/FLT/ - Friendly Linux Thread - The Return Edition

linux is gay

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>>62435065
Thanks for the bump, kid.

Systemd no longer wants to follow
noauto,x-systemd.automount

This seems to have started with systemd 234.
When i go to login via tty it will take he username and password but it will pause for 2 minutes, then checking the log the system is trying to mount that mountpoint despite nothing touching it. It hangs all tty's for 2 minutes until the drive is manually mounted(its a crypto disk i manually open).Am i not using the right switches?

>>62435115
I'm afraid it's been a very long time since I actually studied this matter. Could you clarify what this parameter is intended to do and what file it's in? It appears to be an fstab parameter but I'm not sure what it's supposed to do. For the record I'm on Arch Linux and presumably on SystemD v. 234 and I have no issue with logging in via TTY. What distro do you use?

Q: I use KDE. when there is an update to that buggy POS software that is Plasma, how am I supposed to upgrade it? am I stuck on Plasma 5.x when plasma 5.y is out? or do distros upgrade their versions of plasma without me needing to reinstall another version?

>>62435195
Im on arch.

noauto makes it not mount the device when it scans fstab.
x-systemd.automount makes systemd skip over the device until something attempts to access it.
The device in question is a crypto device that i manually decrypt when i need it. It has other mount options that i use so its convientnt to have it all fleshed out in fstab and then just decrypt it and mount it per fstab options

I'm new to Linux and running Mint 18.2 Cinnamon, but I'm unable to figure out how to get video thumbnails working. Installed ffmpegthumbnailer and followed some steps online to make it work, but no thumbnails are showing up from what I've tried. Anyone here run into the same issue and fixed it?

>>62435317
Make sure your file manager supports using ffmpegthumbnailer

>>62435343
It should. Using the default nemo file manager it came with. My preferences allow thumbnails for all files below 4GB, so that shouldn't be the issue either. Not sure what else to try.

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>>62435019
Friendly reminder that Linux is just the kernel. Other kernels are:
The Muen Separation Kernel https://muen.sk/
and HiStar http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/

Operating Systems under GPL are:
FreeVMS http://www.freevms.net/
FreeDOS https://www.freedos.org/
Plan 9 https://github.com/brho/plan9
JNode http://www.jnode.org/
KolibriOS http://kolibrios.org/en/
ReactOS https://reactos.org/

Special mention to GNU/Hurd https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
Arch Hurd http://www.archhurd.org/
Debian GNU/Hurd https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd

>>62435198
Use a real distro like Arch instead of babby Ubuntu. Plasma works best with a rolling release distro, and you just keep it up to date.

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>>62435849
garbage post

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The most annoying thing about these stupid, contrarian /flt/ threads is that it fucked up my filter. Also, now this whole thread is going to be chocked to the brim with the most awful shitposts, even worse than they typically are.

I know that installing gentoo is a meme, but what about gentoo itself?

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>>62435019
Calling the system “Linux” is a confusion that has spread faster than the corrective information.
The people who combined Linux with the GNU system were not aware that that's what their activity amounted to. They focused their attention on the piece that was Linux and did not realize that more of the combination was GNU. They started calling it “Linux” even though that name did not fit what they had. It took a few years for us to realize what a problem this was and ask people to correct the practice. By that time, the confusion had a big head start.
Most of the people who call the system “Linux” have never heard why that's not the right thing. They saw others using that name and assume it must be right. The name “Linux” also spreads a false picture of the system's origin, because people tend to suppose that the system's history was such as to fit that name. For instance, they often believe its development was started by Linus Torvalds in 1991. This false picture tends to reinforce the idea that the system should be called “Linux”.

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>>62435987
Most operating system distributions based on Linux as kernel are basically modified versions of the GNU operating system. We began developing GNU in 1984, years before Linus Torvalds started to write his kernel. Our goal was to develop a complete free operating system. Of course, we did not develop all the parts ourselves—but we led the way. We developed most of the central components, forming the largest single contribution to the whole system. The basic vision was ours too.
In fairness, we ought to get at least equal mention.

>>62435987
What if I use Linux without GNU? e.g. if I use musl, not glibc?

>>62435977
gentoo is fine, useful for oddball architectures or systems where you need to compile things a special way but dont want to use ports.

>>62436007
that's fine, but many newcomers to the kernel do so by way of GNU.

>>62435849
> GNUfags showing up to educate us

Everything is truly back to normal.

>>62436022
...what about for ARM chromebooks?

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>>62436026
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY USERLAND?????!!?!!!!???

>>62436144
> many newcomers to the kernel do so by way of GNU

No he didn't.

Post your CFLAGS!

-mtune=native -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -fstack-protector-strong -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fno-lifetime-dse -fno-schedule-insns2 -mcx16 -mpopcnt -pipe -fno-plt -fstack-check -fno-plt -fstack-check -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2

>>62435317
>>62435752
Ok i found a temporary fix to the problem. Editing the xplayer.thumbnailer file to load up ffmpegthumbnailer did the trick. So I'm guessing this means that even though I installed ffmpegthumbnailer, it was still using the thumbnailer program from xplayer. Although, I uninstalled xplayer so I don't know why it's still using it. Anybody know how to change the thumbnailer nemo uses? Would prefer it to use the actual ffmpegthumbnailer.thumbnailer file if I can.

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I'm relatively new to linux, but know enough to install things, make packages, and handle myself pretty well, but something that evades me completely is how to set a .gif file as your wallpaper. I've seen it done before but all the methods I've seen online are ridiculously outdated. If anyone could offer some insight it'd be nice.

>>62436613
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62436778
That might be correct but me saying I'm new to Linux isn't exactly incorrect either. To be more specific, I'm new to using both, but nothing about what I said was incorrect or deserving of that rant. Also you didn't answer my question.

Can you lads hep me out >>382142

>>62436613
feh

>>62436778
I'm using Linux without GNU

>>62436857
Shit's deleted yo

>>62438090
bad lying post

>>62436613
I replied to you in the legitimate thread >>62438064

>>62438106
another bad lying post

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>>62435019
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-doesnt-really-care-about-open-source/

>>62438137
>In some ways, Linux was the project that really made the split clear between what the FSF is pushing which is very different from what open source and Linux has always been about which is more of a technical superiority instead of a — this religious belief in freedom.

>There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
>-- Linus Torvalds

Why did Stalldaddy drop off the grid?

What's he know that we don't?

>>62438143
>exclusion and hatred
Some next level reverse psychology here

I bet Linus also thinks the US constitution is about exclusion and hatred for trying to take away the freedom to rob others of their freedom.
Torvalds also seems like someone who would totally support monopolies.

The guy's just a corporate dick sucker who uses this idealistic notion of absolute freedom as a gimmick to win over idiots who don't realize that's impossible. (e.g. "I totally support Microsoft's right to remove your freedom, but I am avidly against Stallman's right to take away Microsoft's rights")
Give me a fucking break.
The whole issue of freedom is by nature a chicken and egg problem. Anyone who claims to be at the top in some sense of hands-off-do-whatever-you-want absolute freedom is either an idiot or a swindler.

Does Debian in command line mode/i3 mode mount USB drives the same way Ubuntu does in graphical mode?
I'm so used to Ubuntu just fucking werking with USB drives, this was probably the main reason I even started using Ubuntu, I remember for years no distro, all the way back to the days of Caldera was getting this right. I really hope things have moved forward for non Ubuntu distros.

>>62438152
he's never been on the grid

>>62439554
your DE does that, so no i3 or a tty wont do it for you.

https://itsfoss.com/linux-foundation-head-uses-macos/

>>62439476
You should off yourself for bumping this thread from page 10 back to page 1. Learn to sage.

>>62438143
>I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred

nice one coming from the mouth of literally the guy who constantly excludes the gnu contibutions and spreads hatred on free software "extremism"

like wtf, free software isn't some terrorist camp, it's actually good for society, for everyone

wait some years when everything in FOSS is controlled by companies and theres no freedom left to get rid of spying, datamining and selling our secrets

>>62439639
Oh shit, I just realized I wasn't in /fGlt/. I've been flim flammed

>>62439590
Fug. Then what do people do when they need to do shit on a USB drive and they're not using a DE? I can't believe I've never thought of this but then I've been trying a lot of new things out recently.

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what's with all the hate toward Arch? Isn't it the undeniably best desktop distro for advanced users?

this is my setup:
>boot arch installer
>partition, mount and make filesystems
>install the packages and package groups: base, base-devel, xorg, nouveau, SLiM, xorg-xinit, git and dmenu
>do the tedious locale settings, users, passwords etc.
>git clone i3-gaps from the arch user repository (i3 is included in the officials but i3 gaps isn't)
>use the easy-as-any makepkg script to build and install i3 gaps from source
>reboot

And then just configure everything like you would on any other linux distro.

Updates are incremental (rolling release) so if something breaks (and it rarely ever happens) it's easy to roll the few packages back and then solve whatever broke. Debian for instance introduces a huge update every other year or so that breaks all your configs and everything you've been doing.

Why the hate? And I mean, if you want yourself a just-werkz linux distro with GNOME 3, why won't you just go with Ubuntu now or, hell, Debian? Why would you want to customize debian when you only get packages from the yester-year?

the other thread just got deleted?

>tfw mods got b8'd into deleting the correct thread

>>62440486
You can tab-complete.

So, type in :h & and then tab a few times to see what comes up as the best matches. You'd then see something like :let-&, similar to what >>62440620 has.

Really, it's all about looking into the help files and realizing that the help command is just linking you to specific/small sections of larger help files. When you get the time, I highly recommend looking through the Vim User Manual as a whole (:help, and then be sure to read that top section and understand how to navigate the help pages. And then follow the link to usr_01.txt and keep reading).

So, as a fuller picture, you have :h & -> :let-& --> usr_41.txt when scrolling up to the top of the page with :let-&'s explanation (note: it's much easier to read the user manual pages than the reference manual pages) --> &name, which is an expression for an option.

>>62440833
>the undeniably best desktop distro for advanced users
>advanced users
>advanced
>users
Is watching anime and changing the theme really considered advanced?
>i3-gaps
vomit.jpg
How can you say with a straight face that you actual use your desktop when half of it is wasted?

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Went from Windows 7 to this because it just werks and is decent enough for studying.

>>62440833
>ran sudo pacman -Syu today
>destroyed my system, had to chroot in off a liveusb to fix it

>>62440833
the problem with arch is that arch users can't stop spamming about how much they use arch

Current state of Just Linux.

>Linux Foundation Head Calls 2017 ‘Year of the Linux Desktop’…. While Running Apple’s macOS Himself.
https://archive.fo/UMTP4

>Linux Foundation calls the GPL a "restrictive virus" which can get you into legal trouble.
https://archive.fo/sE6eb

>>62440955
More like the current state of /g/ posters.
>Linux Foundation calls the GPL a "restrictive virus" which can get you into legal trouble.
Can't be bothered following the link but the GPL is very commonly referred to as viral and just ask linksys if it can get you in legal trouble.
>>Linux Foundation Head Calls 2017 ‘Year of the Linux Desktop’…. While Running Apple’s macOS Himself.
The linux foundation is a corporate vehicle to facilitiate governance input from industry stakeholders. It has very little input on the technical direction of linux, it basically does marketing and accounting. The people who actually have the most input into the kernel are from red hat (fedora et al) and google (IFAIK they still use their own ubuntu based distro).

It's time to face the facts. Linus Torvalds is nothing more than a whining, overly obese autistic manbaby who has not done anything beneficial for the computing OR technology world in the past 20 years. Seriously. Name something that Torvalds has done after 1991 besides bitching, crying, and moaning about bullshit that does not matter, or making some retarded, incomprehensible blogpost on Google+.

He demands that GNU/Linux be called Linux. That is fucking insane. The only reason Linux is even a THING is because of RMS and the Free Software movement. If anything, Linus should rename Linux to The GNU kernel, because this is the most common system where Linux is installed.

Linus still has the fucking gonads to act like he's superior to everyone else. Saying shit such as "My name is Linus Torvalds and I am your god." or "I hope you all die a painful death." What an asshole. Linus wrote like the first 2 percent of Linux, everything else was developed by the community.

He should be fucking grateful RMS stepped in to save his ass, and even allowing him to take partial credit for his achievements. If it wasn't for the GPL, he would be nothing, Linux would probably still sit on some FTP, being proprietary.

He's a washed up, morbidly obese man who tries to stay relevant by having these retarded arguments that are similar to those found in Silicon Valley. Face it Linuxers, Linus is a beardless man, and the only reason his name is still in the books is because of Stallman's achievements.

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>>62441149
>a whining, overly obese autistic manbaby who has not done anything beneficial for the computing OR technology world in the past 20 years
wew which timeline did i end up in

>>62441149
git

>>62441178
>he can't recognize pastas
The absolute state of /flt/

why was the other thread deleted?
it was pretty fine imho

>>62440955
Reminder that sheckle hungry corporate fags do NOT represent GNU/Linux developers or users.

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how do i get rid off this annoying bar on top of the browser, where it says the name of the page? Its there on everything I open not just the browser and its wasting so much space for no good reason.
In the panel's display options I tried to tick
>Don't reserve space on borders
but that just hides it behind the panel and I can't use the minimize, maximize and close buttons.

>>62441272
Settings > Window Manager Tweaks > Accessibility > Hide title of windows when maximized
it's a somewhat recent feature, and hidden in the wrong place

>>62441272
bsd does not have this problem

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How can I completly de-GNU my Linux OS?

>>62441304
worked perfectly , thank you

>>62441312
BSD doesn't have a lot of things, like software, drivers, users, etc.You know, the little things.

>>62441337
Install OpenBSD

>>62441304
>>62441361
wait, no. this is hiding my min,max and close buttons.
how do i get them to show?

>>62441337

sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root "$GNU"/

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>>62441403
Thanks.

How do you mount USB drives and do stuff with them on command line Debian?

>>62441533
>unironically using a GNU distro
Install Alpine,it just werks.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ext4#Using_file-based_encryption

Anyone know what Ubuntu fags should do when they reach the part of this that needs e4crypt?
I tried apt install e4crypt, doesn't seem to exist.

The command before that
sudo tune2fs -O encrypt /dev/sdb1
tune2fs 1.42.13 (17-May-2015)
Invalid filesystem option set: encrypt

doesn't work either. Not sure why not. This is Ubuntu 16.04.3.
Testing out fs level encryption on a 4gb usb drive.

Some dude in the last thread said that fsencrypt may not be enabled in the Ubuntu kernel but how would I check if it is?

And has anyone got this working on Ubuntu? Or even a different distro?

>>62441533
I still use pmount but if you use systemd there is probably some awkwardly named tool that ships with that.

In what ways are you guys contributing to your distribution or open source?

>>62441386
But I want to have a working system.

>>62441609
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

>>62441609
By using it and reporting bugs and issues
Also by introducing to other people

There is new boot option in a grub after update. What should i do? Is it normal?

>>62441609
wif tiem and codse
>>62441619
The memes don't work. They just make it worse.

>>62441637
Depends, if it says Windows, you may have a virus. If it says Linux-something, you may just got a new kernel.

>>62441665
Linux. What should I do in this case?

>>62441672
Boot the newest version, if it works, you'e fine. You can basically deletele all older kernels, but it's a good idea to keep at least 2 kernels: the current one, and one which is older, but is proven to work.

>>62441689
How I can delete them?

>>62440899
How does that happen if you pay attention a little
>>62440850
Don't hate so much
>>62440929
So the hate is on arch users and not arch? Isn't arch just gentoo with prebuilt binaries?

Why do people hate the GNU project?
I don't understand.

>>62441727
They hate everything.

>>62441721
>Isn't arch just gentoo with prebuilt binaries?
Yeah but they keep changing the name of them which is confusing and makes it harder to do reproducible builds.
>>62441727
Why do people hate mormons so much?
I don't understand.

>>62441710
Install Windows.

>>62441727
shills, people who defend the convenience of enjoying the botnet, proprietary software developers, mac fags, bsd cucks, or just thin skinned people who cant stand an interjection

>>62441749
You are rude. Be patient.

>>62441727
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bait-this-is-bait

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/flt/ help me

i'm trying to live boot heads

but after the boot screen my monitor literally shuts off (only way to restart is to hit the power button)

so i restarted, and at the boot screen i pressed tab and inputted

 nomodeset 

i got pic related, if i input anything (startx for example) my screen goes blank, but does not shut off

what do

t. first time doing linux

>>62441749
>>62441780

He's right you know. On Windows you have the WSL for Linux and regular Windows for gaming fun. There's no reason to install Linux on bare metal nowadays.

>>62441806
install gentoo

bad thread

>>62441808
I don't play games, I'm programming, but I need help with my issue

>>62441845
good post

>>62441808
>shilling windows on a friendly gnu/linux thread
what is wrong with you

>>62441845
great post

>>62441950
>I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out. There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
>-- Linus Torvalds

>>62441806
HALP

>>62435019
Is systemd NSA spyware?

>>62442003
yes

>>62442003
Yes.

>>62442003
no

Ubuntu+pantheon yes or no

>>62442023
install gentoo

>>62442027
Gentoo is shit

>>62441808
>you have the WSL for Linux
At work I am using a win10 box with ubuntu dev vm (I'm just there on contract for a few months so didn't bother doing my own thing). I installed WSL and used it in the same workflow as the VM for a few days. Take away? File operations are slow as dense shit. Unexpected commands fail do to unemplemented features. Win and nix stuff doesn't work together as well as it could (ps listings, can't access nix files from win and can't write to win dirs without losing posix perms).
Basically it just isn't a usuable alternative yet. If you really think it is then you must not have used it.

>>62442027
uninstall gentoo
install alpine

Arch linux or Gentoo on my 3 year old laptop ?

>>62442057
Alpine non-gnu/Linux

Windows

>>62441982
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

kde or xfce on my arch?

>>62442089
install gentoo

>>62442084
> implying you would know a rational thought if it slapped your face with its cock

>>62442089
I'd recommend [...] because [...] is clearly better than [...] because [...]. On the other hand, [...] has [...] and [...], so it basically depends on what you want. Btw, I use [...] .

Best kde distro?

>>62442130
Gentoo

* thread

>>62442139
Kubuntu?

>>62442174
Gentoo

how to remove all files except one?

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>>62442180
Ok then i will install Kubuntu.

>>62442188
regex or make a backup and delet all.

>>62442188
cp file ../file
rm *

>>62442188

rm !(myfile)

>>62442261
Nani?

>>62442405
Pedo?

>>62442529
Let's not.

>>62442514
>owo
wat

>>62442534
hey /flt/ i'm learning vim but i noticed when i press esc (or ctrl+[) it takes a moment before it exits insert mode. is there any easy way to fix this?

>>62442546
Install Microsoft Exsel

>>62442529
gr8 b8 m8
8/10

>>62442549
>Exsel
wat

>>62442529
> >nobody cares about XNU on macOS
How in the fuck? It's important for me when I run console utils on iOS.
> >nobody cares about Linux on Android
Same applies there.

>>62442546
There's no delay in my vim/neovim. Does it also happen when you start vim without a conf file?

vim -u NONE

if I remember correctly. Check the man page to make sure.

>>62442546
set timeoutlen=<number in milliseconds you prefer>

>>62442586
Thank you.

"There aren't enough swear-words in the English language, so now I'll have to call you perkeleen vittupää just to express my disgust and frustration with this crap."
t. Linus Torvalds

>>62442514

I think I had the same problem. Try the noesckeys option.

>>62442694

Meant for>>62442546

>>62442628
edgy

What's the best cross-platform (don't care about macos) libre free open source epub reader?

>>62442736
emacs

>>62442736
install gentoo

>>62442736
mupdf/zathura

I want /fglt/ back ;_;

I discovered something amazing. If you are a ramlet, enable zram and add 8 GBs. There's practically no performance or battery penalty even on the shittiest celerons.

>>62442791
Kill yourself, jewlover

>>62442743
Can emacs really read ebooks well? Do images work well?

>>62442791
same

>>62441556
Bump

>>62442791
You're not alone.

>>62442844
Sage

>>62442859
No

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>>62442802
>>62442817
>>62442847
>3 jew-loving faglets spotted

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>>62442891
>>62442802
>>>/pol/

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I want to leave the systemd train

So Sourcemage or gentoo? Im not a fan of debian so no devuan

>>62443001
Gentoo is fun. But why not Guix?

>>62443001
Also consider Void

>>62443001
install Windows

who /WSL master race/ itt?

>>62443001
Install Alpine non-gnu/Linux

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Whats does that mean ? Trying to install Antergos

>>62443096
Does it work on Windows?

>>62443020
Or nixoS
>>62443096
>Antergos
lol
It's behaving normally then

>>62443112
Doesn't NixOS default to systemd?

>>62443127
Yes, but Guix is GNU crap.

>>62443134
Yeah but >>62443001 stated that he wanted to leave the systemd train, not the GNU train.

>>62443109
Yes
>>62443112
Very helpful

>>62443001
>no one tells you to install sourcemage
Source mage is easy as fuck to install, the package manager is interesting, you should give it a try if you got the time

>>62443185
>muh gnu
>muh freedoms
it's shit

>>62443157
Antergos is crap man. Just install arch with whatever DE/WM you like.

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You guys are making satire ITT, right?
Please don't tell me y'all serious.
WTF

>>62443220
I'm sure the autist shitposting about hating GNU isn't.

>>62442628
ebin

>>62442628
deep

Something I've noticed is that in tty pressing left arrow key and right arrow key moves the cursor instantly, but in an x session it has some sort of delay
How can I remove this delay?

>>62442043
>>62442069
Are you the new Kevin?

>>62440765
you just write 'fdisk -l' to see the connected devices and then use 'mount' to, you guessed it, mount the drive :)

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Antergos anon here. Same error with Arch. Any idea how to fix ?
>inb4 hurr durr arch sucks install ubluntu duntu

>>62443686
Can you type stuff here or is it completely dead?

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Not asking on /v/ because I doubt anyone will know.

I have a home server I use as a torrent box with NFS running on it so I can access all the files from my other PC's. I'd like to be able to watch stuff directly on my TV, but the only thing I have plugged into that is a PS3 which doesn't have any support for NFS. Anyone here have a PS4 and know if I might be able to stream stuff across my LAN to it from NFS / if it would even play mkv, really just want a cheap easy box to use as a media player.

>>62443686
hmm yes i've seen this before
the cure is a stable system like debian or ubuntu, comrade.

>>62443716
Cant do shit

>>62443759
Is it a laptop and are you trying to boot from a usb drive or something else?

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>>62443756
Kys

>>62443764
Desktop live CD

>>62443754
>cheap easy box to use as a media player
Why not a Raspberry/Banana/Orange/Anotherfruit Pi instead of a PS4? Also can't you install samba and use the PS3 with that? Can't the PS3 stream stuff from an http server (that you would run on the computer that hosts the NFS shares)?

>>62443783
Don't use a liveCD, use a normal install media.

>>62443794
install media = livecd

>>62443783
>>62443794
Also if you really want to try a livecd remove your nvidia graphics card from the computer and try booting like that.

How can I use Skype without installing the pulseaudio botnet?

>>62443808
apulse. It's unmaintained but still works.

>>62443808
At first I thought this post wins the award of the most stupid post today, but then I saw this post: >>62443823

What the hell is wrong with the people ITT.

>>62443804
A liveCD is a bootable OS beginners use in order to try linux. A normal install media only contains an installer.

>>62443808
>installs botnet
>wants to get rid of free software "botnet"
if this isn't bait, you need serious help

>>62443844
How is >>62443823 stupid? It's exactly what >>62443808 wants. Who cares about him using the "botnet" meme.

>>62443845
an installer is a livecd. just has less software on it

>>62443867
>spoonfeeding beginners malware isn't stupid; he wants it!

>>62443823
Thanks

>>62443794

Was hoping to avoid having to purcahse something else and set it up from scratch, wanted something easy that would hopefully just slot into my current config, also I've not liked Samba when I've used it in the past, I prefer NFS for all my linux stuff, though may have to re-consider it if that's the only option.

>>62443891
How is apulse malware exactly? I systrace'd it and it did nothing bad to my system when I used to use it.

>>62443873
Sure, if you want to be pedantic about it.

>>62443913
I'm talking about skype, fellow brainlet.

>>62443924
>You should give your knowledge to less knowledgeable people, they might use it to hurt themselves!
Fuck off RMS.

>>62443924
What's wrong with Skype?

>>62443941
It's proprietary.

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Looks like the last non-dumb part of /g/ (this thread) has also been taken over by neo /g/ plebs by now.
>free software sucks
>fuck you rms
>the jews
>le commies
>overall solution to all problems: install alpine
>guix a shit, fuck gnuuu
>windows does not have this problem
>wsl masterrace
nope
Thanks for all the fish. I'm out.

>>62443994
See you tomorrow.

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>>62443994
>giving up

>>62443994
Glad you're leaving desu. Helping newbies install skype on linux in order to have them actually stay on linux will be much more pleasant now that I won't have to interact with you.
Nobody likes extremists and it's the reason why RMS is laughed at by so many persons.

>>62443373
t_hiss

>>62444116
not him, but just wait 10-15 years
people who laugh on rms today will cry tomorrow, wonder why they didn't listen and far, far away you can hear the smallest free software violine ever

>>62444157
Explain

>>62444205
It's better to have people run a 50% free operating system than telling them they can't use the software they want to use on a 100% free operating them and having them go back to a 100% proprietary system.

>>62444116
There's no point in using Linux when you use the same crap you would use on Windows.
Are you about market share or something? Who cares? Do you want popularity on all costs? Proprietary software is pulluting the air of the free software community. It teaches newbs that proprietary software that spies on you is still fine and free software a speacial gift.
Proprietary software which works on Linux may bring new people to the system, but it doesn't teach them to defend it, to defend the community or even what the community is all about, which is the freedom of hacking, customizing, sharing, improving feeling secure. All things you loose when you install literally NSA ware like Skype.

>>62444254
if someone wants to install botnet, fine, but there's no reason to literally help them, you should warn them about the problems so they can actually decide themselves if they want to install shit like skype
> they can't use the software they want to use on a 100% free operating them and having them go back to a 100% proprietary system
nobody ever said this

>>62444278
>Do you want popularity on all costs?
There is absolutely no cost to having someone run skype on linux rather than skype on windows.

>>62444321
>> they can't use the software they want to use on a 100% free operating them and having them go back to a 100% proprietary system
>nobody ever said this
Not helping someone install the software they want on linux is basically risking them going back to windows because at least on this operating system they know how to install what they want.

>>62444205
It's basically win-win.
>loose
>1984 everywhere
people realize that stallman was right
>win
>freedom everywhere
people realize that stallman was right

lets just hope its the latter win

>>62444386
>1984
?

>>62444401
>current state of /g/

>>62444377
>software
malware*

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>>62444401

How do I make my terminal emulator as snappy as the virtual console?
It feels like there are some extra miliseconds of delay between keypress and response when I'm in an X environment. Is this avoidable?

I'm on i3 and xfce4 terminal, so not the lightest quickest software possible, but pretty light. Do I need to go even lighter?

>>62444526
No. The problem is inherent to X11. This is why GVim on Windows is actually faster than GVim on X11.
The only solution is to move to wayland. You could install sway, it's a Wayland i3-compatible window manager.

i'm looking for a distro that has mouse acceleration on/off GUI on a fresh install.

>>62444574
install gentoo

>>62444401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

>>62444546
Thanks, back to Windows I gues.

>>62444690
You don't have to, you can just switch to wayland.

>>62444546
>The only solution is to move to wayland.
Which would no doubt involve a ton of stuff breaking, tweaking, graphics drivers nightmares and little incompatibilities, if linux precedent holds.

No thanks, not yet. I think I'll just switch to a virtual console when I need to do a lot of stuff on vim/console instead, until wayland is mature. Also good for focus, I guess.

>>62444526
Change your repeating settings with xset

Sound is fucked on Linux Mint.

There's a delay on lots of things before the audio kicks in.

I googled and found some shit about pulse and alsa but I can't even find out which one I am using if either or how to change it.

>>62444718
Actually I tried Sway out and it works quite well. I don't une it because it doesn't allow rotating displays yet but I think Weston can do that.
Also I think te latest Fedora version uses Wayland by default.

>>62444758
Does it work on Windows?

>>62444758
You're most probably using pulseaudio.

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Why haven't you set up Lincucks for your tech-illiterate relatives?

I installed Ubuntu 14.04 for my mom 3 years ago and it's worked like clockwork since. No viruses, no fuckups. One of the best decisions of my life.

The difference is night and day compared to when she was using Windows and I had to fix and clean that shit up every other week.

>>62444742
this

literal tech illiterates ITT trying to look clever

>>62444814
>Lincucks
>>>/b/

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>>62444814
My family is 100% macfags.

Actually I don't mind that much, when they ask me questions I can just answer that I don't know since I've never used OSX.

>>62444814
dumb frogposter

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I get the same error message when i try to install Antergos Arch or Manjaro. Could it have something to do with my Nvidia GPU ?

How do I control my fan speeds? They're too noisy.

>>62444810
So how do I switch? I seem to have both installed in the package manager.

>>62444574
You're looking for a DE that has it. Not a distro.
That might help you narrow your search to find what you want.
Once you find out what DE has it then you would go look at what distros use that DE by default

But I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Not even Windows or Mac have GUI's that can actually turn off mouse acceleration (unless win10 has changed that, I haven't used it, but it typically disabling acceleration on Windows involves batch scripts or manually editing the registry)

>>62444944
Yes, I told you to remove the GPU. Why didn't you listen?

>>62444948
Don't switch. A lot of software (e.g. Firefox) depend on pulseaudio. Try to fix pulseaudio instead.

>>62444946
fancontrol

>>62444967
>Mac
macOS*
Mac is a device.

>>62443754
I don't think so. Not that I know, anyway.
I use miniDLNA for streaming from my fileserver to PS4. It's a bit shaky with anime subtitles but just werks for anything that isn't anime.

>>62444948
You don't "switch", you just either have pulseaudio on top of alsa or you don't.
http://tuxradar.com/content/how-it-works-linux-audio-explained

GNU/Linux audio is a mess. The reason I personally dislike pulse is because it's like a bandaid tying up all the problems together into a big garbage bag and then plugging audio into it.
I mean, on one hand that's a nice thing to have right now and I actually use it too. But I would rather us all just face the issues head on if it means REAL solutions sooner. This is Poetterings development style though I guess. It's the same for both pulse and systemd. Just put a bandaid over all the loose ends with one big piece of monolithic (by design) software rather than finding actual elegant solutions.

>>62445111
Oh and not to mention that style of development is not just indirectly counter productive (i.e. removing motivation to fix things properly) but it's also _directly_ counter productive because new software starts to depend on them. It gets to the point where real fixes to problems will start to be viewed as "regressions". It's a very rocky road Poettering is driving us down. Somebody needs to stop Redhat before it's too late.

>>62445072
a-and now what?

I found the solution to systemd: Develop a better init, distros adpot it, systemd is gone.

>>62445193
You have no idea what you're talking about. Systemd is not an init system. It's a huge software suit (over 70 programs and counting), inclusive init system.

>>62445223
Where's the prob? Replace the init, no need for all the bloat.

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The link on the OP about what distro I should use is dead. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm planning to be a Computer Science major so I'm gonna have to be playing around with linux a lot in the future, but I just want something now to get my feet wet.

What can I use that would allow me to progam in basic languages like Java/Python but also be my daily driver? My top three choices right now are straight up Ubuntu, ElementaryOS, or ZorinOS

pic unrelated.

>>62445193
There already is one: OpenRC.
Also this >>62445223

It's not just a meme. Systemd really is basically a complete re-imagining of the role of PID1.
Not everything systemd does is because they decided somewhere along the line it's needed in an init system. They add stuff to systemd just because there is some justification for taking advantage of special properties of PID1.
It literally isn't just an init system.

>>62445240
D E P E N D E N C I E S
The claws of Systemd go deep through your system. Guess why people actually develop distros without systemd. It's because it's fucking difficult and a lot work to remove dependencies and make the programs work without systemd.

>>62445262
install gentoo

>>62445262
https://web.archive.org/web/20170809042555/https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

>>62445262
Depending on your mental health
>what is a computer?
-> linux mint
>omg halp!
-> ubuntu
>I'm fine
-> debian

>>62445262
It doesn't matter. "Learning GNU/Linux" doesn't mean learning what buttons to click on GUI's or how to manage a specific distro.
It means learning to use a terminal along with common CLI tools, and you can do that on any distro. Just pick whichever one you think looks like it would be the nicest environment to live in while learning.

On the other hand, if you want the distro itself to maybe force you to learn a thing or two just by using it then you can go the "install gentoo" route (or not install it and instead just skim the Gentoo installation handbook for a decent big picture overview of the major components that go into a working system)

>>62445278
>>62445272
>>62445223
>>62445193
Pretty impressive how some people are able to direct the future of Linux.

>>62445278
It's not systemd's fault software is depending on it.

>>62445278
Only the init is PID 1.

arch is ok but the slow as shit repositories make it literally unusable
i'd take the bloated debian over arch any day

>>62445341
With poetterings tantrum about CVE's and the fact he refuses to even admit there are bugs with systemd,i see a large exploit happening to RHEL in the future and systemd losing all its support
and being dropped for something else

>>62445356
It is when systemd FORCES programs to use it.
Look at when poettering tried to FORCE tmux to depend on systemd

>>62445356
>It's not systemd's fault software is depending on it.
You poor ignorant fool

>>62445371
>blaming the distro because you don't know how to search for mirrors

You're not gonna make it, lad.

>>62445371
Did you even change your mirrors?
USER ERROR

>>62445387
I know the bug report you are talking about. He wasn't trying to force tmux into depending on systemd. He was trying to get tmux give a signal that shows it's a service so systemd doesn't accidentally kill it. That doesn't make systemd a dependency and any init system that wants to can take advantage of it. He even suggested making it a compile time flag.

>>62445392
Prove it.

>>62445392
its the other way around, programs depending on systemd force systemd into the distro

>>62445499
>>Prove it.
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html

>>62445499
>Prove it.
It's by redhat developers.
Q.E.D.

lol, did you think they actually made it for any reason other than extending their reach? At this point you can practically consider systemd to be a dependency of my very ability to even use GNU/Linux systems at all. That's not an accident anon, that was the plan.

>>62445545
>I'd like to propose

take the systemd redpill
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>62435019
It's GNU+Linux, OP-brain.

>>62445528
Oh right, my bad. It slipped my mind that software is often added to a distro before its dependencies.
I forgot causality worked that way. What a dark time it used to be when we had tons of software that depended on systemd, yet no systemd.
Good thing someone came around and finally decided to actually make it.

It's not like our older software worked just fine without any irrational hard dependencies on init system or something.

>>62445612
You can use the linux kernel with out gnushit

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I'm on a Manjaro KDE system and among other things, my pulseaudio is broken. Rather than keep trying to fix it as I have the past few weeks, I got advised (meme'd?) by some of the /fg/gts to just install Arch.

What is the quickest way to preserve the most of my KDE/System settings, and perhaps get a list of some of the apps I installed personally, so I can just pacaur them when I get Arch up & running?

>>62445647
back to /flt/ with you

>>62445685
Look where you are

>>62445698
This is now a /fglt/ thread.

>>62445672
Whoops, didn't realize I wasn't in /fglt/ lel...

>>62445545
See
>>62445528

>>62445554
Red Hat is the largest contributor to the kernel. If you can't trust Red Hat, you can't trust any Linux distro anyway.

>>62445637
Systemd added new features that software devs wanted. If you don't like it, fork it.

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>>62445711
digits never lie

>>62445672
Doesn't kde depends on pulseaudio? If that's the case you're fucked either way.

>>62445711
I thought it already was, the pasta is the one for /fglt/, I assumed OP was a faggot and just forgot the GNU part on the title.

fucking hell

i did some commands in linux mint to try and fix my audio just uninstalled alsa and pulse audio then reinstalled then i restarted the pc and now i cant login. i put my info in, the screen goes black fr a few seconds, then im back on the login screen

have to use my mummys shitty windows 8 laptop to post this what the fuck is up with it now? if i hit alt+ctrl+f2 and get a terminal open at the login screen, i can login n that i just cant get to the desktp

>>62445728
Wait a minute, holy shit. What happened??

What are some essential performance tweaks for average users? I recently learned about "swappiness" and that journaling should be turned off on SSD's.

>>62445729

prove it

>>62445647
And you can apparently use "Linux" without Linux.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/11/new-distros-coming-to-bashwsl-via-windows-store/

So clearly nobody thinks an OS is truly determined by its kernel.

You can swap out the kernel for something else and 99% of users would still say they're using the same OS because it feels the same.
I would argue that userland is much more important for the identity of an OS. Sure you can replace GNU but you have to clone its behavior pretty closely to do it. If you were to truly swap it out with totally new and unique "alternatives" then everyone would call it a new OS.

>>62445755
Why else do you think a software dev would add systemd as a dependency? Do you think Poeterring goes to people's houses and puts a gun to their head?

>>62445792
So no prove, just assumptions? okay

>>62445737
>Doesn't kde dpend on pulseaudio?
No.

Can I rebind i3 keys to hjkl?

>>62445836
then why don't you just remove that shit?

>>62445792
Anon, just be honest here for a second and forget the systemd debate or what anyone's motives are.

Do you honestly think this is good programming practice?
Can you at least agree that all these dependencies are "the easy way out" (assuming it's actually up to them) rather than elegantly written software?

I don't know about you, but I personally think that's reason enough alone to question things. To look back at how things were before systemd (were they REALLY so bad? Most end users couldn't even tell the difference) and what does the future look like where we collectively allow this sort of "easy" programming to pollute our core software (polluting userland is one thing, but polluting fundamental software let alone PID1) and people have a problem with it.
And you should too.

Whats the best init (except system) currently?
Which distro is best for it?

>>62445879
openrc
Alpine(https://alpinelinux.org/)
Sabotage(https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage)

>>62445858
Not him. I was just saying.
Isn't pulse ridiculously hard to get rid of once it settles into a system? I seem to remember having an absolute nightmare getting rid of it before. I don't think I've ever had it installed on this system.

New thread: >>62445905

>>62445879
>>62445887
Gentoo also uses OpenRC by default

>>62445916
Gentoo is shit

>>62445927
no u

>>62445904
Last time I used pulseaudio was like 5 years ago, on xubuntu, and I've just removed it, rebooted and everything was okay. I don't know if there is something to make it hard to remove these days, unless it's a dependency for your DE.

>>62441554
I don't believe that anyone would run Alpine on the desktop. It's a fine distro for its purpose, but please don't give it a bad name and abuse it as anti-gnu distro.

>>62445967
>unless it's a dependency for your DE.
Or browser. Thanks Mozilla.

>>62445988
pulse isnt systemd

>>62445967
What to use instead? I'm >>62445672. I tried reinstalling through pacman but it didn't do shit. Afaik, pulse is the main audio framework that's supposed to "just werk" right?

>>62445809
It's called inductive reasoning. You are too brainlet to understand.

>>62445878
If I were a software dev, I would want to write as little code as possible. That reduces the time of development and the complexity of the software. What do you mean easy programming pollutes PID 1. Did you know only the init part of systemd is PID 1?

>>62445915
The actual new thread
>>62446022

>>62446008
And? We are talking about pulseaudio here.

>>62446020
Inductive reasoning is not an excuse for not having proofs of your thesis.

>>62446020
It doesn't matter what you'd want as a dev. We're talking about a usable OS here and how things are to its _users_, that should dictate what is acceptable.

How does it benefit users to remove choice of init system and force them to use one made only with gnome in mind?

>>62446030
Sorry but no.

It's always YOU who is making duplicate threads. Look what happened when /fglt/ died, we all started using /flt/. We didn't make another /fglt/.

You do the same. Stop being a baby.

>>62440833
>Isn't it the undeniably best desktop distro for advanced users?
Kek, no. Void, Gentoo, Alpine, NixOS and even Fedora are better alternatives.

>>62446171
>call other people babies
>gets assmad when someone makes a new thread a little before the new old one hits bump limit

>>62446136
It's inductive because there are no other reasonable explanations.

>>62446144
Users can use whatever desktop they want. They can use one that doesn't depend on systemd. The Gnome devs are autistic so I can't defend their actions.

>>62446223
Prove it or stop spreading lies.

>>62446288
How do I prove that software devs add features that they want? Prove that you're not a figment of my imagination.

>>62446201
You made a duplicate thread.

As far as you know I'm 100% neutral because as I stated /fglt/ used /flt/ when /fglt/ died. But /flt/ seems to refuse to use /fglt/ when /flt/ dies and would rather throw a tantrum creating a duplicate thread.
So in fact you're the one who is mad.

>>62446318
>How do I prove that software devs add features that they want?

That's not what I asked you to prove. I asked you to prove that "Systemd added new features that software devs wanted"

>>62446387
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530

>>62445742
Run `startx` once logged in.

>>62445844
Yes. Just change the four lines in your config file.

>>62446445
Have you actually read those or did you just searched them and pasted a link? It doesn't responds what I've asked you

kmail development died? i can only see kmail4 in kde neon repository. :(

>>62440833
Yes, Arch is objectively the best distro. The people saying it's bad fall into one of three categories: 1) brainlet retards, 2) people that haven't tried Arch, and 3) people that use Arch and don't want to share.