So we won't even get the full catalog in a reasonable time frame...shit
How long do you think it will take for Fakku to a) translate as much Wani content as the community has translated up until the summer takedowns and b) to further translate so much more additional stuff that they would surpass what fan translators would have done had they had no negative impetus to continue translating Wani stuff after the take down? In other words, if you compare the current situation (universe A) to a hypothetical world where Fakku and Wani did nothing wrong and left us alone (universe B), what year would universe A surpass universe B in wani translation volume?
I think that it will take an VERY long time for a and b to be done, which to me means Wani and/or Fakku pretty much castrated the Wani-fan-translation community and and feeding us small tidbits from now on.
Opinions on this?
btw Jewcob has said that he believes that 5 books a month is the standard he intends, so you can use that to make an opinion I guess. But even with that, the pic I posted still applies from what I understand.
is there any kind of community effort underway to retrieve some of the previously deleted works? IE: putting up a list of the lost stuff and asking people to search their own files and send it to a central location?
>>3816649 We all know fakku did not send the takedowns. It's been proven time and time again. Not to mention out of the 50 years of Wani publications only 5% at most has been scanned and uploaded to the Internet, the majority of their titles are from the 80s and 90s and have never been seen outside of their physical releases in Japan.
tl;dr more people being stupid and blaming fakku for it
>>3816665 >It's been proven time and time again Regardless what side of the debate you are on, "proven" is not something you can claim.
The reason that people have the idea that FAKKU may have played a direct role in this is due to the events' timing. As FAKKU was doing this deal with Wani (or some time around that), the takedowns occurred, which is coincidentally beneficial for FAKKU's new interests. As a result, there are people who think "That can't just be a coincidence" and thus they believe that FAKKU had a direct role in the take downs in some way. Whether this is true or not, the relative lack of transparency (key word is "relative") regarding the timeline and details of the deal makes the idea of Fakku playing a role not entirely farfetched.
What would be "proof" is if FAKKU released screenshots of their initial email correspondances with Wani (unaltered emails is best, although understandibly perhaps somethings might need to be blurred out) so that we know exactly when they happened, and then we compare that to when Tenburo recieved the takedowns. It doesn't even need to be showed to us. If Jacob just showed this to Tenburo and was able to prove to Tenburo that he honestly hasn't involved, Tenburo's word (along with a general summary ideally) should be enough to suffice. The most pertinent emails would be the ones that relate to how to detail with Wani content on other sites.
>>3816643 I kind of stopped going to Fakku a while back but this wasn't really the reason. I kind of switched to pururin but I don't really give a shit on what they do.
Fakku has always had a lively community and if you don't want to pay for something or support something they do, you don't have to. Sorry that they took down something you fapped to, but that's life. Like it? Save it.
Now of course, even this would silence everyone (assume Fakku honestly had no direct role), since some people might claim that he hid emails or maybe he edited them in some way, but it certainly would sway quite a few naysayers to Fakku's side.
Now, the issue of "Even if Fakku didn't do this deal, Wani would still have done this huge takedown" is another matter and is harder to prove. I personally don't believe this particular claim. I am under the impression that Wani only did this because it was now trying to expand to English markets. I would be hard pressed to believe that they care all of a sudden of the the English-speaking community, who wouldn't even be their target audience.
And for the first post I said, obviously I should add that word-of-mouth (aka Jacob's word) isn't proof.
Can someone break this down for me? As I see it: Some Jap publisher or group is responsible for the release of /h/ works in jp. People scan the stuff and release scans online. Along comes person and strikes deal to release content overseas legitimately. Condition is that works become translated and are paywalled/sold.
I see nothing wrong with what I've described assuming it's accurate, I don't understand the negative slant on this hence I need someone to clue me in.
>>3816674 The issue that people might have is as follows
Part 1 1) All of the content of Wani that has already been fan-translated is now harder to find due to the takedowns. 2) Due to the fact that from now on, newly fan-translated Wani stuff will harder to find, fan translators have significantly less impetus to translated Wani stuff (as the people who fan translate these things for free often do it for the sake of the community. If the community won't get to enjoy it that much, why do it? -> is the mentality) 3) At the rate at which FAKKU is releasing these books, we will not have all the fan-translated stuff we lost replaced with legal versions anytime soon 4) FAKKU is a company for profit. They will thus try to translate books and artists that will be the most popular and will get them the most money. As a result, there is a fear that lesser known artists or stories that contain niche fetishs will be sideline for the most part (The "NTR2" story is the first book that fakku is planning to release that contains several such fetishes --> in this case: netorare, lolicon, rape, gangbang, etc --> I expect it to sell terribly, which in turn might additional lead FAKKU to avoid books containing such things) 5) Related to point 4, before this whole ordeal, if an individual wanted to get a particular Wani story or book translated, he could get it commissioned by paying a fan-translator or by using the e-hentai credit system to that that work released, when otherwise it never would have been. In the current situation, this is either not possible or not worth the trouble anymore in a lot of cases. So now we are, for the most part, left to letting chance decide if FAKKU will happen to translate the Wani story we want (but since often the previous system was used to get niche stuff, it is less likely FAKKU will do it in any reasonible time)
>>3816677 Ah right, so it's a case of profit being prioritised rather than giving user interest and translators the control. Given that it's all piracy though, does the credit system still remain morally preferable? The fact that Fakku may very well ignore works due to sales is indeed disappointing, but surely that's the root of business, for themselves and authors alike? Well perhaps not given that authors could have this as a side hobby. I wonder how much of a share they receive after processing.
>>3816683 Now I'm beginning to get it. So they always shared stuff but now they're taking the premium route by charging for otherwise withheld content. Okay, that makes sense. I know it sounds like I'm defending again, but last question:
In comparing Fakku to the previously discussed translators. Outside of being able to commission for specific works, how else is this dissimilar to voting with your wallet? I understand that people will buy things they want to see, and ignore things they won't. While this dicks over the aforementioned niche works and slow 50 year content release, is there anything else that would be missed out on as a result of this new agreement?
6) Some people live in countries where it is illegal to own or purchase certain pornographic products. People in those situations may look at the situation like this >I would never purchase a digital copy of a work since to me owning a digital copy isn't worth paying for. The only hentai I'd ever actually spend money on is on a physical copy...but I can't do that because the country I'm in doesn't allow that...I guess I'll stick to just looking online for my Wani hentai...wait...what's this?...all the Wani hentai is gone...and now I have to pay for it to get it back...but I said buying non-physical hentai isn't worth the money...but now I have to do so, since a physical copy is not an option in my country...FUUUUCCCCKKKKK 7) A lot of people might have been fine with all of the above if Wani just did the following seemingly reasonible thing: "Websites, you must take down all of our content that we have releases in English and that we are doing to release in English within the near future (lets say "near future" is anywhere between 3-12 months). You can however leave up fan-translated stuff that we are not planning on releasing in the near future". ----> Something like this. People may differ on the details, but something generally about leaving the stuff that Wani wouldn't replace soon alone was desired. 8) Obviously most people don't have the money to buy all the doujins they want even if they are willing to purchase. For this reason, even people who are willing to support FAKKU books still have an interest in having the fan translation scene remain active in translating Wani content so that they can still read the stuff that they unfortunately would have like to pay for, but can't. The extremely heavyhanded action taken by Wani, however, has made this harder to achieve since it curbed the translation scene's presence in Wani doujins enormously
>>3816703 On the topic of blaming Wani for removing ALL content vs translated, I don't agree with this point of view. The work is derivative, saying that translations should be free because of the unavailability of it isn't a valid point. While I sympathise with the wasted effort, take a look at the FF Type-0 translation. The logic simply doesn't hold up. While I understand that some people don't have the bank to afford buying everything they consume I don't deem that an appropriate reason for condemning Fakku's actions. The other reasons make more sense such as being business focused rather than consumer focused, which will undoubtedly reduce content variety and narrow down the potential consumers, understandably to those who will actually pay to see what they want. While this course of action is seen as anti-consumer, it's how any sensible business might run. Trash what doesn't sell, promote what does. You don't keep translating works that result in an overall net loss in terms of translation and publication costs.
>>3816709 Yeah, I can see this being a bit more level headed. Of course we are just pirates in denial, I would like to see authors doing this directly but they need a publisher and a publisher needs sales. Seeing their content reach Western consumers in a legitimate way is a net positive even if that locks out less popular artists.
>>3816674 Part 3 9) Another big topic is the issue of the role of the piracy in promoting sales (this also applies to regular anime and manga as well). A lot of people here would say that it is a better economic move for Wani to leave fan translations (especially for stuff they have not already released official English releases for) untouched, as this can get people invested in the stories and/or authors. People who really like a story or artist are arguibly likely to want to actually buy a official copy of the work to own for themselves (especially if it is a physical copy). Via this way, they can also support the artist they like while reading the high-quality English uncensored story. Thus, people here would say "How can you expect people to buy your work if we have no idea what's in it?' etc etc, ~pretty much, this point is the whole "Is piracy actually beneficial for sales?" 10) Another issue is people are wondering how much of the cost of the book goes towards the actual artist. There are at least two middlemen in buying the English version, FAKKU and Wani, so it is not too absurd a question to ask. There is a fear from some that the amount the artists receive might be low. It doesn't help that Jacob claims that he is legally prohibited from releasing that information, which otherwise ideally could silence these claims.
>>3816709 FAKKU-affiliated person, please stop acting combative and overly retarded and please actually read.
When did I say otherwise to >Fakku has stated several times they will never send takedowns for scanlations ?
I am listing reasons why people may not like the current situation. Regardless of whether these concerns are to be considered valid or not, I am listing the complaints that people in reality mention.
>Don't bother, you're posts are awful and misinformed. Please to do not comment if you are doing to needlessly be a jackass and not read.
>>3816710 >On the topic of blaming Wani for removing ALL content vs translated, I don't agree with this point of view. The work is derivative, saying that translations should be free because of the unavailability of it isn't a valid point.
I am just listing what some people have said. Whether the point is valid or not is not what I was trying to discuss or not.
>>3816719 Ah, so piracy promotes sales. It treads a fine line in that regard so I cannot agree or disagree. As with the ago old argument of "you can't value sales that would never have happened", lost sales via piracy is a myth and I can therefore see the value in your point. However, wouldn't seeing a constant and reliable source of the author's material discourage pirates from ever contributing towards their preferred author? Well this isn't avoidable even with the current system so I pose another question: Would the apparent "low" income the author receives via Fakku/Wani be meaningful enough to subscribe to this entire model?
Thanks for keeping up with my questions, hope I'm not a nuisance.
>>3816721 I was initially responding to >>3816674 so I was providing that person with the reason why he/she was seeing a "negative slant" on this issue.
As for the misinformation, may I ask if there is a specific point I made that may spread such?
Point 1, 2, and 5 are valid, right?
I think point 3 is not debatable right? Certainly FAKKU will get a number of them relatively soon, but not all of them.
Point 4 maybe I can see you thinking perhaps is me putting up misinformation. However, is my evaluvation wrong? I assume that most of the stuff released (at least in the near future) is normal stuff, with niche content and perhaps artists being less frequent. Not just business-wise, but for most people (myself included since I love vanilla and dislike ntr, rape, etc) this is a reasonable tactic. There are people of course that prefer the opposite though. Obviously, the whole "How is NTR2 going to sell and how will that effect future releases?" is just my opinion.
Point 6 is valid for people of that mindset, is it not? I assume that a lot of people think that only the physical copy is worth buying, but that is my opinion. It is fact though that those people exist.
Point 7 is something that factually a lot of people would have preferred. Assuming you are the Fakku-affilited guy, I know you said that it is within Wani's rights to do that sort of this. Yes, of course that is true. But that doesn't change that people would have preferred if the situation turned out the way I described it
Point 8 & 9's validity is debatable, but factually is something people have used as a criticism.
Point 10 is just something people are worried about. There is no evidence that the the artists are getting shafted. I never claimed they were. I did say that since there is an additional middleman, people wondering about it isn't totally crazy. What I of course should have additionally mentioned is that, obviously, the English book is more expensive than the Japanese one.
>>3816711 /guy who said "show me" here/ I might be wrong, but I believe that people are actually more concerned with the July takedowns. I don't think we are as concerned about the April ones. As far as I know, people are complaining that: In July, generally around Jacob got his deal with Wani completed, Wani choose to send the full takedown request (the takedown that actually tookdown (nearly) all Wani content). As for the specifics, people may have had any of the following thoughts (as to whether or not these thoughts are valid is another story): >a) Wani would have never sent such a strong takedown request as the July if they were not starting to expand into English markets >b) Wani would have never tried to get into English market if it wasn't for FAKKU co-operating with them (I personally forgot if Jacob initated this contact or not) >c) Maybe Jacob told Wani about the panda in order to protect his new interests while at the same time not technically being the takedown order. [according to Fakku though, Wani stuff that Fakku hasn't yet released is not "in FAKKU's interest" to protect, so this is debatable]. Or perhaps Jacob revealed that information as a show of good faith to Wani or something similar. Or if not to protect his interest, perhaps it just somehow came up in their discussions and as a result, Wani discovered the hidden side of e-hentai (assuming they had not already) and subsequently redoubled their efforts.
I am just saying stuff that I have seen people say. Don't know if any of this is true or not.
>>3816741 Wani sent takedowns to both E-Hentai and sadpanda in April. That is why searches for Kairakuten and Comic X-Eros were censored on sadpanda. Those takedowns were sent before Jacob started talking to Wani about publishing.
I for one am glad that fakku is doing what they are doing. Without them this content wouldn't exist at all anymore and now they are supplying us with the material uncensored.
>>3816736 You're looking at proof jewcob sent a takedown request one week before wani's second purge of ehentai. You're the noob here who doesn't know what he is looking at, not me, and when you support fakku you doom the scanlation community just like crunchy roll doomed fansubs. Yes fakku hired daiz, an employee at crunchy roll.
>>3816744 No. You are wrong again and you are also an idiot.
That is not a takedown request. That is Jacob asking to add "FAKKU Books" to the do not upload list. He even says in the email that they aren't going to release anything for a few months and that it's just a formality.
>>3816743 The content would be easier to find if fakku hadnt betrayed us all, readers, fans and scanlators. It wouldve simply been shared on other sites or in secret clubs. Fakku has always had a small portion of the manga of sites like ehentai, but if fakku cant sell it, fuck no way in hell is jewcob going to let ehentai share it.
>>3816751 who exactly do you think you're speaking for. I am a scanlator and I support fakku. In fact all the scanlators I know support fakku. Jacob talked with scanlators about this months ago before any of the fakku books stuff came to exist
>>3816748 Jewcob sent out a preemptive takedown request, and then probably snitched to wani when ehentai said in July they would not comply. Don't mince words with someone who has one of the first ehentai accounts.
>>3816750 Ah sorry. What I asked at first was: Would the convenience of piracy simultaneously promote the author but also result in further piracy due to how easy it is?
This first question is a moot point because both methods cannot prevent this. The question then became:
Is the net gain that the author receives really doing an equal job of supporting the author, ie: Does the inclusion of fakku result in a greater, equal or lesser pay for the author in terms of fans wishing to contribute? Understandably this isn't public information but I assume there's a ballpark figure. Thanks again.
>>3816752 I am a scanlator with dozens of releases and I am morally opposed to fakku's sellout, hypocritical takesowns and pricing, so do not add me to your list when you say all scanlators support fakku.
>>3816743 >Wani sent takedowns to both E-Hentai and sadpanda in April. That is why searches for Kairakuten and Comic X-Eros were censored on sadpanda. Those takedowns were sent before Jacob started talking to Wani about publishing.
Right, and no one was blaming FAKKU at that time, right? It was the timing of the July takedowns that is the debated topic I think.
>Without them this content wouldn't exist at all anymore That is true. The issue though is that there is the belief that FAKKU played a role in the dissappearing content and and now selling that content at a price (obviously what Fakku is providing is better than what we previously had through in terms of quality). These people will say that if it wasn't for FAKKU, that stuff wouldn't have gone away to begin with.
>now they are supplying us with the material uncensored. This of course is a good thing.
>>3816699 The problem is that what they're doing is sleazy. They'll fuck over certain artists and give away their shit free, but charge for certain others to make a buck. Its the worst of both worlds. They should either go totally legit or have remained totally not. Not this quasi bullshit.
>>3816775 I'd prefer honest unrepentant piracy to pompous "we aren't thieves now when the publishers let us sell things, we only illegally host the things publishers haven't given us a deal to sell" of fakku.
>>3816757 >Does the inclusion of fakku result in a greater, equal or lesser pay for the author in terms of fans wishing to contribute? This is what people were/are curious about. On the ongoing FAKKU Books Q&A (here--> https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=171247), after Jacob/Daiz said that they cannot reveal the specifics, the question shifted to "Can you give a a generic range or something along those lines? Something not specific, but that still gives a little insight?" >In other words, you can give us a range or an average. What percent does an artist on average receive? Does the artist even receive more than fifty percent of the revenue when you sell a product?" This was the specific question I saw on the thread. The reply to it from Daiz was: >He can't legally answer even that, sorry. I know it sucks, and this kind of secrecy surrounding royalty numbers sucks in general (it happens all over the place, with music, games, and so on), but unfortunately we don't get to decide the rules on this. (If we did, I'd be totally for making this kind of info public.)
So that is troublesome. Not only is there no transparency, we cannot even get a tiny bit of information according to them. It could be 5%, it could be 80%. We have no idea whatsoever and apparently we never will --> unless the artist tells us or something if that is possible.
They have not specifically responded to the reply: >I never asked you to provide exact numbers for every single artist. I have asked you to provide approximations, and ratios which is within your legal rights. Check with your lawyer if you don't believe me, and if you will still insist you still cannot, talk to Wani and get written permission to give such an approximation!
...there has been no response to that yet either because a) they ignored it b) they didn't see it c) they feel that their previous response covers that question d) it's not worth answering e) they think it is a stupid suggestion f) maybe some other reason.
>>3816757 continuing from my other response, I don't know what percentage is a good minimum percentage to be worth it for the artist (perhaps some other more business-aware anon can provided an educated estimate), but obviously people may be dissatisfied if it is a rather low value like 10%. In my uneducated opinion, I think 50% or more is good. But again, we have no idea.
>>3816813 You obviously see no problem if fakku is fleecing artists, charging at least double for its english releases, and then telling fans to be patriotic and buy it to to support the artists. You may go back to buying your fakku as jewcob's little lapdog, but stop besmirching the critical thinking of those who oppose fakku with righteous fervor.
>>3816813 >Regardless any percentage is more than these artists get from having their work pirated on sadpanda. I think for some, the issue may be something like "I am willing to give up my pirating, just as long as the artist gets a good amount from purchase. If I lose the ability to pirate but in exchange the artist only gets a nickel for every dollar, that was not worth me losing the ability to pirate"
>Most book publishers in the United States give 30% to the artist, 30% to the retailer, and 30% to the publisher. I would expect the fakku deal to be similar. inb4 someone says that the percentages doesn't add up
Ok, so I assume something around this is considered reasonable. Hopefully the Fakku-Wani deal adopted something like this. I am wonder through where exactly Fakku fits in here. Does Fakku count as the (only) retailer? If not and Fakku counts as the publisher, does the fact that there are "two" publishers, Fakku and Wani make the Publisher section get more of the cut? If so, which of the other two sections lost some of the share? I am just wondering about questions like that.
>>3816953 Better idea: don't buy from either the jews or the new American Rape Conglomerate (ARC). It's not our fault these greedy middlemen can't get their act together and will not create platforms that give a fair cut to creators. Japan doesn't need or want your dirty gaijin money. Dlsite bans shota/loli and a ton of fetish manga on its English site, and some credit cards. Fakku helps wani to be a takedown asshole. Slow down and wait for an ethical company to appear which offers a fair digital platform instead of rushing like a bug to the headlights because you saw the word "hentai for sale, please support the artists." People would make better choices if they'd take one hand off their dick when they're fumbling for their credit card.
>>3816962 >Japan doesn't need or want your dirty gaijin money
But you're wrong? And you reek of /pol/ First off they clearly do want us as customers, by working with fakku they have expanded their market outside of Japan. This is not a bad thing. It allows us to support the publishers/artists.
What is wrong with the way fakku is distributing the digital content so far? I purchased their first book and was very pleased with the result, no drm or anything. Are you saying you would prefer drm?
>>3816968 Wani wanted to take everything offline. It's probable Jewcob pitched they give him a cut and maybe earn a few pennies by reselling works that already had translations, or selling translations that would already be translated. Then when ehentai just hid them instead of taking their work down, Jewcob probably told Wani about how to access the secret club. The timing is just too conincidental- one week after Jewcob emailed 10B to put his works on a DNP list. Fakku looks hugely unethical no matter what you say, but if you're a fakku shill, or some young fakku member who needs to defend a dumb purchase, you'll believe anything your master tells you. No point in going in circles with you on whether he had a role in it or not, and the point still remains that he never should have gone into selling hentai if he wasn't going to completely distance himself from his past work on that site. To do otherwise shows he is a hypocrite.
>>3816972 Holy shit you are stupid. I am not even going to prove your points wrong again because they have already been proven wrong in this very thread. Not to mention that fakku translates everything on their own and has nothing to do with the scanlated versions. god damn you are stupid.
>selling translations that would already be translated also wat
>>3816972 >Wani wanted to take everything offline. It's probable Jewcob pitched they give him a cut and maybe earn a few pennies by reselling works that already had translations, or selling translations that would already be translated. Then when ehentai just hid them instead of taking their work down, Jewcob probably told Wani about how to access the secret club.
Another jewcob and his goons shill thread. Seriously, for how much longer do you pieces of shit intend to assault this board with your ridiculously obvious shill threads? At this point, anyone with half a brain here on 4chan knows what you guys are about, it's way too late for damage control the unsavable image 4chan has about fakku, yet you still insist like an obnoxious brat who covers his ears and eyes and goes "LALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!". Seriously, give it a rest already, it's over.
Here's a simple pasta for those that missed out on the drama...
>4chan /h/ and /a/ is a place were you go and get links to free hentai hosting sites.
>Some anons buy/imports their hentai, others don't period. This doesn't have to be 100% out of spite and cheapskate as these shills are trying to make it look like for the sake of their own benefit, but simply because said anons do not consider that fapping material is worth their monies. Should they not be able to get it for free, they would look elsewhere or for something different which is a very common human habit (much to business people's dismay).
>Because of the above mentioned, business people gets upset and seek for a way to make their benefits grow by all means, a while ago, publishers (fakku & wani) started to send DMCA strikes in mass to our beloved free hosting sites, X amount of content was taken down, the content is being sold by said publishers albeit most of it can be yet still found for free.
>Publishers hold the license to the content, so it's in their right to protect it by all means. True, however, allowing publishers to hold absolute monopoly over the content is even worse (history proves that), corporate greed tends to decay the things within it's grasp, sooner or later. Like another anon pointed out, one day, there will be a way to contribute directly to the author, until then, give Jewcob & Co. the middle finger only.
>>3817979 This post is purely in defense of piracy. Quit using words like "beloved" and "monopoly" to veil it.
>>3817994 This right here is something I also want perspective on. It seems like the Adblock whitelist issue where advertisers could pay to get placed on an approved list of adverts that would not be blocked. Pretty sure Germany got pissed at them but I can't find the article.
You might say "Fakku is paywalling content and forcing publisher compliance.", but I can't see this as an effective move seeing as how the aforementioned alternative avenues are available. Second to this point, they're not just hiding content behind a fee, they're generating new content through translations AFAIK. Can a level-headed anon provide his view on this issue where Fakku is equal parts piracy and legitimate?
>>3818041 They're not equal part pirate and legitimate they're about 99% pirate and 1% legitimate. The only way they could be considered legit is if they delete the 99% of things on their website that they don't have the rights to use yet still make money off of.
>>3818043 Oh I understand that entirely, hence why I likened it to the Adblock whitelist. I phrased it as equal because that's what I'm gleaning from the thread, it seems to be the general opinion that they are the sole gateway, like some all or nothing provider.
>>3818041 >This post is purely in defense of piracy. The same piracy which jewcob benefits from. And before they had deals with wani, piracy is pretty much what fakku was all about, the fact that they are switching business model to something more "legit" now doesn't erase what they did in the past, bunch of hypocrites.
>Quit using words like "beloved" and "monopoly" to veil it. Oh no, I'm not veiling anything, here at 4chan anyone pretty much knows what's up with piracy, there's even a board /t/ about it. It is you fakku shills/cultists who are diverting, twisting and veiling facts about your beloved jewcob gaining control of the industry outside Japan, thus monopolizing it. People just don't want to be part of your stinking business and by the end of the day, non of you can do anything about it. The very own shills that are making these fakku threads frequent and will keep frequenting places like panda which I find most hilarious. Trying to bring shit like fakku to a place like this that knows what they have done and the fact that they're probably capable of worse for the sake of that extra penny is like trying to make 4chan like tumblr or reddit by shoving it down the throat with these shill threads, it will only make things worse. Like I said before, cease your attempts of white knighting places like fakku which are so full of shit, not only is it pathetic but futile as well.
>>3818064 I'm sorry you feel this is a conspiracy, I've never used Fakku and don't really know about the Wani content and such. Call me what you will but it's certainly baseless. You say that the guy benefits from piracy, this is stated with absolutely nothing to explain it. Please elaborate on your statements. Gaining control of the industry, right this is completely incorrect. If anything it's places like DLSite that have the monopoly. One publisher is nothing compared to that. I'm also not white knighting but attempting to familiarise myself with the situation in an unbiased way. You're clearly on the negative side which clouds your sense of judgement and you're lashing out at the wrong people.
>>3818066 Also hey guys. I noticed this thread and don't understand shit about it so please take your time in explaining. If I'm incorrect about anything I'll accept your point of view but explain it like I'm five.
>Wani sends takedown notices to E-hentai, fakku and other sites in april >Wani shit on E-hentai pins for the fjords and ends up in the EX sekrit sekrit club but is still available >Fakku finishes their deal with Wani in July >Wani sends another take down notice to EX-hentai around the same time A good number of anons on this website don't know how to get to sadpanda at all and half the people that do, don't or didn't know that there's a wider access level once you have a higher member rating.
The main way you get a high enough member rating is by having 4-5 year old account, you can also get your member up by make a shit0ton of approved, recognized posts on the forums, by sinking fucking thousands of hours into hentaiverse or buy uploading/seeding galleries.
Wani somehow went from knowing about E-hentai to knowing about doublesandpanda in about 3 months, coincidentally just in time to finish their deal with Jacob.
Or they were told about it by someone that knew that they would listen to, like Jacob.
There's no proof that he didn't tell wani and no proof that he did. Japanese entertainment publishers don't give a fuck about the east 99.9% of the time. Even if Jacob was a fucking paragon of humanity it would STILL be more likely that he told them rather than them finding this shit out on their own in that short a time without being told.
Amidst all the missing hentai from the takedowns, there are still some positives. Homunculus' Renai Sample tank is totally uncensored. Presumably anything Fakku releases from wani artists (albeit slowly) will be the same. Given how censorship laws really tightened up in japan, it would be nice to see uncensored works. I don't like how it's more difficult to pirate wani stuff and how scanslators are backing off of translating their stuff, but if I can get access to uncensored wani stuff in the future, that's something to look forward to.
I think if Jacob hires more translators and wani (or however fakku gets their source material) sends over works quicker, they could get more translated, uncensored works out faster. Yes, Jacob is a greedy hypocrite, and I would much rather find a way to directly send money to the artists than send it through a middle-man like Fakku, but from my perspective there are some positives to take out of all this. Or perhaps I'm just naive and misinformed.
I'm also a scanlator and I don't support what Jacob's trying to do insofar as coming to other places hat in hand and then saying how much he really loves E-Hentai. Makes me fucking suck. I also oppose his plan to make hentai popular in meatspace, that's the type of shit that gets you arrested despite "but I'm in Oregon, muh CBLDF!" That shit means nothing when people can attach a name and a face to works that can be seen as illicit in the wrong light.
I don't really understand this whole ordeal. From what I gather, Fakku basically owns everything now, so they want to stop people distributing their stuff for free. Isn't that a normal thing for a business to do?
So where does all this hate come from? I'm just as pissed as everyone about it being harder to find all the doujin now, but I don't see that as a reason to hate Fakku. It's not like old Crunchyroll, where there were very clear reasons to hate them. Yes, Fakku has a very limited selection of doujin, and even more limited selection of physical copies, and that's a reason to shit on people who use it as their primary hentai source, but not a reason to hate Fakku.
Can someone spoonfeed me and tell me why everyone hates them for this Wani deal? And if possible not shit on me for the mistakes in my post, I haven't slept in a while.
>>3818747 Oh, I assumed they got permission or something for their non-Fakku Books, but that was stupid of me, especially since they have some of my own translations there, which I definitely didn't get permission to do.
Well that changes everything, Fakku kills all other sites for doing something they themselves are still doing. Down with Fakku, etc.
Yes, they only have any legitimate claim to Wani works. Everything else from other magazines to 100% of doujinshi is just straight on piracy on their site. Maybe if they talked to every single doujin artist, but I sincerely doubt they've even talked to one, maybe aside from the few artists who also publish in Wani.
This is what the current argument hinges on I believe. The business side of it is irrelevant because they're acting as a gateway and have struck a deal with the publisher, it's not for us to comment on. The meat of the discussion now shifts to:
Is this a move to legitimise practices? In that case they should remove the content for which they don't have permission to distribute. Is this a move to force the hand of publishers? In that case they are the worst.
Regardless of their motives the price of content is being heavily criticised, it would make sense to provide a breakdown to earn the trust of consumers. Few are going to pay several times more for a physical copy than what local consumers are willing to part with.
I keep seeing the same claims popping up over and over again, so these are my two cents. No matter what side you're on, facts are hard to come by, so don't take any of this (or anything said by any Anon) as facts, but rather conclusions I've reached through reasoning.
>OP: FAKKU won't release the full catalog anytime soon. From the sound of things, they currently have 1 translator and 2 editors. I don't think they can even keep up with new releases with a small team like that, so they're gonna need to get a lot bigger before they can even start thinking about going through the backlog. You also gotta ask yourself if they'll be able to sell every single release from 2002 and make a profit from them.
>Wani should've only asked for the scanlated versions to be removed E-hentai is one of the biggest sites in Japan. They did this to protect their (at the time, the only) market. It's also unlikely that a copyright holder would be okay with their content being pirated in any way.
>But piracy is good advertisement. While some companies acknowledges this to some degree (episode one of a new season "leaks" the week before it airs to create buzz), most big companies don't seem to think having your stuff available for free is good for business.
>>3818760 >>3818760 >FAKKU are responsible for DMCAs one way or another. Copying from another post: >>3816795 "Also, Look up Pineapples r' Us. It's a FAKKU hosted scanlation group that posts Wani content. If FAKKU were actually sending out DMCAs like a lot of people still claim, they'd remove that blog. They don't care about RAWs or scanlations."
>The artists get nothing while Jewcob gets rich. Just like the one before, this is a "proof" on contradiction. The artist of a book has to approve it being published uncensored in English before they can release it. It's reasonable to assume that the artists wouldn't work for free, or do something that would lose them money, which would mean they at least get something.
>FAKKU won't release shitting dicknipples the manga because it wouldn't be profitable. Also only vanilla. No shit. Just like the artists, FAKKU can't work for free, so they obviously can't work on something that would lose them money (especially not when they're just getting started). However, they're already testing the waters with NTR^2, which is a good sign.
If they're super successful, perhaps in the future they'll be able to publish things as pure fan service, but until then, they need to publish things that actually sell.
>>3818761 >Porn is illegal in my country. I live with my parents. Paying for porn is stupid! I've got good news for you: piracy is still around, and will probably always be around. FAKKU release their book without DRM, because they know it's gonna get pirated eventually no matter what. As long as they sell enough to make a profit, you'll still be able to pirate whatever you can't/don't wanna buy.
>FAKKU are hypocrites. One of the points I can argue with. Just like all other sites, they only removed the Wani content. As long as they continue to host anything for free, you can keep making this argument.
>>3818931 This. They wanted stuff gone to protect domestic sales beyond anything else. Anything new that gets that good is probably gonna face similar trouble eventually. One site falls, another will rise. The important thing is making sure there's backups of stuff you want.
Couldn't have worded it much better. This discussion is turning to crap though and I'm having trouble following the different points of view. If some kind anon would summarise it regularly it would help my understanding.
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