> but it's more immersive to be low FPS

>>62459423
Turn on motion interpolation.

>>62459449
SVP is not good enough

I like SVP but it would be a lot better if filmmakers would record movies at 60 or 120fps. 24fps looks like a slideshow.

I'll never happen, kinofags have a raging hard-on for 23.976 fps and sperg out when it goes above that. it's like they love stuttery panning scenes.

>>62459423
People have been trained to expect movies to look full of unnatural motion blur to the point anything else doesn't look like a movie and feels cheaply produced.

It's sad, but there's no way to reverse it.

>>62459484
This won't happened anytime soon.
They tried HFR (48fps) with some movies a few years ago but people were not used to it and found it disturbing.
We need to prepare people with youtube/twitch/whatever before putting 60FPS movies in theaters.
I can't wait to see long takes in smooth 60/120fps.

>>62459423
I like 60 FPS movies/videos.

>>62459524
>People have been trained to expect movies to look full of unnatural motion blur to the point anything else doesn't look like a movie and feels cheaply produced.

You're wrong.

Most modern TV's have high frame-rate motion interpolation. Normalfags have no problem watching movies and tv shows on said HDTV's. It's even a selling point.

>>62459423

60 fps videos are shit and unnatural. they make every fucking thing look like a video game footage. fite me faggots.

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>>62459484
Watching movies at 60fps would be like watching a soap-opera on TV. Or watching a sports event. A big part of the film look at 24fps, is the motion blur from the longer exposures and something that CGI movies like Jurassic Park had to recreate virtually.

Even most modern sitcoms, drama, scifi programs on normal TV still use film frame rates. Even though NBC, CBS, FOX, and ABC are capable of either 60 fields per seconds at 1080i or 60fps at 720p.

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People are only averse to 60fps because they grew up seeing movies in 24fps and that's what they're used to.

60fps can be cinematic if you come into it with an open mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ

>>62459795
Motion blur looks like shit though, I don't care if it's natural or digitally created.

>>62459522
>23.976 fps
This is the reason I hate NTSC so much, such a pants on head retarded framerate.

why the fuck haven't they released the hobbit in 4k 60fps yet?

>>62459871
Apparently UHD-Bluray doesn't support 60fps for some reason.

>>62459894

yes it does

regular bluray doesn't, but uhd bluray should

>>62459423
for once i agree that 60 fps is a total meme for movies

try to watch LOTR on 60 fps

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>>62459827
Well that's your opinion man, but that's the only way you can watch 24fps without it looking like a moving picture book. There is a reason why TV modern sitcoms, drama, scifi programs use 24fps. While game shows, sports, and the news use 60fps. Because 60fps conveys reality, while 24fps seems to have a different mental effect I can't explain.

You going to tell me game shows, sports, and the news are the only ones with a budget for 60fps cameras.

>>62459863
NTSC is 29.97, what you just listed was PAL

>>62459920
>but uhd bluray should
Well, it doesn't. It's really dumb, but it doesn't support it for some reason.

>>62459950
PAL has a nice even framerate, the reason NTSC has such a retarded one is because it wasn't made with color TV in mind, and they wanted to keep old sets compatible. Oddly enough the UK was the first country in the world with functional TV broadcasts, and they used PAL, I dunno what they used before PAL was introduced, but they seems to have transitioned without any problems.

>>62459938
24fps was literally only chosen because any lower it looks like a slideshow, and any higher and it costs too much money. 24fps is only relevant for physical film, now that we live in a digital age the physical limitations of film are irrelevant. It's garbage that filmakers keep pushing higher resolutions and better quality color and sound, but still keep the archaic 24p standard.

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>>62459863
It has to do with adding color to NTSC ,which was only designed as B&W, and not interfering with the audio signal. Put simply, they had to put the color signal out of phase with the audio. So old 60 field per second B&W NTSC became 59.940 field per second color. 2/5 of 59.940 is 23.976. And the color broadcasts were still backward compatible with B&W TVs. It's probably the biggest band-aid in broadcast history, that we still live with in the digital age. Even though it is no longer needed.

Won't 60 fps be a bitch on filesize?

>>62459812
>Super35 8K HELIUM Sensor
>$50K
>300MB/s
Good lord. Where do you save all that footage.

>>62460018
>It's probably the biggest band-aid in broadcast history, that we still live with in the digital age. Even though it is no longer needed.
That's why I hate it so much. It's really annoying when I want to for example make a video with some footage from a new TV show and it's so awkward to sync everything manually because of the ass-retarded framerate. Hasn't the US phased out analog transmission anyway at this point?

>>62459963

PAL uses retarded 25fps and 50fps which literally no monitor or TV supports.

60fps is the standard in all monitors and TV's.

>>62459449
>using motion interpolation
were you possessed by a demon when you typed that?

Some directors said that to shoot in 60fps the actors have to learn to act differently

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>>62459963
>Oddly enough the UK was the first country in the world with functional TV broadcasts, and they used PAL, I dunno what they used before PAL was introduced, but they seems to have transitioned without any problems.

It was some low resolution B&W format made by the BBC, which was eventually phased out for PAL in the 60s.

Should also point out that PAL is heavily based on NTSC which was made in the 1930s, just PAL was designed when color was a thing and was able to learn from the NTSC format. NTSC also had a problem with hue shift between broadcast and reception. And so the name PAL stands for "Phase Alternating Line" which fixes this hue shift found in NTSC. PAL being the last analog format is kind of why it's the best, because it learned from everyone else.

>>62459963
It was inadvertently a positive for gayming though, NTSC games could be at 30/60fps at 240p/480i while PAL games were 25/50fps at 288p/576i. 25fps is practically unplayable.

>>62460051
Yes, US is digital only.

>>62459812
Live is not a movie. Movies are fake, and high frame rate brings this out. I tried to watch Aliens on a 60fps interpolated TV and it just lost all of its suspense with the models looking fake, the rear projection being obvious, and the actors' performances all just seeming... small.
Your mind has to put low frame rate film together, and it fills it with "this is real." High frame rate shows you what's actually there, and what's there is fake.

>>62460093
That's an unfortunate consequence of Japan using NTSC hence making most games made for NTSC rather than a shortcoming of PAL though.
>>62460105
Why keep that fucky framerate then?

>>62459664
>the closer something gets to real life the less natural it is
are you perchance retarded?

>>62460063
Almost all monitors can be downclocked to 50Hz if you need to play old PAL stuff.

>>62460051
You do know that when watching film on digital DVB (PAL Countries), everything is usually sped up from 24-->25fps. Making the program play faster with a higher pitched audio. Telecine is also sometimes used but usually not.

>Hasn't the US phased out analog transmission anyway at this point?
Yes but we ALL still use the same frame rates. PAL countries that have moved to DVB still use 25, and former NTSC countries moved to ATSC while keeping 30000/1001 fps. A fraction fps.

>>62460093
>25fps is practically unplayable.
Higher resolution though and games that played at 50 FPS weren't a problem.
30 FPS in unplayable also. But we are talking about 80's and 90's console games, so this never mattered much.

>>62460029
Not really. Video compression uses motion estimation. Higher frame rate = better estimation.
60fps is bigger than 24fps to be sure, but nowhere near 2.5x the size.

Im use to 60fps
But 30 fps is fine if it's a stable 30fps


Stable 30fps>>>60fps that dips

60 FPS should become the norm. None of that interpolated garbage. Let's make it happen.

>>62460063
>PAL uses retarded 25fps and 50fps which literally no monitor or TV supports.
ALL monitors can display any framerate, they just can't sync their refresh with them. You're an idiot.

Anyhow, I know what the retardo meant.
All VGA CRTs support 50Hz.
All PAL monitors / TVs support 50Hz.
Most 90's and onward consumer TVs support PAL60 also, they can run PAL content at 60Hz or even NTSC content fine at 60Hz.
Can a NTSC TV do that? No.

Not to mention, PAL had SCART, NTSC didn't have consumer RGB while almost every SCART port on a 90's+ consumer TV supported RGB over it.

>>62460113
This guy gets it

>>62460113
You are beyond repair then. Just like >>62459812 said.

>>62460178
When the movie looks real, then the illusion of the story is lost. It just ends up looking like you are someone with a VHS camcorder taking video, as the frame rates would be the same. (NTSC VHS is 59.94 fields per second which can be interpolated to 59.94 fps. ) Something like a documentary would work, and many/most documentaries have not been 24fps as they are not trying to make a fictional story.

>>62460018
First time i see someone not retarded on /g/
Of course none of nu/g/ will understand or appreciate your post.

>>62460301
Lurk more then, don't know what shithole meme generals you usually lurk then.

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>>62460113
>I tried to watch Aliens on a 60fps interpolated TV
>interpolated

You're making an impression from faux-60fps. Try seeing the real thing.

>>62459522
Yep, also I'd like decent filmmakers to stop with all this digital cameras nonsense

>>62460299
>When the movie looks real, then the illusion of the story is lost
It is only lost because the movie industry relies on many tricks that don't work at high framerates and because people literally got used to it.
If you were to give highframerate movies a couple decades they'd just take over and become the new normal

>>62460425
> give highframerate movies a couple decades
and go bankrupt in the process

>>62459423
I even lock my gaymes to 30fps when it's possible. Silky smoth plus nice motion blur effects, plus vsync equals true cinematic gaming experience.

>>62460113
Do you watch movies in 360p too?

>>62460425
There's no motivation to switch though. The majority of people don't care and the extra storage space allows for meme resolutions.

Going for low FPS or low resolution is the same lunacy audiophiles have with vinyl.

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>>62460425
I don't know of any pre-recorded TV program with payed actors that use more than 24fps. Whether it be comedy, drama, scifi, or whatever. Whatever tricks you think 24fps hides certainly should not apply to every genre. And cameras are so cheap now days that 60fps and higher for 1080p content should be nothing, and the cameras that they use probably already support above 24fps.

The deranged lunatics that prefer low FPS, they're like saying playing a traditional violin to a high fidelity recording is worse than using shitty technology from the 50s.

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why the hell don't """tech""" tubers all use 60fps? there's literally no excuse not to.

and it's not like they use 24fps either for muh arts, it's fucking 30fps like linus shill tips

>>62460436
>yeah every innovation has led to the bankruption of multi million dollar industries
i bet people like you have said the same when they wanted to get colour into the movie industry
>>62460532
>Whatever tricks you think 24fps hides certainly should not apply to every genre
motion blur does actually apply to every genre that has any reasonable reliance on movement
at higher framerates the motion blur gets obviously weaker which leads to the dreaded soap opera effect

>>62460782
60 fps means double the frames to upload
mr linux /g/ tips uploads at 4k and i am certain not even he sees a reason to double the framerate because the techilliterate audience probably doesn't care

>>62459569
Me too. =)

>>62460436
That didn't stop them from trying color, higher resolutions, surround sound and 3d.

>>62459423
only people who know absolutely nothing about life go higher than 24 fps.

placebo everywhere. you're all jewed.

>>62460527
The main reason people like vinyl is because the music is less compressed than digital. (Read about the loudness war) The problem is the music producers not the format, some notable examples were Deafheaven - Sunbather where the vinyl version sounded leagues better than the CD version.

>>62460262
this
based PAL

>>62460782
>pays hundreds of thousands of dollars for video equipment
>can't into color correction
>can't into 60fps
>can't into audio
Their video editors are awful considering how much money the show makes.

>>62460786
>sope opera effect
Yup, which is why it is still 24fps. But porn has certainly jumped at 60fps as it does not really apply to them.

>>62460894
>producers
>what is mastering

off yourself scum

>>62460532
I'm pretty sure most TV shows are still 30fps in the US because of the ATSC standard, recording in 24fps only to upscale to 30fps seems like a waste of time and money.

>>62460982
>upscale
>fps

>>62459423
things that must be in 60FPS
>sportscast
>porn

>>62460786
>at higher framerates the motion blur gets obviously weaker which leads to the dreaded soap opera effect
Doesn't that have to do with shutter speed? The faster the recorded framerate, the less time each frame is recorded. I remember seeing a Youtube video where someone recorded a 24fps video but the time the shutter was open was so short it looked like a slideshow.

>>62460848
You should watch toy story or finding nemo at 48 or 60fps. Shit looks weird. Like some kind of saturday morning kids CGI show.

>>62461032
>you should watch movie x with feature y artificially added to it it looks weird
wow you are a genius aren't you?
It's like you have to actually make a movie with the feature in mind

>>62460982
1080i broadcast is 59.94 fields per second. Which is either field matched to 23.976fps or deinterlaced to 59.94 fps. Fps (frames) is not the same as fields per second.

720p is broadcasted at a flat 59.94fps. With no further processing.
.
And 480p which i wont get into.

So atsc certainly is not the bottleneck.

>>62461032

except they were never produced at that framerate you idiot

>>62460262
Most scart was just carring composite. True rgb signals were rare.

>>62461137
Toy story has been rerended a few times. Its just a fucking computer file. The original render of toy story was sub1080p in 95, which people saw in theater. It even has a 3d version now days.

>>62459484
60fps is good for porn due to have fast tits / cum moves

>>62461279
How* fast

>>62461159
SCART can carry anything, composite, S-Video, RGB. The cables always allowed all of them, so do TVs that are newer than the mid 80's.
But yes, mostly it was just composite, as you didn't need better for VHS that literally had a composite signal on it.

My PSX used RGB however, so did my first DVD player. Also used RGB over SCART for my Amiga.