Censorship in Japan

Nothing happened. That's why people think they can get away with it again.

Instead when something does happen, like a huge police raid at an H-manga office or a Comiket booth, people get scared for a while and censor everything to hell.

But the closer the Tokyo olympics get, the worse censoring is going to become though.

I never understood how a nation (in)famous for drawings of tentacle rape and child molestation can have a problem with genitals; especially since they are needed for the above mentioned.

>>4651384
Part of the reason tentacle rape became so popular in Japan is that, since tentacles don't count as genitals, they don't need to be censored. That said,

>a different culture has different taboos
>they seem silly to us
>wow

>>4651403
>We no show geniturrs
>It obscene, turn people into degenurrettu
>You can fuck dog tho, put robster in vaginurr, it kuuru in our ruurus
It's loosely culture-related at this point, the history shows it's just an ancient legal and social restriction they can't let go of.

Apparently it's something they still argue over in regards to law. It's been 100 years, just let it die with its emperor.

what if digital doujins came with removable filters like visual novels? someone needs to make that

>>4651384
Censorship is literally written into their constitution due to deference to the rather puritanical American occupiers, and no member of parliament wants to propose an amendment and be known if as "the porn guy"

Censorship is, according to myself, the main reason about why Japanese don't seems to really enjoy sexuality. On regular porn movie, the arousing part is the genitalia (vagina and dick even indirectly for straight people) no matter the story about that ("oh hi plumber !"). Due to that censorship, it's not really possible anymore and a no story sex is useless.

How to solve that then ? Fetishes and weird stories. You don't have an erection for the sexual part but only for the cosplay, rape story, bukkake, not realistic hentai situation (3 feet length dick, tentacles, ...), loli, incest, inter species and so much /h/,/d/ and /aco/ can show. If you only fapped on that kind of content, regular sex video (and real life one if you're cute enough) gonna be so tasteless.

Agreed with me ?

>>4651776
Agreed.
Can't masturbate unless it's hentai. Ever since i started to watch/read them. Especially one of those that has some short of story. Watching normal porn feels.... Wastefull

What about non-porn censorship? (yes this is /h/ but bear with me) I remember so many instances where anime/games had to come up with cheesy or forced excuses to avoid minors drinking alcohol.

Some especially jarring, like Berseria or Persona5, where "fuck the police" is an understatement they still go with "I can't, I'm only nineteen."

That's where limiting artistic freedom becomes the most apparent. Because those things happen in real life, but they can't tell stories about them.

>>4648572
What is stopping artists from simply uploading and selling their content in offshore servers?

>>4651714
It's not in the constitution, and it's not because of the US occupation. The law is much older than that (over 100 years).

>>4651776
>On regular porn movie, the arousing part is the genitalia
Confirmed for knowing literally nothing about human sexuality. Then again I'm on 4chan's Hentai board. It's like expecting people on r/politics to understand politics.

You just projected your personal preferences onto 120 million people and used them to explain the development of 400 years of sexual culture. There have been tentacled creatures sexually assaulting women in Japanese art dating centuries back. You think they were painting the mosaics on? Christ I should really just look at the picture when I come here and stop reading the shit you people spout.

>>4651821
nothing and some do upload uncensored shit to pixv from time to time. the self censoring is really retarded what is most irritating is every company has their own version instead of all settling on some form of censoring that isn't borderline cancerous like mosaic on top of black bars which is the new trend

>>4651821
It's against the law, and why would they risk jailtime for some dumb gaijin to be able to fap better?

>>4651850
for money cunt, stop following the rules like a good little boy and live

>>4651856
ask again after you went to jail for me

>>4651850
>>4651821
Isn't that what fakku does?

>>4652637
Kill yourself Jacob.

So apparently Comiket is enforcing stronger censorship and I've seen some major guys like Shiwasu complaining that they might not even be accepted this summer.

>>4651850
>>4652637
Oh hi Jewcob shilling early today I see fakku must be slow...

>>4648572
Censorship makes it sexyer

>>4648572
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/02/the-machines-that-claim-to-uncensor-japanese-pornography/

>Inb4 Kotaku

>>4651421

Well, you say that. But there are probably other laws built off of that one. (How law works)

This is why lawyers bring up old laws and shit from like the 1700s. Laws are like bricks, built atop on another. So it may not be that they don't want to let go of it. It's probably more of a pain to rid the law, than it is to upkeep.

>>4651714
>no member of parliament wants to propose an amendment and be known if as "the porn guy"
He would become a national hero and a symbol of sexual freedom through the world.

>>4653921
Righties would mock him and the lefties would refuse to acknowledge his sacrifice because they believe that AVs oppress women and hentai is probably the most unapologetically """"sexist"""" form of art ever.

>>4651836
Yeah. We broke there isolation 150 years ago back when they were mostly naked peasents and some faggots in painted wood.

We told them to cover up. Our men were getting tired of killing samurai and fucking bitches.

You still can't say FUCK on TV in the US either. Why do you dumbasses think you're so superior? Work on getting that minor thing fixed first.

>>4654015
the US is so weird when it comes to censoring. And then look at europe where they simply dont give a shit about either.

>>4651714
we need a smelly otaku for the diet!
Grungy/Sticky '018!

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Japan's censorship is like a cargo cult. They saw "censorship" in the US and tried to imitate it without understanding it.

Did you know it's actually technically illegal in Japan to produce or distribute any image which elicits sexual arousal in the viewer? By the letter of the law, ALL porn in Japan is illegal. Obviously nobody follows these laws. Most places, the US and Canada included, have similar obscenity laws, they're just rendered obsolete by supreme court decisions.

>>4654986
>Canada included, have similar obscenity laws, they're just rendered obsolete by supreme court decisions
Dunno about the US, but Canada's supreme court sadly holds up the retarded idea of objective 'obscenity'

>>4651403
huh, thank you for teaching me something today sir (esp. on 4chan); genuinely appreciated.

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I don't know why people care about censorship desu senpai. I only noticed it when I first started to fap to hentai. After few months I stopped noticing it entirely. I really don't see much difference between uncen fakku released or censored one. Unless I start looking specifically to find censorship, of course
The only time where I notice and it unnerves me a bit like pic related. Light saber censorship that gets a close up taking half of a page. Why would you ever do that? Why making a close up of something that is censored? But once the action starts I stop caring
Maybe I just don't care about dicks and you all are fags in denial?

>>4655305
I don't care about censored dicks either but censored vaginas are the devil.

>>4654986
>technically illegal in Japan to produce or distribute any image which elicits sexual arousal in the viewer

If that's true, that's so vague they probably couldn't do much with it.
What if some guy gets sexually aroused by a landscape photo.
>MT Fuji is so big

>>4655308
They are usually less censored, only the outer lips or something.

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>>4654986

>>4655330
Theres also Tile-anon

>>4655330
>>4655744
I was just thinking about tile fetish guy the other day when I found pic related.
Japanese porn artists should ironically campaign to get tile patterns banned to point out the stupid vagueness of objective obscenity

>>4655334
Most of the time the outer lips are untouched, and the whole inner vulva is censored. If you are lucky it will only be the vaginal opening or clitoris.

>>4654015
That's only for channels that are broadcast via radio. The government regulates public frequencies.

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Meanwhile in COMIC Shingeki...

>>4653945
Sounds pretty gay.

>>4648572
Lightsaber dick is the worst one to be honest

>>4666381
except, of course, for blacksaber dick like in >>4661019

>>4651384
If I'm remembering right, it's just that their obscenity laws are extremely specific.

An uncensored shot of a vagina is obscene, uncensored shot of a dick is obscene. That's why that girl that made the vagina boat is obscene.

In America/western countries, obscenity laws are extremely vague. The definition is literally "I know it when I see it". There are court cases where non-sexual nude pictures of children in baths take by their parents were deemed 'obscene child pornography' under it.

Which is worst, extreme vagueness on law, or extreme specificity?

Also I think there was some poll by porn companies on whether viewer wanted it uncensored and most of them didn't care, so no one in Japan is really pushing for it.

>>4648583
Eh, censorship comes and goes in surges; it's still a gray area when applied to politics and society inside and outside of Japan. I suppose that things will slowly revert back to normal after then.

>>4654986
If that's so, then why do JAVs, hentai, ecchi shows, and other stuff exist? I understand you said "technically", but other than the bill that failed to pass back in 2010, the law is pretty much pointless.

>>4654986
As true as this rant is, I'm getting awfully tired of seeing it everywhere on here lately.

>>4648572
Its completely retarded at this point

>>4666569
>and most of them didn't care
That's because Japanese people are culturally obsessed with things they're familiar with, to an insane degree, and they're absolutely terrified of even the slightest change. They'd rather keep the safe, familiar censorship than improve things, since improvement implies change, and change is scary.

>>4654986
>They saw "censorship" in the US and tried to imitate it without understanding it.
Please stop parroting this as if it were true. It's not. In fact, if anything, the opposite is true.

Japan has had censorship in its lawbooks consistently since the Toyotomi regime of the later 1500s, at the very latest, and this continued to be the case throughout the entire Edo period. Then the Meiji Restoration came along in the late 1800s, they added a constitution to their government, and - shock! - there was a mandate for censorship there, too.

The fact is that America's heavy insistence that freedom of speech and freedom of expression were inalienable human rights and hamfistedly shoving those into Japan's post-WW2 government constitution had more of an impact. Had it not been for those - and arguably good old American capitalism driving their "post-war economic miracle" and giving them lots of opportunities to engage in free enterprise - the erotica you enjoy so much would not have happened.

You are right that Japan does rules-lawyer around the no-porn clause by saying "But it's censored, see? Who faps to a mosaic, eh? Eh?" though. They do this because to the Japanese culture, trying to amend their constitution is unacceptable, but judges are granted far more leeway in interpreting what laws mean and how they can rightfully be applied.

>>4668580
>The fact is that America's heavy insistence that freedom of speech and freedom of expression were inalienable human rights and hamfistedly shoving those into Japan's post-WW2 government constitution had more of an impact.

Ah yes, the great bringer of freedom of speech that banned Holcaust denial and pictures of swastikas in Germany.

>and arguably good old American capitalism driving their "post-war economic miracle" and giving them lots of opportunities to engage in free enterprise

Yeah, Japan had no economy before they were nuked. Just mud huts.

Next in bigoted teacher logic: Without Hitler and Pearl Harbor, we couldn't fap to mosaics! Thanks Hitler!

>>4668706
>Ah yes, the great bringer of freedom of speech that banned Holcaust denial and pictures of swastikas in Germany.
Britain and France did that, much like just about everything else involving Germany in the first half of the 20th century.

>Yeah, Japan had no economy before they were nuked. Just mud huts.
They basically didn't have an economy at that point, actually. Two coup d'etats in less than a century (the end of the Bakufu, followed by the Meiji Restoration) and the combined stress of the initial stages of industrialization as the nation tried to modernize, plus the immense costs of constructing an army, navy, and one of the first air forces, had Japan in pretty dire straits. That's why they wanted to capture the Pacific Islands (which they got for free as concessions nobody else wanted when the Allied Powers lost WW1) and chunks of the east Asian mainland (which, well, others did kinda take notice at). All the resources were being poured into the military, leaving the Japanese people half-starved for the glory of the Empire.

You mention mud huts, but almost all of Japan were still living in houses made of nothing but wood, rice paper, and gravel footings at the time. Because of that, the Firebombing of Tokyo - bad as it was in principle - went very much out of control. All those flammable houses packed tightly together, who'd have thought fire might have been a problem?

>Next in bigoted teacher logic
You're covering that angle quite nicely, mister Gaijin-Zen'in-Sariyuke Tennou-Heika-Banzai. We foolish pokopen could surely learn many things by your example.

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Too bad Angel is a low tier mag.

>>4669060
>but almost all of Japan were still living in houses made of nothing but wood, rice paper, and gravel footings at the time
The purpose of which was to mitigate earthquake damage

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>>4651807
Shit you're right. I binged Girls Und Panzer a few weeks ago, Pravda and Anzio have parties where they drink water from vodka and red wine wine bottles.

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>>4669629
Is there a full translation of this? There should be.

Thin, transparent black line is the best.

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>>4648572
it's ridiculous. It's hypocritical to think that a few pixels can delete all obscenity. The saddest part is that japanese people don't fight to remove censorship, They are faggits that love to fap with pixels. (like some people in this thread that says "censorship is sexier"). lmao.

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>>4648572
You dont know what it is absurd. Your censorship is tame compared to censorship in Comic Mugen tensei 2014-02 -- 2014-04