to fight, and yet totally failed to protect Richmond or prepare a war economy that wasn't based on pillaging.

The other was just lucky until he got shot by accident by a bunch of trigger happy illiterate sister fucking rednecks - im sorry, the glorious, undefeated Confederate Army.

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>>1040903

>>1035806
>implying she didn't inspire the greatest album ever

>>1034059
I am just glad that he didn't live enough to see Nikos' banter party in 1974.

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He destroyed the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.

>>1041165
>whole military was outnumbered
>somehow managed to hold his own
>never terrorized civilians of the north

or

>had crazy numerical advantage
>no real goal other than tear shit up

Sherman was an idiot

>>1042870
If it's stupid and it works, it isn't stupid.

>>1038001
They should not live in poverty. Indonesians is huge and resourceful. The US staged Suharto's reign because he want their shit and that's why Indons were poor.

At least now Jokowi tries to fix it. They already say fuck you to the US owning some oil business in Indonesian side of Papua because his people sell out.

>>1035896
Strange to see this nigga here, wasn't expecting... But good one

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Gough Whitlam. Ned Kelly was already mentioned, so.

>>1035184
If you hate isolationism, you should hate wilson, because all of his foreign policy decisions were a long term catastrophe.

Thanks to him, austria-hungary was dismantled, leaving a bunch of weakling states to be easily chewed up by germany. And even though he described the german annexation of alsace-lorraine as having "unsettled the peace of the world for nearly fifty years", he insisted on the creation of the polish corridor, which was even worse in that regard.

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>4/5 general
>not even the president
>greatest finn :^)

>>1035410
As a Dane i disagree. People don't really talk about him nor worship him. And he did help the kz prisoners from Denmark. Plus he got exiled after the war. He is mentioned as much as Herluf Trolle.

>>1041034
was he incompetent? i always thought he was a good general who beat the japanese in china is that not that case?

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>>1034860
Yes, I also remember how Indonesians had fancy suits and leather shoes way before the Dutch came about!

>>1036298
>Indonesians
>almost exclusively non-Muslim

This is heaven. This is where I'll go... if I had money and not a poor-as-shit Indonesian.

>>1043649
>Indonesia is huge and resourceful
>Indonesia
>huge
>resourceful

Huge in terms of landmass, which is mostly taken up by homes since there's a shittonne of people. And the resources are mostly unused nature which the people are too retarded to actually benefit from. I admit, Jokowi is doing some shit in this run, but it's not enough. Jokowi leans to a liberal-nationalist view, which means he's probably not going to restrain the people from having 12 babies per family. We need a socialist in the house.

>>1044958
You just said clothes and language, stop moving goalposts

>>1033926
what did he do

>>1044973
Try to claim that you're an atheist and gay, maybe they'll give you asylum

>>1034680
He wasn't called the 'Spanish Jew' for nothing

Lincoln
Rosa Parks
Malcolm X
FDR
BLM people
Ect.

>>1045137
>FDR
t. Calvin Coolidge

>>1035559
>In league with Robert Mugabe
>Despised the actually progressive and racially unified Botswana for being tolerant towards its white population
I wasn't big on Mandela anyhow, but this is new to me. Do you have any sources? I'm interested.

>>1045137
>Americans think BLM are national heroes
Is this is what people on 4chan actually believe?

>>1040878
4u

>>1035184
no, you're just a pompous moron

>>1033942
This

1000 times this

>>1039970
>lack of freedom kills cultural export
Why do asians never learn?

>>1033873 #
Butthurt creole detected.

Mexico isn't a white nation never has and never will be, blame moor rape babies for being cucks and fucking the natives instead of killing them unlike our Anglo-Germanic ancestors.

The United States gov should have dumped off all our niggers to you fucks after the Civil War.

>>1045308
Many people (liberals) actually do.

>>1034385
>adorno.jpg

>>1044354
It is not. He worked out of a centuries old battle doctrine that had his foreign advisers like Stilwell tearing their hair out. Half of the fighting he did was to retain power. Japan's reach simply extended beyond their grasp. China was too big to conquer.

>>1033903
australian history is weird, especially the glorification of the anzacs

>anzacs at gallipoli memorialised as legends for a century
>completely ignore the far larger swathes of australian soldiers that died in the somme

also:
>hurr durr anzacs on the shores of gallipoli died to protect our freedoms!
yeah, cause the ottoman empire, which was being torn about apart by decline, civil strife, and war was totally on the verge of conquering the continent of australia thousands and thousands of miles across the sea

>>1033919
we had to read some poem about him or some shit at school. I still remember the names of the 3 troopers he murdered, scanlan or something. why is he idolised for murdering 3 innocent people?

>>1033942
George HW Bush ran the country for the entirety of the Reagan presidency. Reagan was just a figurehead with onset of alzheimrs who had to stand there, say some folksy feel-good american values crap, and look good.

>>1045025

he dindu nuffin

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>>1033853
>wins battle by sneaking up on sleepy hessians
>wins second battle with french ground forces and naval support
>treated like jesus
just way too overated

>>1045968
oh shit i had no idea did he do good stuff when he was in charge of taiwan?

Louis Riel
Fuck that guy

>>1034841
If death means nothing to them like islamists or people with a martyrdom complex then killing them is exactly what they want

>>1035559

>>In league with Robert Mugabe
>>Despised the actually progressive and racially unified Botswana for being tolerant towards its white population

proofs?

>>1035489

Lol the Apartheid government killed civilians lol that's why the Apartheid blew up so much. Have you ever heard of the fucking Sharpeville massacre or the Soweto uprising or Bisho massacre?

Also when did he bomb a school bus?

>>1034987
ITS THE CURRENT YEAR SHITLORD

>>1033942
Are you me? He was a shitty president. I still don't understand why conservatives jack off to him, especially because they'd call him too liberal now.

>>1038864
>hated the national bank and currency
>on the fucking 20 dollar bill

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issues fines to his combat troops for not wearing a tie

>>1034898
>directly responsible for out current economic problems

fucking conservatives lmao

>>1046340
To be fair he is more renowned for keeping the continental army (and thus the revolution) alive during the many times it was on the brink of collapse rather than his military prowess.

>>1043921

I already mentioned Gough Whitlam.

>>1043649

I don't like Indonesians so fuck them.

>>1037817
He was a dumb cunt who teased crocs for a living.

>>1035316
>Nasser
>not absolute shit

>>1049665
*promoted conservation for a living

FTFY

>>1034958
This utter cunt is one of the main reasons behind Austria-Hungary disintegrating. I hope he burns in hell.

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>>1034586

i am hurt

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This cuck.

>>1034898
Objectively, a great President. But believe what you want

>>1045042
Well, I'm agnostic and gay. Does that count?

>>1045014
No, I was just knocking off the point where you implied the clothes Soekarno wore weren't brought by the Dutch.

>>1034586
t. Erdogan.

Why do you hate Ante Starčević?

>>1039970
Holy shit, utterly btfo. Everytime I read about other country's citizens being aware and resisting TPP, I am reminded of the country's apathy of the issue. Tbh we are more employee than citizen

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>>1049924
only Jobbik-tier retards consider him a hero.

unlike pic related, who the whole country sees as one of our greatest kings, despite being a filthy usurper with no rights to the throne, thus isolating the country from the European feudal system and causing years of dynastic wars. after finally securing his position as king, he still felt insecure and started one pointless war after the other, bankrupting the kingdom.

Frederick III or Maximillian I should have been the king.

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>>1034958
>created the fed
>started the modern "progressive" movement
>started international interventionalism
>muh league of nations
>set up FDR for being an almost as big of a fuck wit
I want to shit on his fucking grave.

>>1044050
>Greatest Finn
That isn't Lauri Allen Torni.

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>>1035348
This

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Kekkonen is a literal Meme President second only to Mannerheim

>>1034987
At least wait for his reign to be over

>>1046278
Not Aussie but IIRC the story is that he was harassed so much despite being innocent that he just went "fuck it" and became an outlaw? Not sure about the amount of truth to it.

>>1051738
I hated this shithead decades before he became a tranny.

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>>1033853
Bullseye motherfucker

>>1046599
This. His quote was absolutely correct in the context he was referring to. (Fighting Islamist martyrdom obsessives). Trust /pol/tards to take even petty little shit like that out of context to make a major world politician they hate look silly on their Chinky wallpaper forums.

>>1034055
Wow, what illogic.
Just because somebody hates that brain addled fraud, you label them a communist?

>>1040386
Fought for the rights of all persons to be treated equally before the law.

If you're not in favor of that, then you aren't a fucking american, or an advocate of democracy.

Eat that, asshat.

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>>1054146
It's a meme you turboautist.

>>1054164
Niggers aren't people anon.

>>1042870
Sherman understood, and utilised to great effect, modern total war.

To bad you don't understand that.

>>1054166
Racist shits like you are just as human as negroes.

>>1054165
No, it wasn't a meme at all.
It was just a post.
So get it straight, nimrod.

Malcolm X
Reagan
Lincoln

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>>1040903

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>>1054179
>>1054186
Jesus Christ we summoned Trigglypuff.

>>1034514
Thank you. I loathe that man.

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ITT: buttblasted commies

>>1033942
not the worst president we ever had, but certainly the most despicable and who caused some of the most long-lasting damage

>>1034514
absolute cunt of a man

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>>1034884
>tfw the guy who shot him was an Armenian red guard

>>1033853
>Reagan
>Lincoln
>Wilson
>FDR
>Kennedy
>Washington
>Hamilton
>Teddy Roosevelt
>Macarthur

>>1040903
one of my all-time favorite americans

>>1049677
Austria-Hungary was the most repulsive, non-sensical, worthless 'empire' to ever exist

>>1054472
Thatcher's far form universally considered a hero. This only annecdotal, but most of the oldert people I know hate her guts.

>>1054081
It's oppressive shitlord. Islamists can't go to heaven if they're killed by a woman. Of you're correct then he's implying that women cannot be soldiers
Male scum

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All of these lads unfortunately. They were true patriots but they're socialistic madness has ruined my country.

>>1057110
I know what you're saying, but she's a polarising figure. She has got quite a cult of worship, despite being loathed by a good section of the population too.

>>1034483
What has the dude on the 1000 kronor bill ever done to you???

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This guy.

The only reason he's a national hero is because the Americans thought he was a better role model for the Filipinos because he's literally a fucking cuck.

I can't believe that how some people think that he's actually a literal God.

He never really wanted his country to be independent, he wanted our country to be a spanish province. He wrote some shitty ass books kids are forced to read in school, he renounced his Catholic faith before he died, not only that he's a freemason.
The guy died a fucking virgin even though he purportedly had a dozen girlfriends and married a white woman.

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>>1036318
Maybe it's just because my great-granddad fought in the Rising, but I always get irrationally butthurt when people slag off the rebels of 1916
>>1040878
>signed over a blank sheet of paper tbf to the lad
I suppose, I just think he's a hypocrite cos that was one of the main treaty clauses that caused the Civil War and he was being incredibly hypocritical about it (even if it was 10 years later)
>they no longer fought for him, the IRA had no need for a political leader once they went full paramilitary mode
that's why he splintered from Sinn Féin and established Fianna Fáil
This is true, my bad. But I suppose I should say some of them *had* fought for him before.
>he'd have been criticized by everyone and made a shame of himself if he kissed the arses of the allies AFTER the war was over, he was just showing the neutrality you'd already praised him for
Oh of course, not saying he should have kissed the allies' arses (in fact I think his comeback to Churchill's roast was pretty based) but offering condolences when Hitler died was just dumb.
The war was basically over and Dr. Hempel didn't really care, all Dev managed to do was make the allies like him even less than they already did.

Eugene Debs and any other progressive hero we've managed to cook up.

>>1035457
He and the ANC is probably our best example of what absolute savages niggers are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

>>1035019
Dont know much about his civil policies, but even though there were many, many fuckups on the way (see 1967), this guy turned the Egyptian army from "BISMILLAH BISMILLAH RAPE AND LOOT AND DONT FOLLOW ORDERS, ALLAH IS YOUR LEADER" retards into a modern russian-style army.
Just look at the 1973 offensive. That shit was fucking flawless and would have made even Rommel proud. Too bad they were so astonished at their own success they didn't know what to do with it, giving the Israelis enough time to prepare a deadly counter offensive.

>>1035806
It isn't that she herself is a great person, but that she represents the countless number of children who had to suffer through the holocaust

Holy shit, this thread is still alive!

>>1034898
He would have been remembered as a good or even great president, but that won't happen now that Hillary's running. Trump will drag his name through the mud so thoroughly that people will remember him as a rapist.

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>>1035815
>>1041369
>>1058844
>co-authored by Otto frank

>>1034958
I didn't know Wilson was a Pacers fan. He probably wouldn't like basketball now because of all the blacks.

>>1050205
In theory, you could.

>>1033924
MHm
Multiculturalism
Mmmh

>>1058924
>embarrassed father censors most masturbation scenes and such
OY VEY /pol/ wuz right agen :DDDDD

You know if you shits actually knew what you were talking about, it would make matters so much easier.

>>1050205
>started the modern "progressive movement"
You meant gave voting rights to wymyn? Is that a problem in your book feggit?

>started international interventionism
I guess he was the one who took over the Philippines, Panama n shiet. Also, not getting involved in international politics makes you a retard

>muh league of nations
Failed, but not due to his design. It was a good idea to begin with

>created the fed
Lel, lolbertian fagbot. Every country on Earth has a fucking fed you cretinous fuck, nobody would trade with you if you didn't. Not in $$$ anyway

>>1050804

It is true. The Australian legal system was majorly fucked in the 19th century and produced many outlaws as it left them no choice. See also Ben Hall, the most famous bushranger before Ned

>>1046278

Because in Australia there's a code of masculinity that corresponds to how much guts you have, rather than how law-abiding you are.

See also: Chopper Read

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>>1060212
>tfw "fackin' ello

>>1059690
Well, they were