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>>62303678
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NEWS
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Intel's 8th generation (Coffee Lake) to be reportedly launched on 5th of October.

Finnish prices (including 24% VAT):
- Core i3-8350K: 199 € = ~$193 USD
- Core i5-8600K: 299 € = ~$290 USD
- Core i7-8700K: 419 € = ~$406 USD

>>62303762
Sauce?

Are ASUS GPUs good?

>>62303826
Any specific ones you looking at?
I've heard good things in heneral but no firsthand experience.

>>62303852
DUAL-GTX1060-O6G

Literally the only GTX 1060 6GB available in Mexico.

>>62303876
Oh wait, GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD is available too,

>>62303816
https://www.io-tech.fi/uutinen/intelin-coffee-lake-prosessoreiden-myynti-alkaa-5-lokakuuta/

I sort of want to build a pc for
(1) running MCMC on a graphics card
(2) hosting my own shitty website
I don't know if (1) is possible and if (2) is a good idea

>>62303678

Mommy

>>62303762
>i7-8700K
i7 is a processor series and 8700K is a model designation, right? Should I just compare how many Ghz a processor can perform? Is there a reason I should care about model number?

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Any estimations of perfs for covfefe lakes?

Kinda meh on the early Z370 boards, which are really just rebadged Z270s, kicked out the door early to respond to Ryzen.
The actual new CFL/CNL boards will be Q1 2018, with features like built in 802.11, Bluetooth, SD controllers, etc.

I understand they want CFL out as fast as possible but it makes the lineup a mess.

>>62303970
>Should I just compare how many Ghz a processor can perform?

With Intel in particular it's important to read into the thermals and the bullshit involved in making their chips function properly. With the i7 7700K they mass-produced a series of chips with the cheapest thermal solution they could manage, so the chips run at like 90* and people have been putting the damn things in vices to pop the covers off and apply better thermal solutions.

It isn't all about the hertz.

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Starting buying parts to my first pc , I have the tower, GPU and I just bought the CPU yesterday from new egg. I just want it for gaming and such. Opinions on it? Ik about coffee lake maybe I shoulda waited for it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nightlyskill/saved/J2VYrH

>>62303678
>ugly computer taste next to an uglier woman
>hot.jpg
shit taste

>>62304024
>covfefe
>XD

>>62304061
Shit SSD, get a better one.
850 EVO for example.

>ASUS Z270 and I5-7600K with a Zotac GTX 1050Ti
or
>MSI B250 Mortar and I5-7500 with a ASUS GTX 1060 6GB
?

Its for gaming mostly, the user will be tech illiterate so i doubt he will OC.

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>>62304056
Humorously, people tried the same shit with Ryzen thinking that delidding was the new KOOL SKOOL MODDING CRAZE. Unfortunately for them, Ryzen is properly soldered for thermal transfer and so delidding them destroys the chip.

>>62304071
uwu mr. butthurt amd homo don't you quote me or my posts ever again

>>62303762
so the 8700k looks to be roughly 20% faster than a 1600 in multi tasking for a whopping 100% more, and it'll still lose to a 1700 in multithreaded workloads for a whole 30% more
holy shit what are they doing

>>62304099
second one then

>>62303762
>>62304114
and beyond that price wise a i3 now competes with a fucking r5, 6c/12t to 4c/4t, for the same price
holy shit boys its fucking happening

>>62303082
I don't have many recent AAA titles desu

All games on ultra:
Hand of Fate (setting target fps to 120 gave me 165, other options gave me between 60 and 600)
Crysis 2 (easily 1000+ fps)
Just Cause 2 (don't forget to turn off bullet holes and decals, having them on can crash the game)
Skyrim Legendary edition with high res textures and a few mods (59fps was the lowest I ever went, and it was right after starting the game)
Honey Select (didn't use an fps counter but it ran great)
ADR1FT (iirc I was getting 165fps stable)

On a side note, has anyone ever successfully played EVENT[0] without frame dips? It maxes out all 16 threads and the 1080ti and even when I turn a few settings down it runs at around 80fps with drops. It must be the most unoptimized game ever.

>>62303970
>Should I just compare how many Ghz a processor can perform?
god no, you can't compare performance between CPUs just by numbers or the amount of cores/threads. the only way is to check various benchmarks.
if you're looking to buy a cpu and don't know which one to pick just post here.

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served me well for some 9 years only having replaced the gpu a single time, but i think its time to move on

rest in pieces sweet prince

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>Delidding is basically removing the top of the skull and pouring shit into a computer's brain

>>62304065
are you gay

>>62304081
it's not shit, in real world performance you wouldn't even notice a difference between these two, but since the price of 850 evo has dropped, he might as well get it. in some countries samsung drives are seriously overpriced and not worth considering.

>>62304099
neither. ryzen shits on both and costs same as the i5 7500 platform.

>>62304114
>>62304136
wait for benchmarks. don't waste your time speculating.

>>62304232
im not waiting for benchmarks, i already have a 1700 that performs quite well for my use. only upgrade i would consider right now is to threadripper, simply because im running out of lanes

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>>62304174
my pc is even shitter and i can't wait to get a new one, though i don't know if that'll happen this year. handles source games fairly well (~50fps with fps configs and minimal settings).

>>62304174
Damn, a Sapphire HD78XX? You chose well.

>>62304253
myself i'm waiting for i5 8600k. if it performs better than 7700k while costing less it'll be a nice upgrade from >>62304264.

>>62304174
The CPU is severely bottlenecked for gaming.

>>62304056
Is overheating still an issue if I won't overclock?
>>62304141
>can't compare performance between CPUs just by numbers or the amount of cores/threads.
Why not? All I care about is how many simulations I can run at a time and how long they will take.
>check various benchmarks
What kind of benchmarks should I look at?

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>>62304340
>Is overheating still an issue if I won't overclock?
They run hot even stock. The cooler hardware runs, the longer it lasts.

>>62304289
>>62304334
it replaced a GTX 360 that fried

have had zero problems with it, and as i recall from when i bought it was reasonably priced too

>>62304264
having to turn down youtube videos down to 480p because 720 lags out the processor and RAM is annoying

the good thing about being a mega jew / poorfag, is when you finally upgrade your shit, you are literally jumping a decade forward in technology

>>62304340
>Why not?
because there are shitloads of factors that have an effect on cpu performance, including the overall architecture which you can't just compare without having an extensive knowledge about cpus in general.
>What kind of benchmarks should I look at?
depends on your usage. since you mentioned running multiple simulations at the same time, you'd probably benefit from cpu with a high amount of cores/threads.
for example: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-10.html

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>>62303678
Dropping at 6PM today boys
my site is patch dynamics, jewgle it

If I were to have the opportunity to get it for free, is there any reason not to get a fully-equipped Threadripper rig w/ ECC memory?

>>62304099
What part of
>no i5 unless discounted
Don't you understand?

>>62304441
>having to turn down youtube videos down to 480p because 720 lags out the processor
that's weird, my pc is marginally worse but that doesn't happen (unless you mean watching videos while having literally anything else in the background).

>>62304556
720 can work to some extend, by mine chokes on 1080p thats for sure

>>62304535
>is there any reason not to get a few thousand of $$$ for free?
gee anon, i dunno

>>62304580
yeah i watch 720p60 since my res is 1280x1024.

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>>62304535
>for free

>>62304232
>are you gay
yes

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I've set up some PCPP perameters for a 2560x1440p monitor. Based on the results in the following link, what monitor should I consider? Should I pass on all of them? Ideally, I'd like to get a 1440p IPS monitor with >5ms response time and 75 or 90hz, with solid color representation. I'd like to spend >$250, but I have no problem buying used if it's in good condition.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=256001600,256001440&T=1,5&H=60,240&B=300,500&p=1&i=50&W=2500,2700&X=0,35552

I just want to know what my options are.

>>62304114
>i-it's only 20% faster!!!

>>62304264
pop a 771 e5450 in there with a sticker mod. $20
matching 4gb ram kit $10
and the $60 r7 360 of pcpp (in between 1030 and 1050 perf) you could play modern(ish) games on that dino. a 6870 for $30 or less would also do decent at around gt1030 levels but less vram.

>>62303762
>>62304027
These things are why I'm so damned itchy. I want to buy now, get in on some Ryzen, but MAYBE Intel will have something? I guess? I'm gonna be mighty disappointed if I buy now and get shafted, but on the other end if I wait until next year for another jizz-lidded fiasco I'm going to lose my shit.

>>62304690
>20% faster
>costs twice as much
>no stock cooler
>more expensive mobos
>a housefire

>>62304720
yeah i know about 771 xeons, but i don't feel like it's worth investing any money into it anymore. i've used it for past 8 years, what's another 3-4 months?

>>62304749
intel will be more expensive, that's for sure. you're looking into ~15% more performance for 50% higher price and a worse upgrade path.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/CJJVVY

r8

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Remember Kidz
Buy only modular PSU

>>62304535
How would you get that for free anon?

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>1440p 144Hz G-Sync monitor with GTX 1070 in a PCI-E x4 Slot

How well will this work?

>>62304812
And so we have finally reached the final step of the AMD damage control cycle. They now resort to just pointing out that it's cheaper than Intel.

>>62303678

You're a faggot.

You're assuming that every build bar the poverty build wants multi threading / mixed usage.

i7 beats 1600 for pure gaming, for instance.

Also:
>Good fucking luck even getting a VEGA right now

More like 'who the fuck would even want one unless they're mining, at which point you'd want a 500 series card anyway'.

Speaking of which, the 1000 series cards beat those for gaming too.

What even is this list?

>>62304980
eh... Why though? Why do you have a 1070 in the x4 slot anyway? x16 isn't necessary but at least x8 would be needed.

>>62304401
>>62304514
Thank you both for the information.

>>62303678
would a fucked up GPU cause random restarts/shut downs during normal use?
I was in the last thread where I thought it might be a psu issue but I just want to cover my bases before replacing

>>62305147
yes and no. Does your PC offer integrated graphics? Try taking your video card out and running off the iGPU to see if the stutter/restarts still occur. Then that would point to your PSU.

What's your build?

>>62305109
It doesn't work in the primary slot. I can only get display in the secondary slot. I will probably RMA the motherboard at some point, but for now I really want that 1440p 144hz.

getting the msi x370 sli plus (120$) for ryzen. is it good or should I go for another board?

>>62305164
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccV7VY
here
last thread someone said it could be an issue with the RAM but I ran some tests and got nothing so I still think it could just be the psu

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>>62304990
don't forget intel is a housefire. wait for benchmarks and shut the fuck up.

>>62305054
the list has looked like this for months and i can't be bothered to make any edits, since most of people here don't even bother to read it anyway.
>i7 beats 1600 for pure gaming
only in 1080p, difference being ~15fps. also costs $200 more for the whole platform, which is already dead. if you want intel you should wait for coffee lake.
vega 56 outperforms 1070 and i heard it has nice uv&oc capabilites

>>62305190
you should worry about making sure one of the most important components in your entire build is working properly before buying some ULTIMATE GAYMER ELITE MONITOR NO SCOPE PLACEBO edition.

To answer you question, it will technically work, just not well. You won't be seeing 144FPS in games unless you're playing at much lower settings if you're using x4 pcie speeds.
>>62305235
How many RAM slots does that motherboard have? Is it the model with 2 or 4? Is the CPU power a 4 pin or an 8 pin?

>>62305324
2 slots for ram and I'm pretty sure it's 8 pin

>>62305324
>you should worry about making sure one of the most important components in your entire build is working properly before buying some ULTIMATE GAYMER ELITE MONITOR NO SCOPE PLACEBO edition.

If you knew how much i've had to do already... I'll just say, fuck Zotac.

Just as long as it can run 1440p at about 60FPS for non-AAA games will be fine for now, I just really need a new monitor.

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>Newegg email
>RX570 and RX580 back in stock!
>Click
>at mining prices

>>62303678
Do you think this model of GPU
https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-amp-extreme
for 680€ is good price?

>>62305356
I would say try another motherboard maybe? Because honestly even if that EVGA PSU was only putting out 150w, a stock Ryzen 1400 and 1050ti barely draw 50w at idle. Hell the 2 together probably only draw around 110w under max load.
>>62305407
why is Zotac to blame? I've had plenty of cards from them over the years and honestly, they're on of the better companies. Just get the Motherboard RMA over with. Either that or check to see if your motherboard PCIE settings aren't set to the first slot for some reason.

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>buy 1050 ti yesterday because tired of waiting for 570 to come down in price
>amazon says it will be here on friday
>get a email this morning
>suddenly goes (((out of stock))) and will be here next week

waiting for things is gonna the death of me

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>>62305433
did you expect any different? Welcome to capitalism.

>>62305505
It feels nice to be wealthy enough to get high end parts and avoid the absolute fuckery going on at lower end.

>>62305476
yes, very

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Hey guys quick question. I currently have a 1070 ti, and have been looking to upgrade my cpu. I have a big enough power supply but really sont know the best options for an affordable yet amazing cpu. Ive been running an and 8320 for the past like 3 years and 8gb of ram. Already know what I want dor my ram but having a rough time for my cpu. I so lots of multi tasking and emulation so thst is why I first got my 8320 because it was best at the time. I am open to both amd and Intel and also want good performance outside of emulation and multitasking. Pic is of my cat just 'cause.

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>>62305505
Fuck it. Let's get a /g/-brand chip fab plant working. We can make our own CPUs and GPUs. And we can incorporate somewhere immune to copyright law and steal all of Intel and AMD and NVidia's best ideas. And we can set up a 7-story-tall Command & Conquer style superweapon designed to annihilate cryptocurrencies within the course of an hour.

FUCK EM.

>>62305505
is gonna be the death of me, rather

>>62305433
yeah I just gave up desu, maybe prices will fix after the holidays

>>62305521
you lucky bastard

>>62305543
ryzen 1600 is what you're looking for. affordable and beats competition. cheap b350 board will be around 70$.

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>>62305556
I just bought all of Africa for $5. I plan to enforce that claim.

I shall build a nation. And it will be the greatest nation on Earth.

>>62305644
Why do people recommend the 1600 when 1500x is 30€ cheaper and is usually better where it matters (single threaded tasks).

Is a 1050Ti a worth while step up from a 750Ti or should I wait.

>>62305710
>is usually better where it matters (single threaded tasks).
wrong

ryzen 5 1600 is only €30 more for additional 2c/4t. you simply cannot beat that value

>>62305710
because the 1500X and 1600 are literally the exact same chip except the 1600 has 2 core/4 threads more? That both the 1500x and 1600 cap out at the same clock speed because Ryzen overall OC average is 3.8 to 3.9ghz? Games have already shown to take advantage of more cores lately, so why settle for 4c/8t? If single core is what you're focused on, go buy an i5.

>>62305710
price per core pretty much. it's mostly just a suggestion but if you want to save money than by all means get the 1500x or cheaper

Hey Patch Dynamics guy, if you're lurking I just bought mine. Got the bubble thing. Can't wait for it to arrive, thanks.

>>62305724
it's a good jump.

>>62305644
Thank you ill look into it.

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If I plan on streaming games with nvenc, does hyperthreading still make sense? On a older 1155 h61 motherboard considering i5-2500 vs i7-2600 fwiw. ~50 dollars difference, worth it?

Would getting a Bristol Ridge apu for my lil bros first pc worth it and then later on pairing it with a gpu? just needs to runs cs go/overwatch

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>>62303678
new 4k60hz video playback gpu is in.

>>62306050
Why not a 580?

>>62306197
>Why not a 580?
Fuck you.

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>>62306197
You know why you mining fuck.

>>62306050
>RX 560
Why not get a 1050 ti which is better and a couple bucks more? Unless you have a FreeSync monitor, then I guess it's okay.

>>62306197
because i dont play games on this computer. sold my 470 to my friend. was thinking of getting a 550, but this is better for not much more.

>>62306292
i have a radeon graphics sticker on my case. i dont want to be a liar

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Had to cancel my 1060 3GB because I forgot how shitty shadowplay/nvenc was compared to OBS+VCE. That plus the lack of FreeSync.

>>62304534
Ree, sold out. Took a look at your page and you said about making a 10cm version. Could you leave both, a 7 and 10cm version (3" and 4")?

>Intel's next line-up is Ice Lake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Hqqh3CwXU

what graphics card should i get if im a virgin?

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>>62306385
I don't know what happened to OBS, but I can't use AMD's hardware encoding with it *at all*. The recordings just come out with crazy colors and half corrupted.

I can't get it to work on any setup I have. Not on my RX 480, not on my RX 460, not on my RX 550. I have 3 different computers I've tried it with; an i5-7500 build, G4560, and Ryzen 3 1200, and they all do it.

Radeon ReLive works just fine and doesn't kill performance in games, but its functionality is limited to exclusively capturing a full display. OBS on software encoding (CPU only) does work, but it also drops frame rates by a pretty horrific margin.

Really sucks, because OBS is otherwise a great piece of software. I have no idea why this is happening on 3 separate systems with 3 different graphics cards (and I've tried every combination), and apparently I'm the only one it's happened to. I can't find anyone reporting even "kind of" similar issues through google, reddit, or the OBS forums.

>you live in Europe (EU)
>you have no gaming PC
>you have ~1000 euros to build one
What do you get?

>>62306526
a gaming pc

>>62306526
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/RPrVVY

>>62306609
>rx 570
not in stock my dude. and don't expect 570/580 to have normal price again this year.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/847TKZ

>tfw newegg cancels 80% of my order for no reason

>>62304886
>watercooling
Meme.

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>>62306609
>>62306658
Will these setups be able to max out most new vidya at 1080p@60hz?

Also I've been recommended Ryzen 3 1300X, what's the difference between that and Ryzen 5 1600 for gaming?

>>62306754
Maxed? Probably not. GPU seems too slow for that.
You'd probably be too slow even with a 1060. Cranking up x16 AA on a punishing title would need something like a 1070 at least.

>>62306754
If you plan to record games like that dude few posts up, pretty significant.
r3 series is basically discount i5. They don't even have SMT.

>>62306754
It would be able to play most games at normal, or high settings.

>Also I've been recommended Ryzen 3 1300X, what's the difference between that and Ryzen 5 1600 for gaming?
To understand that, we must first look at the Ryzen 7 chips.
Ryzen 7 chips feature 2 4 core Computer complexes (CCX's for a total of 8 cores and 16 threads) All Ryzen chips start life as Ryzen 7's. Then underperforming cores are deactivated and sold at a lower price.
Ryzen 5 1600 and 1600X are 6 core, 12 thread chips with 1 core per CCX disabled>
The Ryzen 5 1500X has 2 cores per CCX disabled.
The Ryzen 5 1400 is a 1500X with half the L3 cache.
And the Ryzen 3 chips are Ryzen 5 1400s with the SMT multi-threading disabled.

So the Ryzen 5 1600 has more CPU horsepower, and is equivalent to Intel's i5 7600K performance-wise.

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Do a fucking 2TB 2.5" SSHD with the HHD part with 7200 rpm speed even fucking exist? I can't find one anywhere, for fuck's sake.

Is there much difference in the Ryzen 5 1600 and 1600X? There's only a price difference of about £30, but I only have £700 to spend on the entire build.

>>62306980
just the the 1600.
The 1600 comes with a cooler that can handle a decent overclock
The 1600X does not come with a cooler at all
In practice, they overclock almost the same.

Ok I currently have a
gtx 1070
500 gib ssd
Power supply
Full size tower Case

My remaining budget is around $600 or so.
I want 16 gigs of ram and I want to dual boot windows for gaymes and arch linux as my main os.

I need a fast cpu comparable or better to the. i7 770k because I want to play the ps3 emulator. I was thinking of getting the ryzen 7 but I heard that has compatibility issues with arch.
Also would mixing nividia and amd impact games a lot? I heard some games had issues.

This is my first pc build so im not really sure what to get

This is for the Eurofag who wanted gaymen PC.
It's a little bit over, but it's worth it. I tried to design it for the best price / performance ratio. If you have brand loyalties, feel free to change the build.
Hope you can buy from British sellers.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KZ6Rcc

>>62306980
1600 comes with a stock cooler, lower stock clocks.
1600x comes with higher stock clocks, you have to buy an aftermarket cooler.
If you're not gonna OC your CPU buy the x.

>>62303678
Overclock 2133mhz ram.

>>62307070
>>62307125
Based, thanks lads. I don't plan on overclocking, but I was going to get the 1600X just because it wasn't too much more, but if I have to buy an aftermarket cooler on top of that I think my budget will end up like Canada's.

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>>62306926
>and is equivalent to Intel's i5 7600K performance-wise
Not in single threaded environment

>>62307080
I run Void w/ a 1600, so I can't speak for Arch BUT I haven't had any problems on Void.
Here, this should work fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bPjp6X

>>62307238
So I dont need a ryzab 7? I thought it was more faster?

>>62307238
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bPjp6X
OH SHIT I PUT SINGLE CHANNEL RAM IN THERE GET NVM HOLD ON

>>62307266
Okay, this is the proper one: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ftwhf8

Nah. Ryzen 5 should be fine if you're just gaming and just general uses. Ryzen 7 is faster, but it's not necessary.

>>62307294
Is it comparable to i7 770k or would the ryzen 7 be a better option I want to run the ps3 emulator which is cpu extensive.

>>62307386
Does a PS3 Emulator use multithreading or singlethreading? If it's the latter, 7700k. If it's the former, 1600x.

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Yurofag here, thanks for the advice anons.

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sup neets

i need a new cpu+mobo combo and it's down to 7700K vs 1700X

i have a single 1080p monitor setup with a 1060 6gb

primary (95% usage) will be vidya and other 5% is compiling bullshit in VS/similar uni work

>>62307426
1700x & MSI B350 PC MATE / MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon.
Or something ASUS/Gigabyte.

>>62307443
>1080p gaymeng
>suggests 1700x
the amd shills at work lol

>>62307426
wait for coffee lake

>>62307482
If it were a 1600, I'd tell him to get a 7700k, but devs are starting to take advantage of multithreading & the 1700 is really future proof. Why are you recommending someone burn their house down?

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I don't know who is jewing who here.
In terms of price, Ryzen 1600 = i5 7600, but the i5 beats the ryzen, sometimes by a large margin, in almost every benchmark (minus the unrealistic heavily threaded applications).
The only thing that seems to suck for the i5 is how it doesn't have multithreading, but does it even matter in practice?

>>62307419
Uh im no to sure with the computur terminology. I know it is multicore. I found an ryzan 7 1600 for the same prices as the ryzan 5 you linked. Is it just as powerful as the i7 770k or am I just better off switching to intel?

>>62307497
he has a 1060 he'll be gpu bottlenecked either way

>>62307551
6/10 made me read it twice

>>62307561
Idk I might just get a cheaper intel maybe?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TQKig3kW3so
This guy says the emulater is single core relient so ryzan wont work well but idk I cant find a video of someone using it with ryzan.

>>62307622
Yeah get a 7700k. Change the Mobo too.

What is the best 1TB M.2 drive?
Don't care about NVMe, just like the form factor.

>>62305934
Yes, it'll help.
But you'll have to stream with ShadowPlay or ReLive if you want decent results.

>>62307655
Cheapest? Western Digital's Blue.
Best? Samsung's 960 EVO.

According to Ryzen Master my new 1600 runs at about 65 degrees while I play Siege. Is this too hot? Should I reapply paste and remount my cooler?

>>62307215
it's close enough that most of us don't give a fuck

>Ryzen 7 1700 for $267.36

Hmm.

>>62307797
That's normal.

>>62303876
>>62303900
Anyone?

Serious question. Why does the tech industry suck Intel's dick?

>>62307880
(((Intel)))

>>62307699
Any problems with the Blue? If not, that sounds good.

>>62307896
They literally put out a processor people needed to rip the cover off of to fix.

They should've been fucking roasted for that.

>>62308047
Yeah, from a typical usecase it makes no sense. At least do what graphics cards do and make it removeable if you are going to use shitty thermal paste.
Why even use thermal paste (instead of soldering) at all for CPUs?

Does it REALLY matter if I put my psu fan down?

>>62308219

It also depends on what kind of surface your computer sits on, if it is on top of carpets then put the PSU fan face up

>>62308236
It's on case feet on a glass desk. A few people have said 100% do fan up, some people say it doesn't matter but prefer neutral pressure and fan up. I just can't be bothered to move it unless it'll actually help me

>>62308219
>>62308251
Do what your case tells you to do.

>>62304541
>>62304232
Maybe its my fault because i forgot to mention it but RYZEN DOESNT EXIST IN MEXICO.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fQ8pTH
Budget <1000 CAD
Monitor is ASUS VP247H-P; Native Resolution 1920 x 1080; Refresh rate up to 75 Hz
Only play CSGO, and LOL atm, just want better fps for csgo so that when special effects such as smoke or molotov goes off I can still play smoothly

>>62307622
Read this. Specifically the Dolphin Benchmark: https://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-1800x-and-1700x-cpu-review/
Ryzen does very well. The problem I keep seeing when people give advice here is they tend to reference reviews from the first couple months after Ryzens release. Bios updates have smoothed out alot of issues. Plus most reviews were pitting Intels with faster Ram against Ryzens with much slower Ram (another Bios issue at release time). I hate AMD for not taking their time to insure things went smoothly from the start.

>>62308596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_ktjGHyeg
Here's a benchmark of someone with your ryzen 3 1200 + 1050ti

am I fucked if I want red switches on a full board for a decent price

>>62308718
What's a decent price t oyou?

>>62308718
I found this for you.
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-MasterKeys-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B01ITE93OM

>>62308718
>>62308760
Just change style to MX Red

>>62308760
oh fuck that actually works with my employee discount, thanks

>>62308798
Cool. Glad I could help you out.

>>62308695
I watched the video and it looks like it will just do the job for me. So i guess my build is ok and is pretty standard for a budget build? Only question is if the motherboard is ok if I want to try overclocking and is there a recommend pc case, since I dont know the differences between them. Thank you sir.

GUYS

Should I just waitTM for the 8700k? I want to mostly gayman at high refresh rates. Only thing is I haven't tested all my components so I am not sure if they work and my return period is gonna end soon.

I feel like I'm being cucked but I still got all of the components at decent prices

>>62309003
Just get Ryzen
It's been run into the ground but it's true.

>>62309003

Depends dude, do you already have a setup? If you have the means to wait, wait. I have a feeling Intel is going to try and use coffee lake to try and squash ryzen but who knows. If not just grab an r5 1600, it's still a real fucking good cpu, and not like its start performing worse just because Intel releases a new cpu.

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Rate

>>62309179
DELID DIS/10

How did you get them that cheap?

>>62309179
>7700k
>1060
What

>>62309216
If you're a retail employee approved by Intel.

What is the best Wi-Fi adapter?
Saw this one in the last thread but are there better ones?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704133

1080p60 medium-ultra using ryzen 1200

>>62309179
Why not 1080ti nigger

>>62303678
STICC

>>62309250
depends on your use case but generally that one is the best one you can get

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Pls answer my question >>62302043
I need to know if the USB flash drive would be enough, or is it better to buy cheap HDD

>>62309302
Both will do

>>62309302
Get the Toshiba drive man. Toshiba are good drives normally. All we sell in HDD for lappys.

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>>62303678
Can anyone here recommend a cheap but effective USB microphone? Not a headset, just a microphone. I need one because my internal one is shit.

>>62309388
USB microphones are cancer. Just get a clip on on that connects to the output of your mobo.

>>62309388
Until i got my rode mic i used one of these.
ebay com au/itm/3-5mm-USB-STEREO-Condenser-Microphone-For-mini-Studio-Recording-Laptop-Z371-/322364138933?hash=item4b0e6665b5:g:w8IAAOSw6DtYV8wq

recommend me a monitor my friends
>1440p
>60hz
>thin bezel
>portrait/rotation
>dont care about the panel
>dont care too much about freesync. low price is more important
>affordable

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YybX8K

this was based on something i made on letsbld. thoughts?

>>62309528
A. No i5 unless discounted.
B. Don't have a more expensive CPU than GPU.
Get like a ryzen 1200 for that card.

>>62309025
Thing is I don't trust AMD to give me a good and reliable upgrade path in the long term with AM4. I am thinking to just shell out for 8700k since Intel's CPUs tend to last longer hence 2600k while AMDs side doesn't have an equivalent during the same generation 2600k was released.
>>62309108
My current setup is trash, can't play anything on it. I bought all the components besides mobo and cpu.
I do like AMDs side that it is not a complete housefire when OC'd. First time building, and I want something to last long. The included cooler does sound nice and not needing a AIO that will probably have a higher chance of bursting with intels CPUs.


I don't know what to do. Do you think they will let me return the CPU and mobo after I used it to test all my other components? 8700k is just around the corner and I want to see what they will offer

>>62309648
If you don't trust AMD, that's on you. Don't ask for advice if you don't want to take it.

>>62309659
I am just looking at their track record. It might be good now but what would it look like in five years?

This is my first PC that I'm going to build so I need some help I'd like a PC including keyboard and mouse under/around $1000 that can play games like Overwatch, Doom 2016, and Sherlock Holmes: Devil's Daughter. Is there any way to better spend my money to get more performance? There's not many other triple AAA games coming out that interest me, so I'm not worried about becoming outdated.

>>62309766
Forgot the link.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cmW3Ps

>>62309776
Get a 1050 ti instead, 1060 3gb is worthless. Get an r5 1600 instead, drop the aftermarket cooler, and get a b350 mobo. Drop the optical drive as well

>>62309776

You still have a $150 or so for a better monitor with this, if you need an optical drive you can try to salvage one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wyBcwV

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>Somehow crammed X99 onto an ITX board for those who want tiny workstations
>Asrock haters will disregard this.

>>62309858
*bursts into flames and knocks out the state power grid*

>>62305495
>why is Zotac to blame? I've had plenty of cards from them over the years and honestly, they're on of the better companies. Just get the Motherboard RMA over with. Either that or check to see if your motherboard PCIE settings aren't set to the first slot for some reason.

Don't know if you're still around, but my card died about a month after I bought it and I RMA'd it and they sent me a hot piece of garbage that is an obvious refurb, bent metal parts, fans make wrenching noises, incredibly loud. It was the 1070 Mini btw. Also got stuck with $45 in shipping charges. Burned once, I will try somewhere else next time.

I will check the motherboard settings, but I tried the first slot with friends 750 Ti and it worked fine. I think i'll just do a BIOS update and see what happens.

>>62309858
hey consider this: why tho

How good is the X370 taichi board? I see a lot of ASRock hate but any personal experience?

>>62309906
slash g is notorious to hate ass rocks motherboards

idk

>>62309906
Get whatever has the features you want and use it, all brands fuck up and these fags on here know nothing.

>>62309925
is this true?

>>62303762
Either AMD has got tier timing that they fucked Intel for 2 gens or Intel is so far up it's own ass that they think they can compete on name alone.

Probably a bit of both.

building a QEMU/KVM machine to game on a win7 vm and run GNU/Linux for everything else.

Should I drop the extra $200 and go for the 1950X or stick with a 1920X use the extra money elsewhere?

Budget is ~2k

>>62310016
>Threadripper for gaming
Also why 7?

>>62310046
threadripper for VM gaming and also linux VR gaming

why not 7?

>>62309562
>ryzen 1200
will that be compatiable with what i have?

Stupid question
if I get this Crosshair VI Hero
(https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO-WI-FI-AC/)
will it support wifi? or do I need a separate device to get wifi?

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>>62303678
>own 1080ti for three months
>the most intensive game ive played in it is the newest hitman for like 2 hours
>mostly just played csgo, fallout new vegas and test drive unlimited (2006)
>the most use it's got is heating my room running loops of unigine heaven

Anyone else know this feel? Why do people do this? My 780 to 980Ti upgrade wasn't even justified but I still did it, do I just have autism?

>>62310061
You would need an AM4 motherboard but it is balanced better for your build and you don't need an aftermarket cooler if you don't want one.
>>62310071
Yes, it supports wifi without external devices.

>>62310071
yes it has a wifi card in it

>>62310085
>>62310090
that's great

>>62303678
Why is 3200 MHz ideal? Why not faster?

>ssds are only good if you dont store shit on them
this shit is such a fucking ripoff meme

I need a Mini-ITX Z270 motherboard for build. Which one is the best? Using a windowless case so looks don't matter.

>>62310115
It's the ideal standard like 1600mhz DDR3 was, it's not expensive but it's fast, I have 1866mhz, and it really doesn't do shit for me in games or rendering compared to the same cpu on 1600.

>>62310119
ur dum

>>62310084
I feel that way with my 970. I've dicked around with fan curves and pushed it here and there a little but I mostly just play CSGO or some FotM bullshit with friends and it performs perfectly at 1080/ultra on pretty much everything I've touched except Deus Ex MD on release. One day I'll pick up a 1440 144 1ms monitor that will allow me to justify Volta's 1080 equivalent.

>>62310138
nou

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>>62310084
>go from rx480 to 1080 during mining craze
>still game on 1080p60
>have no desire to buy a new monitor anytime soon

>>62310236
Why the hell are people so retarded

>>62310236
tbqh, the only reason I moved from 780 to 980Ti is because I bought a 110Hz 1440p monitor, so maybe looking back it's somewhat justifed. These days though it just seems like anything will run almost anything. I threw my old 980Ti in my dad's PC and it runs Project Cars on his 4K TV on all ultra like a champ. It's really pissing me off the amount of people I see posting 'I-IS A 1060 ENOUGH FOR 1080P?', like, yes you fucking clown. A 1060 is barely 5% slower than a 980Ti, what planet are you living on?

If >paying for windows is a meme then where are you supposed to get your OS?

>>62310084
im kind of placing my faith in the gaming industry to release shit i want to play in the next couple years
ill probably just stick to older shit for now even though my card can do much more

>>62310324
install gentoo

>>62310270
through a series of events it's been like 5 months that i couldn't afford the monitor i've wanted, shit sucks

>>62310324
through an edu email

>>62310084
For the longest time I played HS and Dota2 on my 1080ti only. Now it is constantly playing Xcom2 and even Xcom2 can cripple the 1080ti at times.

>>62309808
>>62309847
That works out better. Thanks for the help.

>>62310407
I'm interested, how do I get an edu email?

>>62304102
You CAN delid ryzen if you're careful, the CPU is a lot harder than the solder
But there is no point in doing that, direct die cooling makes no real difference for ryzen

>>62306516
use windows 7 or linux

R8.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZLGqtJ

>>62310789
Wait. Forgot theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBoiW460nU

~$500 budget gaming build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FQ4dLD
~$300 budget gaming build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sm9NtJ

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Need help on choosing a motherboard and a case with good airflow. Here's the QVL on the current RAM I bought: https://gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-32gtzsk#tabs-qvl

>>62310890
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrNPCy
here ya go

>>62310953
>Good Airflow
>Phanteks Evolv

I used to have the ATX version of this before my Ncase and airflow was shit, can't imagine itx version is any better.

>>62310085
thanks, this is what i have now

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MbBcwV

>>62311303
Looks solid, but I would reccomend getting an SSD for faster OS boot and shorter load times in applications.

>>62307510
Yeah, but you pay for MB more because
>Intel are turbo kikes

>>62311324
>SSD
i found this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kwkwrH/western-digital-blue-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-wds250g1b0a

>>62311418
Looks good.

580 or 1070? Both are 8gb, so what's the difference?

>>62311864
1070 is cheaper

t. amd fanboy and a miner

>>62303762
>$400 for 6c/12t
Into the trash.

Coffin Lake.

Is this suitable for overclocking?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-30g-high-performance-gray-GD900-thermal-conductive-compound-grease-paste-silicone-for-CPU-GPU/1179859043.html

>>62311922
No. It also goes bad quicker than you'd be able to use it.

>>62310826
>i3
>ever

>>62311922
Yeah don't do that

>>62311986
>>62312021
What's a cheap thermal paste suitable for OC then

>>62312039
Don't use cheap thermal paste.
Buy good stuff, always.

>>62312039
You can be cheap but not aliexpress cheap. Who knows what the fuck that shit is made from

What about this?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Genuine-original-ARCTIC-MX-4-2g-8-5W-MK-Top-End-thermal-paste-Processor-cooling-paste/32334580126.html

>>62309858
>mITX X99 board
>no onboard wifi
but doesn't that defeat the entire point of an ITX form factor?

>>62311864
1070 is significantly more powerful.

>>62312294

no wtf are you gonna do take your whole mitx setup to starbucks and mcdonalds?

>>62312318
no. Make an epic HTPC out of it.
That said, with Ryzen being of similar performance to Broadwell E, you could just do that with Ryzen these days.

If I want to upgrade my motherboard/CPU but only have a Windows 7 OEM License, do I have to re-buy an installation disc?

>>62312379

no just pirate that shit

>>62312392
I intend to use it professionally.

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>>62312396
just pirate pro

>>62312379
>>62312396
Neither AMD Ryzen or Intel Kaby Lake chips are supported on Windows 7. You'd need Window 8, 8.1 or 10

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Which is better airflow for side intake fans? I don't know if it's worth putting an 80x15mm (green) inside the mesh thing if I'm going to have a 120mm right behind it.

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I need some help for a new computer I'm building, is there free software that allows me to compress a partition with operating system, and compressing it into an archive of sorts?

I need to be able to recover the system as it was with that backup file.

>>62312411
Not happening.

>>62312414
I know, so I'll upgrade to Windows 10, but I'm not sure how I should go about it.
I heard you can install it via a USB then just buy a key and it would be a legal licence. Is that true?

>>62312438
side intake fans are a meme and actually hurt airflow by creating air pockets inside the case. Avoid them.

>>62312453
>air pockets inside the case
retard detected opinion discarded

>>62312450
>I heard you can install it via a USB then just buy a key and it would be a legal licence. Is that true?
yes, it's true. Microsoft will give you the program to make a windows 10 USB installer on their website for free. The USB drive you use needs to be 4GB or greater. You can choose whether to installe home or Pro while installing it. When it gets to the product key part, just click "I don't have a product key" and continue.
It'll still install it legit, and you can activate it later by buying a license via the windows store or off a website like Kinguin.
Here. These should help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURz-SSQUVY&t=626s

>>62312486
>by buying a license via the windows store or off a website like Kinguin
One is like $300 and the other is like $10 on the grey market.

Are you sure Kinguin keys are legal licenses?

>>62312515
They have a money back guarantee
Microsoft is used all over the world. What, you think third world countries can afford a windows license for the same price? fuck no. Kinguin has international buyers who buy legit windows keys in bulk for their country, then sell the keys online. Though they're cheap, make no mistake, there is profit in it for them. Microsoft just price gouges the American market,

Someone sell me. What's the best bang you can get for a PC case? What's a budget wonder?

>>62312470
Hot air pockets idiot. If you want to build a PC that way be my guest.

>>62312544
S340
Do you consider that expensive?

>>62312548
>blowing cold air directly into the fans of my gpu is going to make a hot air pockets
lol

>>62312567
It can if you have a positive pressure already present in your case.

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>>62312544
depends on what you mean by budget.
The 2 most popular cases period are the NZXT S340 and the Phanteks P400S
I personally and going for a Zalman Z9 Neo since it has the same features as the other 2 for a similar price, but has space for actual optical drives, and is available in white.

All 3 of those are around the $70-$80 mark.

The cheapest I would go is $40-50 with the Corsair Carbide series and the Cooler Master Masterbox Lite case.

>>62312584
I don't though.

>>62312559
Yes.

>>62312585
Zalman makes cleaning the filters a fucking bitch. Especially the front facing ones. Everytime you remove them, it feels like you are going to snap your front panel apart.

>>62312585
>The cheapest I would go is $40-50 with the Corsair Carbide series and the Cooler Master Masterbox Lite case.
Also the Fractal Design Focus G. Forgot about that one

Guise, is Core i7 4770 with gtx 1050 ti a good combo?
Can't go for higher end cards since I'm stuck with a stock hp 300W PSU which I can replace with a better one due to reasons

>>62312607
worth it to be able to have my blu ray drive and the same basic case features as the S340 for a similar price.

>>62312618
Cleaning S340 is such a fucking breeze. Meanwhile for the Zalman is such a chore to clean.

>>62312642
Still want my blu ray drive. Otherwise I would. I wanted:
>white case
>at least 1 5.25" drive bay
>PSU shroud
>mounts that show off SSDs rather than hide them
>at least 2 3.5" HDD mounts, preferably hidden
>decent cable management
The S340 hit all but one. Same for the Phanteks. Otherwise I would go with them, but the Zalman is the only case I like the look of to hit everything I want. There's even rubber grommets and 5 (shit) included fans.

>>62312674

just get an external one

>>62312674
The only real reason why you need buy a Zalman over S340 or Phanteks is the bay drive. It is inferior in almost every other aspects.

>>62312727
no

FUCKING HELL MY RETARDED BROTHER JUST OPEN THE CPU SLOT AND JUST BROKEN 1 TEETH

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>>62312866

>>62303678
Question about laptop processors, probably wrong thread, but /SQT/ is usually really hit or miss.

i5-4200u vs i5-5300u
is there really that big of a difference between the two in performance when bundled with their integrated graphics?

>>62312914
LITERALLY WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE HEAD OF THIS RETARD FOR OPEN IT

>>62312928
lmao why would you even care it's a fucking laptop


5300 has higher clock speed

>>62312039
MX4
NT-H1
Hydronaut

>>62311995
looks fine to me.

>>62312947
Because laptops that have those types of processors are non-upgradable, so might as well get the better of the two if it's worth the price.

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>>62312438
>>62312438
>>62312438

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>>62312971
But you're comparing 2 i5's. The performance difference is virtually nothing. Everything since Sandy Bridge has just been an incremental rehash

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Is fucking dead isn't it?

>>62312866
>>62312933

Poo in loo detected

>>62313052
>Intel
and nothing of value was lost

>>62313063
I wasn't asking you, Rajesh.

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>>62313061
Not even close

Is this worth it?

https://angstronmaterials.com/shop/ang-stp-k10-graphene-thermal-paste/

>>62313052
It isn't. Some weeks ago I switched from a cheapo mobo to an ITX one, and while doing that, I binned 2 pins and then discovered one that was binned since forever. Then, after getting bootloops I had to went back, so with a needle and some time, I unbinned them and it just werks again. Actually, it should be working 0,087% better, as it now has 1150 pins working!

I don't think it werks like that, but maybe it does.

Also, don't bin them too much, because they are thin as fuck, so if you touch/move/bin them too much, they will fall off and RIP.

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>>62313138
use one of these too, I don't have one and my eyes almost died from focusing there too much.

>>62313138
>>62313166
Thx I will try

Which ram will be better? 3000MHz cl15 or 3200Mhz cl16?
mobo is MSI B350 tomahawk
from what I see there's no significant difference in price

Thinking of upgrading CPU to something better suited for rigorous 3D Rendering.

Budget: $250 USD

Any ideas on what I should be looking for?

>>62313042
Yea, that's what I thought, just being sure if there were any differences in say the integrated graphics or power efficiency or something that I don't know about.
thanks bro

>>62313138
did you mean to write bend or binned?

not being a dick or anything your post is just confusing me a bit

>>62313237
ryzen 1600

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>>62313237

>>62313052
If you just lost a ground pin or something, it might be fine. Only way to find out is to try it.

>>62313237
>>62313470
Ryzen 1700 can be had for $284.07 on Jet.

>>62313470
does R5 1600 have the segfault issue?
consider to buy one ....

>>62313680
they are fixed now

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Is my build good for £250?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 (4.20GHz OC)

8GB Hyper X Fury DDR3 1600Mhz

NVIDIA GTX 750Ti MSI Low Profile (bought cheap brand new will be upgraded)

MSI 970A SLI Krait Edition

Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU cooler

TP-Link WiFi Card

2x Seagate 2TB HDD 7200 RPM

1x western digital 1TB HDD

Phanteks White Braided Cable Extensions

Corsair CX600 PSU

NZXT S340 Elite (using both bundled fans)

NZXT Hue+

2x master Cooler Fans from previous PC

>>62313728
For that price it isn't bad. Sell the GPU, cpu, and mobo and put a ryzen 3 system and a 1050 TI in there and it's actually pretty nice

>>62313789
Was thinking more along the lines of a FX-8370, and a GTX 1060 STRIX RGB 6GB and leaving at that for now as I only game at 1080p and have more important places for my finances to go at the moment (Wedding) I'm only upgrading for something to last until march 2018. Then I can upgrade to my hearts content.

Should I go ryzen or Intel though. I've been looking at hackingtosh and I know osx can run with ryzen CPUs but what would give me better performance? I use OSX for content Creation ATM but can't stand Mac's as they are unnecessarily expensive and terrible to upgrade.

>>62313723
thank you!

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My computer tech buddy says the problem with Ryzen's is that you need to get them as part of a package, which limits you if you ever were to want to go non-AMD.

He also says that many of his friends have sworn off AMD due to them having major problems.

Why are they endlessly wanked here?

>>62314058
your 'tech' buddy is simply retarded.

>>62313895
for content creation you'll definitely want ryzen over intel, at least for the price. As it stands now too AMD is the content creation king with the 1950x, as well as the 1700 and 1600 for their respective price ranges.
I would still go wwith a 1200 and cheap b350 over any 8 core fx and 970 motherboard. I've used both, and the difference is night and day, the little 1200 keeps up with the 8370 in productivity, and in gaming it kills it. just take the time to sell the parts and you can upgrade from the 6300/970 to a 1200/b350 for probably like 50 bucks

>>62314076
Can I get some actual info besides name calling? I'm new to the comp world and trying to get a feel for this

>>62314141
fuck off, i'm not going to spoonfeed you. it's been discussed a milion times. do some fucking research by yourself or just listen to your tech genius friend and buy intel.

>>62314195
I didn't say spoonfood, I said use some fucking facts with your arguements besides "you're a fucking faggot kys!11!1!"

There's even arguements about AMD vs Intel in this very fucking thread

Fuck you too bitch

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Would like some comment on my build please

Purpose is mostly just gaming and VR, with a plan to pop a watercooled Ryzen 2 in there if they really do turn out being the new sandy bridge - so perhaps it would make sense to notch it down to an R5 1600 for now?

How's the Sea Hawk. It seems like good cooling is a lot more important than anything else to prevent GPU throttling these days so I fancy the idea of an AIO hybrid cooler.

Are 850 EVOs still the allrounder meme SSDs?
What hard drive manufacturer is the least worst these days? I popped in the first random 3tb one I saw so it's replaceable

thansk

>>62314265
if all you do is gayming then yes r5 1600 would be a better idea.
stay away from gigabyte mobos. you probably don't need an x370 mobo, but if you really want one then x370 taichi is a good choice.
get 1.1tb crucial mx300. in real world performance there isn't much difference vs 850 evo, and you'll save some money

>>62314058
>the problem with Ryzen's is that you need to get them as part of a package
The fuck is he even talking about? If he's talking about mobo restrictions you get the same issue with intel

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QxVwWX

Can I bring the price down for this build without compromising too much on the quality? This seems like the best bang for buck setup, the RAM is the biggest issue but I want 16GB because it's going to be used for photo/video editing and music production as well as vidya. Should I just try and find some RAM used or something?

How do I choose a monitor? I'd like something with good response times and refresh rates but also good colors

>>62303678
Is it a good time to build? or should i wait til december?

>>62314507
build now or forever suffer higher ram and gpu prices
waiting is a meme unless you're waiting for a specific arch, and by december no new archs will be out

>>62314507
There's always going to be something better coming out right around the corner, just build now and you can upgrade the GPU and CPU whenever you like as long as you buy from a company that doesn't try to jew you out of your shekels

>>62314482
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G8zfwV

>>62314507
Build now, GPU prices are going up.

>>62314507
>>62314538
>>62314557
>>62314606
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fyTyr7
Is this good enough? already have a compatible cooler,psu, storage and case
and ill get vega once they sell the aftermarket ones.

mobo qvl looks ok to the ram

>>62314538
coffee lake next month

>>62314649
x370 is not worth it unless you want SLI or more lanes.

>>62314649
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HrmHKZ

>>62314687
>>62314724
nah cf/sli is a meme
thanks m8s

So, why is everyone going for the MSI boards?
Are they good or just cheap?

>>62313226
No significant difference

>>62314772
just the right mix of both, really
cheap ENOUGH while still not being shit

>>62314879
>>62314879
>>62314879