/pcbg/ - PC Building general

>>62437414
asked in /sqt/

best x399 mobo? looking at the aorus/gigabyte or the msi.

reposting question from previous thread:
got a few questions about cases. currently using an NZXT source 210 elite along with an overclocked AMD [email protected]. im sure you can imagine that it runs hot as fuck. the actual package temp is fine under a corsair h90, but the socket temperature i was having issues.
during stress tests, the socket temp would skyrocket to 70c+ in mere seconds. i looked all over online and found a few people saying that its a flaw with the case; that hot air gets trapped behind the back panel where the cpu socket is exposed and quickly heats it up.
i removed the back panel, put a small fan on the cpu socket and tried to seal the open areas as best as i could. it completely fixed my socket temperatures, dropping them by 15-20c.

im wondering if that was the actual problem(hot air getting trapped) or if this overclocked chip just ran that hot and needed a fan on the back?
im wondering because my ryzen build is nearly complete and i dont know if i should purchase a new case or not. my corsair h90 actually does NOT fit in the 210 elite; its askew and i cant mount a fan directly to the radiator; i had to put it on the outside of the case on top. cant fit the 2nd fan at all.
this is the case i was considering buying: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854003

i know its full tower and huge, but i want to be absolutely sure that the radiator fits. anyone have or know if this case is good, any weird problems with it, stuff like that?

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>>62437414
Please help me guys
Should I buy a 970 or a 3gb 1060?

>>62437468
6gb 1060

I have a X4-860K. Do I overclock or upgrade?

>>62437474
>>62437468
disregard this man
buy a 980

>>62437468
970, you can still sli later if you want, unlike the 1060

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what comes after Ryzen? looking at upgrading in the next 3-4 months, I heard a refresh is coming on the same socket sometime in 2018, is that true? worth holding out or will it be nothing special (i.e. just 5-10% improvement)

>>62437468
Why not fork out the extra for a 6gb?

>>62437485
upgrade to newer stuff

>>62437502
Zen2 soon™
Coffee Lake soon™

>>62437502
zen 2/zen+ comes after ryzen, whatever they end up calling it. unlike intel, this is the first improvement to the zen arch, so its gonna be more like going from a first gen core processor to a second gen, aka the best generation of processors in the last 10 years. beyond that, if the node they're using is anything like it's specs suggest, we're looking at huge boosts in clockspeed provided the zen arch can handle it. So think 10-15% improvements in ipc, putting them firmly ahead of intel core/core clock/clock, and another 25-30% clockspeed
pretty massive jump there, also potentially 12c/24t 65-95w mainstream parts, depending on if they up the ccx to 6 instead of 4. all on the am4 socket, which you'll have if you go zen now

anybody remember the am4 motherboard that is compatible with old am3 sockets?

>>62437486
>>62437507
Sadly I don't have the budget for nothing above 200 usd

I was going to buy a single 1080ti but 1080 sli is only $150 more, should I do it?

>>62437589
get the 1080 ti

then buy another 1080ti when 2080ti releases

>>62437468
>>62437575
Used 980 would then be better if you can find one.

Best mid or full case under 100?

>>62437559
>all on the am4 socket
nice, perhaps ill go r3 1200 for now and a nice am4 board and then upgrade again when ryzen 2 drops...that's a really nice upgrade path

>>62437600
ty

Asked in /sqt/ too.

My monitor stopped turning on. It black screened in the middle of a game but I could still hear the game fine. I think it's a gpu driver issue after light googling but I'm not sure. How would I update it if I can't see anything?

Gpu- amd rx 580
Cpu- ryzen 5 1600
Win10

>>62437611
https://www.amazon.com/S340VR-Elite-Computer-Matte-CA-S340W-B3/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504612778&sr=8-1&keywords=NZXT+-+S340+Elite+%28Black%29+ATX+Mid+Tower+Case

>>62437614
its supported through 2021 at least, so you'll get zen 3 as well, and maybe another release or 2
pay a bit more for a mobo now and have it for 4 years, sounds cool to me

>>62437575
It could be worse, I have a poorfag 1050ti.

6gb 1060s are $400 here

>>62437589
Single powerful card is always better than two weaker cards and with SLI you're just gonna have so much headache trying to get things to work with it. Even Nvidia has given up on it.

>>62437559
>and you can keep the same mobo
>unlike intel
>LGA1151v2
top kek

>>62437673
ok ty

>>62437673
>Even Nvidia has given up on it.
not necessarily.
The reason for SLI and Crossfire not being as well utilized these days is because of Microsoft, specifically the new DirectX12 API. DX12 (and the Chronos Groups Vulkan API) gives the game developers almost complete control over resource distribution during games. All previous APIs handled that for developers, taking it out of their control. Now the game developers are in control. And for better or worse, this means THEY have to code in support for Crossfire and SLi into the game. It's no longer up to nvidia or AMD to put support into the drivers.

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what's the best 1080ti?

>>62437747
The one you didn't buy

>>62437747
rog strix
kingpin
custom waterblock

does it matter what you have on an AMD board as long as its DDR4?

>>62437870
Not sure what your question is about
Sockets like TR4/AM4 uses DDR4
Older ones use DDR3 and older

>>62437870
What RAM?
If you can afford it, get a 2x16 kit at 3200MHz.
Be sure to check QVL on your board otherwise it may run at slower speeds.

>>62438000
Sorry, 2x8, not 2x16.

>>62437747
Value, noise, or performance?

>>62437747
MSI

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Currently using a GTX 745. Should I plug in my HD 6870 instead, buy that R7 360 for $40, or save my cash for a 1060 whenever one goes on sale?

Should I try the 1440p 144hz IPS lottery? Is it worth the potential misery if I get a fucked panel?

>>62438025
noise and performance

>>62438126
All you have to do is RMA right?
A pain but you will get there eventually.

>>62438000

F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR

righto, i think its compatible. see link below. not sure how important it is to have the 14Q over the 16Q

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON#support-mem-2

>>62438086
that pool water is awfully murky

>>62438341
They put in a lot of Jell-O mix

>>62438297
That site isn't working well for me
That RAM is 4x8 though; get a 2x8 unless you know you need more

>>62437673
>>62437744
NVIDIA still is cool with two-way, but 3 or 4-way is a fucking joke.

>>62437571
I think it's the Asus crosshair vi or something along those lines

>>62437747

All are basically the same, except maybe for the Kingpin as it's a Tier 1 silicone Bin and has an Overclock guarantee. MSI armor edition is the only one to avoid since it thermal throttles.

nope

>>62437459
anyone?
tldr: does the nzxt source 210 elite have a problem with hot air being trapped behind the motherboard(back panel) causing cpu socket temperatures to skyrocket?

>>62438753
>silicone

>>62438797
I have a Source 210 non-elite and my 4790K idles at like 35C at 4.3 GHz

>>62438849
>I have a Source 210 non-elite and my 4790K idles at like 35C at 4.3 GHz
socket temperature? the non elite looks the same but its not the same case, ive no idea the difference between them though.

>>62438873
I somehow doubt the hot air pocket behind the motherboard theory but fuck if I know

https://support.nzxt.com/hc/en-us/articles/202488374-What-is-the-difference-between-the-Source-210-210-Elite-220-

>>62438920
all right, well what about the temperature? is that 35c the socket temperature or the cpu itself?

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>>62438086
I think I'll hold off on the $40 R7 360. Even for $40, $40 is 1/5th the way to a 1060. And the R7 360 can't crush 1080p. It can manage 30FPS, but can't get beyond that.

My next upgrade needs to smash 1080p into paste. Because it'll be a long-lived card until 2160p is viable.

Though I could still buy the R7 360 and then sell it for the $40 down the line when I decide to swap out. But I hate juggling hardware and dealing with people.

anyone can tell anything good about v64 Liquid cooled?
I think even my Titanium 650w PSU is not enough though.
Thinking about it because it got decent cooler and magically costs only 5% more than normal v64 here.

>>62438931
I'm getting pretty much the same temps anywhere I look in HWiNFO64

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Q2DYr
will be used for video editing, virtualization, and music recording. drives will all be in some form of software raid (0 for the nvme, 10 for the ssd, 10 for the hdd)

>>62437459
not related to your case but there's a lot of documentation on the socket temps effecting overclocking on the 8350. some older antec cases had support for a fan behind the socket, obviously there arent cases with that anymore. You could try getting something like a slipstream a nice thin fan and just cutting a hole on the back, then getting a fan grill for the back
when i had airflow across the back of my socket on my 8350 it let me hit 4.9 as opposed to 4.8, ymmv

>>62437495
>sli
>in this day and age

>>62439492
you know, a lot of people that shit on sli have never used it. ive used cfx and sli, and while sli isnt perfect it's pretty damn nice in most cases, and beyond that you can pick up a 970 off ebay for around 150-160 if you're patient, and thats a huge performance upgrade for the money

>>62439442
Looks neat. You might wanna switch out the case for something better. Maybe something Fractal.

Also, change the mobo to something ASUS or Gigabyte.

>>62439442
>>62439772
Also, Founder's cards are gonna be as hot as you allow them to be. I'd suggest picking up something cooler, maybe a Black OC or a Duke OC card.

>>62439475
thanks for the input. like i said, i solved the temperature problem for the FX8350 with a fan on the back, directly on the cpu socket.
im asking if its an inherit problem with the case now because i am building and nearly done with a ryzen build. so basically im trying to decide if i should buy a better case with less/no airflow problems that can also fit my h90 radiator.
or if i should stick to my current case and risk high thermals on ryzen because of the same issues. i could of course solve them the same way im doing now(assuming ryzen runs cooler when OCd than an FX chip, and im pretty sure they do), but its pretty inconvenient; more dust gets in and i have to constantly buy compressed air cans to clean it and i have a very nice 140mm fan sitting around totally useless because it does not fit anywhere in my case, let alone near the radiator it was meant for.

>>62439772
isnt the asrock taichi one of the best boards for ryzen? or is it only ryzen 3/5/7 and not threadripper?
or am i simply misinformed and there are better boards? if so, is it a big difference? i bought an x370 taichi for my ryzen 5 1600x build and i plan to overclock both ram and cpu as far as possible. i saw it is also a 12+4power phase board so it seems pretty solid for overclocking and in general.

>>62439893
I just don't like Asrock as a company, or most of their boards. If you feel like you've been informed well then go with what you think is best.

>>62439893
Taichi is the only x370 board from Asrock worth getting.

Most people would tell you to go Asus Crosshair VI Hero though.

I've been doing research on the x370 boards and it seems like all the budget ones have issues why is the AM4 platform so bad if you use a lot of drives? B350 shares too many lanes with other shit so you only have 4 sata when you use NVME, all the budget x370 boards got issues. Most of the AM4 boards got hot VRM issues, and the high end good x370 boards approach HEDT prices.

Asrock Taichi sells for more than a 1600X here for god knows what reason.

Will Ryzen 3 work on a simple B350 board too or will they jew their way around that with new chipsets?

>>62440566
RYzen 3 is already out and works fine with A320, B350, and X370 chipsets. though why you'd stick one in an X370 board is beyond me

>>62440566
Of course it works. All the chips are unlocked so you don't need arbitrary K or X marking to overclock and you don't need expensive motherboard either to overclock as all B350 and X370 are capable of it. Only A320 is locked but why the hell would you buy that.

Going to start my build today, here's quick checklist I've gathered from watching build guides

1. Prepare motherboard by putting in CPU and cooler and RAM
2. Prepare case, put in standoffs if needed
3. Put in IO shield
4. Mount motherboard
5. Mount SSD / Harddrive / Optical
6. Mount power supply
7. Connect everything up
8. Put in GPU and plug that in

am I missing something? The only fear I have is when I have to connect everything through cables, little worried about that

>>62440657
assemble everything on the motherboard box first, outside the case, and make sure it boots, just in case you have to RMA anything immediately.
After a successful bot test, unattach all the PU wires, take out the GPU, and install everything in the case.
Makes it easier rather than trying to troubleshoot shit in the case

>>62440711
how do i even power it on without the case power button

im a pcbuildlet and a brainlet

>>62440637
>>62440640
No no, i don't mean the current Ryzen 3 4core CPU but the third generation of the Zen architecture, the ones in 7nm+ which will come out 2020 or so.
I wonder if they will really let those future CPUs run on "simple" current AM4 mainboards or still introduce things like AM4+.

>>62440657
Mount GPU and run all the appropriate wires to where you want to connect them. Because after you mount your motherboard some of these wires can be extremely tricky to get into place (like the 4 pin CPU connecter which is supposed to come out from the top of your motherboard).

Make sure you are grounded and don't work on carpeted surfaces.

>>62440733
Tap a screw driver and bidge the connectors where you'd plug in the case power button

>>62440733
If you have a fancy motherboard, it should come with a power button on the mobo itself.

Otherwise, read the manual and then use a screwdriver to jump the 2 connects where your case power button is supposed to go.

>>62440753
>Make sure you are grounded
how do i do this?

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>>62440768
buy an anti-static wristband, put it on your angle and connect that to a piece of grounded metal.

I'm waiting for raven ridge since a long while now... all I want is an ITX box with a nice integrated GPU

should I continue waiting or get something else?

RAVEN RIDGE
WHEN
WHEN
WHEN

>>62440768
Work barefooted on wooden ground
Work on a wooden bench
Work in contact with something grounded
Or anti static wristband

>>62440809
>not building your pc naked

1060 6gb or pay an extra $20 for an RX580?

I already bought my r5 1600 and will be gaymin with 1080p 60hz

>>62441000
>paying extra for an RX580

no, unless its cheaper, and prices are fucked for the 580s right now, the 1060 is slightly better and has less power consumption

the 580 used to be a good deal when it was cheaper, but paying more is not smart

>>62441000
rx580 only if freesync

>>62440804
2018

>>62440738
With the 4+3 phase VRM AM4 motherboards hitting 90C+ with 6 core CPUs on a mild overclock, you might get the same problem when AMD introduced the FX9000 series they fit in the socket, but the power delivery wasn't beefy enough to drive them.

Makes me really wonder if I should spring for a good X370 board and 1700x, but then if DDR5 gets mainstream by the time I want to upgrade I'd be screwed.

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I'm considering getting an SSD soon for my desktop, but I'm not sure if I should migrate everything on my hard drive to my SSD manually by reinstalling the OS and move files over, or if I should just clone the hard drive and migrate using third party software.

>>62441122
i cloned my OS partition and had no issues at all

>>62441151
Ive heard this can give you issues over time, tho.

A bit over 500 burgers, y/n?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xgkZpb

>>62441160
1.5 years now and still no issues at all. only reddit thinks it's bad because most of them are tech illiterates pretending to know stuff because they watch linus.

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just arrived

how did i do lads

is this the best sub $700 vidya rig or what namsayin

>>62441207
usage? if it's for gayming i'd switch to 8gb 3000mhz ram and get 1050ti instead

>>62441305
i have the same exact box for the 1060

why no ryzen?

>>62441336
G3930 is about 40 eurobucks

>>62441305
Are you fucking retarded

>>62441305
>GTX1070
>El-cheapo LC-Power PSU
Enjoy the fireworks

>>62441305
>buying a GPU that cost twice as all your other components put together
>>62441348
It's that cheap because it's garbage, you'll be CPU bound on pretty much anything, assuming that cheapo PSU doesn't burn everything down right away.

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Put some PSU calculator in the OP next time like this one:
http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/

Heard something about the Sapphire RX 580 sounding like a turbine engine and heating a tad too much, does anyone have firsthand experience?

>>62441625
From my experience with AMD it's an understatement

Ryzen 7 1800x
Crosshair 6 extreme
3200mhz flare X 32gb
Vega 64 liquid cooled

or

Ryzen 5 1600
Asus 370 pro
3200 mhz flare x 16gb
Vega 56

???

>>62441724
r5 1600x
Asus X370 Prime
v56 AIB and 16Gb RAM.

>>62441724
You should do some reading on the threads and reviews of the low end x370 boards, and then you'll go buy the C6Hero

>>62441724
If you watercool the Vega56 it will give the same performance as the liquid cooled Vega64.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G8bmtJ
Going to be used for gaming and some light photo editing. Trying to hit most games around 60hz @ 1440p. Looking to go cheaper if possible

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im working on my r5 case now, i have some questions

I have an mATX board

Red rings: Standoffs for mATX
Yellow rings: Still says M, i've put inside these also, that is correct?
Blue ring: There's a pin in the middle, I just keep it there right?

Is Ultrawide a meme?
Seems like the 1080 ti struggles to hit 144hz at 1440p in the newer games, so 2560x1080 seems like a sweet spot for the card. Any opinions?

>>62442451
Above 140 fps*

>>62442379
>60hz @ 1440p
that monitor is 4k. 1440p = 2560x1440

>>62442379
also don't get that hdd model. it's the old one with very high failure rates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST3000DM001

>>62442386
Leave the pin. It takes the place of one of the standoffs and holds the motherboard in place.

Might be a stupid question but is there any point in paying more for ram if both are 3200mhz? I was looking for the cheapest one, but it made me think that some sticks are even up to $50 more expensive.

>>62442585
it is correct to use the two yellow ones right? they seem placed odd, but that makes 8 screws total which was in the box

>>62442683
hold the motherboard up to it and fiture our which one lines up with the hole

>>62442681
If you're buying ram for Ryzen, Ryzen is very very picky with ram.

Most people will never get 3200 with multiple 16GB dimms

>>62442767
I checked my motherboard support on msi website and they say it supports that exact ram at 3200mhz. So that's why I'm asking should I just buy the cheapest one that's supported or is it worth it anyway to spend a bit more. I guess at worst it should work at 3000mhz right?

>>62442805
at worst it won't boot at all.
at minimum, it'll work at 2133 mhz

>>62442833
Then I'll just return it.

>>62442833
why wouldnt it work at those speeds if it says so on the mobo website

HAVIT RGB
1STPLAYER STEAMPUNK
Corsair K55
Redragon K551 VARA

???
I was going to ask at /mkg/ but they would laugh at me for this poverty

Been using my coolermaster 1kw silent pro for 7 years

It's rated for 100000 hours but I'm getting paranoid as my last GPU died for unknown power related reason

Should I switch? And which PSUs are good right now? (running a shitton of fans + sata, 4790k OC + 1080ti OC)

>>62442900
because Ryzen.

>aircooling
>watercooling

What is better for silent systems? While keeping decent temps obviously.

>>62443223
Temps wise, unless you're getting the top end any Noctua Air cooler can match/beat the mid and low range liquid coolers.
In terms of noise, it really depends on which one you go with, e.g. BeSIlent Rock 2 is obviously going to be quieter than a Hyper 212 Evo. Same goes for their Liquid coolers as well. However, if you are tempted to go for a non-quiet liquid cooler a good silent case always mitigates it anyway.
tl;dr Noise varies from brand to brand. Temps are normally better when you have a liquid cooler with the exception of Noctua.

>>62443038
I actually have a question relating to that. Is there any way to actively monitor the PSU's output to detect and alert you to irregularities?

Has nobody thought of that for computer power supplies?

>>62443315

Well you're only confirming my suspicion that going with a Noctua cooler might be the best option for what I want.

>>62443361
For Perf/Price Noctua is probably the best with probably only the hyper 212 evo being better. However, if you have a high budget than a high tier water cooler may only be a little noisy, while giving you more than necessary temps.
Are you Overclocking, because if you're not there's no reason to even buy Noctua or liquid coolers

help! im trying to mount the wraith spire cooler, but the screws wont fucking reach, there are springs in the way

do i just push hard or wtf is going on

>>62443388
IIRC the Cryorig H7 beats the Hyper 212 Evo across the board.

>>62443517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMcd4eO9D4o

>>62443517
ok ok, it seemed to work now, it just sounded horrible when i screwed it in

Is the wraith spire cooler any good? If i OC my 1700 to 3.7 will it give good temps or do i need to buy a H7?

>>62443706
You should be fine with that overclock on the stock cooler.

how do i fit the mobo inside the IO shield

do i have to bend some of the little metal flaps on the io ??

>>62443726
Thanks.

I'm looking at getting a 1070. What's a good model to go with?

can i build something if im a povertyfag? i just want to play something past tf2 :(

>>62443753
alright i got it working

my mobo apparently only takes 5 screws, is that cool?

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i did a dumb, /g/

was looking for the AM4 adapter for my Evo 212 last week, and thought (for some stupid reason) that only the EU site was giving them out for free

realized my mistake this morning, and now I have two of the damn things coming, one from the US and another from across the pond

christ

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>>62444151
Did you get the rectangular adaptor or the new X mount?

>>62444151
I was in a chat last night talking about trying to tactically shift money to maximize my value on a budget build and someone randomly decided to buy me a video card. I felt like shit.

>>62444183
X mount, thankfully I realized that the rectangular one was out of date

>>62444192
i understand your guilt, just try to be thankful I guess

>>62443388

>Are you Overclocking

I'm undecided. My plan is to build a new rig based around a coffee lake cpu in the following months with silence being the key issue next to that of performance. I'm not even planing on getting an HDD because of that.
I realize a high end cooler might be considered a waste if not overclocking but I do think there's some value to keeping temps low even if just for CPU health's sake. Also a Noctua is bound to be more reliable and less noisy than a cheaper alternative.
Alternatively I could just get an i3 like the 8350k and not care about temps at all and replace it in like 2-3 years.
I guess I'm pretty much indecisive.

>>62444253
That's good, a lot of people are still getting the old rectangle mounts that make the cooler go top down.

I got my mounts and everything, decided on the 1700x, but stuck on whether to get the Prime X370-Pro, or spluge on the x370 Taichi.

Afraid that 2020 comes along and DDR5 PCIE4 AM4+ rolls out.

can i get a used office pc from ebay with like an i5 and 8g ram and stick a graphics card in there? will i need a new motherboard?

>>62437446
no one?

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>>62444738

I have a retarded question
What way are the fans blowing in the Kraken x62? Are they sucking air into the radiator or blowing it out? and can they be flipped around? need to know so I can plan my push-pull config

>>62444921
The fans blow any way you mount them.
Usually people have it blowing air through the radiator right out the case.

How do you ever upgrade your cpu on budget? It seems like clocked fx6100 is bottlenecking my 3gb 1060 I bought for 150$; getting new mobo, ram and cpu itself is like 300$ minimum.

>>62445185
Your cheapest route would be a used FX8350

Next would be R3 1200, cheapest B350 board, and 1 stick of ram.

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>costs $200 more (cpu+cooler+mobo)
>only 5% better on average in 1080p, even less in 1440p and above
>loses in productivity
>uses more power
>already on a dead platform
so this is the power of intel... woah...

>>62445221
Not changing sockets barely accomplishes anything and yeah, decent mobo and ram + r3 is about 250-300$. Not sure if R3 woud be much of an improvement too.

Is Ryzen really better for streaming, or is that a meme? Is the more cores thing actually real this time, or is it another Q6600 situation where nothing utilizes them and they're improperly rigged?

nvidia
msi
strix
aorus

which 1080ti lads

>>62445734
the one that looks like a penis gives better overclocks

>>62445257
Sour grapes.jpg

>>62445754
so nvidia?

>>62445829
I heard using your cum as thermal paste for ur card gives better heats too.

>>62445846
nvidia with cum thermal paste it is
thanks guy

>>62445861
get either strix or aorus. they have the best thermals and low noise level. strix has better build quality for its higher price

ya idiot lol

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All FE 1080 ti are out of stock because of minefags. I want to play games at 1440/144, should I just get a 1080 FE or wait for ti's to come back in stock. When should they be back stock?

Inb4
>FE

I'm building a sff PC

finally got the last of my parts. shame I can't build till Monday. gonna be a slow weekend

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How'd I do? right is what I'm currently running.
Can anyone recommend a good 1080p monitor? Not sure if I should go for 24" or 27"

can i connect multiple shit through these SATA cables?

for example fan controls and SSD, does it matter?

im having trouble with all the cables and stuff

>>62446092
If you want 144hz TN without gsync the VG248QE is good.
Also id left is what you plan to buy Ryzen doesn't suppirt DDR3

>>62446092
>ryzen
>DDR3

what mobo you going to pick?

>>62440222
what are the benefits of that motherboard over the x370 taichi? looks mostly the same, except the asus board is 8+4 phases and $50 more expensive.
is it just generally higher quality materials or something?

>>62446154
>the VG248QE is good.
no it's not good. in fact it's one of the worst 144hz tn monitors.

Going to be building a new i7 8700k pc
should I wait for them to launch or start getting the other parts right now?
Also, 16gb or 32 for ram?

>>62446283
Who spit in your drink?

>>62446291
32GB if you intend to do serious productivity work.

16 GB for gaming

>>62446296
no one? it's an overpriced piece of trash from 2013, there are better monitors available.

What's the cheapest non-shit case with decent airflow? Appearance means nothing to me. Currently I'm looking at this for it's three fans and allegedly good build quality/cable management.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BV31QU8/?tag=pcpapi-20

>>62446232
Asus has much better software, whether it's aura sync or 5 way optimization for one click system-wide overclocking, W_in/out, W_flow headers for custom water cooling, better DAC/ amp better NEXFET mosfets and other components.

>>62446194
The Ryzen I was looking at comes with a GA-AB350 mobo for an extra $100

What is the best budget x370 mobo for 1700?

>>62446422
i dont use software to overclock(besides the GPU), thats generally not a good idea; should be done through the BIOS.
would you say those higher quality materials are worth an extra $50 over an x370 tacihi in your opinion?

>>62446491
C6H is $234.99 on newegg and amazon while the taichi is $199.99 on newegg and $214 on amazon

C6H comes with EverSpace if you get it from newegg.

As for my opinion, I'd go with Asus because Asrock EOLed the Gaming K4 2~3 months after launch which makes me wonder if they keep the Taichi around long enough to give it the bios updates it will need for future processors.

>>62446454
msi x370 sli plus. It's like 120.

>>62446454
asus prime x370 pro
it has good VRMs, good audio (ALC1220 insted of the shit 887/892), intel gigabit ethernet (not the realtek garbage), M.2 slot above the GPU so it doesn't get too hot, lots of fan ports

Any recommendations on case fans?

>>62439620
SLI tends only to have issues in older games that wouldn't benefit from extra GPU horsepower anyway.

Even indie games without SLI profiles scale quite well with SLI. I did have quite a lot more trouble with CrossfireX, but I haven't run it since 2012 and suspect it's improved quite a bit since then.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JRs4zM

I mainly plan on gaming with some light music production.
Games I plan on playing:
CK2/HOI4/EU4/Stellaris
M&B
Total War
Few other none AAA+ titles (Not interested in PUBG/Overwatch/etc.)

I don't really care about maxing out graphics either. Is this overkill?

>>62447108
Strategy games like those are the type of games that actually like more cores, and the R5 1600 is just 40$ more. Don't buy a single RAM, buy two for dual channel and try to get the highest speed ones you can, ideally 3200. Get an SSD.

>>62437446
Anandtech just published a short info on all of them. You're not doing anything wrong with any of them, choose by featureset.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVpKwV
What you boys think? Some of this stuff I already have, and I got that mobo for cheap. Mostly for 1440p 144hz gaming and some editing. Should I go SLI and opt for some cheaper cards?

>>62439620
>recommend the 3.5GB meme card
>recommend SLI of two old cards instead of a single, new one that's stronger
Its like you are aiming to provide the worst possible solution

>>62440784
>not just touching ground in your outlet
Pleb

>>62445537
Consoles are the new lead platform because devs make >70% of their money there. And current consoles are pretty much normal PCs with 8 weak ass x86 cores. Allmost all big engines can already scale reasonably well to >8 threads and it will only get better.

As for streaming, if you let the CPU do the work ryzen really shines. If you're satisfied with worse compression (worse quality) just let Nvenc, VCE or Quicksync do the work without any performance impact. Also who the fuck streams...

>>62446148
What? You can use all the connectors your PSU offers if that's what you're asking.

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>Next-gen Intel processors need to be delidded to gain acceptable performance

This is by design. It's time to stop giving Intel a pussy pass and deal with their bullshit directly.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
Only ever used stock heatsinks so I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing. Is this one good? I'm liking the sound of it by the reviews. It's gonna be for my 1600X.

>>62447701
It's probably around the same level as the stock cooler included with the 1600 non x.

>>62447746
That doesn't sound so bad. Are there any others which you'd recommend which aren't too expensive? I don't really want to spend more than $50-60 on one.

>>62447812
just get the 1600 with the stock cooler, its really decent. If you want a cooler with more performance while being silent i'd get something like the alpenfoehn brocken

>POS 4790K can't do 4.4 GHz @ 1.2 volts
>Do something like 4.3 GHz at 1.175 volts instead
>Idle temps are like 43-45C idle on a Hyper 212 Evo with Arctic Cooling MX 2 paste applied two years ago
>PC recently cleaned of dust

Is this too hot? HWinfoview makes me feel like I need to reapply the TIM or take the overclock off

I need to check my load temps

>>62447885
Alrighty, thanks anon.

>>62447926
while those temps aren't great, who gives a shit about idle temps? As long as it doesn't cook itself under load you're fine. Reapplying thermal paste might be worth it, at least on my GPU it dries out so i have to change it~once a year

Are 4TB HDDs prone to shitting themselves? It's just everyone recommends a 1TB, but the 4TB are only ~£20 more.

>>62448115
I would go with a safer config of 2-2 instead of loading all my shit on one harddrive and lose it all if it fails.
Assuming you have the case-space enough for it

>>62448169
>I would go with a safer config of 2-2 instead of loading all my shit on one harddrive and lose it all if it fails.

That's what I was thinking. I think there's space for four, and one SSD and three 1TB HDDs will be more than enough for me. I was just curious if there was a reason people don't recommend anything higher.

>>62448214
because most people don't need that much space i assume

>I7 7700K with kraken x62
>GTX 1080Ti MSI
>32gb DDR4 3000Mhz Corsair vengeance
>evga 750 gold+ psu
>MSI Z270 M7
>thermaltake view 31 case
>6x 120mm nzxt fans
>samsung evo 500 gb ssd
>seagate 2tb hdd

looks good niggas? should I put my foot down?
will the psu support all that?
>>62448214
nigga no one uses that much space

>>62448315
Too much RAM

will the 212 EVO be enough to cool a 7700K stock? I don't plan on overclocking it yet. Also, will changing mobo's/chipsets cause windows to not boot, or is that a meme? I forgot, because I haven't done this in years.

>>62448315
MSI? What Card?
>literal meme cooler
do you need 32gb of RAM?
Bad mobo.
Do you need meme NZXT le RGB case fans? Buy some silentwings or noctua.
Get a Western Digital Black instead of Seagate.

>>62448315
to much ram, and buying the 7700K a few weeks before coffeelake is out iis pretty retarded

>>62448369
why would you buy a cooler that you can't overclock with? The stock cooler is enough for stock clocks, so of course you'll be fine.

Windows will boot on a completly different system

>>62448408
I'm currently using the 212 on my current CPU, so I'd figured I could avoid spending some dosh for now. I just have the CPU right now because I acquired it solely. What cooler & mobo would you recommend? I don't know much about the 270's.

should I get an ultra wide or 4k monitor?

Ok what's the best v3-4tb hdd for mass storage? One that offers the best value?

I got Vega 56 and every time I play Witcher 3 (at Ultra)it hits 75 and sometimes 85 C. I have the fan set to 3000 RPM. Should I play at lower settings to get lower temps? I get 70fps most of the time.

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I'm thinking of getting an RX 560 on a new PC (yeah I'm a fanboy who'd prefer not to get Nvidia) to tide me over until Vega 11 or Navi 1-2 years later for reasonable prices unlike the RX 570 and RX 580 now but it seems stupid to compromise now and put my hopes on an uncertain future, especially since RTG will probably keep messing up. I really wouldn't want to get a 1050Ti though even if it's the logical choice.

>>62448315
>>62448384
buying intel in 2017 is retarded

>>62448694
buy second hand nvidia
you're not giving them anymore money and you get a card which might be better than a 560 (970, 980)

>>62448377
the normal GTX 1080Ti
>literal meme cooler
>one of the best AIOs

>32gb ram
I just thought since I'm going all out I should pour as much ram as possible

>bad mobo
why?

>wdb
done

>>62448384
That will probably mean more processor budget + bigger cpu cooler, which will shoot up my budget

>>62448694
If you get the 560, it'll only reinforce your behavior, which will only make it that much harder to switch in the future. AMDfags have been cucked for the next few years. Become an idort, get the 1050ti, and break the habit. Then you can be truly free

>>62448741
probably. We don't know yet. What we do know for sure is that intel isn't offering 6 cores on the mainstream platform now out of benevolence.

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>>62448741
Look at the picture I posted. Buy Ryzen.

Your retarded. What is a "normal" gtx 1080 ti? Is it Duke OC? It is Founders? I need an actual name.

>it's water
>price =/= best
I promise you that if you buy something Noctua for half the price it'll perform equivalent if not better.

>I just thought since I'm going all out I should pour as much ram as possible
Why? You only need 16gb unless your doing something incredibly resource intensive, which, judging by your CPU, your not.

If you insist on going for Intel, get this Mobo instead: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2Phj4D/asus-strix-z270-e-gaming-atx-lga1151-motherboard-strix-z270-e-gaming

>>62447108
Considering those games, you could probably downgrade the graphics card. Perhaps a 1050ti is a better match? The money you save on that can be put towards an SSD.

about to pull the trigger on a optiplex 7010 i5-3570 4 x 2gb ram. For 80 dollars
No hdd and the hdd tray is missing. Guess i can just tape a ssd to the side or something.

Christ I can't get a POST.

Specs:
Ryzen 1600
MSI B350M Gaming Pro
Asus Dual 1060
Corsair Vengeance 3200
Seasonic 550w

The Mobo has four LED lights, the so called "EZ Led Debug" system, which indicates errors.

After getting the three lower lights lit, "DRAM error", VGA and Boot device. I tried fiddeling with the RAM, changing it around, and I finally found a configuration that gives me no lights, but no post either.

I dont know what to do, I've checked that everything should be plugged in, but for some reason I cannot turn off the PC by holding down the power button, the case is an R5 (there's no LED light in the front either)

1: Should I be able to hold down the power button and turn it off via that? Did I fuck up with the wiring?

2: Can fucked up wiring (LED, Power, Reset Switch) fuck with general booting?

>>62449418
The 2nd one.

>>62449433
But the power buttons works for ON, i just can't turn it off by holding it down, so I have to flip the PSU switch or it wont turn off

The power pin connector has no +/- so im not sure why it doesnt work

I get no LED lights in the front at all, so im not sure if I messed that up, I think I did it accordingly to the manual.

>>62449481
Double check. Make sure your monitor is plugged in nicely. Make sure that every header is plugged into the mobo snuggly.

>>62449525
I will try tomorrow, I've been building for the past 6 hours

I don't get how if I try with one of the ram sticks, in one of the slots, I get blarring LED lights warning for everything except the CPU, then I try the other stick, in another port (there are only two ram slots) and I get no warnings at all, but unfortunately no boot either.

>>62449481
>The power pin connector has no +/- so im not sure why it doesnt work
Polarity doesn't matter. Pressing the switch shorts the two pins out.

>I get no LED lights in the front at all
Fucked up wiring, fucked up LEDs or fucked up mainboard. Check polarity, here it matters. The triangle on the connector indicates positive.

None of that should prevent your PC from POSTing though.

>>62449583
> fucked up mainboard

It's giving me all these warnings via the LEDs though? So I'm not sure if the RAM are busted or the Mobo is busted.

You're sure bad wiring should not prevent POST? Fans are spinning, Power button works, but no LED in the front.

Everyone says to install the CPU, cooler, ram and video card on the mobo and boot it up just to make sure everything works.
I watched some guy test his, but then he took everything out of the mobo again. Including the cooler that he then had to clean and reapply thermal paste to. Why didn't he just leave it all connected? The video card I can understand because of how unsteady it is, but why everything else?

>>62443348
Corsair i series do that afaik

>>62449624
>So I'm not sure if the RAM are busted or the Mobo is busted.
Only way to tell is trial and error. Test with one DIMM at a time, in both slots, for both DIMMs. Its pretty unlikely that both are dead.

Fucked up wiring will not prevent it from POSTing, as long as you don't short anything out. Can't do that with the LEDs, and not with the power/reset button.

Are you sure its not POSTing and you just simply don't get an image? You connected the monitor to the dedicated GPU i hope?

>>62449688
no reason to do so

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>>62448824
Alright nigger. You sold me
I'm using the edgy gaming x with cool red panels because I'm an edgy gaymur. I'm still getting a high-end water AIO because Ryzen is much hotter as far as I know
But I want an MSI mobo for that clean BIOS interface and the brand. Should I stick with mine? And what about RAM, should I just get one stick of 16gb so I can upgrade in the future? or should I do what everyone does? (split it up across smaller sticks)

>>62449719
>Are you sure its not POSTing and you just simply don't get an image? You connected the monitor to the dedicated GPU i hope?

Yeah I connected it to the GPU, I tried both DVI and HDMI but to no difference.

Neither keyboard nor mouse lights up either on power up, these are connected via USB.

So far I get no warning lights using one particular RAM block, in the rightside slot. If I do anything else, I get blarred down the error LED lights.

[ ] CPU - "indicates CPU is not detected or fail"
[X] DRAM - "indicates DRAM is not detected or fail"
[X] VGA - "indicates GPU is not detected or fail"
[X] BOOT - "indicates booting device is not detected or fail"

from the manual

>>62449764
Thanks, I didn't think there was, but I thought I should check anyway.

>>62449771
Get a set of Black Ripjaws V 2x8 3200. I'm pretty sure that one of those sets is on the QVL of the msi gaming pro carbon, or the PC MATE.
As for the GPU, if your concerned about thermals, Get Gigabyte's Black OC or MSI's Duke OC. Your going to be buying a 4k monitor? or a 1440p 144hz, right? Because using a 1080ti for anything else is useless.

>>62447108
>that RAM
What the fuck are you thinking?

>>62449865
Sorry, I didn't explain why for the RAM. You don't need 32gb. Probably never will. But, a 2x8 kit gives you some room to upgrade.

>>62449771
>because Ryzen is much hotter as far as I know
No? It consumes about the same, and is soldered. Even the fucking stock coolers are fine for it as long as you don't OC to hard, and when OCing you generally hit the clock wall way before temperatures start to limit you. Ryzen CPUs are gleefully easy to cool.

>should I just get one stick of 16gb so I can upgrade in the future?
>should i go for half the bandwidth
no? Just get a board with 4 DIMM slots and upgrade to 4x8 if you ever need more.

>>62449802
that's unfortunate. Nothing but trial and error will solve your problem. But my guess would be a faulty board.

>>62440657
If your cooler is even a little big (if you're wondering if it is then it is), install it after you plug in all the MOBO cables. I had to redo my Noctua because I couldn't get the CPU plug in, ended up fucking my pins and having to rebend them.

>>62449892
Not who you're replying to, but why is it bad?

>>62449771
>>62449865
>>62449915
Also, this. Ryzen is very cool. If your going for the 1700 / 1600, the stock cooler is damn good. You can get to a CONSERVATIVE 3.5 with a stock cooler. If you want to do heavy overclocking, buy something Noctua. Don't fall for the watercooling meme.

>>62449953
>one stick so single-channel
>2400MHz with Ryzen

>>62449971
>tfw my 1800X has never gone hotter than 70°C even under benchmarks or Tripcode Explorer
I'm not even sure it's gone over 60°. I'll probably overclock it eventually.

>>62440784
>>62440809
Static wristbands only if you don't trust yourself.
You don't actually need it if you are smart enough about grounding yourself in other ways.

>>62448824
>Noctua equivalent if not better
Is Noctua that good?

>>62450063
It's pretty damn good, not gonna lie. Only a few degrees lower than the absolute best of the best closed loops.

>>62449984
>tfw got advised to go with one 8gb stick instead of two 4gb
>tfw panic

I hate being a brainlet and hearing conflicting information. Is it better to have 2x4gb 3000mhz rather than 1x8gb at 2400mhz? I assume it is, but like I said

>brainlet

>>62450117
With Ryzen 3000MHz or higher is almost required. Dual channel RAM has twice the bandwidth, so you want dual channel. You need 2x(a number) of 3000MHz or higher, and check your motherboard's compatibility list.

>>62450117
Higher clockspeed with similar timings means more useable bandwidth, and most CPUs like that. Two sticks and a CPU/Board that support Dual channel means twice the bandwidth, and CPUs like that very much.

>>62449915
Im gonna try some more tomorrow, I'm absolutely spent for the night, the wiring was kind of a nightmare when you've never done it before.

Installation went okay, it was just the damn wiring that took forever to do.

I just hope it's a mistake on my end and not an actual hardware flaw, I'm not sure how common those are, it seems people are RMA'ing stuff left right and center.

One thing that throws me off is that the Mobo is giving me these warnings, wouldn't that indicate that it's not the mobo? I could be wrong

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FUCK FRONT PANEL CONNECTORS
FUCK

>>62450117
regardless of the amount of memory and the frequency, it's always better to have two sticks of RAM instead of one.

>>62450180
They are a pain but I hate m.2 screws more

>>62450117
>2x4 gb 3000 mhz rather than 1x8gb at 2400mhz
Yes, all your life.
But still, 8 gb of ram is short, you need at least 16 gb to run things smothly these days
And with ryzen, at least you need 2666, or preferably 3200mhz and 2x8. Again, using only one stick and/or 8 gb these days is kind of short

>>62446354
pls respond

>>62450164
>>62450166
>>62450187
Based thanks a lot guys.

>>62450200
I understand it's short, but I'm on such a limited budget that I don't have any other option atm. I'll upgrade it as soon as I can though. I guess on the other hand I don't need everything to be super ultra settings or anything, if you've seen what I have been using for the last 5 years literally any build to me will be a huge upgrade.
Thanks though, I'll change my list.

>>62450177
a broken trace in the mobo might result in an issue that looks like broken RAM

>>62450568
I just watched a video saying that AMD tends to have nerve wreckingly long first POSTs, so if I get no warnings tomorrow, I'll just try and let it sit for a while

where does one sell a case? I dont want to sell on ebay because of shipping costs and packaging hassles, but I dont think this'll sell on craigslist since it's not a rgb/tempered glass meme machine

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Hello,
This is my build, my budget is about $1500 CAD as I'm in Canada. I already have an SSD, hard drives and case. I'm just replacing my 5 year old PC. I mostly use it for occasional games (ARMA and some MMORPGs) web browsing and schoolwork. I'm mostly looking at longevity as opposed to just meeting my needs. Any suggestions?

>>62451066
Those are pretty much your only options, Ebay, craigslist, kijiji, Maybe you could call up local PC shops and ask if they'll buy it off you?

>>62451066
How much are you trying to sell it for and what case is it?

>>62452046
>NCIX
Just build it yourself you tard.

>>62451066
Couldn't you just have it as pick up only or is that not viable?

>>62451066
just keep relisting it on cl, someone will bite eventually

took me like a month to sell some ram and two months to sell a psu but it was worth not paying shitty ebay fees

>>62452046
>liquid cooling a 1600X
>2133MHz RAM in 2017 (with Ryzen no less)
>back ordered parts

>>62452046
Switch:
1600x to 1600
AIO to air cooler like NH-U12S / D15, Dark Rock Pro 3, Lumi H7. Remember to get AM4 brackets from the manufacturer if they're not included.
Higher speed memory, as close to 3200mhz as you can.

>>62452046
Try to get a gpu with at least dual fans, one fan models are gonna have trouble keeping things cool.

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>>62452148
I am, I just used NCIX as they ship free. I'm not paying them to build it.
>>62452185
Sorry I'm new to this
>>62452240
>>62452257
I've changed some parts around accordingly, perhaps it is better?

ram brainlet back again. I've just checked the mobo specs and it says it only supports up to 2666mhz, but I've seen people say it supports up to 2933mhz after the BIOS update. Is this just case of the specs not being updated on pcp? It's this mobo btw

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus

Computer is dying and nobody can tel what it is. Its either psu or mobo or both. As such im building something new.

Going from 4770k to probably 1700 but maybe 1700x. Realize its a sidegrade but the cores should help with certain things I want to learn (namely blender).

My issue is with mobo and ram.
Asus has always treated me well. Is the ch6 worth the premium over the prime series? Never had a rog mobo before and im currently in a house share so wifi is a must.

Ram. As far as I can tell one of the best kits is the flare x as ryzen benefits from faster ram with diminishing returns after ~3200mhz. My issue is between 16 and 32gigs. Id prefer to have 32 but need help weighing the pros and cons and basically figuring out whats actually a reasonable expectation.

Gpu is a 7970 which I could upgrade but I only casually game lately and it seems to be holding up just fine.

Can anyone help me out?

>>62452153
that could work, ill look into it
>>62452174
i fucking hope so. i really want to change cases but the case i have now isn't too popular, it never really was

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>>62452418
>That GPU price
>That RAM price

Not even yurop is as fucked with prices as moose people. Otherwise it looks fine.

>>62452418
Just use pcpartpicker
The prices will probably be better even with shipping

>>62452949

That's because he bought the parts from NCIX, I'm pretty sure Newegg Canada would be cheaper

I tried overclocking my CPU and not my PC turns on, but doesn't display video. I tried clearing CMOS by moving the jumper and putting it back but still not fixed.
Any advice?

>>62437414
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LtBm9W

did I do good /G/?

>>62453281
Why woyld you get 2 1x8 of 2133 memory? Just get a 2x8 of 3200 so that way you know they work together and it's faster.

>>62453304
its the same model of ram just bought them at different prices. I am now looking for a case. the core v21 looks good but is it any good?

>>62453354
Even if it's the same model it can still have issues.
If you bought it just now take it back and get 3200MHz

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Hey guys I have a 290x and it's showing its age. Should I go get a 1070 or vega 56? or should I wait another year.

Lads
Any tips on installing push-pull with x62?
How am I gonna hook the radiator on my front panel fans? use long screws through the radiator to the fans to the case?

Friend of mine is giving me a few pc parts for a build. He's given me two choices:
GTX 1060 3GB and a 2x8 (16GB) Corsair ram pack
GTX 1060 6GB and a 2x4 (8GB) G Skills Ripjaw ram pack

I already asked if I could just have the 10606GB and 16GB parts but he said no ;_;7. Given that, which choice is better?

>Not having a 500GB SSD
Explain yourselves, poorfags.

I have a 120GB SSD and now it's simply not enough for pretty much anything.
Am I set for another 5 years if I buy a 250GB one to use with the 120GB I already have?

>>62453571
Because my 120gb SSD was bought 5 years ago and it still works.

>>62453571
Because 250gb just werks.

>>62453562
better graphics card > more ram

>>62453562
1060 6gb deal. 16gb ram is nice but you can easily work with 8.

>>62453624
Why not buy a 1tb HDD (or better yet, an 8tb HDD)? SSD is for software, not media

I got an email from AMD (cuz, yes, I'm on their mailing list), and got an email about a gaming PC giveaway.
They claim the prize is worth $9k, but when I priced everything out, it came to $2500/2600.
Am I missing something here?
https://www.gamingtribe.com/giveaway/defiance/?us=Radeon&um=newsletter

Why are all of the ram sticks on Amazon $130+? The fuck's going on?

>>62453690
I already have a 2TB HDD for data.
The problem is that windows 10 is a storage hog and I have barely anything left just with him installed. I can only have one game installed in the SSD, which sucks.
The softwares I use for work also take a lot of space unfortunately.

>>62453722
Pretty sure it's connected to those miners buying out stock.

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Asus prime b250 pro in antec gx500 chassi

Some chassi fans connect into the the top left, what connector is that and where does it go? others are free like on the right but are too short to put in the motherboard

They are all burrowed into the side of the chassi and won't go all the way the motherboard, how do I make sense of this?

>>62453738
Nigga how the fuck? I'm on windows 7 but I can't imagine win10 takes more than 50GB, even with the page file. Have you deleted the hibernation file and windows.old? Also, try CCleaner and disk cleanup if that's in windows 10

>>62453775
I think he's installing everything to the SSD and not the HDD to save space.

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Is there is a noticeable difference between the 6 bits + frc and the 8 bits monitors?
They both say they show 16 millions colors.

>>62453773

The one on the top left is a 4-pin molex connector to plug to the 4-pin molex plug of your power supply (very few things use those plugs now), you only use that if you can't plug the 3-pin fan header to the motherboard for whatever reason. Remember to only plug either one but not both

>>62453803
Always get 8bit+FRC as a minimum. Anything less is trash.

>>62453792
I get that but even if he's installing all his software, that shouldn't be more than 10GB, excluding games, and unless he only plays AAA games, he should have plenty of space. I mean, yeah, get the second SSD if you want (preferably an m.2) but I think a 120GB SSD is sufficient and recommend he looks at his habits or software before spending money he doesn't need to

>>62453830
Windows 10 takes up 40GB of space alone, and most modern games can take up to 100GB
120 GB SSD just is not enough these days. He needs to start installing shit to the HDD

>>62453810
Thanks you're a lifesaver, So I'm not gonna connect the loose single fan ends if I connect the molex to the power supply?

>>62453859
>100GB
really? last outrage at file size I remember was Call of Duty being 60GB or something, most games I have are in single digits GB-wise, and for major releases like Fallout 4 (not counting the texture megapack tho) it seems to be 20-30. 100 seems like an outlier, rather than the norm, unless I'm completely behind the times

>>62453704
overpriced to $3000, three winners = the 9k

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>>62453144
>>62452949
Thank you, I just ordered my parts and saved about $400. Cheers!

>>62453893
Forza Motorsport 7 that releases soon is 99 GB, and other games take a similar amount of size. 90-100 GB is now the norm. A 120 GB SSD is completely outclassed here. Start installing the games to the HDD would be my advice. That's what it's there for.

>>62453861

>So I'm not gonna connect the loose single fan ends if I connect the molex to the power supply?

Yes since plugging both would likely to damage the motherboard

>>62453893

According to the purported leak for the PC version of Final Fantasy XV it recommends 170GB hard drive space

>>62453915
>>62453928
yikes, sorry for giving outdated advice then. Yeah, if the original asker is following this convo, just put them on the HDD, all it affects is the load times anyway

>>62453775
I checked the things you mentioned.
I have dirt3 installed in the ssd, AutoCAD 2012, Revit 2017, and a few smaller applications. And that's it. There's 17GB free now.
I already install the not so important stuff in the HDD, but I would like to at least have the important shit on my SSD.
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>>62453859
>>62453792
No problem dude I'm thankful to everyone who advised me here.

So a 250GB would be enough to keep like three AAA games installed at the same time?

>>62453997
>So a 250GB would be enough to keep like three AAA games installed at the same time?
not while also holding the operating system. Go for a 500GB SSD for that.
You should be installing the games to the HDD though.

>>62454023
Isn't the whole point of a SSD to install stuff like games and other resource-intensive applications though?
I will get the 500GB one. They aren't that expensive nowadays.

>>62454023
I thought you saved the game to the SSD and the save files to the HDD. Or is that the wrong way around?

So I was here about a week or so ago asking about how to upgrade from my i5 3570k and gtx 670 with the goal of gaming at 1080p on ultra for the next good while. In doing so I was told by you wonderful gentleman that I likely don't need to do the cpu/mobo upgrade that I thought I did and that if I just OC it I should be fine.

Also was told that the 1060 6 gb was likely the best choice for what I'm hoping to achieve. But I have been thinking and with the virtual hundreds of dollars I'll save not needing a new cpu and mobo (and ram since I have ddr3) I was wondering if its worth it to go a little more on the gpu and get the 1070, from what I understand it'll keep 1080p ultra for even longer than the 1060 and if down the line I find myself with even more money or wanting to save up I can further upgrade for 1440p. So yeah just wondering what opinions are, the 130+ dollar price difference isn't nothing to me but if it will give me even more longevity and some options down the road I think it might be worth it. Or should I just go cheaper, get the 1060 for now and reupgrade later if I see the need?

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond guys.

>>62454086
>Isn't the whole point of a SSD to install stuff like games and other resource-intensive applications though?
No. The point of the SSD is to put the operating system on there to speed up overall use, and MAYBE a few frequently used programs on them. HDD for everything else

>>62454105
save both to the HDD.
When you install the game to the SSD, that's also where your save files go so the game knows where to access them.

>>62454144
Save files have been saved on C drive for the longest even if the game is on another drive.

>>62454133
At current market prices, the best price/performance that's not a 1050ti is unironically a 1080ti. Splurge on this and you will be set for the next half-decade at 1080p

>>62454205
right and the C-drive is in the OS.... on the SSD

>2017
>micro managing storage like this
Pathetic, just get a 500GB SSD and be done with it.

>>62454207

I'd love to get a 1080 ti, but its just too expensive, I'm also planning on getting a mouse and keyboard and with those I'd basically be spending all the money that I have when I need to save some of it.

I'm only even considering the 1070 because of the money I found out I don't need to spend on the cpu/mobo. If I also needed those the 1060 would be my max.

I usually recommend going with 1 stick of 8gb ram for a budget build, that way you can drop a second 8gb ram in there down the line and get 16gb dual channel with 2 slots left for two more.

Or 1 16gb dimm if you think you'll go 64gb in the future, but if you have the cash 16*2 is good, dual channel, and two more slots for the future.

Hop in.

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