/pcbg/ - PC Building general

>>62454507
First for my new computer didn't bring me happiness

So reposting my question for the new thread. I'll try to make it smaller.

Got some money coming my way, want to upgrade my computer. Goal is to be able to play at 1080p for the next good while at ultra. Found out I don't really need to upgrade my 3570k to do that so saved some money in a way.

This is making me consider splurging a little bit, I was going to go with the 6gb 1060 as it meets my goals fairly well, but considering I'll be saving in a way not having to buy the cpu/mobo I was planning on needing to buy I'm wondering if the 1070 might be ok to get. The 130 dollar or so price difference isn't nothing to me, but if it gets me even more longevity at 1080p and gives me the option to further upgrade later if I end up with more money I could try to go for 1440p eventually. It might be worth it, was hoping for some thoughts from those who know more than I.

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>>62454532
i dont want this to be me

>>62454532
>>62454650

Can't be as bad as the guy who spent $5,000 CAD on a top of the line rig and instantly regretted it afterwards

>have a 1950x, mobo, and 32GB of RAM on the way
W-will I regret it too?

>>62454642
>Found out I don't really need to upgrade my 3570k to do that so saved some money in a way.
graphics-wise, no. but stability-wise, yea, you need a new CPU, and Intel is not the way to go right now for stability.

>>62454642
no

~25% power increase for about 40% price increase, and both will be obsolete in a few years anyhow

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>>62454681

is it safe to do my build on a cloth mousepad? specifically the Corsair MM300. it has a rubber base if that's important

>>62454683

My stability isn't really all that bad now, only game I have issues with is pubg and I suspect that's mostly because of my gpu (I used to get pastel, unenterable buildings at the beginning of games, I also get big lag spikes and bad frame rates sometimes while driving).

I'm only going off what I was told here, which was basically that if I OC my cpu some (which hopefully ends up as easy as I was told when my new cooler gets here) then it should do me fine for quite a while longer.

>>62454687
So then I should just get the 1060 and save myself the 130 or so dollars.

>>62454532
This happens when people are not realistic with what they use their computer for

Do you really need a Ryzen 5 1600 for more cores and threads when you only stream "sometimes" and edit videos "sometimes"?

Do you really need 32 or hell even 16gb of ram when you know you'll rarely see about 6gb usage in your case?

Do you really need a 1070 when you spend most of your time shitposting on /tv/?

Making smart decisions like buying into a AM4 socket knowing you have flexibility down the road is a good example of money being well spent

Most fags here would be fine with a r3 1200 and a 1050 desu

>>62454789
Not him but I went with a 1600 and a 1050 for light gaming.

My primary goal was PS3 emulation, and it's... getting there.
I rarely utilize my CPU to its potential but I do feel I'm better prepared (not proofed) for future software which may actually require it.

Coming from an original Phenom I'd rather have the overkill now and let software catch up to me instead of the inverse, and the 1600 wasn't relatively more costly.

>>62454780
Yes, save that money for a top of the line GPU next time you're in the market, or if it's burning a hole in your pocket, put it toward a fancy peripheral

I've got an R5-1600 + gtx1060 6gb setup with a 24" 1080p 60hz monitor.
Should I buy a better monitor and if so, should I get a 1440p 60hz monitor or a 1080p 144hz monitor?

>>62454507
crossfire my fury or get a vega 56? getting a 1950x soon.

>>62454839

Definitely planning on getting a new mouse and keyboard too. /mkg/ are weird though so having some trouble there.

should I sell my unopened 7700k? if so, what should I get instead?

>>62454789
B-but /g/ was shitting on the R3 1200.
;-;

>>62454821
I got a 1700x and am using it with a 1050ti. Didn't need the 1700x but I know I probably won't upgrade anything aside from the gpu for a couple of years.

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>tfw got to that age where i don't care about vidya anymore and im fine with a 1600 and some shitty 6670 I found at a thrift store

>>62454940
you make a compelling argument

>>62454780
>My stability isn't really all that bad now,
by stability, I mean stuttering. 4 cores and 4 threads just isn't enough anymore.
I hate to sound like a drone, but we need more cores and more threads.

>>62454970

Care to elaborate on stuttering? I honestly have very few issues currently, and I'm using a shitty stock cooler and my 3570k isn't OC'ed at all (hopefully changing soon)

>>62454940
>Giving up things you like because of peer pressure

>>62454940
>66W TDP
lmao

>>62454995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

Im wanting to build a computer to run cities skylines maxed out or almost maxed. My budget is very small tho. I bought an fx 6800 cpu months ago and im ready to buy a gfx card. My questions are as follows:
1. What video card will give me the best bang for my buck on this game?
2. Is 8gb ram enough?

>>62455097
>fx 6800
Now who the fuck told you to do that?

>>62455097
>FX CPU
I'm an AMD fan, but this was a stupid idea. You should've gotten an AMD Ryzen 5 1600.
>1. What video card will give me the best bang for my buck on this game?
At the moment, an nvidia GTX 1060 6GB is the best bang for the buck. If prices were normal, it'd be an 8GB AMD Radeon RX 580.
>2. Is 8gb ram enough?
barely. You want 16 GB

>>62455060

So watched about half the video, interesting stuff, but I mean I never disagreed that they are better chips. My point is for my needs I've both heard and now believe that my cpu will do me ok. I mean those games are insane and yet it still was always above 60 fps (granted with the titan x, but that's just to have a control), which is enough for me.

Sure I'll eventually need to upgrade obviously, but I get the feeling that my current chip will last me a little while longer for what I'm looking to do.

>>62454849
Your setup is great as it. If you still want an average of 60fps at 1440p you'll have to get a GTX 1070. Go with a 1080p 144hz if you don't plan on upgrading and if you play competitive games.

Overclock a cheap r5 1400 with a $15 air cooler thats on sale. Upgrade in 2020. thats about $180~200 for a cpu+mobo combo.
If you dont have ram, get $110 of 16gb 2666. Check the ram compatibility.

graphics cards are 560/1050, for under $100
1050 under $150
1060 3gb for under $200,
1060 6gb under $300, !080 for $500, These are your only reasonable new purchases.

Go home everyone

>>62455188
just go with a 1600 and upgrade never

>>62455097
Throw your FX in the trash. Buy a 1500 or 1600
Get you a 1060
8gb will never be enough.

>>62455130
>>62455097
>>62455206
Cities Skylines can't use more than 4gb of ram. Stop lying to the guy. Ram prices are inflated right now, so put that money into a new CPU instead (even a R3 1200 performs better) since it's it's a processor-heavy game.

>>62455427
no, both are more than enough for 60hz, and if you plan on 144hz, an i7700k won't be enough anyway

>>62455427
>Will I regret getting Ryzen 7 1800x over I7 7700K to go with 1080Ti for 1440p? I know below 1440p Ryzen will be better bang for buck, but does it also hold up on 1440p?
>How much is the average fps difference at that resolution?

>>62455188
link me to the 16gb ram for $110. on amazon.

>>62455427
Hogher res means GPU, not CPU bottleneck.
You could use a 1700x and there wouldn't be much of a difference.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LtBm9W

how did I do? I only need case now

>>62455868
u fucked up on the RAM, lad

Just went down the local store to ask for the x370 taichi.
They checked their stock, said they didn't have any, tried checking all of their other branches for stock, didn't have any.
Called Asrock asking for stock, says there weren't any.

Tells me Asrock might be refreshing the Taichi or something and wouldn't let them place an order.

Checked other places, also no stock, no stock online either. (This is in the Asia Pacific)

In the end I got the Prime X370 Pro over the Gaming K5 for the VRM, considered the ROG Strix X370-F Gaming, but it looked like all you get with the price premium is the RGB lighting.

hey guys its anon from last thread
Is MSI Z270 gaming M7 good with Ryzen 7?

>>62455955
No, Z270 is a fucking intel board.

>>62455964
Perfect, thanks!

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>>62455964
thancc
sorry for autism questions its my first build

>>62455942
Just put it together and testing a bit, 1.35v @ 4.0ghz, do I drop the voltage first, or do I stress test before I start dropping voltage?

Computer is dying and nobody can tel what it is. Its either psu or mobo or both. As such im building something new.

Going from 4770k to probably 1700 but maybe 1700x. Realize its a sidegrade but the cores should help with certain things I want to learn (namely blender).

My issue is with mobo and ram.
Asus has always treated me well. Is the ch6 worth the premium over the prime series? Never had a rog mobo before and im currently in a house share so wifi is a must.

Ram. As far as I can tell one of the best kits is the flare x as ryzen benefits from faster ram with diminishing returns after ~3200mhz. My issue is between 16 and 32gigs. Id prefer to have 32 but need help weighing the pros and cons and basically figuring out whats actually a reasonable expectation.

Gpu is a 7970 which I could upgrade but I only casually game lately and it seems to be holding up just fine.

Can anyone help me out?

>>62456126
depends on the prices for the 1700 vs the 1700x. if the 1700x is only slightly more (read, 25 more or less) then go for it
the crosshair is one of the top x370 boards, but to be honest you really dont need x370 unless you HAVE to have more lanes or want sli. you'd be fine with a b350, msi b350 gaming carbon pro is a great option for that
ask yourself, do you know you need 32gb of ram? if you dont know, you dont need it. even for blender or video editing your gpu will be the bottleneck before your ram in this case
also, do yourself a favor and dont learn blender, learn premier or vegas or resolve or something actually usable

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/swLm9W
Thoughts?
Shits and giggles build.
Before criticizing, look at the parts chosen. There is a theme going here. I wanna see if /g/ can figure out the theme.

>>62456154
Will look at 1700x prices. Basically jave to see about corsair sendig me a bracket for my h105. Otherwise the spire was insurance.

As far as the ram I still dont understand all the issues with ryzen. Im under the impression that 4 sticks results in slower apeeds than two so while im open to doing 16 and seeing if I need/want 32 later im javing difficulty understanding the implications planning something like that might have.

If the ch6 is a good board I kight just go with it. Im likely to upgrade this proc next gen or the one after that, especially if theres more of a difference between the new ryzen 7 models.

>>62456126
Ask yourself,

Do you need more than 4 sata + NVME, SLI, beefy VRMs?
If yes go x370, if not go b350

Get the 1700x if the price difference is minimal.

If you're running blender then you should be getting 2*16gb to leave yourself an upgrade path to 64gb in the future, you might not need 64gb now, but 3 years down the line and Zen2/zen3 comes around and you might be itching for it then.

Ryzen will run 2666 without overclocking, and the difference between 2666 and 3200 isn't as great as people make it to be unless you're really hitting the memory.

If you got the money, sure go 1700x/1800x + C6H, if not, drop down a tier on the motherboard to keep the 1700x since you already have a cooler.

>>62455868

>Low frequency ram
>Ryzen

You dun gooded senpai, return that shit if you can.

this friend made my other friend a build.
thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JB2sTH

>>62456294
scrap the Intel processor.
and the cooler.
and the motherboard.
Get an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 instead.
Use the stock cooler. It can handle a moderate overclock.
Then use a B350 chipset motherboard. I like the MSI B350 Tomahawk, but that's me.
bump the SSD to 240 GB at minimum.
Scrap BOTH of the HDDs and grab 3TB Seagate Barracuda for the same price as both of them.
Scrap the Phantom case. It's hideously out of date. Current favorites are the NZXT S340, Phanteks Eclipse P400S, and the Silverstone RL05.
The Silverstone has a spot for the DVD drive so there's that.

Other than that, get a different version of the 1070. Reference cards are shit.

Jesus christ. It took me forever to fucking install and correctly set-up a goddamn Samsung Nvme. Looks like mine stopped randomly freezing, I hope.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236638&cm_re=2560x1440-_-24-236-638-_-Product
this monitor is cheap and i like the thin bezel however i see a few people online complaining about backlight bleed and dim spots
do any of you have opinions on it?

>>62456164
"Cheap chink shit" theme?

>>62456522
nope.

>>62456164
All I can think of is Redline, that animu movie.

>>62456593
close enough.
Car racing is the theme.
Honestly, I thought the motherboard, and SSD would give it away.
>Biostar calls their motherboards the Racing series
>SSD was made by Hyundai

>>62456294
Fixed your...everything.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9s3Ps

Don't buy windows.

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The female molex in here goes to my case fans. I couldn't find a molex to 4 pin atx to plug directly into the PSU, but I found this male molex to female motherboard 4-pin. Can I connect that to the motherboard's cha-fan2 or is molex only for PSU?

So g/
Considering a build for moderate 1080p60hz gaming and occasional shitposting, I'd like to upgrade GPU because that HD6970 is showing it's age now.
I'm thinking going RX570 but would I really need to change CPU with that? I feel like good old i7 950 is still a great chip, would the 570 be limited by it?
What do you think /g/ents?

2 questions
Does dual channel vs single channel make a huge difference?

Does the motherboard/PSU/tower casing come with all the cables and wires needed for hooking up a PC? Or do these things usually come with the part? For example, does a 1080 come with cables?

>>62457529
Motherboards usually only come with 2 SATA cables so if you have more than 2 drives than you need to buy more cables.

Cables for the 1080 will be on your PSU
Cases will have all the cables for switches, indicator lights and front panel IO.

If you have to ask, then no, dual channel ram will not matter for you, it makes 2~3 fps difference in games.

>>62457355
If you're playing games that does not leverage high clocks or high IPCs then it won't be limiting to the RX 570 which is a mid low end card. Hell RX 570 will not hit 60fps on some newer triple AAA titles unless you drop to medium or lower settings. It was made for Overwatch, Rocket League, CS:GO and other shit like that.

Is there an order you should overclock ram/CPU in?

Getting my r5 1600 soon and 3200 2x8gb ram kit

>>62457596
CPU is easier to get stable first, ram is a hit n miss, sometimes you get your ram tweaked, overclock the CPU and it fucks up memory again since the controller is on CPU.

>>62457173
Bump please help

does installing the OS on a ssd have any other benefits than the initial boot time?

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>>62457173
Why don't you connect the fan directly to the motherboard.

Or use Sata to Molex

>>62457670
Windows 10 will compress itself on a SSD resulting in smaller footprint, opening and closing anything related to the system will be faster, keeping the prefetch, pagefile and other stuff on the SSD will result in better overall system response times.

>>62457677
The fan 4-pin mobo cables are short, dug in deep into the chassi and won't reach the mobo.

I have no sata to molex, thought you wouldn't have to buy a crapload of cables

>>62457706
PSUs will have at least a couple of molex plugs somewhere, look harder.

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>>62457717
I have this but they're all female, has to be male right?

>>62457737
Those are the cables you should use for the fan.

>>62457786
Thanks so much! Thought males female was a big deal here. There are two loose hanging 3pin labeled "front fan". I can connect one of them to cha-fan1 on the mobo with some effort. The second one is conjoined and won't possibly reach all the way to cha-fan2. Now the issue is, there are no front fans in the chassi, only rear and top that are already wired into the molex? So what about those two loose hanging ones?

Update from yesterday. I got my last piece yesterady and started installing, I got the wiring done and tried to boot, couldn't get POST.

On my mobo there are LED lights that diagonse errors, and I have mixture of these yesterday, randomly swapping the RAMs seemed to fix this somewhat.

I had times where I'd have no LED lights on (seemingly no errors) and I still couldn't get anything on the screen, even after waiting several minutes. And yes, the DVI is plugged into the GPU not the mobo.

Then I tried resetting the CMOS, using a screwdriver between and also taking out the battery for 10 seconds.

Still no POST.

Then I read that having extra stand offs in the case can cause bad things for your mobo, so I took everything out, and lo and behold there was an extra unused standoff under the mobo, I took that out. Tried to boot, and BAM, now I get CPU errors, and the systems shuts itself down after 10 seconds with power.

Im gonna order new thermal paste (i didnt imagine id need it, shit comes preinstalled) to check the CPU now.

It feels like every time I plug a hole in this sinking boat, a new problem comes up. Im too fucking stupid for this shit.

I have a shitty 5 year old Toshiba office laptop.
The issue it has is that the fan doesn't spin fast enough, it's slow and while I have good internet it takes forever opening URLs and takes forever to open desktop folders.

Is there a way to give new life to this laptop and upgrade it to a gaming laptop?

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Thinking about getting a large enterprise HDD, ~10Tb. Are there any reliable sources on failure rates of those helium drives? I'm planning to get one with 5 years of warranty anyway, but warranty won't protect me from data loss.
Also is there any major difference between the different companies? Like supportwise or something?

>>62458503
post specs. We're not magicians here.

>>62458503
>Is there a way to give new life to this laptop
Maybe
>and upgrade it to a gaming laptop?
No

I plan on building a completely new pc as my current pc is 4 years old. I think I want to get the Nvidia 1070 which i heard is great price/performance. but with the Nvidia 1070, is it better to do
1080@144
or
1440@144
CPU I might wait til next month to see what coffee is like otherwise I might R5 or R7. I do a lot of video editing and games.
suggestions?

>>62458852
depends on gayms. CS:GO? GTX 1060 should be enough for 1440p. Witcher and shit like that? 1080ti for 1440p 144fps

>>62458321
>using the preinstalled paste
Honestly I've never felt comfortable doing this, I always clean my stock fans and apply the good shit.

>>62458869
R6:Siege, possibly Destiny 2, pubg,

>>62458704
Model:C855D Satellite

Processor: AMD E-300 APU with radeon HD graphics 1.30 GHz

Ram: 4GB

64 bit operating system

>>62458877
Any brands you can recommend?


I just don't get how I can keep getting DRAM errors, then I take everything apart and then I suddenly start getting CPU errors and the system shits itself after 5 seconds of power.

Im gonna take it all apart one more time tonight and make sure everything is connected

I just want to see a damn logo on the screen, is that too much to ask

>>62458902
you won't get 144fps in pubg with whatever, as the game runs like shit on most rigs
Destiny 2 doesn't even run 144fps on a 1080ti in fhd.

get as good a gpu as you can afford
>>62458915
giving it a ssd might make it useable, but it won't be able to run games for the life of it.

>>62457967
Not every molex needs to be plugged in, extra ones can be just left alone.

Can someone link the updated gaming mouse list for me, please? Mine broke just now and i'm thinking of ordering a new one.

Or just recommendations. Mostly play RPGs and FPS games, but i'd love my mouse to have 4-5 additional buttons

>>62458932
I use NT-H1 personally. This honestly sounds like a motherboard issue.

>>62458958
so would it be better to aim for just 1080/60fps then?

>>62458958
>>62459015
or what if the monitor support gsync

>>62459015
1440 60fps is possible with a 1070, g-sync is a good idea as well.
alternatively, get a ayyymd and use the 100$ the freesync frees up for a better gpu.

>Enermax Liqmax II 240 for $40
Fuck. FUCK. More for me to buy. Passing up on that would make me retarded.

>>62459086
Like the Enermax case I ordered doesn't even support 240mm coolers unless I get to cutting shit out of it or mount them on the outside. via running the tubes out of a flipped side panel. But that's $40 for a 240mm cooler.

Even when I try to have nice things I still end up going full Frank.

>>62459112
Fuck it. if I'm going full retard, why shouldn't I run dual 240mm CPU coolers connected to a solid aluminum brick set over the CPU itself?

>trying to sell 980 ti on ebay
>1 day left and the only bid is from the other side of the world
>I have no idea how I would ship it there

fuck me

I was adding 2x4 ram to my pc and now when i try to turn it on, my pc turns on and off all the time. I took new ram out and placed the other 2 in the same slots they were before, but its still doing the same thing. What do i do? I also fucked with a fan attached to the heat sink

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Thanks for all the advice, my first build in 15 years is finally complete!

i have this old desktop that i dont use and i think about selling it
>cpu intel celeron e3200
>mobo Ga-sp43t-ud3l
>gpu Nvidia Geforce 8400 gs
>240 gb hhd
>3 gb super talent ddr3-1333 value ram
how much can i realistically ask for it?

>>62460293
20 bucks.

>>62460293
about 20 bucks.
it's horrifically out of date and wasn't even high spec when new

>>62460279
Specs?

>>62460159
Try with just one ram stick

>>62460319
ye im aware its outdated, its been lying in the attic for years, but i feel it should be worth more than 20 bucks..

1060/1070/1080 for 1080p 144hz?

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When will GPU prices go back to normal

>>62460588
never

>>62460405
Tried with one of the old sticks, still the same. After first going off, there is a red light when it turns on. Next time is no light and then red light again, so the red light comes with every 2nd time turning on. Motherboard is gigabyte z170 gaming k3

Anyone here has experience with the H440
How cool is it? Are stock fans + CPU 280mm radiator enough? 1080Ti btw

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What's the UK MSRP for RX Vega 64? I know in the US it's $499 but it need the £ price.

I found one for £473, should i go for it?

>>62460627
rip motherboard

>9 hour/day in a cubicle wage slave here

Any suggestions for a monitor decent enough for some gaming but isn't going to blow out my eyes? Any info would appreciated.

>>62460405
>>62460627
I also put the old stick in both of the slots old sticks were in, but it doesnt matter.

>>62460705
Pls no :(

Is there anything else i should do? I dont have any other pc to check ram with it.

>>62460455
It's big, it's ugly, it consumes a lot of power, and most things you can do with it you can do with a RaspPi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM-yHuiAJFI
Watching this made me want to go 5k. The build that i'm planning to purchase already has a 4k monitor and a 1080 ti. Is it worth it to get another 1080 ti and go sli for 5k at this time?

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Does a power supply affect performance?
The fan was making a lot of noise and when I lubed it now files load slower when exploring windows and as such games get stuttering when a lot of particles in the screen, which didn't happen before
Now I'm also thinking if it's worthy a water cooling system or not since that may be due to bad air traffic

>>62460672
nah
i payed $600 for mine but i was really impatient for a new card
id recommend a 1080 unless you need a vega for a specific reason

>>62461019
>id recommend a 1080 unless you need a vega for a specific reason
I got a 144hz 1440p Freesync monitor to power

I think I'm going to try reflowing my broken GPU

>>62461056
then get a 1080ti
vega wont even cut it

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i5-3570 8gb ram. The hdd tray didnt come with it.
Would some velcro tape be enough to keep a ssd in place?

>>62461223
what is that behemoth

>>62461205
you can use an Nvidia GPU with a freesync monitor?

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>>62460366
I7 7700, gtx 1060 6gb, 16gig ram

Thinking about going from phenom II 960T + GTX 660 to R5 1600 and GTX 1060 6GB or RX 580, the 580 is some 50€ more expensive, which one makes more sense for gayming?

>>62461308
it will work but you wont get freesync or gsync

>>62461240
Dell Optiplex 7010. Yeah the Heatsink is weird design

>>62461343
The 580 is slightly faster, but unless you have/are planning to get a freesync monitor, it's not worth extra 50€

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>>62461359
Well then clearly Vega 64 is the best choice since it'll give me the variable refresh rate.

>>62461205
The 1080ti prices are wayyy to high and I'm budgeting myself because i think i may loose my job soon.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Bennjy/saved/jqcccf

Spent $2500 aud. Where have i fucked up?

>>62461455
hi bennjy!

>buying i5
HAHAHAHA HAVE FUN WITH YOUR AUTISTIC STUTTERING PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>62461455
Assuming you're not trolling and have indeed already purchased it:

>Did you at any point consider AMD Ryzen?
>Why are you paying for Windows?

>>62461455
>buying windows

>>62461455
ya know 8th gen intel CPUs are about to be released soon. It would last you was longer because more cores.
you should get at least 16 GB for gaming
you could also get by with the unactivated version of windows

>>62461455
>i5
>That RAM
>Pro S for $130
Honestly I don't have a problem with buying windows but that is just retarded

How are EVGA vidya cards? I personally don't like their aesthetics but I heard good things about them.

>>62461990
Video cards can be good or bad depending on model but across the board EVGA has good customer support.

>>62461564
Is Ryzen the far better choice here? I just assumed i5 would get me by

>>62462088
Have done any research or you just picked whatever was popular? You can't be that retarded can you?

>>62461785
I actually paid more for the pro s

>>62462088
There's a reason the OP lists "No i5s unless discounted" and "R5 1600 - Best value".

The 1600, and Ryzen in general, are safer and smarter investments across the board. Very specific use cases would benefit from Intel, such as muh fps.

>>62462141
How and why
I got a Pro L RGB for $100

>>62462088
Yes. Look up benchmarks. Look at the core counts. i5s are about equal or a bit worse in single core performance, and much worse in multicore compared to a similarly priced ryzen.

>>62462146
I hadn't seen this thread until today. I was basing off li and I had heard i5 was competent enough

>>62462168
Bought in-store. After fartassing around wondering whether I should start a build or not, that was the first thing I bought
I guess I just rushed the rest. I compiled a list in about 2 hours fucked off no sleep

>>62462201
Refund the CPU, mobo, cooler, and RAM.

Get a Ryzen equivalent (1600, by price), a B350 mobo, the 1600 comes with a cooler, and 2933/3000+ MHz RAM (preferably dual channel, two sticks).

And refund Windows.

1080ti SLI or Titan X SLI?

rate my wqhd gayme machine

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yf3TKZ

>>62462173
Alright I'll try to resell the i5. What should replace it?

>>62454507

would this actually work?

>>62462268
Nice job finding that rebate on Windows 10!

>>62462262
1080ti SLI will have a lot better value and an insignificant performance loss

>>62462268
>buying windows

>>62462268
>1600x
>Mini card
>500w

>>62462268
Unless you really want that base clock boost and potentially better binning, just OC a 1600 and save a few bucks.

What does /pcbg/ think?
TFW earning Canadian Rubles
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6BwsTH

>>62462316
>>62462259

>>62462316
>i5
>2133 memory
>1050

>>62462316
Read the sticky, faggot.
What's your budget and what are you using it for?

>>62462332
Sorry, budget under 1000 Canadian Yen, purpose hackintosh.

>>62462330
I'm not a stupid gaymer.

>>62462346
buy a mac

>>62462360
No, Mac pros are shit and I already have a nice moniter.

>>62462352
Why the hell are you buying an i5 then retard

>>62462382
Hackintosh needs intel. Also intel is more stable.

Didn't read this thread or anything at all before but where is my first ever build I made a week ago or the parts at least it cost about 5k aud, keen to get your thoughts, the money itself isn't too much of an issue to me either I have a decent job with ok pay, also it seems the front headphone and microphone ports won't work on the case in any way, any idea at all, even if I just fucked up the plugs?

>>62462419
Consider Gentoo

>>62462419
Why the hell would you hackintosh and that's not true

>>62462419
Your purpose is hackintosh, but what's your purpose for hackintosh?

>>62462436
Does it POST?

>>62462316
I'm sorry, your retarded, I'm not going to help you.

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> Have geforce 960 gtx windforce gpu
> plays ok on games like fallout 4 or cod blops 3
> new blops coming out
> just upgraded to 2k 2560x1440 screen
> FPS dips frequently at medium settings
> wat do?

I'm looking at upgrading to a 1060 gtx (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125906&cm_re=gtx_1060-_-14-125-906-_-Product) which is ~220-250$. My limit is 300$ and it has to be <11" L, 5" W because of mini-itx case. Should I look at the rx580, too?

I'm also a bit split, because I just got a nice sign on bonus and could splurge for a 1070.

>>62462436
Did you put the front panel and HD audio connectors in correctly

>>62462471
You shouldn't look at a 580 (right now) unless you have brand loyalties to AMD.
You don't need a 1070 for 60hz on 1440p. If your going for 144hz on 1440p, splurge for a 1070.

>>62462471
Also, since new shit is coming in the fall - should I just wait 1-2 months for the prices to fall?

>>62462493
144hz at 1440p I would reccomend something more powerful for newer games

>>62462462
Hackintosh to replace my 2012 Macbook Pro. Purpose is just schoolwork, I don't play any games.

>>62462550
why do you have a 1050 you stupid fucking nigger UGH 7/10 made me reply several times

>>62462463
Purpose is web browsing, and schoolwork, I'm studying EE, I don't play any games.

>>62462281
Yes. That's exactly how ram works. We've been attaching metal to all the pins for no reason all these years.

>>62462570
Why not? I might need it for modeling or rendering, I'm an electrical engineer.

Heya, planning on building a new PC. Any experience with Zalman micro ATX cases? People seem to sing praises of them, but I reckon I might as well ask here too

>>62462493
>>62462514
Meh, I dont want 140hz, my screen only does 60hz @ 1440. The 1060 looks better in benchmarks for games and I'm only interested in those 1-2 games a year (family life, yeah), specifically the new CoD this time around.

Thanks for the advice!

>>62462579
Do they have only mac-centric software you can't do without or lack windows alternatives?

Might as well go pure linux with wine+vms if so.

>>62462604
I've been using a mac for years, and I have three terrabytes of backups and files, the change of filesystems would be a massive timesink.

>>62460588
Not for a long ass time. They're still going up because ram prices are going up. And there's no telling when the mining craze will break off. Could be a hella long time. Could get worse.

What's wrong with Intel?
-Built in iGPU for non gaymers
-Consistantly better gayming performance
-More motherboard availibility
-Thunderbolt 3
>Needing 16 cores

>>62462811
shekel on the way

>>62462625
Might be worth biting the bullet instead of putting it off just to keep restricting yourself to mac.

>>62462811
150% cost(or more) and 30C higher temps for 10% better performance.

>>62461428
>144hz + 1440p
>budgeting myself

>>62462498
No guarentee that they will. Ram prices are still going up. It's possible GPUs will cost you MORE in the fall.

>>62462874
Seconded.

I'm the only person at work that uses a linux laptop for work. Have used for 5+ years. No fucking problems at all.

All my coworker's dev environments break every time there's a mac os update.

If you want your data to stay with you a long time, you have to factor in the openness of the storage.

>>62462926
True. Gotta wait for next paycheck, so I'll order a new card early October. Gonna play around and OC current card, see how far that'll take me.

>>62461004
Maybe you've fucked something else while trying to fix your psu fan

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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kCmtZ8

Question: Is 21:9 worth or should I go with 4k?

>>62463112
That is a pricy case

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>place an order with Amazon on a 1080ti over a week ago
>took over a week to process
>payment (visa hold) was cancelled by bank
>bank saying my account has no problem
>pried to pay multiple times afterwards and they wouldn't accept
>tried to use dad's credit card and now they locked down my account

Fuck this if they don't want my money I will just buy from somewhere else.

>>62463112
You seemed to have forgot Windows 10, a crucial part of any build.

No need to thank me.

>>62463112
eh... Personally I don't like 4k or ultrawide.

The high end titles don't really play that well maybe 60fps with a 1080ti. and ultrawide is not massively supported on all games.

Whatever you want to do anon. your choice.

hey, /g/
new at this pc building business, i want to build a budget gayming pc that will hopefully last me a few years (at least 3 or 4), before i upgrade

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GreaseFunky/saved/#view=rRdXHx

i earn filipino-slum money

>>62463230
I don't even.

Get a 1500/1600 (non-X), it comes with a decent cooler.
Get a B350 chipset mobo
Drop to 2933/3000 MHz 2x4GB RAM
Do not pay for Windows 10

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>>62462884
>10% better performance
5%

>>62463270
>Get a 1500/1600 (non-X), it comes with a decent cooler.
meaning, i will have to ditch the cooler i have on my build and save my hard-earned, minimal-wage money?

>>62463230
the ryzen 1200 OC'd has the performance as the 1300 OC'd

The stock cooler is good enough for overclocking

get at least 2666 ram. The performance boost is worth it on Ryzen. Check QVL

If you plan on upgrading your CPU to the 8 core and OC i'd prefer to get at least B350 ATX board for better VRM handling. B350 tomahawk is pretty good.

Not sure how good the case is.

you can use windows with it unactivated to save you money.

Get a seasonic or EVGA PSU. I have the seasonic focus plus series. G2 or G3 is pretty good from EVGA

>>62463322
Your cooler wasn't marked as purchased.

You can keep your old cooler if it has an AM4 bracket. I wouldn't recommend buying an X version just because it /lacks/ a cooler.

Also your build lists a 1300X and an A320 mobo, but the A320 can't overclock just B350 and X370.

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>>62463301

>>62463184
Gotcha, gonna buy 1050ti and FHD monitor and wait for Volta and maybe ultrawide 4k

>>62463371
I mean its fine if you don't mind 60fps. I like playing at 144Hz 1440p on my games. I don't have much experience with 4K or ultrawide. But I feel 4K is more so for people with editing pictures and such. Ultrawide can be immersive but It just hasn't really appealed to me

>>62463230
Don't buy windows.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYTLGf

>>62463184
4k display 1080 GPU user here. Most games run fine above 60FPS with some compromises.

>>62463447
wtf your build is all over the place lol. why 3200?: why 16gb? literally who ssd brand? Seagate hard drive?

I just want to play the latest games at 4K/60FPS but it seems like while a 1080Ti can average 60FPS it will also dip below 60FPS and that makes me want to not even bother. Granted it's not like my consoles are doing any better but then again they're not $1500-$2000 investments.

>>62463230
I didn't know what your exact budget was, so here's a GOOD 800$ gaymen build.

>>62463585
I'm retarded. Here's the link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MBZMsJ

>>62463343
>>62463350
Thanks for the suggestions about the B350 mobo. earlier i was kinda thinking that since im a newbie it's best that i don't dive right away to overclocking, but then again i think a b350 will serve me well in the long run, upgrade-wise

>>62463447
thank you, i'll look into this
>>62463528
that ssd brand is probably the cheapest available here in this shithole.

>>62463598
Somehow worse yet costs more than >>62463447

>>62463585
>>62463598
actually i was aiming for a $600 below

>>62463528
Because Ryzen
8gb are at the limit on today's games
Adata is not as shit as you might think
Seagate is fine

When's the next generation of GPUs due?
Good time to buy one right now?

Got a Ryzen 5 and now waiting for GPU discount.

People recommend the S340 until they have to move it with their bitch arms.

How about some cases that don't weight 20 pounds by themselves?

>>62463560
4k is meme dream. Wait a couple years. If you don't want to just for 1440p

>>62463639
>costs more
>gpu price not included
???

>>62463665
Okay but you don't need 16gb on a budget.
Hyperthreading isn't that important ON A BUDGET.

>>62463705
Volta in Spring maybe
AyyyMD summer maybe

>>62463721
It would still cost less, GPU included, and comes with more and slightly faster RAM.

>>62463705
probs a year from now. not a good time to buy them now due to mi ers, unless you're getting a 1050ti or 1080/ti.

>>62463721
oh, and mind you i dont need to run new games on the highest settings, just 60fps on medium to low settings.

>>62463729
eh, too long, guess i'll buy the next good sale i find
cheers m8

>>62463733
mi ers?

>>62463788
minors

>>62462514
Not the guy who asked but, Woah so Vega 64 isn't meaty enough to power 1440p 144Hz.

How fucked am I? (ordered 32 in samsung 1440p 144Hz monitor and looking to do an AMD build, was not aware that Vega was so wimpy)

>>62463799
I can't find any Vega 64 1440p 144hz benchmarks.

>>62463649
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9BLZpb

>>62463799
It's not wimpy, but you're asking a lot

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3215123/components-graphics/amd-radeon-rx-vega-review-vega-56-vega-64-and-liquid-cooled-vega-64-tested.html?page=13#toc-10

>>62463799
Did Vega prices even stabilize yet? They're like $700 just get a 1080TI

>>62463799
it should be on the same level as a 1080 just a bit slower.

You probably have to lower the quality settings to play at that refresh rates

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>>62463921
The 1080 I wanted went from 490 to 578, I haven't checked in the last few days but it's still way too high in comparison.

>>62463905
noticed you changed the HDD and SDD, what exactly does this brand have an edge over something like adata and seagate?

>>62463976
What if I were to crossfire the vega 64's.
>inb4 I have to buy 2 Samsung monitors and will have 2 copies each of prey and wolfenstein

Any 1080TI with a silent enough stock cooler?

Going for an mini itx build and already have a 960 what CPU/motherboard should I go with to get the cheapest price?

>>62464005
>crossfire the vega 64
I think it would be more efficient to just get one powerful graphics card than doubling up two weaker ones. AFAIK there are games that do not recognize two graphics cards and some even have worse performance with the two recognized.

>>62464033
the strix and aorus one are the best in low noise level and has good tempatures.

strix costs more because the materials used are more sturdy than the aorus one

>>62464080
thanks, will look into it

What's a good brand for hard drives?

1400$ budget.
1080p gaymen.
I'm gonna buy a 580 when prices drop. For now, I have an old 960.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CQW7VY

>>62464253
I think seagate is the best. although its not like most of the brands blow one or the other out of the water like comparing the samsung 850 evo vs another sata SSD

Can I leave the stickers on my sticks of RAM when using them?

>gpus will actually go up in price
>tfw paying $400 for 1060 6gb, $500 for 1070, $700 for 1080

>>62464318
Sure.

Should I change this at all? Pls don't let me blow it up

>>62464259
>when prices drop
lol

>>62464342
Mhm.

>>62464259
seems fine. you could save a bit and get a SATA ssd as you won't see much of a difference in boot times.

Not sure on the quality of the monitor. And I am not sure if a 580 will drop in prices any time soon if you are wondering

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>>62464342

>>62464345
>implying the huge bubble that is crypto isn't going to pop
lol

>>62464342
what?

>>62464342
No, it's fine.

>>62464370
Sure anon, just keep waiting. It will only get worse from now on.

>>62463368
Delid dis.

>>62463368
its on par to a 1600? the difference is that single core performance is much higher.

Can I wear rubber dishwashing gloves while building my PC?

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>People elsewhere calling me an ass for taking a tire iron to Intel's knees for the delidding shit

>>62463788
whoops meant miners.

>>62464554
YOu shouldn't have to delid a CPU if you don't want to burn your house down

>>62464546
Probably, but the only reason I see to do it is to not leave fingerprints.

Is static discharge a meme?
All i ever did was ground myself once before touching components and i never lost even a single part. Neither has anyone i ever talked to.

>>62464628
Probably, but there is always that one guy

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>>62464628
It's a real thing, but parts have, over the years, gradually been engineered to be more resistant to electrical discharge.

so i have a q8200, a fuckton of ddr3 and want to upgrade cpu
i want to be able to fuck with clockspeeds and disabling cores
>inb4 ryzen
ddr4 is expensive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tLZpb

Working on buying parts slowly. Leaving the GPU for last in hopes that the mining craze ends by the time Christmas rolls around.

>>62464744
4790k, maybe? Or ivy bridge-e(anything newer uses DDR4).

>>62464554
I wish I had a clue as to why people act like these companies are their friends and need defending from all the shady shit they do.

>>62464776
>4790k
>350 euroburgers on amazon
is there a 250€ or lower cpu+mobo option?
if there isnt i might as well get a 1600 and buy some ram

>>62464755
you should get a vega 56
slightly faster than a 1070 and you can oc to near 64 performance
price should be low by christmas or black friday

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>I can't find a fucking mobo that supports 3200Mhz ram that don't cost the same as my ryzen 7 1700 on this fucking third world country

What's the cheapest system if I need the most pcie lanes possible? Like on a budget, threadripper is out

>>62464916
Intel doesn't cut the prices of their old CPUs, so unless you can find one used, you'd have to settle for an i5. And finding a decent motherboard can be kind of tricky, too, since intel changes sockets so often.

>>62464969
What's your budget and how many lanes do you need?
You can probably find some used server or workstation for relatively cheap.

>>62464974
ryzen it is then? unless i get something used for real cheap?

>>62465004
As low as possible and as many as possible. Ideally I'd like not to spend more than 200 on cpu and motherboard, but I can stretch that a bit if needed

>>62465023
Those are basically your only options.

>>62465176
Yeah, for 200 you're probably not going to get more than 16 even if you're buying used.

>>62464956
It probably wouldn't kill you to settle for less RAM speed
3200MHz is an ideal, not a standard.

Are 4k and 1440p@144hz comparable loads on a GPU? or is 4k definitely a heavier load?

>>62465311
kthx

I'm out of the loop, has the whole Ryzen 5 1600 Linux segfault thing fixed now?

>>62465397
1440p@144Hz is heavier, but you're more likely to hit some other bottleneck before being limited by the GPU.

>>62465397
They are pretty comparable, but 4k is a constant heavy load while 1440p has the leeway of being able to drop fps and not chug

>>62465474
>>62465476
What about 1440p @ 100hz?

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when the FUCK is AMD's RMA process going to resume I want my CPU back
It's been almost 2 weeks since I sent mine out and almost a full week since they received it
Still no word on when they're even going to ship it back to me

>>62465335
What's the minimum for a good performance?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D2nfwV

RGB fest with solid performance

>>62465538
2133 for good. 2666 is where the biggest gain/clock happens, and from there you get diminishing returns. You'll likely be able to loosen timings on 2133 or 2400 rated RAM to get up to 2666. Look for the tight timings moreso than clockspeeds, as you can always loosen them to get higher clocks.

>>62465496
4k is 2.25x the amount of pixels as 1440p. 144hz is 2.4x the amount of frames as 60hz.
Do the math and hitting 144 fps on 1440p is theoretically a heavier load than 60 fps on 4k.
100 is 1.666666666...x the amount of hz than 60 so it is a lesser load.
>>62465538
2400MHz can work fine.

>>62465313
Including chipset? I just need 32 pcie 2.0 lanes to be good

>>62465538
2666MHz seems to be the spot where you start getting diminishing returns, so I wouldn't go for less.

Did I make a mistake by buying the monitor Dell P2317H?
For use in image editing and drawing.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-23-monitor-p2317h/apd/210-aiib/monitors-monitor-accessories

If I want to build 1600 based gaming pc for 1080p, should I go with 1060 or 1080? There is no sense going with 1070, as it costs almost the same as 1080.

Realistically speaking, will I be able to run games at ultra-high with 1060, or should I go with 1080 and be 100% set for upcoming years with my shitty resolution?

>>62465713
Asking if I will be able to run games at ultra-high with 1060, I mean in next 2-3 years. I just wonder if it makes sense to buy 1080, or if 1060 is good enough for 2 years and I can get a new gpu then.

>>62465747
Get the 1080

>>62454507
OP's pic the new iMac?

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The linear bandwidth difference from 1080p to 1440p is an increase of 77% (read: 1.77x), from 1080 to 2160p is an increase of 300% (read: 4x) finally the move from 1440p to 2160p is a 125% increase (read: 2.25x). 135fps/hz would be 225% of 60, meaning it's 1440p@135hz is approximately as intensive as 2160p.

>>62465902
Not him, but I'd argue 1440p 144hz is harder to achieve than 4k 60fps, because you have to have a cpu that can feed the GPU that fast as well

Dear,
>>62465474, >>62465496 :

>>62465902
Which is to say it's approximately equivalent unlike, with only the slightest margin of difference. If you're choosing between 2160p60hz or 1440p144hz I suggest the latter unless you're going well beyond a 27" monitor which you sit unreasonably close to. Another note to be made is you can downclock monitors, though it may take some tweaking, to reduce the frequency in order to prevent screen tearing at a locked framerate.

>>62466026
Or just use gsync/freesync

>>62465966
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a CPU bottleneck in modern CPUs that would prevent 1440p144hz. Remember when Ryzen dropped and despite its lackluster launch performance it still failed to bottleneck higher resolutions. Obviously the same is true of Intel processors. With that said, I do agree a weaker CPU wouldn't be able to handle certain more intensive titles like BF1 in certain circumstances (100 tick 64 player servers) outside of that though competitive games are over-optimized and so framerates well in excess of 144 are easily obtainable with only marginal difficulty.

>>62466099
I find committing to these to be a problem, Freesync is obviously free, but Gsync is technically superior, it's also significantly more expensive. Neither are cross compatible. Personally I find it to be anti-consumer and as such I will opt-out of purchasing anything offering either standard. Furthermore, while they are better than v-sync they both fail to cure the input latency they were designed to remedy so it becomes even harder to justify their use. I'd rather lock frames at some integer multiple of my refresh and let things play their course.

>>62454507
Bought a Ryzen and a MSI Crosshair VI Hero board. Wrestle with it all week just to have it crap out. Either the mobo or the CPU is dead. Feels pretty bad.

>>62466172
>Personally I find it to be anti-consumer and as such I will opt-out of purchasing anything offering either standard
G-sync is anti-consumer. Freesync is an open standard Nvidia is free to implement(but isn't going to, because being anti-consumer is what they're all about).

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Computer in question >>62466201

>>62464936
I'll consider it. Currently it's not within reasonable budget and neither is the 1070 but it's the one I want that fits my theme.

>>62465586
>>62465593
>>62465599
Thanks, I will take a look on that.

Newfag here, is there an advantage for gaming to get a ryzen when even old and cheaper intel cores can outperform them? Just used user benchmark to compare but seems like a fair assumption.

>>62466450
This offends me and I'm letting it be known

I'm looking to get a GPU I can just drop in and run off the PCIe power. Will I have power draw issues with a rx460 in a 2.0 slot? The TDP seems fine, but some have complained about it.

>>62454821
PS3 emu are limited on Ryzen to one CCX.
So 1600, 1800X, doesn't matter. You will end up with 1400-tier performance. If that is your goal, stick with 1500X for more clock + aftermarket cooler.
To the day where it finally be able to use both CCX, Ryzen 2 (aka 5Ghz) will be there for you. Or even Ryzen 3.

>>62466570
are you telling me RYPOO is shitty on EMULTORS?

WHAT THE HELL

>>62465553
gay

>>62465553
why not wait for 8700k?

>>62465553
do you have a cute pink boipussi to go with those fans
also I would change case if I were you, 570x would fit more

>just wait for coffeelake its a few weeks out
No, faggots. When was the last time a CPU head a clean, problem-free launch. Anyone with a functioning brain knows the wait for coffee lake is several months, not a few weeks. If you get it on-launch you are to blame for issues.

>>62467174
>cute pink boipussi to go with those fans
its RGB though. don't make fun of her

>>62467206
What issues could arise? do you have examples from intels side?

NEW
>>62467382