is fuschia going to kill all of linux's momentum?

I hope it will be a better thought and more mature OS than Android.

>>62279480
Botnet os

let's be honest, the world needs a new OS... badly...

Linux is great, I love it, especially on server, but even desktop is not bad... but still ... I am unironically telling you that I have more experiences of Linux freezing because of hardware/driver incompatibility than Windows has

Windows is a shitty botnet now and it's 'really disgusting legacy OS that we need to kill... it's still popular because of gaymers

Android is kind of OK but patched together quickly, needs to be redone from scratch, we need to get rid of Java too

MacOS is a great idea: put a nice GUI on top of UNIX and parts of BSD... unfortunately it has one of teh gayest stupidest companies behind in the history of mankind

we need a new OS, one to be good for all devices (like Ubuntu wanted to be with Unity, but failed), written from scratch for 2017 hardware, no need for legacy support... something nice and elegant and just wekrs

I think Google can pull it off

>>62279517
I want to be hyped, but Chrome OS doesn't promise any good.

if it comes close to sel4 performance no problem. being a second generation microkernel im worried about its potential

>>62279517
A new os would be good, but not from google any of googles successful products(except the search engine) are bought by other companiesor forks of other software. To be honest i think something like redox or haiku would be better.

>>62279538

ChromeOS can run a web browser, and mosh; what else do you need in a client?

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>>62279480
help us kill Google first. install AdNauseam. Destroy CPC!

Install: https://adnauseam.io/

Run these once a day:

https://jsfiddle.net/codefag/3t9r045q/
https://jsfiddle.net/icefrogcode/kqdx7cyb/1/

>>62279630
>clicking ads and making google revenue
>killing google

what kind of twisted thinking is this?

>>62279630
autism

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>>62279480
>2017
>shilling a google experiment

>>62279480
typical googleware - give it 2 or 3 years and they will ditch it.

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is google+ going to kill all of facebooks's momentum?

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>>62279657
they return it. trust is lost.

>>62279657
the idea of charging your customers for fake clicks is very dangerous for your ad department. It happened to Twitter.

>>62279694
>this kills goolag
Nope it won't. You are underestimate the power of normalfags. Now do a favour for yourself and go back to other poltards.

>>62279511
This, it's going to pozz your computer for sure if you install it.

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>>62279719
>normalfags
>ad departments
>p-/pol/!!!
you need to go back

>>62279517
You sound like an 18 year old tho :/

>>62279480
There hasn't been a successful new Google project since 2008. What makes you think this one will be successful?

>>62279719
nice try jewgle shill

>>62279776
it's open source and in the interest of all the phone manufactuers

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Haha, no.
Maybe if it had come out 20 years ago.

>>62279824
>mixed license
>rapidly moving target
lol more like open sores

>>62279824
>open source
Literally nothing.
>all the phone manufactuers
Let me guess you can't tell us why would it be better and won't be the same crap as android by the same company.

>>62279517
macOS is Unix-like because it pulls in POSIX compatability, netstack, VFS and userland from FreeBSD - if it weren't for those, it'd never be SUS certified.

>>62279902
um i never said it would be better for us. It would definitely be better for them to be able to make all their shit closed source

>>62279905
>macOS is Unix-like
UNIX and it's a snake oil in 2017.
>userland from FreeBSD
bash and cocoa shitfest is from bsd. Good to know.
>SUS certified
Opengroup and it's about milking the cucks.

>>62279921
Practically it's closed source. Even busybox is killed by google because muh gpl hurts some excessively lazy oem, but still don't give a shit about chink crap like alwinner.

>>62279517
>I am unironically telling you that I have more experiences of Linux freezing because of hardware/driver incompatibility than Windows has
User error. I've been using Linux for over 13 years and I have only once or twice a system crash on me, back in 2005 and around 2008.

from what i've read, its much superior to current unix-emulating systems. most people who are agaisnt that are gnutards kek

>>62279924
Actually being able to run POSIX software is still a requirement to get a vast array of contracts from Uncle Sam, that's why MS has always maintained a POSIX compatibility package since the NT days.

Dummy.

>>62279480
botnet in apps
botnet in user space
botnet in kernel space
wahou, I can't wait for the next step with botnet hardware with botnet electricity

>>62279957
>MS has always maintained a POSIX compatibility package since the NT days.
Which is replaced with GNU/Ubuntu. Seems like Linux is POSIX too. Still bs and nothing more than a sticker.

>>62279517

you forgot to mention that android is a shitty botnet too

>>62279966
as if linux hasn't been compromised

>>62279966
On mobile phones it doesn't matter.

>>62279993
my electricity is not botnet yet.
yeah because a smartphone is not a computer, it works in the exact same way but somehow it's different...

>>62279480
no people that use linux dont want another OS that is created by a company known for crap that fails + I would rather choose Windows 10 over Fuchsia if I was forced to choose

You choose Linux because it is free and not likely to spy on you

>>62279480
They're only doing this because they don't want people running rooted/replicant phones. Ad blocking on mobile hurts their business and they want to be able to track you.
The new OS will be even more locked down than iOS, mark my words.

>>62280036
exactly which is why i said its going to kill linux's momentum

>>62279819
>>62279758
Like he said, fuck off /pol/tards and die of cancer, go shill your shit to the retards over there who can't into IRC, KEK.

Will fuchsia kill android?
If google won't maintain android, does that mean that all smartphone manufacturers who decides to stick to android will have their own android with their own patches and updates, therefore making tons of new smartphone OS..?
Will fuchsia be open source?

>>62280112
>next to zero developer community
>it will android just because google will force it
AOSP is still a thing.

>>62280155
>kill
Who knows. But android will get ported to run in fuchsia, and that's how I see android going forward.
Linux wasn't well suited to this.

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>>62280122
not that you'll believe me but I never visit /pol/, I'm actually a Jew. The "b-b-but /pol/!!" meme has become real, sorry.

>>62280011
I heard something in the news about electricity companies now being able to turn your shit off. And not because you havent payed.

If it provides C API for gui stuff and let's you run native applications then it's already better than android.

Is it going to come out for PCs?

I thought it was just a new smartphone OS

>>62280242
Gas yourself

>>62280265
>C
It's C++

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>2% desktop market growth in 15 years

>momentum

What would really kill desktop Linux is Apple releasing macOS as a free distro.

>>62279480
yes

>>62280122
You sound like such a faggot dude. If you people are going to post on content that is mildly political, and cry like a bitch when it smells like /pol/ in the room, you'd best just stay out of the thread. Or board.

>>62280281
C is a subset of C++

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>>62280295
>what the fuck is Android
>what the fuck are servers
>what the fuck are ATMs

>>62280343
thats exactly what i was thinking

>>62279480
>"hef guys lets put a Google OS on our production machines
said no one ever

>>62279480
>littlekernel
>new
>by jewggle
hahaha nice joke

>>62280425
um what do you think chrome os is?

>>62280410
Not desktops like that user was saying, that's for sure.

Any other retarded questions?

>>62280441
0/10, nobody is this stupid.

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>>62280122

>>62280440
shit that only gets installed on shittops for literal children

>>62279480
>is le everything is a file meme os that only exists because of autistis putting man hours and patching it around going to be outcompeted by a serious os?

yes baby. linux is broken by design it only exists becasue people used to think in the past that unix was a good design and a lot of shit is just compatible with it. thats all.

If L4 is seriosly deployed in shit like cyph processors and shit like that, why nobody has make a general purpose L4 based OS?
>inb4 whats L4Linux?
No, I'm not talking about frankenstein abominations like that, but pure L4.

>>62280450
Other than yourself for calling android, ATMs, and servers part of the desktop market?

Yeah probably not.

>>62280502
Look into genode.
It's not ready, but it's moving, and it's closest to this goal.

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>>62280539
Holy shit, I'm sorry. Your brain damage must be severe.
You actually think that's what was being implied?
Amazing.

>>62279517
This, desu. Windows is shit, mac os is good but restricted to devices of the single manufacturer, android is nice but ultimately flawed temporary solution and it also literally can not serve as a proper desktop os, linux will never make it because it is developed by freetards. I don't want to buy a mac just because it has the only software in the market that just werks. Among mobile devices it is at least the android/ios choice, desktops need something similar.

>>62280579
>literally the phrase "desktop market share" used
>thinking this "implies" something beyond desktop market share

Now that's what I call damage control.

>>62280579
I literally typed "desktop market growth" in my post you stupid fucking dweeb.
None of your sofanny reaction images are going to change that.

>>62279517
>I am unironically telling you that I have more experiences of Linux freezing because of hardware/driver incompatibility than Windows has
you must be doing something wrong because i barely have any crashes

>>62279517
>written from scratch for 2017 hardware, no need for legacy support

So you are completely going to disregard decades and decades of software? That sounds like one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. It's official, 4chan is just as bad as Reddit.

>>62279517
You're right, but don't forget Google is a company built on meme technology.
All the default applications will probably be written in JavaScript and the window manager will be a chrome browser rendering css styled windows.

>>62280599
>mac os
>shit mid-90s hybrid kernel
>built on
>gen 1 microkernel
>MACH
>in fucking
>2017
>Good

>>62280599
>linux will never make it because it is developed by freetards.
Wrong. The main issue Linux performs poorly in desktop workloads is the kernel. That is mostly developed by companies, which have totally different priorities (throughput in servers) than anything to do with desktop use.

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>>62280603
>>62280624
That's my fucking point.
Desktops are not Linux's entire market, nor it's momentum. How fucking retarded can you people be?

just convince normalfags to use linuxes and all the problems will be solved

>>62280746
Mach isnt as bad as the memes said. Even less considering that they dont use a microkernel implementation of it.

>>62280807
XNU a shit.
>still better than Linux
>because at least the design is clean
>but it still suffers
>from high IPC overheads
>due to mach
It's even slower than Linux at context switch speed, when run on the same hardware.
That puts it in a special class of shitty performance.

>>62280807
>ands based in Mach 3
I forgot that.

I'd love to use a popular widely used open source micro kernel OS

>>62280837
>mach3
>microkernel
>research project
>performance not even an afterthought
>used by XNU
>XNU is a hybrid
>as a partial workaround
>for the shitty performance

>>62280836
>high ipc overloads
>on a fucking monolithic kernel
XNU mach is monolithic. Stop reading linux propaganda.

>>62280856
>memes
>know shit about mach and how its implemented in XNU

>>62279480
>be cockblocked by gpl
>can't make linux a closed source botnet
>decide to make a new kernel
>make it bsd-like
>faggots think it's opensource
>faggots contribute for free
>google takes the code, attaches proprietary botnet, does have to tell anyone because "muh free license"
>now your botnet runs in kernel mode
That's the reason why bsd and bsdlike licenses need to die

>>62279608
t. Rajesh, Leader of JavaScript Development Team

Idgaf if it's open source. I want it to be free.
Also open source fags >>>/leddit/
Gentoomen are free

>>62280871
>Stop reading linux propaganda.
Linus is among those saying hybrid kernels do not exist.
>on a fucking monolithic kernel
Means you've been listening to Linux propaganda
>>62280886
>know shit about mach and how its implemented in XNU
XNU's IPC overhead is a fact.
The hybrid works it around, but only within supervisor mode.
Userspace suffers it all the same.
>>62280892
Feel free to write your own GPL'd software, contribute to GPL'd software, or fork and relicense BSD software to GPL.

>>62279517
My only ever problem with Linux was when my RAM got aids and fucked my motherboard; but that's hardly the fault of Linux.

>>62280913
>xnu overhead is a fact
Prove it.

>>62279480
It was fun seeing the rust internet defense force throw a tantrum about it.

>>62280938
lmbench, lat_ctx, linux 2µs, xnu 3µs.
Hardware: haswell i7.
Linux sucks, XNU sucks more.
Decent results would be similar to:
http://sigops.org/sosp/sosp13/papers/p133-elphinstone.pdf
That is, ~100ns.

>>62280912
only without regulations one can be truly free. less of them more freedom

>>62280912
Torrents are free

>>62280964
Haters gonna hate.
>doing what SJWs want
Won't make them shut up. There's no satiating their demands. The only way to handle them is to ignore them. Their life force is attention.

>>62280978
>>62280974
What really makes you think I am talking about price?

>>62281020
>Idgaf if it's open source. I want it to be free.

>>62280970
Glad to know it. I tought you where to blast the shitty article doing damage control that some linux developer did in 2001.
So.
Can we port Cocoa and the other parts of Darwin to L4?

>>62280913
>Feel free to write your own GPL'd software, contribute to GPL'd software, or fork and relicense BSD software to GPL.

.....
>expose google's reason for new kernel and new license scam
>hear suggestions about staying on gpl s/w
Thwt's not how it works

>>62281042
I said I want it to be free not I want it for free

>>62281049
>Can we port Cocoa and the other parts of Darwin to L4?
This is userspace stuff supported by a POSIX environment in the first place. See gnustep and darwine.
A port of XNU to L4 would be somewhat interesting, but there's no such effort. Understandably. XNU is just "unix on a microkernel", and its implemented as unfortunately a Mach-based hybrid.
Minix3 is "unix on a microkernel" done right, with a gen2 microkernel and some interesting reliability, fault-tolerance and live component replacement design decisions. But still "unix on a microkernel".
Thankfully, there's genode, which is a better design overall, taking real advantage of the microkernel design. They're building a new system around capabilities, which are the key design point of 3rd generation microkernels (such as seL4), and do offer POSIX as just one possible interface, for legacy software, rather than simply trying to replicate the UNIX design under a microkernel.

>>62281125
Further reading, the Genode handbook. Particularly interesting to understand the overall design is its introduction chapter.
https://genode.org/documentation/genode-foundations-17-05.pdf

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>>62279480
No, Redox OS is going to kill Linux's momentum.

>>62281225
bwahaha, my sides, they hurt.

Every serious developer uses a MacBook . The only people I've met who use Linux full time are college kids and NEETs.

>>62280454
Except Asia.

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>>62279480

>>62281722
>haha nice meme dude
>google it
>wait it's fucking real

>>62279989
You don't need to mention that a smartphone os is a boner, that's common knowledge

>>62279480

>is fuschia going to kill all of linux's momentum?

Kek, Fuchsia is at the moment a poorly written Google intern style project. Unless there is a massive effort and funding of this, it will go nowhere, fuck even a DOA project like Redox OS has a brighter future.

>>62280905
How much money do you earn as a leader?

>>62280438
Unfortunately Google isn't the superior Jew anymore, it's pajeet.

>>62281722
>history people
the absolute state of hamburger university

>>62282447
>poorly written
Confirmed hasn't looked at the code.

>>62279480
>botnet os

>>62282645
youre already using a botnet os

>>62282447
It's actually quite beautiful at the moment particularly because there isn't a huge team shoving their hand up its ass.
It's still quite a ways from making a thorough debut.

>>62280410
ATMs are, by and large, running Windows. The other two points stand.

>>62279480
>MIT/BSD license
It's garbage. It will be worse than android because companies were at least forced to publish the source of android drivers and certain modifications of the system.
FuckshitOS will basically be the end of libre phone OS and you can bet that it will have even shittier update system and lock down the end user more with it's (((not rooted by default))) system.
Funny thing is this could mean Samsung will become the king of Android and Touchwiz will become a standard. It could finally remove Google's apps completely and just use Samsung Store and other "S" apps exclusively. Not that I'm saying any of their apps are good but it will reduce the bloat and make it a better system.

>>62282681
Oh I know, but I have seen a fair share running Linux in some capacity over the years.

>>62279480

Doubt it. Probably just grab more mac fags.

>>62282681
>ATMs are, by and large, running Windows.
wtf?
Never seen one with Windows.
It's either OS/2 or Linux.

>>62282703
It's true, unfortunately. I imagine there more than one would expect still running XP or even 2000.

>>62279517

Need to wait a bit longer for containerization development. Need an OS that can wrap any program in a minimized container for the OS it needs. Also wrap the hardware in containers. All of it for security. Cube OS is trying to do this but needs alot of development. And the containers themselves need work so each container doesnt need to be a full OS.

>>62282703
>windows 3.1 atms are still a thing
I think most run XP or 7 (desktop, not embedded) tho

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>>62280410
>people only use it because of google
>server memes
>atms ever running linux

>>62282756
Sorry, I can't fix stupid.

>>62282727
Cube OS uses the wrong base (xen, a seriously bloated hypervisor with a poor security history).
The right way to do this is with capabilities, but even through the virtualization route as stopgap, seL4's virtualization support is a much better base, as the VMM which deals with machine faults runs unprivileged, with only the capabilities the VM does need.
Note seL4 capabilities are the real thing (tokens to physical memory), not POSIX capabilities, which are something else (and quite shitty... a better/sane design for such a thing is openbsd's pledge).

>>62282767
feel free to delete your comment >>62280410
though, that'll fix it up~

Its going to be a total botnet, and we're going to have no choice

>>62279517
>/g/ anon whines about video games for billionth time

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>>62282756
>>62282798
Kys shill

>>62282692
um ya? thats why i said its gunna kill linux's momentum

>>62280746
> windows
> still based on nt
> Costs money
> file transfer limits
> ntfs
> 2017
> good

> Linux
> shit gui
> most kernels have NSA ties
> system d
> 2017

Yeah osx is still the best

once linus dies you can guarantee the linux kernel will be compromised so might as well change os while you can.

>>62283090
>shit gui
I use/like i3 and kde. I prefer both to windows and osx.
>most kernels have NSA ties
wut?
>systemd
Better than the sysvinit and upstart it replaces.
>2017
date +%Y
>osx
closed software in user and supervisor mode
botnet
shit gui
walled garden

>>62283121
>once linus dies
One of his main trusted maintainers will take over, everything will continue as usual.
>linus dying
Not anytime yet, hopefully. He's still young.
>eventually die
Linux will likely be irrelevant by then. It still has a few years, but I'm sure it'll be niche in some 10 years.
A pure microkernel multiserver OS is bound to replace it.

>>62283151
>microkernel
wow people sure have a hard on for this shit

>>62279480
How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

>>62283171
>confirmed ignorant about the last 20 years of microkernel research, design, implementation.
Pitiful. Here's a lifeline.
http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2016/01/01/0/

>>62283151
>microkernel
Forgot about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate

>>62283249
AST and Linus are in pretty good terms.
Linus has said in interviews he got interested in developing his own OS as he read OS design&development, and he ran Minix on his 386 until he got Linux good enough to be self-hosted.
Ultimately, they were both right. Linus was right to use the mature traditional monolithic design from UNIX, which allowed it to get good enough to be competitive quickly. AST was right that the microkernel design is superior, but it would still take a long time to be usable out of research and very specific uses (such as RTOSs). L4 is the first/flagday 2nd generation microkernel, which is the generation in which the monolithic designs are just left in the dust. The world, outside the RTOS and high assurance niches, is just taking a long time to catch up with this fact.

>>62283196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4fVzOpa1M

>>62283381
Screw PC. I prefer fuck-sha.

>>62279771
Kys

>>62283198
ya cuz qnx worked out great for blackberry. LOL

>>62283468
QNX is awesome.
The QNX-based blackberry OS was awesome too.
But from a user perspective, too little too late. Android/IOS had already won.

>>62283421
it's fuj-her

>>62283479
so what could it do so much better than android?

>>62282814
Waste of time.

>>62283479
Some cool QNX stuff.
Ancient (1992) but insanely cool paper on QNX overall design: https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~voelker/cse221/papers/qnx-paper92.pdf
Something more recent, mutexes in QNX: https://www.osnews.com/story/29090/Implementing_Mutexes_in_the_QNX_Neutrino_Realtime_OS

>>62279517
Haiku desu

>>62283498
Everything.
From Security and power management to responsiveness and updates.
>>62283558
Extremely experienced architects from NewOS/BeOS are employed by Google working on Fuchsia.

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>Google Fucksya
What did they mean by this?

>>62283479
Nice to see QNX cocksuckers here. Blackberry was crap though.

>>62283613
They're gonna fuck off to their home planet on a secretly built spaceship known as Apple Park now and take the Wikipedia archive with them.

>>62283694
QNX is solid. BB10, was also solid.
Blackberry as a company is utterly useless.

>>62283694
>Blackberry was crap though.
It was, in general first, and once it got QNX'd it would still suck user-facing.
A case of too little too late.

>>62279480
No, it only competes with linux in IoT, which is a retarded meme. It won't be viable for anything other tgan IoT

>>62279480
yes, especially when they completely drop it out of nowhere in 2-3 years down the line (just like they do almost every major initiative they start)

more vaporware from Google

>>62279480
How original.
>>62282561
>reading cpp crap

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Google fuchsia
Google Fucks ya
Google fuch CIA

>>62283761
oh how i wish android was dropped
>>62284008
dont tell the cia please

>>62279480
TL:DR

No

>>62279480
It'll see widespread use without a doubt, but it'll never kill the open and libre worlds, because that's something some of us will just never give up on.

>>62279954
Sure

>>62279517
We need a new closed/semi open source os on the same tier as og windows 3-7.x and nextstep/osx

Sadly current talent pool is a fucking brain drain and will only get worse

>>62279480
literally who

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>>62279480
>Open source
>but Google
So can I trust this or not? Surely they'll turn it into a botnet sooner or later.

NT, Linux, *BSD, Solaris et al have all had 20 years of thousands of developers working on them full time with massive financial backing.

If Google puts twice as many resources into it, they could catch up by 2037.

They won't. This is another stupid side project because Google doesn't know how to say no to things and the project leader wanted a promotion. There's not even a killer app.

Only software fans think a kernel is something you can just throw together. Software developers actually understand what a colossal undertaking it is.

>>62284401
>There's not even a killer app.
honestly evacuate the premises /v/

>>62284401
>If Google puts twice as many resources into it, they could catch up by 2037.
Except it's much less effort to develop a properly structured multiserver system, thanks to the isolation and clear interfaces of the components.

>>62279517
>We need to throw everything out the window and re-invent everything in the name of a 5% performance boost and... elegance! Muh legacy! I'm afraid of things I don't understand!
Why are so many people on /g/ stuck in the fucking '90s? You probably jerk off to failed RISC platforms too.

These kinds of ideas always fail because the only people who give a fuck about "elegance" and getting rid of "legacy" (read: everything older than 2016) support are mewling CS undergrads and Wikipedia scholars who've barely written a line of code in their life but think they know everything that's wrong with modern computing while they spend 90% of their time in a browser, while the rest of the people who will actually have to use it see only some useless piece of shit that runs no software and has no support for their existing systems.

>>62284554
Whoa. You need to get laid man.

>>62284411
>GNU CLI programs
>Microsoft office/IE
>ZFS

Yeah fuck off and learn what it means first

>>62284451
Oh that must be why Hurd did so well

>>62284605
Oh so you're just pretending to be retarded for (You)s. Here have another.

When will Amazon make a new OS that isn't an Android fork?

>>62284631
The TURD? That's based on a 1st generation microkernel (eww) and it's a hybrid, not a pure microkernel design (puke).

>>62284554
You need to take a look at >>62283198

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>>62279480
>google
>knowing how to code
i bet you think android is the most stable OS out there

>>62279480
Here's a question. Why doesn't google put some of their money behind proper linux development. Help push it forward so it can really compete with windows. Making another OS is akin to starting a new church after half the congregation abandoned the old one.

>>62279692
I like it more, wont have to deal with idiots, just talk with people of similar tastes

>>62279719
defeatist leave, all effort is welcome.

>>62284786
Because it's a dying horse and they know it. Why would they care about competing with Windows when they already outpace them?

>>62279692
i miss wave

>>62279480
The people that use linux do it to get away from corporate webs of surveillance.
Why would they use this?

>>62284839
>The people that use linux do it to get away from corporate webs of surveillance.
hopefully they're also using libreboot otherwise their intentions are utter failures

>>62279630
Stop spamming your shit EVERYWHERE.

>>62284848
t. buttmad google shill

>>62284401
microkernel automatically gives them +20 yrs

>>62280295
That needs to be updated.
I think the world opened up the linux quite a bit last year.
The election really opened most people's eyes to how little they understand computers. Bet many took a leap into linux.

>>62281763
Why do you think people are so pissed off with the left?
Google is part of the problem.

>>62279517
>Linux is great, I love it, especially on server, but even desktop is not bad... but still ... I am unironically telling you that I have more experiences of Linux freezing because of hardware/driver incompatibility than Windows has
?
so we should throw away all compatibility / drivers and write everything again from scratch?
the microkernel nature of fuchsia would also allow companies to easily close off driver source, which is something I really don't want

>>62284890
Your shit is not only on 4chan. It's on multiple forums.
And it's proven plain old kike shillery.

>>62284902
Quite. I was able to get 3 close friends to try linux in the past year and they seem to love it so far. Sure, they have problems from time to time, but they're rare. My buddy asked the best question the other day.

"So how often should I defrag my hard drive?"
"You don't have to defrag anymore"
"I don't have to defrag???"
"No"
"My god...."

>>62284847
What I meant was:
Move towards it.

Because unless your gloves are high quality material, you will leave fingerprints everywhere. :^)

>by google
No thanks

>>62284902
Overwhelming majority of Linux gain stems from ChromeOS/Chromebooks hitting retail shelves. The election didn't do anything outside of apparently deluding a bunch of people on 4chan.

>>62284847
you have no need for libreboot if you've achieved true enlightenment

>>62284966
That said I took a short swim with it, will now find a cheap thinkpad or something to really see what I can do with it.
Still need windows for my other shit... because pleb at computorrs.
>and need it for music production

>>62279517
>Windows is a shitty botnet
>I think Google can pull it off

>>62284966
kys, this has nothing to do with OS choice

>>62285006
That botnet is like the sun's warm embrace? Yeah I agree.

>>62284960
but it works: >>62279694
stay mad shill while we destroy big bad evil Google.

>>62284998
It made many people realise just how naked they were online.
Many people just did not care up until that election, when the groupthink really started to become a legitimate issue and began to create hate-speech laws. Last year also began a major divergence between what was said on the MSM and on social media.

>>62285024
When windows can install to ext4, we'll talk.

>>62285054
Switching to Linux actually doesn't combat any of those issues whatsoever when they're still using the MSM/MSSM.
Again, I think due to spending way too much time on 4chan you've deluded yourself into believing that a handful of anons putting ubuntu on their moms laptop is any sort of indication that they're fighting Against the Man™ due to the recent US elections.
As I stated, majority of linux growth stems exclusively from ChromeOS and that's going directly against your claims.

>>62283126
i dont understand the walled garden
i have a macbook right now while my desktop died and it has integrated just as well as linux would in with the rest of my ecosystem which has no apple products in it at all. also gui is subjective and serves no point being argued about

>>62279480
>fuschia

Not if no one can spell it.

>>62285094
>Switching to Linux actually doesn't combat any of those issues whatsoever
I know, I know.
It's more about learning how your computer works, learning how to cover your own ass more. Learning how to get gud I guess.
I did it because I thought it would be better to understand more about my computer, rather than just assume too many things about how it works.

>>62280892
This. It's so painfully obvious what's going to happen, TOO obvious actually, and so nobody even thinks about it.

>>62279954
Sorry mate, but that's total bollocks. Even the most stable shit like mint cinnamon/xfce falls over coming out of sleep mode.

>>62285172
>now your botnet runs in kernel mode
Serious misunderstanding on fuchsia design.
It's a pure microkernel multiserver system based on a 2nd generation microkernel.
What this means is that the functionality in the microkernel is kept to a minimum.
Botnet would be implemented in userspace, like drivers and most of the services the OS provides.

Nope. It will kill Android if enough devs make apps for it, but you're just retarded if you think fuchsia can replace Linux.

>>62285388
I don't care where the botnet is
Google is going to slowly close source this over the years if it actually catches on
The point is that the BSD license is to lull everyone into a false sense of security

>>62279480
It looks like it's an OS designed for women desu.

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>>62279771
More like a toddler.

>>62279517
>LITERALLY admits that macOS is the best one out of all three but eewwww tim cook is gay XD
what a fucking MEME post this is

>>62279517
is google trying to kill RedHat and take his place the government?

>>62279517
We need a new OS that's capable of being as normie-friendly as Chrome OS, while maintaining the versatile capabilities of Windows all while remaining graceful and beautiful like macOS.

Who will save us?

>>62279517
Unless Fuchsia will be able to run a DAW with VSTs I think I'll just stick with my good ol' legacy OS and/or macOS.

>>62280404
No it's not. Stop this meme already

>>62280599
>mac os is good but restricted to devices of the single manufacturer
Good. The reason Android is so fucked is 'cause anyone can do anything with it.
Apple has too much control over their products but I'll take that over a fucked up mess any day

>>62279480
How? No once wants to contribute to Google, les they doxxed and blacklisted from ever working again.
Google is a poison pill.

>>62286422
Taligent!
Or more appropriately, people realising you can't have all three in one.

>>62284401
I think that's what I like about Google. They're stupid enough to try EVERYTHING, and at least give it a serious attempt. They don't seem to care about failure. They just throw every crazy thing at the wall and see what sticks.
This is also something I hate about Google; the fact that this causes them to cancel projects I like left and right.

>>62285378
>mint
>most stable

>>62285619
>It will kill Android if enough devs make apps for it

Fuschia will replace the Linux kernel in Android. Project Treble as part of Android 8 will make it feasible to do.

>>62279480
No, it will just be the end of android giving linux a bad name.

>>62279517
> we need to get rid of Java too

I got 99 problems but the lang ain't one.

>>62286490
Google has thousands of devs to maintain it, and can easily hire thousands more. They're only open sourcing this thing to make it a viable alternative to Linux on embedded systems.

>>62279517
>we need to get rid of Java too
stopped reading. idiot.

>>62279480
>by google
no one who really cares about open source os would want to touch that shit.....right?

>>62287658
To be honest it would be better for lkml, but you know jackshit how harmful is the laziness of google for the kernel itself. Sadly that shit won't make the kernel changeable

>>62287678
Unironically this.

Wasnt the reason plan 9 flunked that it was better but not better enough to warrant migrating everything? Fuschia better be a massive leap forward if jewgle wants it to succeed.

>>62288535
Fuschia is going to be part of a larger push to unify Google's various consumer devices around one framework. If other consumer electronics companies adopt it, that's really just a bonus for them.

>>62288577
>If other consumer electronics companies adopt it
After Android, this will be the last thing they will do. DOA

>>62288591
All those companies producing masses of cheap IoT shit just want software that works with minimal effort on their part. Fuschia will provide that.

>>62288648
Ubuntu too and they will find developers too. Literally nothing.

>>62288901
Ubuntu was never targeted at pointless shit like IoT juice makers. It was a desktop linux distro that had a half assed attempt at becoming usable on a touch interface.

>>62279480
I hope so. Linux is fucked and there's nothing in sight that can possibly replace it yet. Xorg, poetteringware, it's all disgusting. Even the kernel is an abomination because linus is the ultimate example of incompetence. Something needs to change.

>>62282899
This is some advance loonix shill

>>62279517
Unironically this

>>62279517
(You)

LEAVE LINUX ALONE!!!!!!
PLEASE JUST STOP WINDOWS IS THE REAL ENEMY!

>>62280694
Imagine an entire OS that's just a kernel and something like Electron. Locked like macOS to only Google-devies which will have minimal physical data capacity because every single programm is just a javascript provided by a webserver and everything is saved in the cloud.

>>62284554
>Take any normalfags computer
>install any linux distro
Level 0:
>1/3 chance wifi driver doesn't exist
>tryhard like an autist and recompile kernel with some shitty driver some hobbyist hacked together 20 years ago
Level 1:
>1/3 chance sound driver doesn't work
>see level 0 but this time, some small-annoyance like 100% volume after reboot will remain forever
>tell yourself you don't actually want a solution anyway and cling to some imagined advantage this situation has
Level 2:
>Open webbrowser
>Cannot scroll without screen tearing
>music player triggers bugged notification because it didn't decide to be a gnome app fast enough

Desktop Linux is a fucking mess and it will never change

>>62285107
>also gui is subjective and serves no point being argued about

perfect argument in favor of using the one that actually lets you customize to your personal subjective taste

>>62289632
It has changed, thanks to Google releasing ChromeOS and chromebooks.
It's kind of funny though, the only reason linux has any consumer OS growth is because of a walled garden version.

>>62289632
>Take any normalfags computer
>Install Windows from CD
>resolution stuck at1024x768 and no network access because there are no drivers

The only reason you think Windows is easy to install is because it was already installed on the computer when you got it fuccboi

>>62289678
>there are more non-ChromeOS desktop linux users than desktop macOS users
The absolute state of macfaggot damage control.

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>>62289715
>there are more non-ChromeOS desktop linux users than desktop macOS users
LOL
pic related also includes chromeos into linux babe

>>62289632
>Level 0:
What are non-free drivers
>Level 1:
See level 0
>Level 2:
What is a compositor
Using gnome

Seriously, this are your problems with Linux? There are half a million issues but you pick examples of your own retardation?

>>62289871
>What are non-free drivers
Something that fails to exist for many devices.

>>62283584
Got a source on that?

>>62289810
>getting absolutely dominated by both Windows, Google, and Freetards
Hows does it feel?

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>>62279480
>fucks ya

>>62279517
This kind of writing and spacing only means that you're baiting or a teenager trying to seem cool. Fuck off with your false shilling you are derailing the thread

Sage

>>62289871
>Seriously, these* are your problems with Linux?
Due to there being multiple problems, 'these' is used instead of 'this'. Alternatively, "Seriously, this is your problem with linux" is acceptable.
Back to whatever you two are bickering about! ^-^

>>62289682
>resolution stuck at1024x768 and no network access because there are no drivers

Yeah you're absolutely right. 1999 windows sucked about as much as 2017 desktop linux.

Fuchs means fox in german

>>62289978
Yeah, sorry.

>>62282541
>What am be related search terms

Read those words separately.
>European. History. People.

>/ˈfjuːʃə/

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>>62279480
>is fuschia going to kill all of linux's momentum?
not with that name degeso

>>62279480
I don't think you know the difference between open-source and free software

>>62279517
It's hilarious how salty /g/ gets over this.

Linux is great on the server, but the community is still a fractured mess. Hardware support is still meh, but /g/tards will screech that it's your fault for not wrestling with drivers and X configs for 3 days.

Windows is the shittiest OS, but it's popular because of support and legacy (which is ironically one of its biggest problems right now). It's a opium powered Victorian horror that needs slayed, but MS is suffering from such a huge amount of brain drain they have no hope of pulling off something like Apple did during PPC -> Intel

macOS is quite nice, but in contrast to popular opinion I think it's better off being tightly controlled. Apple can push features and integration because they control everything. On a technical note, I think Darwin turned out to be a great OS, although many problems lurk in the kernel. The looming cloud of iOSification is also concerning.

Ubuntu failed because they wasted money on ventures everyone knew was doomed to fail. A phone? A TV platform? Mir? Shuttleworth was throwing shit at the wall in the hope that something would stick. If they maintained a cohesive, focused vision and weren't afraid to push Linux in the direction they wanted they could have taken over.

If Google implements a loldroid compatibility layer, there's a good chance they can do it. It's going to take a long time to kill Android off though. The "just works" part is highly dependent on them maintaining tight control over the software stack. So many Android-centric ventures (Tango, Pay, Dream, etc.) have failed because the hardware manufacturers were to cheap or lazy to keep up. I think they are going in the wrong direction with their license choice, given that closed-source kernel modules will make long term support even more of a nightmare.

>>62279517
>we need to get rid of Java too

Does anyone want to tell him about Dart? And how it's basically Google's homegrown version of Java?

>>62290570
>long term support
you think phone companies care about long term support? LOL

>>62290570
>for not wrestling with drivers and X configs for 3 days.

In the year 2006 this was still somewhat of a thing. Nowadays if you are doing that you fucked up somehow.

>>62279480
Given Google's recent... PR, it's going to be difficult to get even normies to adopt this

>>62291592
Android O's only actual 'feature' was the ability to implement longterm support that works around vendors.
iPhone has already been providing longterm support.
BB10 still works great on the first gen model released.
Windows Phone outside of Edge still does the job well.

>>62291675
Normies won't know it exists. Just like they have absolutely no idea what a Kernel even is, or the fact Android has one.
>>62290570
Absolutely in agreement.

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>>62279480
No, because Linux never had momentum to begin with, that increase in the desktop marketshare was all thanks to Chrome OS.

>>62290570
>given that closed-source kernel modules will make long term support even more of a nightmare.
I'm sure you mean closed-source drivers (which will run in userspace like everything else).
>loldroid compatibility layer
Android is mostly a bunch of libraries and a java runtime. It's not really tied to a specific kernel; it could be ported to fuchsia just fine, and it will probably be.
>>62291359
Go, not dart.
Dart is more like google's javascript, unrelated.

>>62291856
you know chrome os is linux right?

>>62291890
The point she's making is that linux isn't at all recognizable to the market. ChromeOS + chromebooks are. Android is. Effectively the only "linux" success consumer wise is through Google.

>>62279480
Haha, I give up. google fucking owns me and everything i use. Now the os too? haha, fuck.

>>62291907
>consumer wise
>implying it's a bad thing

>>62291880
>Android is mostly a bunch of libraries and a java runtime. It's not really tied to a specific kernel
This is where you are wrong.

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its actually the opposite

with google trying to control android and chrome all of these years and failing they have resorted to clinging onto magenta (fuschias kernel)

google bought android and chromeOS is based off gentoo, and magenta is forked from freebsd

they dont make anything and are upset that the GPL is too restictive to their business wo they ran to BSD/mit/apache licenses which will allow them to setup a terms of service and lock it down at any point

they arent prevented from making clauses or updates to the license

>inb4 b-b-but they cant

Apple/Sony/Nintendo already are doing that ie macos/ps4/switch

all the BSD devs got cuk'd because the GPL protected us

it forces them to do work by providing patches back upstream to the rest of us who are responsible for the work they stole

>>62291856
which provided us with lots of upstream support for the kernel

just like android has provided
>battery optimizations
>wifi chipsets and freq
>basically the whole bluetooth kernel stack
>thermal profiles
>soc optimization
>arm arch
loads of others im sure too

>>62279480
Why would anyone think that linux needs momentum and for what? Is this some kind of sporting event or a contest? If marketshare is a sign of success then take a look at the ugly cars people drive around in to be miserable going somewhere they don't want to go to live a life they'd rather not.

>>62293745
>responsible for the work they stole
Why are you contributing to it if you're afraid of people 'stealing' it?

>>62279517
copypasta

Dart: good or bad?

>>62286436
Linux
JACK

>>62291359
>>62291880
>Go, not dart.
Fucksya uses Dart. Dart 2.0 is more like modern Java than Go is. It is statically typed with classes, single inheritance, generics. etc.

>>62296638
>uses dart
Sure. For what, though.
The important stuff is written in c++ and go, as far as I can tell.

>>62296606
nobody uses that shit

>>62296714
>For what, though.
The actual graphical apps. Scripting.

>>62279517
I think

a big company with monopoly on half of our lifes

can do it
yea this is going to work out real fine long term

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i thought the name was a play on "fuck cia" at first

>>62280647
>hardware

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>>62279480
First thought is that it is a botnet os
But how can that be when it's open source?

>>62297329
Signed firmware.

>>62279989
>not rooting and flashing a gappless rom as soon as you get a phone
It's a botnet for normalfags

>>62279480
Definition of botnet.

>>62293799
>battery optimizations
Nope
>wifi chipsets and freq
Nope and what is freq?
>basically the whole bluetooth kernel stack
I have no idea, but bluetooth still sucks on linux
>thermal profiles
Nope
>soc optimization
Even more nope, as socs have blob running in the kernel. The kernel doesn't manage the soc at all
>arm arch
Nope.
They didn't support wayland, they used their own,
They didn't push any manufacturer to give oss drivers, like linux did with atheros, they didn't support at all any of available libraries like gkt or qt, they removed every right to touch your system, you can't even block ips without rooting, they've done everything to create an ad driven os but because linux is gpl they ditch it because they don't care about linux, they care about user control.

>>62279517
Google shill, noone needs another os that will force companies to write new drivers incompatible with everything else out the and fragment the oss development even more.
Your whole description points to shitty driver development, but instead of focusing on driver "bettering", you suggest a new os from scratch and a new drivers from scratch.
So instead of doing some X work to fix drivers, let's do 150*X to make drivers, a new kernel mode api, new userspace, adjust the existing /w and don't forget the new kernel stack.
Lowiqb8m8

>>62296638
So, another 3-4 iterations of fuckshiat will be spent on optimizations trying to fix dart's shitty implementation...just like they did with android and java

>>62297538
Doubt it.
>dart's shitty implementation
The DartVM is similar to, but faster than, V8, so Dart is already fast. As long as they don't screw up the application architecture, Fucksya will never be as bad as pre-5.0 Android.

>>62297538
android never got fixed

>>62279696
who the fuck actually clicks on ads anyways?
I can count on 1 hand how many times I actually clicked on a ad, and half of them were accidental

>>62285024
>he doesn't know that using EXT4 completely eliminates the need to defrag
>he doesn't know that NTFS is possibly one of the worst filesystems still in use

>>62284763
my installation of modded skyrim is more stable than android

>>62289964
>This kind of writing and spacing
That kind of spacing was appropriate.
initial proposition
OS 1
OS 2
OS 3
conclusion
stinger

You've spent too long on twitter, kid.