/pcbg/ PC Building General

Deciding on a B350 mobo for my build, got it down to 3 contenders based on availability where I live:
>MSI PC Mate, cheapest has USB C
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2DzK8/msi-b350-pc-mate-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-pc-mate

>ASRock gaming K4, intermediate price also has USB C
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CczZxr/asrock-fatal1ty-ab350-gaming-k4-atx-quad-cpu-am4-motherboard-fatal1ty-ab350-gaming-k4

>Gigabyte Gaming 3, most expensive no USB C
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2pnG3C/gigabyte-ga-ab350-gaming-3-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350-gaming-3

Any reason not to get the MSI board? Is there going to be a substantial difference in BIOS updates and whatnot between these manufacturers?

>>62256317
What processor are you going to use?

Do you plan on OC-ing?

>>62256389
R5 1600, yes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jJ6YxY
R8
I already have my HDD and a 7700k

>>62256401
Then the MSI one will be fine, even if you took it to 4GHz the VRMs have plenty good enough heatsinks for the 6-core.

plus the MSI one has an M.2 slot for meme SSDs

>>62256416
inb4 rgb gay

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>>62256416
>>62256441

Don't get an Nzxt aio. Already about to rma my 3rd one in 8 months because of pump failures. Check their forums or the nzxt reddit, it's full of aio failures.

Ima try and get a refund for mine. Pic related, taking it out to rma... Again

>>62256599
>Already about to rma my 3rd one in 8 months because of pump failures.
I wouldn' put that on NZXT. 95% of all AIOs use the same Asetek pump. Just shit luck of the draw.

>>62256599
I may just go with the Corsair h115i then. I really liked the aesthetics of the x62, but if pump failures are common, maybe the h115i is better, especially with its longer warranty

>>62256089
>>62256128
Well, I picked the GTX 1080 since it would let me upgrade to better shit eventually but I'm definitely not looking to get Win10 so I guess I'll have to rethink this whole thing a bit.

Based on the OP, something like the RX570 would be better for the 1080p60 minimum mark I'm shooting for. What would be a good CPU to pair with this if I intend to run Win7 for at least the next few years?

Win7 vs Win10?

Have been gone a while from the windows world, last time I used windows, it was 7 and it was pretty good. But now I want to play some new games, so I can I trust for win7 to still work for them?

Or does win10 do some magic fuckery so games play better/faster? Or are some games win10+ only?

>>62256429
I pulled the trigger with the MSI board. Thanks.

>>62256645

Well that sucks, definitely gonna ask for a refund and go back to air. Only reason I got an Aio was because Temps would theoretically be better than an air cooler since I have an open air gpu.

>>62256656
>Windows 7
please don't. If you have to use an older version of windows, use Windows 8.1.

>>62256674
Windows 10 can actually take advantage of more cores, so if you have more than 4 cores, you want Windows 8 or newer.

>or does win10 do some magic fuckery so games play better/faster?
only think this applies to DirectX12 games that just started rolling out, since DX12 focuses on muti-thread performance rather than single-thread as has been done since the dawn of man.

>>62256199
What a horrible deal, where was this posted?

>>62256719
Well then, I guess it's worth considering win8/10. I'll only have 4 cores, might up that in a year or so.

Also, is there anything I should watch out for with win8/10? Doesn't it phone home or some scary shit like that?

>>62256747
For windows 10 make sure you don't enroll yourself in a shitty beta that you can't get out of and disable as many data collection features as possible

>>62256725
not OP, but aside from the price, I don't really see anything wrong with it.

>>62256747
Windows 10 is a botnet that collects your metadata to sell to advertisers. It's why you can get it for free on Microsoft's website.
I wouldn't worry about it though. Google and Facebook do the exact same fucking thing.

I'm currently using Windows 10 after having used windows 7 and 8 for a long ass time and it really seems like a night and day difference to me.

>>62256766
Thanks anon. Last question - is it worth buying it in store? If I get the home version for something like a 100$, will I regret it? Getting old and lazy to spend time on sifting torrents for that one binary without a rootkit. I'd rather my data go to MS than some kids in russia.

>>62256783
Really, what's the biggest thing that's different?

>>62256199
I'd punch the nigger who would try to rip me off with this trash system

>>62256811
>Really, what's the biggest thing that's different?
ease of use.
Windows 8 was a PITA

>>62256416
Anyone else have any advice? I think I'm ready to go.

>>62256832
Got it, thanks. It'll just be a gaemin machine, might also use it to watch videos or photos or something.

>>62256599
This reads like made up bull shit

I've been using asetek for 7 years and their shit never fucking breaks.

3 in 8 months, you must be doing something wrong.

>>62256811
You can buy the USB installer online. It's what I did, but make sure not to buy the OEM version as that will only work once and if you change your parts you will have to buy again.

>>62256783
The price is the biggest problem but buying a brand new FX-8350 today is just mental.

Been tinkering and settled on this.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qVjthq

Any other suggest adjustments?

>>62256929
>FX-8350
>not buying a Ryzen 5 1600 or one of Intel's upcoming 6 core coffee lake chips

>>62256929
The fact remains it's decent for gayming. especially if you don't like monopolies.

>>62256879

I'm just giving my experience dude, and maybe saving this guy a future headache.

At the end of the day I don't get anything if he doesn't buy it, he can still do whatever he wants.

>>62256199
is CORSAIR CMK8GX4M2B3200C16R VENGEANCE LPX RED 8GB
compatible with
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK RETAIL ?
The QVL list has CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R but i dont know if its the same chip.
Will it run at 3200mhz or i am better of with a 2666/3000 ram kit?

>>62256199
shit op

>>62256416
>7700k
AHAHAHHAHAHAH

>>62256974
But it's bad for the price... that's the entire point

>>62257006
Corsair Vengeance should work fine

>>62256931
That looks good. Try to OC your RAM.

>>62257026
oh, it's overpriced by like $500, but it's a decent build though.

>so many dumb people posting on LTT forums
>want to roast the shit out of their retarded purchases like I do in /pcbg/
>know I'd get banned bigtime

It's a hard life not being able to tell people to kill themselves.

>>62257263
What do you mean my 7700k is too much for 1050 Ti??!!

>>62257301

It's rather simple, a 1050 Ti will bottleneck (holding back) the 7700K

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>>62257301
What do you mean the Hyper X cloud is shit?

What do you mean 1x8GB of RAM is a bad idea?

What do you mean Asscock boards are dogshit?

What do you mean I'm a retarded faggot for waiting months to save pennies on a GPU after the mining craze (hopefully) dies down?

I want to build a PC for a relative (no overclocking).
Maximum budget is $1000 including windows and a monitor.
Common programs would be older and lower powered games (Minecraft, Sims, Stardew valley) and general web browsing.

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Temptation

>>62257373
Nice blog.

Maybe post a pcpartpicker so instead of wasting everyones time with them having to make the choices for you, you can make the choices yourself and we'll correct the retarded ones.

>>62257024
?

>>62257311
I was being sarcastic but that's the type you see. People don't think twice about buying high end processor but flip their shit if you tell them to spend it on graphics card.

>>62257450
newfag

>>62256725
I'm OP's brother, this steal of a deal was memory express in edmonton

>>62258374

You should beat them to death with a hockey stick.

>>62257263
Can I run GTX 1080 Ti and 7700K (overclocked) on my case's included 400W PSU?

>>62258436
Yeah dude sounds great so long as you enjoy smoke inhalation.

I have a question about Power Down Enable (for memory) which is an option in my BIOS. From a search I understand it's only for low-powered devices and I don't need it enabled on my desktop? I was reading an AMD blog post about OC'ing memory and came across the option while following along (which isn't mentioned in the article).

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings

>>62257450
The general consensus is that Ryzen r5/r7 will give you better overall performance for less money then anything intel has to offer for the moment.

>>62257263
What are you even doing on the LTT forums to begin with?

>>62258476
I have literally nothing else better to do.

>>62258459
Maybe in more multithreaded tasks, but im pretty much only gaming, and i got my 7700k for 250 so the price pound for pound is much better than an r7 for gaming

is it safe to assume that $500 is the new price floor for any decent gpu and this wont ever be changing? I highly doubt current demand is still from crypto fags, its probably artificially restricted but too many people are willing to pay the premium anyway.

>>62258605
Even in gaming, the difference is minimal. the R5 1600 can match the 7700k in a number of titles and is only slightly slower in others. You'll never notice the difference between 138fps and 144fps

>>62258678
the difference is only really minimal in 4k gaming where the GPU becomes the bottleneck. In 1080p and 1440p the changes range from 10-30% in favor of the 7700k. On a budget, the R5 1600 is definitely a better purchase, but for a high end gaming build, the 7700k is still a more attractive option, especially for high refresh rates.

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>>62256199
For sale, $999, no low ballers.

>>62258835
Wow, what a steal, whoever picks this badboy up is surely getting a bargain.

>>62258835
>cable management
>CX750
>HSF orientation

>>62258835
not the place, retard
also way too high

>>62258859
A joke, my dude.

My GPU, an old sapphire hd 7870 died recently. Is there any safe way if its dead for sure? I tried but i dont receive a signal from the card anymore, just a blue screen when starting the pc.
But to my main question: Im on a budget for upgrading atm and want a inbetween solution for the next 1,5 years. Is the GTX 1050(Ti) my choice of card?

>>62258921
1050ti is exactly what you are looking for. Its not the greatest bang for buck, but its the only half decent gpu available in that price range. You could also consider the 1060 3gb but I fear its a bad investment at this point.

>>62258921
>Is there any safe way if its dead for sure?
Have you tried a fresh install of windows with older drivers? Reseting the BIOS? Testing it in another computer? If it's truly dead you could try the baking method. Otherwise you could also look into a used gpu.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pQnZM8
Best budget build,
>fucking miners
only 6 pin 1050ti is$180
1060/6 is $280
RX is being held captive
only hope is older gen cards in local sales.

fuck it, I could get a 1500x prebuild with a 580 from Ibuycyberdildos.fag for 800 or less.

Hate myself for not picking up an rx 480 8gb for 200. Kms pls

>>62258436
No offense, but if you paid that much for a GPU and CPU (like a grand?) then why not play just a drop more to SECURE those and make sure they have no problems and get a better PSU?

Seems like common sense no?

>>62259200
It was a sarcastic response to the dude who mentioned retarded posts of this nature he was reading on Low Test Tips forums

>Try to enter that XFX art contest for an RX 580
>Spend week sketching my ass off coming up with brand concepts out the ass
>Realize I can't paint, and also that painting is a horrible artform
Oh right.

>>62259294
t. artlet

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Redpill me on this board

>>62259325
Sketching: Make an approximation of something quickly and with the ability to be relatively accurate

Painting: Make a relative approximation of something slowly and tediously by pushing paint around until something looks vaguely like the thing you're trying to represent.

>>62256199
Okay fags, random question. I have a 4790k, do I upgrade to coffee lake when it releases or spend my money on a new GPU?

>>62259383
ASS

ROCK

>>62259496
You'll be fine on the 4790K, no need for covfefe lake

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>>62259496
Here is my build right now. Any recommendations, besides ram?

>>62259516
That is what I was thinking; just wanted some input.

>>62259383
Basically, there's nothing to redpill. It's got one of the better VRMs of the high-end X370 boards, all of the expected premium features, on-board wireless AC, and it's about $200. Supply limitations were the only reason to consider comparably priced X370 boards back during launch, so it doesn't have any serious competition at this point.

>>62259515
Which means?

>>62259540

Depending on the games you play, maybe video card. For esport garbage like LoL or OW you're fine, if you want to take advantage of other shit @1440p@100+fps you're going to need a 1080 or 1080ti

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Will I be able to run Ni no Kuni with this build?
>Pic related
>My list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LybdRG

Also, is there any way to get this down to $700-$800? $900 (Not counting the $150 monitor) seems a bit excessive considering the small amount of money I have. I was thinking about getting an AMD 1400 and 1060 6GB instead of an AMD 1600 and 1050 4gb.

Thoughts?

As I sit here debating how to finalize that 7700K build, I realize that I really don't want to deal with the 7700K's bullshit.

Based on my personal philosophies regarding products and acceptable temperatures, the 7700K is a fucking abomination born of chaos magic.

>>62259859
Took you long enough

I want to play Fallout 4, Doom (2016), Civilization 6, Total War: Warhammer, Star Wars Battlefront II, The Witcher III, and No Mans Sky. Do you think this build would run those games at high settings?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wmh47h

>>62259859
Like, I really sort of think the reason they're giving so many 7700Ks away is because they want to get people loyal to the Intel brand despite the fact that investment in the Intel brand for a 7700K just means they effectively break a broom handle off in your ass. Because Intel doesn't support long term platforms.

>>62259902
And Grand Theft Auto V with Mods.

>>62259859
You think that's bad? Look at Skylake X

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>>62259904
I mean, shit, The 7700K is the embodiment is the exact reason why AMD failed in the first place. AMD failed because they became entirely reliant on big, hot, slapdash CPUs that basically tried to brute force everything to make up for technical incompetence. Intel couldn't even fab the fucking 7700Ks to not have a fatal design flaw across every unit.

>>62259763
massive overspend on a case with your budget
look for something at $50 or less
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dsTs2R

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>>62259961
And yes, before anyone tries to defend Intel, having people putting your fucking processor in a vice to pop the top off to fix the thing you fucked up on is unacceptable.

Having people talking about 90*+ being an acceptable running temperature for hardware is unacceptable.

>>62259902
Sure. The Witcher III seems to be a bit more iffy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHcOeRhBBIc

Maybe need to drop it to medium for 60fps.

For 144 gaming at high settings you want at least 16gb memory @3200 right?

>>62259961
>>62259993
i5 2500kfag here. I have not kept up with processors since I bought this, wtf are you talking about and what did intel do?

>>62260104
Medium is fine for some games but as long as most of them are at high I'm happy.

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>>62260136
Intel focused on IPC and
>muh Ghz
So you can get a Core i7 4 core, 8 thread CPU with untouchable single thread performance and will overclock to 5.2 Ghz isi you hit the silicon lottery (4.8-5.0 Ghz if you don't) but the tings use thermal paste between the die and the heat spreader instead of being soldered.
So as a result, new overclockable Intel chips will regularly see temperatures of 90°C, sometimes even with water cooling.
Delidding a 7700K will lower temperatures by a full 30 degrees.
And they do the same thing for the new HEDT Skylake X parts, except those have shy-high TDPs to start with, so they will throttle at 100° even with high end AIO liquid coolers

On the other end of the efficiency scale is AMD's new Ryzen processors. Ryzen still follows the "MOAR CORES!" philosophy of the FX chips, but the architecture isn't hot garbage this time.
AMD's Ryzen 7 1700 is an 8 core, 16 thread CPU priced similarly to the i7 7700K, with similar performance, but just a 65W TDP.

>>62260136
So the 7700K is pretty much the top of Intel's general consumer line at the moment. It's the thing marketed towards gamers. It's a 4.2ghz 4-core that can OC to 5ghz. What it does well, it does well by brute force via single-core performance.

It always runs hot. Very hot. 70* idling hot. And people realized one way to fix this comes down to improper cooling. So they put the chip in a vice and pop the top casing off of it to apply a better thermal solution.

You shouldn't have to do that.

>>62260255
>>62260259
>Delidding a 7700K will lower temperatures by a full 30 degrees.
>idling at 70c
You've got to be joking. It might have great single core performance but that can't be worth it. Without delidding, is it even possible to keep it below TJmax at full load?

>>62260255
Reminder that Intel's 10 core 7900x runs hotter and consumes more power than AMD's 16 core 1950x.

>>62260336
>Without delidding, is it even possible to keep it below TJmax at full load?
nope.

Basically, in an age where streaming is a thing and devs are starting to utilize multiple cores, Intel is in real fucking trouble.

US, looking to build with a budget of around $1.2k. I would like to play new games at high settings(online and offline) and maybe get into some photography editing. Open to any suggestions/advice. Thanks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YRQTLD

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So Ether is falling through the floor again. Cheap cards soon?

>>62260427
AMD bet heavily on multi-tasking before with Bulldozer, and it cost them
Looks like they've finally got it right

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>>62260406
So it's not even really usable. Any sign of refunds/recalls/lawsuits?

>>62260485
>TFW no Finnish gf

>>62260459
3200MHz RAM

>>62260478
Well, here's some perspective.

The safe internal temperature when cooking chicken is 74*C. The 7700K runs in the 90s. You could cook a turkey with it.

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>>62260427
yup. And AMD has set themselves up to take over the world with their fantastic multicore performance and the fact they can just plop on another die if they need more power. The Epyc server CPUs have 4 fucking dies.

Add in the fact the Zen 2 CPUs are guaranteed to have an IPC boost and better overclocking and Intel is pretty well fucked.

>>62260427
>>62260478
Are programs actually using multiple cores starting to get popular now? That single threading performance is still tempting, but I've not looked into these things for awhile.

>>62260494
Would I need that more for games/video streaming or photo editing?

>>62260516
We're really still in the "multi-tasking" phase of things as people will play vidya AND stream AND have a browser with a billion tabs open at all at once more and more often
But more and more vidya games are starting to get better at multiple cores

>>62260535
The thing pushing me towards trading the 7700K for a 1700 is entirely based on the potential to finally be able to stream without a performance hit.

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>>62260549
related

>>62260460
Ethereum is not like bitcoin. Bitcoin was in a league of it's own, all by itself and proving the concept of cryptocurrencies.

Ethereum is just the most popular of dozens of cryptocurrencies that are all equally viable and relatively stable investments (especially compared to BTC of old)

Crypto and the resulting GPU shortage ain't going anywhere.

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>>62260559
>All those "moar coars" faggot's faces

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVh47h

updated from>>62260459

>>62260606
Don't get the black series HDDs. It's a meme. Get either a 1TB WD Blue, or a 2TB Seagate Barracuda

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>>62260559
haha ryzen is so shitty it made the car stop rendering

>>62260615
Ok, I am just curious, why wouldn't you recommend the black series?

>>62260587
What a fucking LOSER

>>62260621
Well memed and also Ryzen is on the left

>>62260606
Ryzen motherboards do not support more than 3200 mhz memory at the moment.

>>62260627
They're loud because they're meant for industry.
I have a 1TB Black, but only because I pulled it from a prebuilt I was given.

>>62260606
looks good, $100 more for a 1080 might be a better investment

>>62260636
Ok thanks, would you recommend any other companies/models? PCpartpicker gives me an incompatibility warning when I go w/ the 1TB blue.
>>62260639
I have been tossing that idea around. Might wait a bit longer and stump for that.

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>>62260559
>1700 not even OC'd

>>62260654
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/867fWX

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>>62260660
>GN claimed they didn't OC because they just didn't need to
>getting BTFO at stock vs a heavy OC

>>62260674
Thank you, I appreciate the help.

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Here's hoping I can find someone willing to buy a 7700K for $300.

>>62260559
My inner skeptic tells me that there's some serious bullshit going on; is there?

>>62260700
Streaming with cpu encoding is quite taxing and 7700k's lack of cores/threads can't keep up with the workload.

>>62260700
nope.The game is using all 4 cores and 8 threads of the Intel CPU leaving virtually nothing available to help stream the video to youtube.
Meanwhile, the Ryzen chip has 8 cores and 16 threads at its disposal so it can still multitask moar

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>>62260700
I think it's just a thing where sometimes MOAR POWERRRR won't help you.

The 7700K has been sketchy since inception.

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>>62260722
well there's also the fact the 7700K isn't new. It's just a 6700K at slightly higher stock clocks.

>>62260636
If they don't support it but I have something w/ 3333mhz will it just cap it at 3200 or will I run into other issues?

>>62260744
it'll probably run at 2133 mhz and you'll have to manually overclock the ram using XMP profiles to 3200 mhz

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Windows 10 Home?
You got me real fucked up

What's a good board for the ryzen 1600 for the price? No asrock, always have problems with them.

>>62260731
it's almost like Intel used AMD's absence to fuck over the customers with their sudden hegemony or something, I dunno

>>62260768
MSI Carbon X370 or B350

>>62260768
MSI B350 Tomahawk and its Arctic variant

>ASUS doesn't make an AM4 TUFboard
Boo.

>>62260768
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144047

>>62259078
>Ibuycyberdildos.fag
kek

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Is the GTX 750 Ti still viable at resolutions below 1080p?

EVGA has them used for around $80 with a 1 year warranty and my power supply would definitely support it (EVGA 500B w/ 40a on the 12v rail) as well as supporting my VGA monitor.

>>62260831
Depends on what you're playing
Still have GTX660 and Phenom II X4 in my computer, and it'll play things like Rocket League and CS:GO at 1080 with pretty good settings

I need legit help with this shit. Is all of this shit useless if I upgrade the cpu and mobo?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVtwBP

I also feel like I got shafted on the gpu, got it used for 200$

>>62260846
>Rocket League and CS:GO
Those are esports titles that run fine on a potato

>>62260778

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

How's this look for an update?

The 60 series is a big step up- lowest of the high end, but watevs

>>62260870
It looks blank and empty

Those other anons were right though, the MemeStars International Gaming Pro and Tomahawk motherboards are also good choices and are cheaper than the Carbon.

>>62260846
Dark Souls III & PUBG would be the games I'm looking at most right now

I dont trust their minimum system requirements for various reasons but especially cause they are likely tested at 1080p whereas I'm running 1280x1024

>>62260870
Embarassing.

>>62260866
You got shafted on everything. With a new build, the only things that could carry over are the GPU< HDD, and PSU, and the GPU is already struggling with games since you need 4 GB of vram for modern gaming.

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>>62260870
use the permalink faggot

>>62260888
>PUBG
that doesn't even run that well on the latest generation of hardware, you'd get smoked with a 750

>>62260886
I'm too lazy to add every autistic part I already have. Much difference with msi and asus on the new mobos?

>>62260922
"No"

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>>62260870

>>62260913
not necessarily
poorly optimized games tend to run like shit on everything

>>62260870
Ok I'm retarded here's the permalink

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrJjzM

>>62260922
Then don't ask for build advice if you can't be bothered

>>62260942
looks good anon!

>>62260942

Unless you are using a dual-graphics setup you don't really need X370

>>62260942

>>62260955
Or an ATX build

>>62260893
I figured that. Guess I'll just shop around for a new gpu until I get the mobo and cpu. Thanks.

>>62260976
don't forget new ram. DDR3 won't work in the new DDR4 sockets. It won't physically fit

>>62260955
Valid point, b350 it is then. Thanks anon

>>62260971
Where's your itx build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7znZM8
Gaming rig, anything marked as {Purchased) is carrying over from current build
Probably buying more fans too, but that's a question for later

>>62261030
Get a cheaper case, I suggest the Meshify C. TG & way better for less the cost.
Also, get a Samsung SSD. That one isn't NVME.

>>62260996
Cool, I just bought 16gb last month. Last impulse buy I make.

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>>62258678
>Even in gaming the difference is minimal
Now you are going to bitch and moan about the developers not optimizing their game but the truth is not every dev is going to optimize their game for you.

>>62261070
That's literally a pyrrhic victory, though.

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>>62261016

>>62261093
>Screenshot

Someone is selling an EVGA gtx 1060 in my area for $220, should I jump on that?

>>62261084
The truth is if all you are doing is gaming and nothing else, a 7700k will serve you better. If you do other CPU intensive stuff or game + stream, then a ryzen is better.

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>>62261093
>That sag

>>62261101
Is it 3gb or 6gb?

>>62261101
no

>>62261097

image from my phone is over 4mb, took a screenshot of my photo to reduce size

>>62261101
It's a 3gb, isn't it.

>>62261103
Doesn't change the fact that the 7700K can cook a turkey at stock speeds.

>>62261109

Yeah its from my aio lines pushing down on it.

unfortunate

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>>62261116

>>62261120
Yeah

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>>62261109
I miss when gpus were sexy...

>>62261093
That's more micro at's tho. Not even pick level m9

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>>62261130

>>62261101
If 3GB, not a chance
If 6GB, it's worth a look

>>62261127
7700k spikes to 90. Not a constant 90. During gaming, your GPU is going to produce way more heat than your CPU ever will.

Again I am not defending 7700k, it is shit but it has its niche. Unlike the Vega.

>>62261133
Fuck that dude. That's like within sale range of a regular 6gb pre-buttcoin craze.

>>62261161
>worth a look
used GPUs and components are only worth a look if they are massively discounted (like, 60% off at the least)

First of all, you have no guarantees of anything, it could be heavily used, damaged from ESD, or something could be wrong with the fan bearings, etc. and you'd never know til you got home. You won't get the warranties either so if it IS fucked, or fucks up within it's lifetime, you blew close to full price for nothing when you could've spent a few dollars more and been covered for years.

saving $50 now is not worth losing $220 in a month

IS
CPU = AMD Ryzen 1800x
Cooler = Noctua
RAM = 16GB G.Skill DDR4
Board = Gigabyte Aorus
worth $700? Guy by me is selling this + a 1080 GTX for $480

>>62261236
No. Something is amiss. Why is he selling a rig that neat so soon? Might be stolen.

>>62261236
which GSkill RAM, specifically
if it's Flare, very definitely

>>62261236
something's fishy here. a GTX 1080 can sell for the price of that entire system

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How is this for my first build? I want the 7700k for gaming mainly but I wanna stream sometimes so idk if this or the ryzen 7 1700x . I know the 7700 has more power on most games and the 1700x does perform a bit worse but I heard its good for streaming and video edition and such. The 7700k is also 330 where the 1700x is 300 as of now. Please give me your thoughts.

>>62261283
You don't need a Ryzen 7 for gaming and streaming. a Ryzen 5 1600 would perform that fairly well.

>>62261236
he's going to kidnap or murder you, definite scam

>>62261283
You need a cooler for that CPU.

>>62261236

Do you get the case too?

1800x ~$350 nowdays, msrp was$500
Noctua Cooler:depends on which, but $60-90
16gb ram ~$150
Board~$100
total ~$660-90

1080 $460 is a good deal

I mean considering you don't have to pay tax, id say it's a decent deal.

>>62261280
>>62261259
>>62261257
It's San Jose, CA so it's very likely stolen but most of the people in that area that would steal that wouldn't know anything about computers. Seller seems pretty eager to get rid of it.

>>62256199
You guys think 200$ for an r9 390 is a good deal?

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I'm not going to win it, but it would be nice.

>>62261316
what contest is this?

>>62261308
Stolen goods then.
Good deal if you don't get traced to you.
Bad deal if it does. Just don't ever RMA any of those parts.

>>62261316
Best of luck anon.

>>62261316
>11GB
What a weird ass amount of ram for a card.

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>>62261301
I have one in mind. Will fit my tower perfectly.

>>62261316
Yeah what is this?

>>62261283
I don't know how many times this bears repeating but DO NOT BUY INTEL. Unless you know what you're doing, and understand what buying intel rn entails, you're better off buying Ryzen. It's a new chipset with guaranteed support for years to come, it's got significantly lower TDP (which means you don't have to know shit about cooling to maintain a decent temp), and you don't have to worry about choking up from too many tasks.

Buy the i7 and regret it in a few years, or buy R7 and don't give a fuck when it's time to upgrade again

>>62261330

The titan xp is 12gb of vram cant have a card that cost a fraction as much have the same vram

>>62261330
>3GB
>3.5 GB
>6GB
>11GB

>>62261338
I wish people like you posted everytime someone mentions Vega. Hilarious how anti-7700k /pcbg/ is and yet Vega posters always slide along with no issue.

>>62261377
If I see someone recommending vega, I poopoo them too but I don't see it as often.

Don't buy hot parts, it's that simple. Maybe someone should put it in the OP :thinking:

Can I get some input on
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q88LZ8

>Cancer RGB
>But I love the pretty lights.

I don't plan on streaming, just gaming at 1440p@60hz. I'd like to leave room to upgrade to 1440p@144hz. Probably upgrade to Zen2 when they roll around if they're half decent. Will this a 1600 be enough?

I couldn't find the Asus QVL. Will that RAM work? Cursory Googling says CL14 should be Samsung B dies, which usually work. IDK.

>>62261377
AMD fan here. I won't be touching Vega. I'll stick with Polaris until navi comes out.

That said, no one recommends Vega

>>62261390
With a 1080ti you sjould be aiming for 1440p@144hz. As far as I know it's a good build especially if you OC your CPU.

>>62261403
>>62261389
I think I have already seen 3-4 posters here with Vega builds. As in they posted their builds with Vega in them so really there are idiots residing in these threads that buy Vega.

>bought a 32GB set of DDR4
>16GB sticks
>one is faulty
>eligible for warranty replacement
>really need this computer now
What are the odds they'll be willing to just replace the one stick?

>>62261377
nobody even mentions Vega EXCEPT to ridicule it

>>62261390
That cooler is beyond overkill for a 1600. Otherwise looks good (I'm assuming you're firm on the RGB)

>>62261418
There are reasons to buy Vega. Just none that apply to myself.

>>62261322
>>62261335
Shop Your Way online thing. Here is a blatant ref link if you're interested. Like 2,000,000 entries or something. Slim to no chance as I only have 27.

https://www.shopyourway.com/app/2/l/sweepstakes/build-your-dream-prize/44011?p=eyJzVCI6IlVOSVFVRV9VUkwiLCJ1SSI6IjQ1NDY2ZWQ0LWU2YWEtNGUyOC04NTA1LTAyODRmOWEyMTgzYiIsInBJIjpudWxsLCJzUCI6ZmFsc2V9

>>62261425
Vega 56 can do some crazy shit if you have lots of money and time to set it up.

>>62261416
That's the plan-- but I'm going to upgrade in increments. I have a 1440p monitor already, and I plan on buying a 144hz monitor in Jan.

>>62261430
DESU I just like the way it looks. I realize I could get by on the Wraith. Pretty firm on the RGB. I'd like to get the tempered glass on the case tinted like the Meshify C is. I found a tinting shop here that seems willing to work with me on it. That should make it a little more subtle.

>>62261440
You have tinnitus and need constant white noise in your room?
You sold your space heater for a VEGA so you can have a GPU and a space heater?

>>62261418
Enthusiasts will buy things just for the novelty. I'd be more concerned if they were shilling vega than just using it

>>62261421

High? why the fuck would they need the other stick?

>>62261458
>Vega 56 can do some crazy shit if you have lots of electricity
FTFY

>>62261473
Wouldn't they want to receive the broken set and give me a new set?

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>>62261338
So this build is better?

>>62261491
At that price you might as well be getting 3200MHz memory.

>>62261468
both of those work.

>>62261486

I've never had to rma something and have to turn in everything. For example, my h100iv2 came with a faulty fan, I didn't have to turn in the radiator and pump, just the broken fan.

>>62261486
>they get back one dead stick and one used stick
>they lose two new sticks

vs

>they get back one dead stick
>they lose one new stick

>>62261491
much. Might be worth it to bump up to the Gaming Pro Carbon (although it doesn't mesh colorwise, it's got more features) but ultimately up to you.

>>62261491

Get 3200 ram

x370 board is a wastein a single card setup, get a b350

Ok so I am building my first computer here. My older is helping me out I have ordered everything on the list. I already have a monitor. Can someone just look at this and give me some feedback

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3yk47h

>>62261573
>80+ Platinum PSU
That's almost assuredly a waste for your build, and it's almost assuredly way too much wattage also
look for an 80+ Gold supply in the 600-650 watt range, like this one:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R7V48d/seasonic-power-supply-ssr650rm

>>62261613
honestly i picked that psu purely because it was white and fit my theme better than anything else i had found

>>62261573
>intel
read the OP

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>>62261559
Ok like this?

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>>62261573
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CxcdkT

Fixed. Your brother is going off past assumptions about AMD products, but AMD came back this year and destroyed Intel Everything said so far in this thread about the i7 7700K can be applied to the i5 7600K as well.

>>62261573
A lot of needless spending and not to beat a dead horse but this whole thread has been telling why intel is not a good purchase at the moment.

anyway, the memetexts
>intel
>mobo is overpriced especially considering you aren't using half the features
>RAM overpriced, plus you really didn't need 32gb of low speed, high latency RAM
>platinum efficiency takes like eight years of use to make up the price difference
>buying binbows
>buying a headset

on the other hand, your parts will serve you well enough now that you have them and the video card will probably be good to use in your next build down the road. You should kick your brother in the nuts though for his "advice"

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>>62261573
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3yk47h


7600k is garbage, get an R5 1600

Single radiator coolers are shit. Get a 240mm radiator or get an aircooler, I recommend the cryorig H7

Switch motherboard to b350

32gb is fucking retarded. Get 2x8gb at 3200mhz

750w powersupply is overkill, see pic related. Get something like the EVGA G3 550w

You can save $100 and get windows for free if you're not a baby

>>62261640
looks good. Just add an HDD for mass storage

>>62261640

Looks gucci dude. Could drop down to 550w psu, but you won't save much desu

>>62261639
Sorry I looked at the first sentence and ignored the rest because op is actually a faggot.

>>62261640
IMO this build is perfect if you had this as your max budget. I can personally vouch for the MOBO (only shame is that the LEDs might be covered by your gpu). For like ~$10 more you could get a 750w psu, it doesn't really matter but it could be nice futureproofing for ryzen 2

>>62261664
Yea I have one picked out also 1700 or 1700x? The 1700 comes with the led cooler but the 1700x is 1$ more lol

>>62261688
eeny meany miny mo

>>62261684
>I was an ignorant child because of a /b/ tier meme and put forth a retarded question because of it.
It's the same OP every thread. Read it and don't ask about intel again.

If I want to upgrade to Windows 10 Professional from Windows 7 OEM, and intend to use it professionally, do I have to buy a Windows 10 disc?

>>62261688

Do you plan to buy your own cooler in the future? If you do, for $1 more I'd get the 1700x, it's binned slightly higher so could be the difference between a 3.9 or 4.0 overclock, but no guarantee.

If you're just going to use the stock cooler, 1700 all the way.

>>62261649
thanks I will make sure to hit him hard enought that his children are crosseyed. See he told me basically what parts i would need and didn't get too much into the details. I did minor research before going in

>>62261709
no. You can download the tool and make a USB installer on a 4GB+ USB drive. Then install it off the USB drive and buy a key either through the Windows store or off kinguin.net
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-10

>>62261721

Should have posted here before pulling the trigger. You're build will be okay, just realize you could have saved money and gotten better performance.

>>62261703
real quick while we are on the subject do you think its worth the $200 just to go to the i7?

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>>62260831
Depends entirely on what you are planning on playing. I'm currently playing shitter games like HoTS/LoL/Overwatch/random older stuff at 1080p fine with a 4700mq and a 750m and up to lat year I could still play new games at passable settings (no AA and low to mid most calculation intensive options)
>yes I fell for the Gaming laptop meme

>>62261726
Are you sure that means I legally have a license and that I can use my PC for profit?
If so, why do they even sell discs for $250+ at retailers? Something doesn't add up.

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but not sure where else.

>>62261531
>>62261555
Sweet, that's what I figured.

>>62261740

Fuck no, you could have spent $0 extra and gotten an r5 1600

>>62261757
if you buy a key, or even if you don't, it's prefectky legal. Windows 10 is a botnet, so Microsoft makes money off you regardless whether or not you activate it

>>62261163
Vega has a niche as a compute unit which it does very well

>>62261736
I am sure that was gonna be the case. But hey such is life it will still be the fastest computer I have ever owned or played. I make decent money as I learn more about what I am actually doing I will make adjustments

>>62261740
see>>62261764

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pKHcXH
How's this for playing games @144 and streaming? Do I need to stump for the 1080?

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>>62261070
>GN specifically says not to use this graph as a comparison between Intel and AMD
>basing comparisons on betas

>>62256199
I'm currently debating getting a vega 56 gpu (currently using a gtx 670 2gb). I still run an i5 2500k at 4.4ghz (haven't tried for higher as asus z68 board and not sure how robust vrms are) will it be a bottleneck much? Games i predominantly play are BF1, assetto corsa and arma 3 as well as occasional sc2. I know amd has higher dx9/10/11 overhead but would that be an issue or fairly minimal considering my older processor. Also motherboard is pcie 2.0 not 3, would that bottleneck newer graphics cards?

>>62261720
Is it wrong I want the 1700 just for the rgb cooler?It looks nice plus I heard its not bad.

>>62261764
Try not to get Cheetos dust on your key board when you answer me you autist

So what are the drawbacks of single-channel RAM vs dual-channel? My one stick still seems to be running at 2133mhz.

>>62261791
Activision beta might as well be Activision release + bug fixes.

>>62261809
(You)

>>62261803
>Getting a Vega
Don't

>>62261845
)uoY(

>>62261709
>>62261726
if i'm not mistaken you can use the upgrade still
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

>>62261822
Dual channel RAM has double the access bandwidth of single channel.

>>62261919
So it's not as bad as I thought, nice.

>>62261851
What's wrong with them? I know they're probably power hungry but according to most folks they can be undervolted and architecture stuff like primitive discard may have a huge impact for games when they get around to implementing it in drivers.

What's the current status of SSD manufacturers?
Who's gud? I just noticed prices came down a lot.
last I looked, a 128gb cost about $160, now I can get 480gb for that.

>>62262009
250-500 GB is recommended. Best ones at the moment are Samsung 850 Evo, Crucial MX300, Sandisk Ultra II or an OCZ TL100

>>62262009
Samsung and Crucial seem to be tops
Western Digital is pretty good too

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So SSHDs are a giant meme, right?

>>62262044
Not a huge meme but at this point they're kind of pointless

>>62261958
Power hungry
Loud and hot
More expensive
Reference models only at the moment

Is m.2 a meme? Will booting from it instead of a normal ssd be a big improvement

>>62262044
pretty much

>>62262071
m.2 is a form factor. Only inherent difference is no cables.

>>62261915
Won't that just upgrade to Home Edition?

>>62262030
>Sandisk Ultra II
Well shit, I already ordered this
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-480GB-SDSSDA-480G-G26-Newest-Version/dp/B01F9G46Q8
did I make a mistake?

Is there any advantage to using an msata ssd over a standard ssd on a laptop?

>>62262076
well a legit 10 pro key is available on ebay for $10 so do that

>>62262071
M.2 is merely a form factor, which uses a different connector
An M.2 SSD should be indistinguishable performance-wise from a standard SATA SSD unless it's NVMe

>>62262088
not really no
if you have the slot, you may as well make use of it

>>62262079
Still decent

I'm trying to build my first rig and want your opinions on what I've selected so far. Keep in mind I don't have anywhere near your level of experience so try not to pick on me too hard if I end up making a mistake. My budget is a slightly flexible 2k.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/py8VNN

>>62262088
Some laptops have different speeds for M.2 slots, you'll have to check your laptop specs

>>62262079
that's perfectly fine, what you've got there

>>62262071
you're thinking of NVME M.2 ssds which use a pcie interface rather than sata
they are faster but they're best used as a scratch disc, there's no real gain otherwise

how much do 970 cost atm?

someone is selling one for $160 2nd hand.

>>62262108
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Np3Kjc

>ASRock

Go for the Flare X RAM, it saves a lot of headaches

If you plan to overclock heavily, you should go with the Pure Rock instead of the slim version....and if you don't, the stock cooler included with the 1600 will be more than enough

Don't buy a copy of W10 for that much, go get a license key from ebay or some such, it should cost half of that or less
Create your own install disk/thumbdrive with the latest version via Microsoft's website; older un-updated versions of W10 are known to be unstable with Ryzen

>>62262108
ditch the aftermarket cooler, the stock cooler is as good. Get a b350 motherboard to save some cash. Avoid asrock (no personal experience but I've never heard anything good about them, only bad)
Might want a smaller SSD and bigger HDD (better price for what you get). SSD is really only for system stuff and programs. You could get a 250gb m2 samsung for $100. The best buy easystore deal is still going on so you shuck it, you can score an 8tb WD RED for $170. Also might wanna bump up the RAM to 3200mhz, you can get that for $6 more

Everything else is ok. If your budget is $2000, you should consider the 1700 over the 1600

>>62262213
>Get a b350 motherboard to save some cash.
ASUS just announced this. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-B350M-PLUS-GAMING/

>>62262145
>check ebay
>crazy prices
>look up 980 windforce
>300-1,000 united states dollary doos
the fuck happened? I bought my 980 windforce a year ago for $230

>>62262233
>people trying to sell broken cards for $200
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-StriX-GeForce-GTX-980-Direct-CU-II-Edition-4GB-Graphics-Card-/322709719097?hash=item4b22ff8839:g:JGgAAOSwY7pZrDjv

>>62262233
Buttcoins.

>>62262170
>>62262213
Since I have no idea about this I might as well ask. What's wrong with ASRock?

>>62262271
Is it even practical to mine buttcoins with these cards? seems like a small drop in the ocean.

>>62262304
Well it's not really Bitcoin, but other new cryptos such as Etherium that don't need dedicated mining rigs to turn a profit. Ether is pretty much why a $250 GPU is $400 right now.

>>62262275
they were having issues with ram speeds and compability, particuarly on the AB350 Pro4 series but with updates it's solid now

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>>62262313
I figured it was already impractical on eth as well, neat. The only one I've been looking into is namecoin.
>tfw had 20 buttcoins when it first came out
>thought it was neat but wouldn't go anywhere, format HDD
I could have gone to college and had a nice car.

>>62262275
ASRock used to be synonymous with cheap-ass shit
They've gotten better since, but I still wouldn't trust them

>>62262145
Bought a 770 for 100$ few weeks ago, you can get then as low as 80$ if you're patient.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tkj3xY
I looking to upgrade my build from my aging i5 3570k and need Motherboard advice. Lots of SATA ports and a m.2 slot are high on my priority list.

I made a post a few months ago with the ASUS PRIME X370-PRO and /g/ tore me a new asshole saying it was going to overheat due to poor cooling onboard. So any advice would be appreciated.

Red, Blue, and Grey Fractal Design Focus Gs are on sale for $45 w/ free shipping

>>62262514
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBH48d/msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-pro-carbon

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I'm fairly new to anything involving pc building. My friend has a thermaltake cooler and I found a cheaper 1600x on eBay. The question I have is what kind of monitor would go good with this build? I have a 720p tv that can be used as a monitor but the refresh rate is only 60Hz. I plan on using this pc for school and some light gaming, and possibly dual booting so that I can learn to compile LineageOS builds for my phone.

>>62262170
>>62262213
How is it now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2H7kNN

>>62256811
you can literally download the iso from microsoft's site

>>62262722
Oh, nevermind. Obvious scammer.

>>62257323
>What do you mean 1x8GB of RAM is a bad idea?
It's not though.

>>62259078
That's a shit PSU. Also, why would you want a 6 pin 1050Ti?

>>62259763
You could just get a 1200

>>62259902
Go for a 1600 and a 1060 6GB. Also, faster RAM. And a PSU that's not a Corsair CX, they're shit.
That case isn't very good either but that doesn't really matter;

>>62260127
Sure. Your GPU will be a lot more important than RAM speed though.

So a Ryzen R7 1700 is just the base chip of the 1700X and 1800X without the OC and voltage through it, right?

>>62260831
You can get a 1050 for $100 new and it's quite a bit better. Getting a refurb 750 Ti would only be worth it for $50.

>>62260913
You need a good CPU more than anything for that game to run well.

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>>62262860

>>62261030
Looking good. Pony up for the 1600, you can regain the cost by getting a cheaper case like a Define R5 which is very silent.
Also why is everyone using that meh-tier PSU in their builds?

>>62261236
Sounds like a scam.

>>62261808
Yes it's a good cooler.

>>62257373
A cheap Bristol Ridge A10?
Works well for browsing and less demanding games and has a solid upgrade path

>>62261789
For 1080p144 you'll be fine. You won't be able to play things like Witcher 3 on ultra at 144 though, but 60 will be fine for those games.

>>62262275
Literally nothing. They were shit a few years ago, they're great now.

>>62262627
Get faster ram. 3200 is ideal, 2800 is the least I'd get. Get a 1050Ti, or at the very very least a 1050. The 1030 sucks major ass. Don't get a Corsair CX power supply, they're shit. Consider getting an SSD.

>>62262627
Get faster RAM, a better board, at least a 1050 or RX560 and a better PSU

>>62261789
The B350 gaming pro sucks

>>62262632
That's a really good build.

>>62262938
Where is this from?

1700X is the same price as the 1700 right now.

GTX 1080: MSI Gaming X, Zotac AMP! Extreme, Gigabyte G1, Asus ROG Strix or a complete different manufacturer?

>>62263137
reddit. Supposed source is siliconlottery.com
They could be lying because they profit from selling pretested processors.

>>62263152
Yeah I'd take this with a grain of salt. It's nice to see some stats corroborate the idea that the X chips are better binned though (which everyone more or less expected).
Still, that's a very small difference for the price you're paying.

>>62263149
Strix

>>62263149
Has it become that hard to find product reviews online?

>>62262938

Got Ryzen 5 chart?

>>62263175
yeah, it's not really worth it for Ryzen 7
But for Ryzen 3/5, assuming the binning still holds, it could very well be worth the $20-ish gap for more OC headroom