Intel Covfefe Lake price just leaked http://techreport.com/n

these extra two cores will cost you 70 more dollars, goy.
now come, open your mouth, my stomach hurts.

>>62330294
BUT WHY?
I can get 1600 for <$200.

>>62330294
did they actually believe they can compete with those prices and without HT on anything BUT i7s?

lol
lol
LOL
lol
lol

>people thought Intel would take a hit to its margins

Hehehe

>>62331135
Fucking kikes.

>>62331135
A sensible business would in the face of fierce competition.


Sensible business, not Intel.

>>62330294
Even higher than the Canadian retailer price leak. WTF is going on, Intel? https://videocardz.com/72147/intel-core-8th-gen-coffee-lake-cpus-listed-for-back-order

>>62330294
>paying 400 European pesos for some crushed sand

Can someone bring Otellini back?
Or better, fucking resurrect Noyce.

For the first time in many, many years AMD got competent management and now they're fucking crucifying Intel.

Wow, $100 more than a 7700k you can get right now.
At best it will be some 5% faster in games if the game can use more than 8 threads.
Otherwise it might actually lose in a few shitty coded games.

>>62330294
+20% price increase. Fucking hell.

>>62330294
>200 euros for i3
LMAO

>>62331241
Gotta keep 60% margins somehow.

>ryzen 7 1700
>270 usd
Bye bye intel

>>62331169
I doubt Intel will have to worry too much about its marketshare. In games it will still outperform AMD by a bit, and a lot of people will be buying them purely based on that, even if it isn't sensible from a price/perf perspective.

>>62331245
Y-you can OC it goy (mobo for OCing costs 150 peso).

>>62331261
>OCing a i3

Who does that

>>62331253
Ryzen sales tell the whole other story.

Still no reason to upgrade from muh 2600k @ 5GHz. It's 6,5 years old lmao

>>62331253
Yes that surely what happens, people buy intel to run games at 145 fps instead of 130 fps on their 60hz monitors.

>>62331349
Not sure if sarcastic or not, because it does happen. AMD sales are good, but Intel had a fuckhuge marketshare which you're not suddenly losing, if only because casuals are used to Intel and still think AMD is garbo.
Just trying to say they're probably not all that retarded. I'm sure they put some thought into their pricing.

>>62331380
Casuals are not buying standalone CPUs.
They are buying 15w craptop shitboxes.

>>62331380
>I'm sure they put some thought into their pricing.

Yeah, a delicate balance of die size(which is 30%+ larger than Kabylake) and 60% gross margins.

>$300 i5
There is no way they can sell for 50% higher price than a Ryzen 5 without multithreading unless they get some massive IPC improvement.
Another $120 more for the multithreaded 6 core is insane.

>>62331349
Don't forget the 1080ti that has a whopping 0.56% marketshare on Steam.

>300 € for the i5
its always us europeans who will get fucked

The "old and hot" skylake-X 6 core is $400+
Why would you think this one is different?

>>62331442
DESU the Canadian retailer leaked prices seem a lot more sane.

i7-8700K 6c12t $380
vs
R7 1700X 8c16t $350

i7-8700  6c12t $320
vs
R7 1700  8c16t $300

i5-8600K 6c6t  $265
vs
R5 1600X 6c12t $250

i5-8400  6c6t  $185
vs
R5 1600  6c12t $200
R5 1400  4c8t  $165

i3-8350K 4c4t  $180
vs
R5 1500X 4c8t  $180

i3-8100  4c4t  $120
vs
R3 1300X 4c4t  $130
R3 1200  4c4t  $110

>>62331253
ryzen is selling like hot cakes i doubt people care for 5 more fps you know

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>>62330294

>>62331491
DELET. IT'S A LIE

So you have to pay a couple of dollars more for a much better CPU compared to Kabylake.
Where's the problem?

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COFFIN LAKE
COFFIN LAKE
COFFIN LAKE

+20%
is that at launch above retail or after launch?

>>62331449

not him, but the steam metrics are not factual because they are optional and not everyone gets them.

I've been a steam user for 13 years and only last week I got a steam hardware survey. I've read about people getting dozens of them on their shitty celeron laptops but none on their gayman computers.

Why can't Valve just gather info from all customers anonymously?

>>62331552
imagine if all the miners had steam

just imagine that

>>62331551
It's from rumored price. So +20% higher than rumored price

>>62330294
FOUR TWENTY
Y
_O
__L
___O

well they burned a lot of money on shills they need to sell them high

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>>62331579

>AMD: 87%
>Nvidia: 11%
>Intel: 2%

i5 7600 already beats the 1600 in single core tasks and Coffee Lake should be 10% faster than Kaby Lakes.

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>>62331891
>>62331891
>single core tasks

>>62331891

10% faster from 300Mhz more base clock

>>62331465
Are we sure the 8600k is 6c6t?

>>62331919
People have been memeing about it since Core 2 Quads were out if not earlier and it's still not true today.
Raw power is still what matters the most and it's not even about games where you are rarely limited by the CPU but more about just normal tasks like simply using your computer, browsing, office work, photoshop, emulation, etc.

>>62331995
Intel being 5% faster in single-threaded tasks in 2017 doesn't matter anymore since both are more than fast enough

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>>62332009
>5%
come now

>>62332009
If only it was 5%

so in terms of prices, basically they renamed potential i9 as i7 and i7 as i5 and i5 as i3 because adding i9 to the series would be seen as they are really defeated with AMD's latest architecure&pricing.


lmao.

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>>62331543

>>62332084
clocked at 5ghz vs 3.9ghz

how the fuck are you not disgusted by monkey soup?

>>62332160
What's the problem? Both are overclocked.

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>coffee lake

you mean coffin lake?

>>62331219
Lately it's more line Intel stabbing itself in the dick repeatedly. AMD doesn't even need to do anything, just release their stuff for an okay price and the rest is done by Intel. Amazing.

>>62332160
Stock vs stock, and that benchmark they probably both hit their ST turbos which would be 4.5GHz vs 4GHz. The 1800X is also more expensive and has less OC headroom than the 7700K.

>>62332198
AMD CPU marketing got much, much better though.
And Intel can't stop stabbing itself in the fuck because they promised 60% margins.

So their response is to put the price up? Lol they are fucked 7nm is ages away for Intel and 10nm is destroyed.

AMD are cucking them with ancient 14nm sub 4ghz chips imagine what 7nm ryzen 2 will do next year I can't wait.

1600 has the best perf/$ ive ever seen

T. 1600x

>>62331891
single core tasks
for real

>>62331318
Ryzen has better ipc and butter multithreaded and in game performance and higher ram speeds

>>62331891
Aww how cute your stuck in 2007 <3 bless

>>62332233
see >>62331995

>>62332240
I wonder..

>>62332258
>your stuck
uhhm sweetie it's spelled "you're".

>>62332160
UMA DELICIA

>>62332233
>>62332258
But single threaded will always stay relevant.

>>62332259
raw power means nothing with the software is NOT agnostic and its better suited for one cpu than the rest

but you already knew that otherwise you wouldnt have said that

>>62332280
yes it is relevant if you are still living in 2005

>>62331891
i5-7600 non-K doesn't have shit on the 1600. Mainly because it can't OC.

Not even the i5-7600K is reccomended anymore. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-ryzen-5-1600-1600x-vs-core-i5-7500k-review

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>>62332270
I guess you could say I'm single threaded when it cums 2 grammar
>>62332280
T. Literally 2000s

Multithreaded performance has been extremely important for well over a decade even in videogames.

Sadly Intel finally crap the bed again and the shills come to whip up their shit every time.

AMD is only going to bounce back harder next year when zen2 and Vega 7nm drops

>>62331891
>Coffee Lake should be 10% faster than Kaby Lakes.
No IPC improvement and you're lucky if there's any clockspeed improvement.

>>62332317
Ipc doesn't matter a shit because of thermal jizz terrible chipsets and stupid 4 core 8 thread in 2017 with crazy thermals and power usage to boot.

Reee lake is the Vega 64 of cpus

>>62332317
last time i did some math on it it ended up being 5% at best over ryzen (clock for clock), which is pathetic really. looks like the jews are gonna be in full damage control this next year

>>62332314
>Multithreaded performance has been extremely important for well over a decade even in videogames
>Meanwhile the 7700K is still untouchable in gaming
really makes you think

>>62332408
>Literally a extra 5 fps over much lower clocked ryzen and similar average fps
Oh wow it's nothing

>>62332408
>Meanwhile the 7700K is still untouchable in gaming
I would go with 1600x + $100(?) more expensive videocard than 7700k and some cheaper videocard desu.

>>62332218
>fellow mobileposter

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>>62332408
>gaming
We'll see why Intel shifted to multicores, more devs will utilize multicores in their video games, if they stop being lazy.

>>62332456
>pajeets in charge of PC ports
>stop being lazy
Does not compute.

>>62332456

when sony introduced their 8 core cpu for ps3 in 2005, devs who adapted to multicore programming made really good money.

>>62332491
CELL was not exactly an 8core CPU.
It only had one actual core.
SPUs were in-order vector processing units (very similar to modified P54 cores employed by Larrabee).

>>62332442
>extra 5 fps
Nice making up numbers again. The difference is appreciable.
>much lower clocked ryzen
>waa waa intel has higher clock speeds, it's not fair
It's completely irrelevant. If you want high clock speeds maybe build an architecture that allows for that.

>>62332447
Sensible choice. The 1600(X) is great value. I don't know why some people can't be content with that, instead of insisting that Intel does not have a significant singlethreaded advantage.

>>62332160
post the results of the 1800x at 5ghz then

>>62332519
I am very content with my 1600x

Only thing it struggles with is cemu but botw ran shit on everything

Whats the master plan of intel?

>>62332597
Preservation of 60% margins at any cost.

>>62332597
Just do their usual thing and stay on top.
They can keep rehashing haswells for 5 more years and will still be faster than Zen X

>>62332612
>unironically eating monkey

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>>62332612
everything's fine intel is safe lalalalalala can't hear you

>>62332612
They can't keep rehashing against a die shrink, anon. Now I don't believe for a second Zen 2 will hit 5GHz but it'd be pretty gud already if they could manage 4.5.

@62332616
@62332635
Benchmarks
don't
lie

>>62332651
If Intel's 14+ manages to hit 5ghz, why won't much superior process do it?

>>62332597
Crashing their CPU with no delidding

>>62332651
By the time Zen 2 is out Intel will have Cannonlake.

>>62332676
SLOWER
THAN
14NM

>>62332676
Which can't clock as high as their own 14nm node.

>>62332676
Cannonlake is mobile only. Tigerlake is due 2019

>>62332702
You skipped Icelake, which is 10+ and will compete against Zen2.

>>62332661
I don't know why you'd be comparing the two. Ryzen hits a brick wall at 4.1 at best, they simply clock lower.

>>62332651
>I don't believe for a second Zen 2 will hit 5GHz.
Sorry Schlomo, GloFlo already confirmed it.

>>62332714
Ryzen uses a fucking SoC process that was never intended to clock high you braindead BR ape.
7LP is an actual high performance node.

>>62332730
You are getting a bit nervous here my dear AMD shilloïd.

>>62332712
Just mixed Tiger and Icelake. Good luck seeing any desktop 10nm from intel in 2018

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>>62332738

>>62332723
>GloFlo
How can you be this naive? If Intel says their refresh is bringing 10% IPC improvements, do you believe them as well?

>>62331552
Just got one today again on my laptop that I just took out for the first time in months for lecture notes. Haven't gotten one in years and I'd say 9/10 times it's been on a (much less used) laptop.

>>62332739
Icelake is H2 2018 though. Hopefully. Maybe. Before the apocalypse named Zen2 comes.

>>62332702
There will be desktop parks, I guarantee it, they'll be OEM only though.
HP, Dell, Acer, etc - they need a new flashy number for the new years models.

>>62332755
Yes.
Show a time where Intel said 10% IPC improvements and lied about it.

Note: 10% more performance does not mean 10% more IPC.

>>62332755
>l-lies there's lies in whitepapers
>I-Intel fabs stronk goyim no we didn't lose every major customer
(You)

>>62332760
Cannonlake was supposed to be H2 2017 too.

>goyim
>jews
>cuck
>shill
The limited vocabulary of a Ryzen user.

>>62332786
Well they can't let the schedule slip anymore. AMD can also use TSMC's 7nm SoC process for APUs.

>>62332801
Glofo is taping out 7nm this year

>>62332797
>diversity
>diversity
>diversity
>diversity
The limited vocabulary of Brian JUSTnich, CEO of Intel.

>>62332797
>pajeet
>poo
>poorfag
>shill
The limited vocabulary of an Intel user.

>>62332776
>>62332755
Not only this but Glofo said several eyars ago 14LPP would be good for 3Ghz.
There documents today say it's good for 3Ghz.
Ryzen's performance per watt sweetspot is - you guessed it, 3ghz.

Glofo is saying 5GHZ for 7LP.
I believe them, yes.
I also believe that we're going to see FASTER than 5Ghz, as that's going to he be sweetspot, not the wall...

Believe what you want to believe though.

>>62331954
the i3 unlocked variant is 4c4t

And intel doesnt want 4c8t to be that. It would cut into their 6c6t stuff

>>62332810
We're talking HVM. There's always at least half a year between the tapeout and the product appearance on shelves.

>>62331654
Those /pol/ memes about the republican race were comedy gold.

>>62332840
Indeed H2 2018 for Zen2 is reasonable. Good luck for intel fixing 10nm until then

when's zen+

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>>62332855
Intel's 10nm is unfixable. Just look at the fucking mask count.
HOW?

>>62332676
>by the time Cannonlake v2019.3 is out AMD will have Zen 3

>>62332874
I think that was shelved. It's supposed to be Zen with higher clocks thanks to node improvements, still maybe AMD surprises with a few new SKUs in a few months

>>62332875
Not 'unfixable' but pretty shit.
Both GloFo and TSMC will be on Parity with Samsung for their improved processes using EUV.

>>62332874
it's now called zen2 and no sooner than fall next year

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>300-350 euro for an i5 from now on
>1600 for ~200 euro

My sides.

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I want Zen 2 to blow my fucking mind away by BTFOing Intel with better clocks and IPC.

lmao intel

>Buying intel 2017
no

>>62333133
1600 is 215€
7600 is 215€

>>62333253
Meant for OP dumbass.

>>62332786
Cannon was supposed to be q4 2016 lol

>>62333266
How is this relevant, autismo.
The prices aren't even confirmed yet and it will all depend on the perfs anyway.

>>62330294
good old america 419 eu = 420 usd

fucking jews lmao

>>62333290
Yeah and since AMD couldn't provide any alternative to Intel they just didn't have any reason to push it forward.
It's all AMD's fault. Even Intel's jewishness.

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>>62333296
>how is this even relevant

It's the fucking OP which the thread's about, shit for brains. Now, don't reply to me or your Wife's son again.

LMAOO INTELLLLLLLLL

>>62333307
>they didn't have any reason
They wanted to put it out, but their shit 10nm process prevented it.
That's why we have kaby and coffee instead or sky -> cannon

>>62333334
How is this relevant, autismo.
The prices aren't even confirmed yet and it will all depend on the perfs anyway.

>>62333347
OP here. It's from European retailers. So most likely it will be priced like that in Europe. Unless Intel changed their mind later

>>62332831
how is it possible for 7LP to not burst into flames at 5ghz when 14LP couldn't

>>62333458
It's more power efficient

>>62333458
Because that's how die shrinks work.

>>62333458
Different nodes with different fmax targets.
Are you dumb, anon?

>>62333493
>Die shrink
Why?
I thought the point of smaller processes was to fit more shit on the same die.

>>62333500
>different nodes with different fmax targets
I don't know what this means.

>>62333510
Which means less heat... Come on anon, you can figure it out.

>>62330294
Overpriced housefire garbage.

DOA
O
A

>>62333458
Completely different process with different characteristics. The node shrink doesn't have too much to do with it.
Same reason why Qualcomm's S4 Pro clocked at 1.4 GHz at 1.2V while the 805 clocked at 2.6 GHz at 1.1 V while basically being the same architecture.
Both were manufactured at one of TSMC's 28nm processes, but the S4 was a low power process while the 805 was a higher clocking one.

>>62332661
The slides say 5 GHz base clock, not OC on water. Which sounds too good to be true.

>>62333549
>Which means less heat
How? If you put twice as many transistors on the same size die and then try to run it faster why wouldn't it be hotter?

>>62333627
>die shrinks are too good to be true
Whoa. Impossible!

>>62333642
>twice as many transistors
but it's the same size, more transistors because each of them is smaller

>>62333643
I'm not against the idea, you silly anonqt, I hope it's true. But it's a pretty big jump compared to the current gen.

>>62330294
>420 burgers for 6c/12t
C O F F I N L A K E
O
F
F
I
N

L
A
K
E

>>62333663
>just from shitty SoC process to actual HP one is big
No fucking shit.

ITT: amd poorfags

>>62333627
5ghz is the norm on a perfect design
but given how amd will probably use the space for ipc improvements and vectors meme i doubt we gonna see it probably 4.5ghz at max base clock

>>62333662
But there are still more things producing heat.

>>62333692
>more things
half the size
a transistor the size of a fridge doesn't produce the same heat as one the size of a hair

>>62333689
>>62333678
But dude, even 4.5 base is huge, it will be able to OC 5.5 out maybe 6 GHz! That's huge even compared to Intel.

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>>62331251
>1700 8c/16t
>270 usd

>>62333740
yes but hoping for 5ghz base is utopia can you imagine 5 base 6 the norm and 6.5under water and 9 max if binned on ln2?

>>62333774
I c-can't. It could almost run Crysis!

>>62333728
I'm not understanding how that's possible though. If I take 40 resistors and shrink them so I can fit 80 in the same spot it will produce more heat.

>>62333688
This. It's like nvidia vs ati. It doesn't matter how much you force your housefire meme, the benchmark results won't change.

>>62333740
>it will be able to OC 5.5 out maybe 6 GHz
Is this zealot serious?

>>62333832
1 jumbo glass or 2 glasses with half the volume each? which has more water?

>>62333689
>5ghz is the norm on a perfect design
Even the 9590 didn't reach 5GHz base. And that was housefire tier without being able to blame it on shitty TIM.

>>62333878
Same amount of water.

>>62333893
yes but 7nm that amd is using has ibm black magic on it
you cant compare anything to it basicly

>>62333832
It takes less power to switch on, it's that simple.

>>62333878
How is that the same thing? If I take a volume of 3M HCl and react it with water and then do the same with 6M HCl it will produce more heat because there are more things happening in the same volume. Why doesn't that apply to transistors being made more concentrated?

>q-quadcores are totally fine in the current year
>i-im fine with paying more for more pcie lanes

>>62333867
Cherrypicked 7700k's can already get to 5.2-5.3. 7LP is double node jump (perf wise) for AMD.

>>62333955
Smaller transistors use less energy

>>62333972
But you pay less for more pci lanes, since AMD chips have more of them, not Intel ones.

>>62333994
They'd have to use much, much less to run at even the same speed when doubled though, right?

>>62333972
But Quad Cores ARE totally fine especially when your cores run faster than the competition.

>>62334061
Then why coffee lake exists?
4 cores are fine.

>>62334061
Really? Does your quadcore unpack a rar faster than ryzens? Hmmm.
>muh single core speed
Yeah, those extra 4 fps in call of doody sure seals the deal!

>>62333867
7LP is targeting 5GHz. 14LPP is targeting 3GHz and Ryzen hits over 4GHz on it.

>>62334056
that's the point, they use much, much less energy

7nm is 1/4th the size of 14nm

>>62334070
Because memes. If memes can make money, companies will use them.
AMD though doesn't have a choice, without the "moar cores" meme they are nothing.

>>62334061
Quad cores were fine in 2009, they aren't fine anymore. Unless you're someone who eats out of a trash can.

>>62334102
Nope but I don't unrar multi GB shit every hour.
Most of the basic tasks you do on your computer aren't multithreaded.

>>62334130
Oh that makes more sense then. Thanks for putting up with my stupidity.

>>62334164
>Most of the basic tasks you do on your computer aren't multithreaded.
Most basic tasks you do on your computer also don't need more than a core 2 duo.

>>62334160
Not even in 2009 you needed a quad core.
Nowadays your 4+ core cpu will only shine in pointless benchmark-like tasks like video encoding and unraring.
And the more cores your cpu has the less per-core performance you get (lower clocks usually, less boost overclocking).

>>62334182
Exactly.

>>62334160
>they aren't fine anymore
My constant 2-3 idle cores say otherwise.

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Ryzen 3 1200 beats everything from Intel under $200 in just about every situation: https://youtu.be/YpL-24H_w4I

The 1200's Cinebench score is higher than even an i5-7500.

It'll be interesting to see how Coffee Lake turns out, but I fully expect it to be another Kaby Lake; more expensive for similarly poor performance and even worse price:performance.

>>62334201
Facebook machines don't count, perma btfo tripfag.

>>62334212
>Ryzen 3 1200 beats everything from Intel under $200 in just about every situation
Literally not true
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review/8

>>62334186
You did need a quad core in 2009 if you wanted to use your computer.
Like, okay, I can use the core duo CPU in my laptop even today and I can also play games on that laptop, but doing that is torture.

>>62334201
I sometimes leave a computer I don't use running too, but that's a really stupid thing to say.

>>62334201
They're idle because they died after stuttering so much.

>>62334249
>Like, okay, I can use the core duo CPU in my laptop even today and I can also play games on that laptop, but doing that is torture.
What are you even talking about. Even if you launch 6 millions VMs while letting your favourite mmo idling in the background while encoding your anime webms while transcoding touhou remixes while shitposting in desktop threads you still don't need a quad core to make your experience silky smooth.

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>>62334239
No, literally true. If you don't overclock the 1200, yeah it's not as fast as Intel. But that's like saying a Porsche is slower than a Civic, as long as you limit both cars to 1200RPM.

After overclocking the 1200 shits all over Intel.

>>62334330
>AMDfags crying over "m-muh b-budget processor!"
kys

>>62334349
You sure showed him.

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>>62334330
My dude, a pentium g4560 is like 66€, a ryzen 1200 is 110.

So wait does this fit the 170x socket (currently have 6700k) or do I need a new mobo too?

>>62334349
>giving money to jews
You first fag

>>62334362
You mean 90€

>>62334231
Its actually a workstation with a Gentoo VM with video transcoding that I also game on.

Always 2 idle cores.

I would much rather have Intel's vastly superior support and single thread speed.

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>>62334372
AHAHAHAH

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>>62334349
lol, get mad

>>62334362
g4560 is $90-$100 in the US: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA96K6BC8633&cm_re=g4560-_-19-117-743-_-Product

Literally only $10 less than the 1200, and significantly slower.

You keep posting data from that bullshit article where THEY DID NOT OVERCLOCK THE 1200. Those results are just invalid. That'd be like disabling 2 cylinders on a car and saying "yeah look how slow it is"! No shit it's slower when you don't fully utilize the capabilities.

>>62334382
Good for you, I don't want intel's stuttery cores.

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>>62334359
>>62334376
>amd faggots desperately clinging to the one area where intel doesn't completely destroy them
pic is literally you

>>62332219
>7nm
>next year
in what galaxy

>>62334408
overclocking isn't the same on all chips, so you're wrong for saying the 1200 is faster. It's not. It's slower. Just because some youtube faggot got his to 4ghz doesn't mean everyone can.

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>>62334468
Trump timeline galaxy

>>62334326
You have literally never tried doing what you just described. That will DESTROY a quad core CPU. I'd even feel that on my Xeon. One of the very reasons I upgraded from my i5 was because I couldn't multitask at all. In games my performance was just fine and I could have continued using the i5 for a long time.

Also for a number of VMs that exceeds 1 or 2 you'd need ridiculous amounts of RAM. I've run low on 32GB.

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>>62334408
At 3.9GHz it might beat intel cpus in synthetic benchmarks, but it's still worse for games for example.
But yeah, if I had to make a budget config I'll definitely get a Ryzen. I'm waiting to see how Coffee Lake performs but there's a very high chance I'll go with a poorfag quad core ryzen and invest the saved money in a GPU instead.

>I couldn't multitask
Of course. 2 cores means you can ONLY run 2 applications at the same time.

>>62334523
see
>>62334330
amd beats intel in games too

>>62334523
>2 cores is enough for games
Literally end yourself

>>62334545
Why do you amd cry babies keep pushing (((ryzen))) so fucking hard?

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>>62334548
Nobody cares about cores or the CPU for games.
Even a shitty pentium can run everything just fine as long as you have a good GPU.

>>62334557

Because it's literally cheaper and faster than Intel's processors. See posts:

>>62334330
>>62334212

>>62334625
Only if you are completely poor and stupid.
Poor because can only afford a sub $100 cpu.
And stupid for relying on 800Mhz overclocking (of course using the stock fan because can't afford anything better).

>>62334666
Since when is overclocking stupid?

>>62334666
>spending less money and also getting an objectively better processor is stupid

Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>62334676
Since when it's used on a super-budget CPU in order to save money.

>>62334684
It's a fucking gamble. You don't get +800Mhz on with a stock cooler.

>>62334666
>o-overclocking is stupid ..

Intelfags last stand?

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>*NEW* Locked platform features don't matter!
>*NEW* Synthetic loads don't matter!

>>62334715
>Underperforming CPUs do matter!
Typical AMD user.

>>62334691
Ah, yeah, saving money is stupid.

>>62334764
Yes retard because it won't save you any money if you can't get it past +200Mhz.
And if you have to buy a cooler then you won't be saving any money.

>>62332714
threadripper clocks at 4.2
with 14+ and better binning they might reach 4.5 to combat coffe lake

>>62334779
Why would you not get it past +200MHz? They all clock to 3.8GHz on stock cooler.
Maybe you should look in the mirror before calling others retarded, because you seem to be 100% tech illiterate.

>>62334699
>You don't get +800Mhz on with a stock cooler.

Right.

It's +900MHz.

https://youtu.be/VIXcJv5sXrU

>>62334699
lol all ryzens overclock to 4ghz on the stock cooler, while still running cool

/g/ mods needs to purge these shitty Intel vs AMD threads. Nothing but shilling and continuous arguments over nothing.

>>62331135
margins or market share, which is more important?

>>62334926
Mind share.

>>62332831
You should take some grains of salt when talking about an IBM led litho process meant to be used for IBM's POWER9 insanity.

A 19 metal layer ultramassive POWER chip is meant for 5Ghz, and that doesnt necessarily mean other 7nm designs will be.
My wager is high end Zen2 will come out of the box capable of 4.2-4.5Ghz, with maybe 10-15% OC potential for water cooling.

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>>62334468
This galaxy, friend.

>Design kits are available now, and the first customer products based on 7LP are expected to launch in the first half of 2018, with volume production ramping in the second half of 2018.

https://www.globalfoundries.com/news-events/press-releases/globalfoundries-track-deliver-leading-performance-7nm-finfet-technology

Mommy Su has already confirmed that Zen 2 is 2H 2018.

>>62334715
The intelcuck logic list is only getting bigger

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>*NEW* Locked platform features don't matter!
>*NEW* Synthetic loads don't matter!
>*NEW* Burnt pins don't matter!

>>62335099
Price doesn't matter either.
Overclocking is stupid.

>>62335099
>*NEW* Burnt pins don't matter!

Hahaha what? I haven't heard about this one yet.

>>62335019
You're seriously underestimating 7LP.

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>>62335049

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>>62335631
Is it just me or is AMD's CEO (or president or whoever that is) really feminine? He needs to like, grow a mustache or something.

>>62330294

Are they still going to use toothpaste as TIM? Fucking hell, Intlel. Seething I didn't go large on AMD stock a year ago.

>>62335656
they're a female

>>62335688
wot

>>62335706
Mama Su is a woman

>>62335158
Honestly ocing did make a lot of sense growing up in 1990s, but these days I honestly don't really see a reason to hard OC. I far prefer stability than 10-20 more frames when games are already north of 100+ at all times.

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>>62335717
my pee pee is confused

>>62335656
>>62335706
Dude...

>>62335656
Yeah, she is quite feminine.

>>62334408
>picks the most clear cut analogy ever
>pretends to be retarded and compares out-of-spec improving with deliberately crippling
There's a reason non-autistic mature people buy sportcars instead of ricing 3k civics. No, this isn't a defense of Intel, just pointing out your blatant mental retardation.

>>62335870
If there's one of us here with mental retard, that would is you, you big fag

>>62335665
That's confirmed already, the 18 core sample was delidded.

>>62331318

I'm in the same boat but I'm noticing that I need more cores now. I can't do anything else while gaming.

>>62335975
What else do you fucking people need to do while playing god damn games?

>>62335301

Something about Skylake-X on the X299 platform literally letting the smoke out.

>>62335656

Did you just assume xirs gender.


>>62335931

Wasn't that Kabylake X or Skylake X? It's been such a clusterfuck I've just let it flow over me.

>>62336051
Skylake-x. But if they don't solder their 3000$ top cpu, they won't solder their lowend 300$ one either.

>>62335988

Since I have a Ryzen 1700, I play a game until i become bored of it. Then, I alt tab out instead of closing it and start a different game. I often
even have my browser running in the background with numerous tabs.

That's comfort.

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>>62336147
>leaving a game running the background
>while playing another game

How barbaric.

>>62334362
66...
i heard its 19.99

>>62336058

Good point.


>>62336147

Living the high-life, anon.

the only reason covfefe lake exists is because gayby lake and frylake-x can't compete with ryzen. either this rumor isn't painting the whole story and the finnish prices aren't indicative of the launch prices elsewhere, or it's complete bullshit.

>>62333878
You mean which has higher volume of water per volume of glass, no?

>>62334164
>Most of the basic tasks you do on your computer aren't multithreaded.
>browsers are multithreaded
>office suites are multithreaded
>some games are multithreaded
That's 90% of SOHO's use.

I honestly don't think for a second zen2 will have a 5.0ghz base clock.
Zen's process clocks low because it's power efficient.
You can't have a 5.0ghz base clock and not become a house fire.

This 8700k however, will have a 0% IPC gain.
But it has higher single core boost clocks and 2 extra cores.
The extra 2 cores will definitely help, as the 7700k's biggest issue was simply the core count.

>>62340809
Are you fucking retarded?
It's a full fucking node shrink.

>>62332875
Can't wait for EUV

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>>62334676
Since 1998 when a 50% overclock was possible, computers were actually expensive, and normal workflows were significantly CPU limited in some respect.

Overclocking today is retarded. Why the fuck would I sacrifice ANY amount of system reliability for 5-10% on a component that isn't bottlenecking 99% of my tasks anyway.

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>>62334201
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>62339057
>browsers are multithreaded
Really?
I built a i3 system for my parents and it was way faster than my 2600k doing simple tasks like Google searches and youtube.
That i3 had an fairly large IPC advantage and only 2 cores.

>>62330294
>i7 price
DUDE WEED LMAO

>>62341230
>Overclocking today is retarded
Tell that to my 2700k.
Going from 3.8ghz to 4.7ghz nets a huge gain of almost 20% in some games.
And reduces my render times by quite a lot.

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>>62341530
>I bought an i7 because I hate value.
You could have bought an i5, put the money you saved in an investment, and bought an i5 7500 today. Then you wouldn't even need to worry about whether application crashes were a result of your borderline-stable overclock, or whether they were just the result of shitty software.

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>>62341599
>buying a locked processor

>>62332611
WITH NO MARKETSHARE

/g/ must be getting awful nervous about the release of Coffee Lake if they're starting to tout leaked european prices as fact.
Intel isn't stupid, /g/ likes tell themselves that, but that just isn't the case. AMD caught Intel off guard with Zen, but they'll adjust. Let's not jump the gun here and wait until Intel actually announces the prices before we start heckling.

>>62331465
8700k vs 1600
$380 vs $200
115% vs 100% singlethread performance
110% vs 100% multithread performance

Almost double the price for that. The only people buying these are going to be clueless retards, OEM's, and intel fanboys.

>>62342522
>The only people buying these are going to be clueless retards, OEM's, and intel fanboys.
In other words, 80% of the market

>>62342522
Great comparison. How about compare the fucking Ryzen *R5* to the Core i5, the segment it's obviously meant to compete against. Everyone who's not a retard knows the i7 is not a good value.

>>62332875
Did Intel lose alot of money on 10nm? If so that makes me really happy

>>62335099
Remember when their wafer thin die snapped under aftermarket coolers? Add that to the list lol

>>62342569
Nah, the idea of Intel producing a viable competitor to Zen is too spooky for me

>>62342569
Why compare it to an i5 when it's basically an i7 for half the price already?

>>62342663
>Nah, the idea of Intel producing a viable competitor to Zen is too spooky for me

They did like three years ago.

>>62340830
My earlier post and that guy's are trying to say that regardless of how high the process can let the arch clock, it's very likely AMD will not release chips which push to the limit for marketing and power efficiency.

Regardless of Zen2 reaching or exceeding 5Ghz clocks, AMD will only clock chips that high if competition demands it. Athlon XP and Athlon 64 had a few hundred Mhz of room across the product spectrum but they did not need those higher clocks to compete with PentiumFire 4

>>62342684
Are you trying to say that Haswell i5s are competitive with Ryzen?

Anyone know if this shit will work on windows 7?

>>62342814
I'm saying that Ivybridge is.

>>62330294
>i5 8600k is $300

Closest competition is the R7 1700. The i5 will win in "muh gayming", but the R7 will obliterate it in productivity.

>i7 8700k is $420

Closest competition is the 1800X. Same story as with the i5, "muh gayming" faggots will jerk themselves off over the single threaded performance, but the 1800X (and really, any OC'd 1700) will STILL be faster in productivity tasks.

>inb4 "MUH OC"

After you add on the $120 240mm AIO you're going to need to hit the OC you want, we're talking $550 for the 8700k, not including the motherboard price.

>>62342845
dont belive /g/'s lies all windows are botnet since 2000 onward

10 is fine

>>62342854
>>62342814
My bad those processors were released 5 years ago not 3. So yeah, Intel made processors that compete with ryzen 5 years ago.

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>>62330294
>another leaked price meme in the current millenium

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>>62342854
>>62342913
>18% higher overclock
>massively higher power draw

Should I compare price competitive Ivy and Haswell models instead of feature competitive?

>>62342930
Compare whatever you want I don't give a shit.

AMD releases a processor with the single thread performance of 5 year old Intel processor, you've lost too many brain cells choking on AMD's cock.

>>62343044
You're the absolute moron for equating Intel's capability to create market specialized lines of CPUs with AMD's first punch back with a sever-oriented all encompassing design.

Every price competitive AMD model destroys Intel's counterpart with mixed-load and full-load usage.

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>>62343066
>getting into a slapfight over normalshit CPU companies and not using IBM POWER9

You should both be embarrassed

>>62335656
Hahahhaha

>>62331253

With the recent agesa updates, the gap between the Ryzen 1700 and the 7700k have melted down to ~2%.
In anything that runs multithreaded workloads really well, Intel shits the bed.

Intel can try to keep their margin, but they'll lose so much volume that I don't think it will be feasible for long. If AMD actually deliver on 7nm 5 ghz CPUs in 2018, there will not be a single reason to buy Intel CPUs for at least 3 years after that.

>>62331465

The i7 lines prices might actually make sense IF they have the higher clocks consistently across all cores so the gamers might eat them up.

Everything below that is still obliterated by Ryzen, because Intel is too retarded to offer HT on all products now.

So basically, i5 and i3 only stand a chance of they are super energy efficient, i.e. don't draw a lot of power and don't really get hot. Which I seriously doubt

>>62331891

10%? Like the 15% from the 6700k to the 7700k that were actually ~1%?

You don't really believe that, do you?

>>62332280

Is complete delusion the only thing that makes people still consider Intel as a good cpu producer?

>>62345026
I don't know what you are trying to say because there's nothing wrong with that statement.
A lot of the things you do on your desktop, things you run, will only be using 1 core. Hell disregarding more casual use, a ton of heavier workloads have a significant non parallalizable parts as well.

>>62330322
muh CLAWKS

>>62342617
Oh yes, like at least half of their yearly R&D budget goes into fabs.
They are literally thowing BILLIONS onto absolutely woeful shit that is their 10nm.
I wonder how butthurt Intel maketing will be about 7LP.

>>62342792
5ghz is supposedly it's peak efficiency point. At least one SKU will boost to 5ghz I assure you.

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>>62344919
It's an even more severe bloodbath in the server sector with Epyc vs Xeon. Can't wait to see what dirty shit Intel will pull

>>62345518
Right now the only dirty shit Intel pulls is retarded segmentation. And it results in three hyperscalers switching to AMD.

>>62345490
why are americans so fucking retarded that they can't use "its" and "it's" properly? what fucking mental illness is this? same goes for "their", "they're", "your", "you're" etc

>>62345550
>t. a*glo

>>62345161

You do realise that while technically true, your OS always runs more processes than you have cpu cores and spreading the load across multiple cores / threads results in smoother performance? Also, please name tasks that really only use one thread because I really doubt that what you run only uses one thread. And don't come up with shitty emulators.

Any compute heavy tasks are heavily multithreaded and no matter how much you give in to delusions, this will still stay true despite your mental gymnastics

>>62345518
double decked cpu's

you cant say intel isnt innovating

>>62345464
Answer is very.

So their gonna be stuck on 14nm shit while amd is on 7nm hahababa