Anyone here actually a professional dev?

yes, what's up?

>>62226613
>cd
>cd..
>ls
>cd. /

>>62226613
i tried but getting hired is really hard if you're not a normie

Yes, startup dev work is interesting, and I would recommend working in a startup for a couple months to get a feel for it.

I want to get a normal job sooner rather than later though.

>>62226613
Is this a dude?

>>62226647
>if you're not a normie
So stay away from 4chan for a bit and try learning a thing or two from normies irl

>>62226613

8 years and counting

>>62226669

probably
kinda cute
a hole is a hole

What the hell is that? Obj-C in iTunes?

Define professional? Like 9-5 i'm just here so I don't get fined job?

>>62226669
Does it matter? I'd still fuck it
Don't care if it makes me gay

I'm a data engineer, which is fun.

>>62226702
obj-c in old version of xcode

>>62226702
Obj-C for sure.

>>62226665
Why would you want a normal job? Just work in startups and make your own after a few years of experience. Do you want to be a wagecuck or something?

>>62226723

lol
xcode has play and stop buttons
mactoddlers

>>62226744
Not him, but having a stable income for years without having to worry is really nice.

>>62226717

Do you actually have a degree in Engineering?
Or more like Dr Dre?

>>62226764
That's the trap of the comfort zone. If you're not willing to step out of your comfort zone and risk failing many times then you will be stuck in the position of a wage cuck for the rest of your life.

>>62226768
I have a BS in IT. Lots of my coworkers has a BS, Master's or PhD in CS/CIS/IT.

>>62226771
Not seeing the downsides, also not a "wage cuck" considering you're getting a salary, not a wage.

Straightforward and consistent income coupled with savings and 401k (or what have) contributions makes things pretty easy.

I am, work in C#

>>62226783
Do you really have no issues working for 1/10th of your worth under someone else's vision? I can't stand the thought of wasting my time working towards someone else's goals.

>>62226775

Yeah, I don't call myself an Engineer.
I'd feel slimy and dishonest.
I don't let people call me one either.
I've decided the people who do are just trying to stroke my ego.

>>62226799
If I feel I'm not getting paid what I'm worth I'll look for a job elsewhere instead of playing the lottery with a startup.

>under someone else's vision?
I pretty much set my own goals as far as what I'm supposed to do. Our team is six people and we don't receive any kind of direct instruction.

>>62226834
It's my title so I'm going to say it. There's no point in being weird about it. The terms developer/engineer are interchangeable in the tech industry. It'd be more concerning if you decided to use esoteric terms like "architect" and "devisor" or something stupid.

>>62226836
Well if that makes you happy it's not a problem. I rather take risks then stay in my comfort zone.

Hope this field is still popping. I'm back in college getting my second bachelor's, this time in CS because obviously my linguistics degree doesn't afford lucrative positions.

I also have a felony for possession of marijuana so am I pretty much stuck with start-ups? Totally separate question, what is the best first-job? I'm thinking "anything I can get", but would a start-up be preferable? Another separate question, is data mining / science really as profitable as the statistics say? I'm taking a class in it now and although I never even took precalculus these dudes are on my ass about linear algebra and probablity theory, when all I thought it was going to be is using some python library to look at how often homosexuals on twitter use the word "fleek" or something.

>>62226866
To each his own.

I personally hated living a shitty hourly wage getting paid jack shit to do shit anyone could do. Then while working there having so much difficulty finding a job it makes you wish you were dead. There's no way in hell I want to take any chances going back to that state.

Where I am now is great. I get paid well, work is fun, and I am not given direct instruction. We just set some goals for the team and we work at it.

The worst thing in my life right now is that there's no good places open 24/7 to eat and I'm always up late in the weekends.

>>62226799
haha the ENTROPOONEAR
cringeeeeeeee

>>62226744
iv been part of like 4 different startups now.
if they dont have funding, ITS COMPLETE SHIT.
i would never want to do it again.
never work for equity, EVER.
ever time iv tried it iv wanted to kill myself

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>>62226855

Yeah, everyone's a ninja engineering rock star these days, aren't they... I should probably shoot for something new and with more testosterone... like Data Commando, Full Bird Software Colonel. After all, why stop at misappropriating degrees. We could do the stolen valor thing too. :D

>>62226958
i actually call myself an engineer.... or architect.... or whatever i feel like it on that day even tho my position is just a software developer.

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>>62226958
My title is "Software Engineer". I write JQuery all day. Oh and I also probably make more than you. Mad?

>>62226647
you just need to act normal long enough to get hired and become valuable. Once they realize they can't fire you, you can let the autism flow.

>>62226928
Stay poor faggot

>>62226623
best way to overcome graduating without internships? Don't say side projects please

>>62226771
>rest of my life
I'll have enough to retire on after 10 years.

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>>62226983
>JQuery
I thought it died 3 years ago

>>62226613
computer engineer here. I work on autopilot systems for things. I also don't browse /g/ but I saw this on the front page and decided to post.
cheerio.

>>62226744
>being paid shit wages somehow makes you not a wagecuck

lol

>>62226613
Me desu.

Im a junior dev.

My work consists of:
40% old as fuck Adobe Coldfusion (kill me)
20% Ruby on rails 2.x (this is okay)
20% PHP 5.x (this is okay as well, I don't get the hate for PHP desu)
20% a mix of SQL/Perl and also Javascript to support the above mentioned languages

We have a lot of apps written in various languages. I miss my IDE and statically typed Java/C# though. We have apps in those languages but I haven't been assigned to work on them yet. I don't think juniors get that stuff till they're more experienced.

Overall some of it is shit, some of it is good. But even when I get assigned something difficult as fuck to work with (basically the Coldfusion stuff) I think to myself "this is still 100x better than a fucking call center or any job working with customers" and I code away. Also the fact that there are multiple different things to work on keeps things somewhat fresh.

Oh also I worked 4 months in my life (at a call center, hated it) and got hired age 30. Im still 30. So im pretty lucky to have gotten hired to begin with.

>>62226613
Yeah. What do you need?

>>62227466
side projects please

Get some certification in your freetime

>>62226958
>soldier
>job essential
Politicians (Trump included) made it the most pointless job since WWII.

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>>62226855
>The terms developer/engineer are interchangeable in the tech industry

Not in my parts of the world. An engineer is someone with an engineering degree. People actually call you out on this.

I'm hired as one but my education is in CS so I refer to myself as a developer, not "software engineer".

>>62226958
>Data Commando
Yes.

>>62226855
it's not just the tech industry, job titles are meaningless these days. you can find two people with the same job titles that do completely different things.

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>>62226958
>ninja engineering rock star
>data commando
>full bird software colonel
You described people's titles on LinkedIn.

>>62226983
because you're the last jquery user on earth?

t. c++ dev

>>62227604
It should have

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Yes. I work with PL/SQL and Oracle middleware (mainly OSB and ADF)

I'm a consultant. Work in SaaS, CaaS and IaaS.

It's ok, but some sysadmins are dumb as fuck and can't even put into words the changes they want made.

>>62226613
Yes and I hate dev. Hopefully someday I find a way out.

>>62226613
depends on how you define professional.
yes, I get money for writing code.
and no, I don't consider my code good

3d/webgl engineer here
I'm beginning to really hate Javascript. But we're switching to typescript soon

>>62227466

>join Consulting Group
>get free training and certs
>expenses outta the ass
>work for top tier companies around the country/world

why would you join a company in 2017?

>>62226613
Full stack dev / general IT guy at work here, there's a lot of cash in it (even if some of the thing I made are just hacked together using existing stuff) but I think I'll move on to something else in a few years time, not worth the stress especially when management steps in and the project scope goes from getting to the top of the hill to achieving faster than light travel with a shovel, a bucket and a gardener.

>>62227928
Do you have a degree?

>>62229484
How did you start?

>>62226744
You do realize that ~98% of startups fail without achieving any profitability? I mean, if you just want to be your own boss, it's fine, but if you're going into the startup game thinking you're going to end up rich, you're most likely deluding yourself.

>>62230016
did an apprenticeship as software dev but wasted 7 years at a hotline before jumping in the cold water to get a dev job with near-zero programming expirience. the apprenticeship was a joke.
Everything I know is either self-taught or stems from work of my predecessor

>>62230054
Join someone else's start-up and refuse equity - demand cash. Then move onto next startup when it sinks. Fun cycle imo.

Arts degree grad who manages a team of devs and consultants. I have no idea why I still have this job - but it is in government.

>>62230116
I already did that for a few years and after a while it just makes your resume look like a trail of sinking ships.

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>>62229268
Your life must be miserable as fuck. PL/SQL is biggest shit I've worked with ever.

>>62230157
How short were the jumps? Mine are 2-3 years.

>>62226613
Used to be, now I'm head

>>62226613
Nah, i'm not even planning to be, im here for consumerism

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>>62226613
I am, Python / IOS / Android dev here.

Some server utility shit.

Whats up?

>>62227928
statically typed languages are garbage desu

>>62230237
About the same, except that one case where an absolute shitstorm of drama and greed led to a seemingly ok company imploding within a year.

But it's not about the time, but rather the outcome, especially if you work in a city where the startup scene is not that huge and word gets around quick. Which is why I'm looking to go either full corporate drone or move into consulting. Some stability would be nice for a change.

>>62226613
Who is this cutie pie? don't care if gal or guy.

>>62230462
lots of greed and short sighted cash grabs in startups tbqh senpai.

>>62230316
Do you use Android Studio? That shit was awful when I used it for a few months.

I've been an Android dev for 5 years.

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>>62226613

Sorta, I'm a Networking/Security/Penetration Tester/Developer, it's pretty great and also sense the first three are the main thing it allows me to learn a lot of dev stuff on the job without looking like a total jackass because it's not my primary focus. The scrum lead just slings me some development stories now and again in various languages along with the usual other stuff. Usually it's stuff that isn't part of the gigantic codebase of certain projects to so it's even better; ie: mostly one off, small, from scratch type stuff that other developers working on those huge things shouldn't be doing.

>>62226613
I am a junior developer in a company that makes ERP software using Delphi programming language. Tell me what bothers you my child

>>62231467
That's a pretty good shoop

>>62227928
Yeah open university "Q62 Computing & IT" Too dumb for computer science.

>>62230418
Why? I see it in code sometimes... some arse hole declares variables to set the sizes of popup boxes in strings... but the jquery dialog box requires a number. And nobody noticed this! Would never happen in a statically typed language.

Also they have far better IDE support. People say they are fine with a text editor, yeah theres a point in an applications size and complexity where an IDE with a statically typed language would have been better. Its easier for newcomers (like me) to get to grips with too. I could place a breakpoint and step through the code, inspect variables as I go.

>>62229227
>underrated poast
do you think it will ever die?

>>62226613
Yeah, make 82k with benies writing java.

>>62226702
Cmon man no need to get THAT desperate.

>>62226958

>my life is only worth 30k a year

Jesus, get it together soldiers.

To be fair, though, the armed forces is where people go when they're too dumb to make it in the real world.

>>62232948
Soldiers get a lot of benies and make more than 30k if deployed. 30k is for sitting around a base not at risk of death. Also they don't pay taxes, which is am extra 6 or 7 grand in your pocket. Still shit pay though at the end of the dau

>>62230185
kek wat? That shit is easy as hell.

I'm 25 years old and I want to get some sort of tech job. I went to college for about two years and eventually withdrew because college was really dumb. I was an English major so that probably didn't help. Anyway, I have a local community college that offers a lot of classes and certificates for tech stuff. Do you think it would be worth it to take one of those and possibly use the cc as a way to network and find jobs?

I graduated ten years ago and have been a NEET ever since. I just do hobby programming. How do I change this?

>>62233424
Suicide

>>62233424
Go to college/academia, get involved with some hackerspace (that isn't filled with sjws), do something for a non-profit/cause you believe in (and isn't NWO).

>>62229837
Consultants are still in a company.

>>62226613
I'm a PHP dev now explicitly because of this board

Pretty comfy desu

>>62233482
But I already went to college anon. Where do I find a hackerspace or something? How will getting involved in a non-profit help me to not be a NEET?

>>62233634
non-profits still pay their employees. The term non profit just means that they make enough to cover all the costs, including paying employees, but give away the rest that would be considered "profits".

>>62229126
>frenchfag with an inferiority complex reading logs all day
not even once

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Same anon here >>62233322,
here are some example plans they offer. Are any of them promising in the future?

>>62226613
Professional C dev here.

>>62226613
HFT C++fag reporting

I get paid but I'm not very professional

>>62233741
Imho the C++ and network stuff are the spice. Do you have a masters?

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>>62232948
>tfw drop out Texas A&M to join military
>tfw 4 years of bullshit IT work
>tfw taking intro to comp sci courses in community college
>tfw denied readmission to Texas A&M
>tfw probably gonna kill myself

>>62233924
Uhhh unfortunately not. Will that make me an untouchable?

>>62233959
Go to Texas State. It's better imo

Reporting in. I'm a pajeet though

>>62226981
>Living in a pigshit country where engineer isn't a protected title

How many of you engineers have an engineering degree?

>>62234189
I have a degree in Electrical """ Engineering""" and Computer Science, where I took a grand total of 2 entry level EE classes and subsequently forgot all the material. Does that count?

>>62233978
MMh, not really, but it's highly highly recommended, after that you can always go to the PhD path which hopefully will turn you into a proper scientist and very knowledgeable person.
But for real, do something.

Good luck.

>>62234189
I'm 21 and starting next year with EE (mostly electronics) and I'm planning to attend some CS classes in my little spare time.

>>62234121
I'm actually from Canada. Engineer is a protected title here. Do you think anyone actually cares though? Ffs engineer is in my email signature and I email management all the time. I have a minor in software eng and that showed me how retarded those kids are so I like to fuck with their fancy "title".

At the end of the day what matters is that if they fire me, none of the other developers are smart enough to take over leading our projects.

>>62234288
I really do want to do something. I'm a few credits shy of having an associates degree, so I could probably do one of the paths to get a degree pretty soon. I would like to do programming more than anything but at the same time the web developer meme is looking link a decent alternative. It just seems like web dev is something I could learn by myself but programming would be much more difficult.

>>62226625
>I have never gotten lost in a file system before

>>62229032
As a Korean, you really should get your head out of your progressive ass. There's a world of people out there who'd like to kill me and you just for the pleasure of being worse dictators than Trump, Obama, Bush, or whomever your TV personality told you to bash today.

Soldiers get shit orders and military industrial complex is a fucking problem, but going so far as to trivialize their role in securing your and my comfortable life is utter retardation.

>>62226745
So does fucking visual studio, fag.

>>62229227
Why? It makes shit easy.

>>62234605
like I give a fuck that uve got a bad neighbor

>tfw overpaid Java EE dev
>tfw hard to work with Oracle or IBM crap everywhere
>tfw forced to use Eclipse due to retarded guidelines

sombody save me

>>62226958
>government hitman
>making toys
Tough one...

I'm the sole internal tools developer for my company maintaining a C# dotnet stack. It's pretty comfy as I don't have any real timelines. Lately though I've been doing systems programming in Go which I've been enjoying.

>>62234709
Your southern border is more dangous than our dmz. :^)

Angular and Node.js. We also do agile consulting

>>62230418
Get out.

>>62234725
God bbless Jetbrains form making Java tolerable.

>>62234537
A masters makes little difference. I know two guys older than me with masters who are floating up and down the east coast as consultants. They make OK money. The highest earner around my age I know is some guy who used to work in finance, went back to school to get a bachelor's in CS, worked as a consultant at a java shop, and then got hired full-time at a financial firm in NYC starting at 6-figures. Not sure what he's getting now but I figure it's a lot. I have a BS and I work in mobile development for a large company. Though I occasionally help the back-end developers, the role's not so static. Money's good and benefits are great since it's a large company.

My thoughts are, if you want steady work for the next few years know Java, be familiar with some sort of database (knowing SQL is probably a good idea), and learn front-end technologies (HTML, CSS, JS). Being familiar with springMVC is probably a good idea for server back-end, and Hibernate for ORM for databases. Front-end I can't say but I know two places I was previously at were moving towards AngularJS not too long ago. I've rarely seen anyone asking for C++ or C around my parts, they pop up, just not nearly as much as Java. I'm on the east coast, New England area.

And knowing your fundamentals (principles of the paradigm of your language, like OOP for java; algorithms, data structures, etc) is obviously important. Even if you have like 2 years of experience you'll get the kind of questions that look like they belong on a university exam or something, from some places at least.

>>62234725
>used to think eclipse was better than IntelliJ
>actually be forced to work with both
>become bitter and angry at the fact I never used IntelliJ until I was forced to
Don't know what I ever saw in eclipse

>>62235168
Thank you for taking the time to write all of that, I really do appreciate it. Currently I'm in the central Texas area(Austin) and I imagine there area a lot of opportunities here. Right now I just need to learn and become qualified to do those jobs. Was it hard getting a job out of college? I'm worried that since I'm older and have nothing to really show for my years I won't be looked at like a younger grad. What are some things you did to impress your employer enough for them to hire you?

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>>62226958
This is b8 as fuck and obvious made by some liberal trying to make soldiers look bad and trigger you nerds.ez b8

>>62226873
>how often homosexuals on twitter use the word "fleek"
I assume probability theory can be very useful for this task

>>62233959
Go to Germany: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678
Just watch out for all the migrant rapists.

>>62227466
Definitely side projects.

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>>62226981
>i actually call myself an engineer.
you can call yourself whatever you want, does not make you an engineer. Unless you're an electrical, chemical, mechanical, aerospace, or civil engineer, you're not an engineer.

>audio "engineer"
>software "engineer"
>sanitation "engineer"
pic related, it's you

>>62235354
Getting a job out of college wasn't hard, but I only found a consulting job. Fortunately it was in my area, you just need to be clear about that to anyone who comes looking. Recruiters can help, just try not to get swindled too much because you'll probably end up taking an offer for lower than you see on full-time listings

Impress-wise, I personally don't have anything like that. I just did well on the technical side of interviews. But if it comes up talking about your interests can help if they relate to CS or programming. Showing enthusiasm and a willingness to learn something new also helps, that is, try to act as flexible and open to new stuff as possible. You probably won't be considered really experienced until you have like 5 years in a specific technology. That said, if you end up at a smaller place, show interest in the company's growth and your ability to stay there. My first job was as a consultant with a firm that did consulting on the side (it was mainly b2b or w/e) and I got a job with a very light technical interview because one of the execs liked the cut of my jib, and all I did was express interest in the company's growth and potential. I found out later everyone else got tougher interviews. As for why I didn't stay, they weren't able to renew the contract with the company they deployed us to and couldn't find a place for those of us who weren't willing to move like 500 miles.

If you do end up consulting first try to make sure you're with a small team of consultants. I made some good contacts with them and my lead and I still stay in touch with some of them, which is nice. My experience going in alone, even as a full-time employee, is that it's hard to break into existing social circles, but starting with a team can make you tight knit.

i've been developing professionally for 3 years. i work for a fortune 50 company as fullstack. mostly doing java and javascript.

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>>62226613
I code in MATLAB and C++ at my Uni's medical research center. I know it doesn't count.

>>62226613
Technically, but it's not on anything impressive, just home loan software.

Nobody on 4chan has a job.

Its all autistic neets on welfare of their parents money.

Why do you think they buy chigger phones?

>>62235858
RND for a uni is just as much of a job as anything else (except the pay is worse).

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Resources for learning programing with no degree?

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>>62235895

Testt

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>>62226613
Mainframe programmer here. AMA if you want.

>/g/
>jobs

>>62236083
>le "I am a loser, so everyone on [board I am posting on] is a loser too" meme
kill yourself loser

>>62236063
who the hell still uses mainframes? what exactly do you program for them?

>>62236063
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

Anybody here up for some adventures? Anything with bitcoin or ethereum that might generate income. I'm 'full stack' bored but run some successful startups alone. If so post contact

>>62236063
do you have to deal with any legacy cobol? Code that is as old as you?

>>62236063
What is it that you do? In laymen terms? Is it fun? Is it cool?

>>62236094
>what are legacy systems

> 2012
> get first programming job, web dev
> it sucks, but imagine that in time I'll be just like joel spolsky, aaron swartz (before he kill himself), john carmack, etc
> write some awesome libraries, become part of the community,

> 2017
> 130k/year, awesome benefits, 4 weeks vacay/year, etc.
> SRE at something like top 10 software company
> havent published any library
> that one project on github netted me ~20 stars one time
> never made HN frontpage
> decent programming skills (went from fs web dev to devops to SRE), but no creative ideas about WHAT to make
> will never write my name down in books about computer history
> will never make something that helps other developers
> will never contribute to a multi-year project a become friends with dozens or hundreds of other contributors
> will never hack the gibson

I'm feeling depressed. I don't know what to do. Should I go into cyber security? Or hardware hacking? Everyone's doing cool shit while I'm spending evenings and weekends learning things and making toy shit.

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>>62236283
I'm learning to write C# with my dad so I can work for his small contracting company, and he plans on paying me 20$ an hour to learn with him, thing is I don't want to be a total noob. Cool thing is visual studio comes with a tutorial on how to write a hello world code on the computer. I almost have my A+ Cert too.

I wanna be able to keep up with what we're doing and not be a worthless drag.

>>62236283
Have you tried killing yourself?

>>62236283
Like many non-actual programmers you're suffering from a crisis of worth. You see yourself as less valuable to society at large and less skilled because you don't have the emotional validation of being told your job is fucking cool like the real developers get told. I see this a lot with front-end guys too, which is why I think the latest javascript back-end/do-everything frameworks were explicitly created to exploit their insecurities, to grow the supply of developers for back-end and reduce costs over time at the expense of some performance.

Get a hobby and learn to relax. Or make a game or something. Something stupid, but with a big, flashy goal that satisfies you emotionally.

>>62236488
1.8 miles a day walked / 2.896819 Kilomitors

1756.6 BMR

Current caloric output: 1939.6 calories

Current caloric input should be: 930 cals

diet for a day: 1 cup of rice = 600 cal
3 hot dogs = 330 cal

110 calories per hotdog
600 calories per cup of rice


I'm also using vitamins

http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/miles-to-kilometers.htm
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/#result
http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/average-calculator/

2 hotdogs eaten

https://donate.prageru.com/checkout/donation?eid=104660

750.6 calorie deficit

1 pound lost every 4 days

Target weight = 122 pounds
current weight = 168.6

I wanna turn this into an app that automatically tells me what food I should eat for a diet based on FDA block information. Wat do.

>>62236523
BMR + Calories exspended - Caloric input = Caloric deficiet/caloric surplus.

>>62236562
Is anyone else working on something like this? I want to use it to lose weight.

>>62236283
Welcome to the industry.

>>62236577
there's countless health apps that can do this. but keep in mind calories are far from accurate for many reasons. it's also very hard to tell how many you burn in a typical day. nothing scientific about these things.

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>>62236094
My company does. We build programs (thousands of them) for banking and financial institutions all across my country (Canada). We own the IP (intellectual property) for it, so tons of work comes our way for over 30 years now. Really stable job, it's comfy.

>>62236097
Because believe it or not, it has a solid future and isn't being replaced since it would cost a fortune to rebuild all the programs in place, retest it all, and convert it. It will take decades to do and a fuck ton of money that a lot of companies aren't wiling to spend since the mainframe still works really well. Also it's a relaxing job that normies avoid like the plague, I work with a lot of old people and in my downtime I just read manga PDF's and browse the web.

>>62236128
Not so much legacy, but definitely some old ass programs. Many from the 80s, some as far back as the 60s. We even have some "new" programs. The hard part to deal with is tons of them are 5000+ lines, and the coding standards we run change a lot over the years. In other words, you really need to learn to decipher through some really shitty code at times, but the language is easy as fuck to learn.

>>62236129
I mainly develop programs that creates reports, almost entirely, but also many programs that automate financial records and data on a large scale. This is also called batch processing, which is 90% of the programs we build. The other 10% are programs that are running in the back-end for online banking and shit, which a front-end of course is what is tied to it (Java mainly).

>>62226613
Yes. Hadoop Architect. Machine learning, predictive analytics, unstructured data, Go, Python, Scala, Java, C, Clojure...

>>62236619
You think they're ever gunna upgrade their stuff? Seems like something to hack or mess with.

I'm a junior php backend dev, in the NL. I make 1450 per month, after taxes.

The neet life was better than this. at least i didn't have to deal with extremely arrogant and toxic autists who are my coworkers.

>>62236674
Not him, but backend financial software barely ever gets a full rewrite. Most of it doesn't need to change much, management doesn't care if the code is shit, and if the rewrite fucks up, the outcome can be catastrophic.

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>>62226613
My god. Where do girls like this dwell?

>>62236764
That's someone from HR sitting awkwardly at a fat autist's desk.

>>62229126
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>>62226958
Niggs forget about people like da Vinci. Considered by many to be the greatest engineer of all time, for his designs on multiple shit that we now have.

Did he go to college to gain the title "engineer"? Fuck no, he taught himself shit.

>>62236709
>1450
How do you even live?

>>62236794
kek

>>62236709
With my parents.

>>62226613
I work on the android ndk along with some other stuff thrown in. Top app on the play store for its functionality.

>>62236101
Stox.com looks pretty interesting, plus Floyd Mayweather was shilling it. Basically betsofbitcoin type site but using their own coin

ethereum I've been avoiding because those contracts are highly exploitable, if you do end up writing one, go through some of the notes here so you end up programming via contracts, meaning carefully checking loops so they do what you think they do and have no side effects
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rjsimmon/15122-s16/schedule.html

After that try to make some gambling ether contracts, shill it on bitcointalk. Making a trading bot for ethereum is also pretty fun though again, those shitty, shitty designed and implemented contracts filled with bugs tho.

>>62236674
We use a Unisys Mainframe, so you could read into it if you're curious more about the hardware. Surprisingly our mainframe is quite recent and modern, hardware wise. It gets upgraded occasionally.

As for hacking/security goes, the mainframe itself has pretty much never been hacked into, but people have found loopholes with the bank cards and when doing transactions, due to some error handling that wasn't in place in certain programs. One of the worst examples was someone hadn't placed code in to force a certain % interest rate on a bank loan after a certain time, so someone basically got a 10K loan interest free and the financial institution couldn't do anything about it since the program didn't enforce a % rate to apply to the loan. That got changed very quickly of course, but they got off 2 of the 5 year loan with zero interest paid.

So yea, shit like that has happened.

>>62236863
By not buying a bunch of shit I don't need

>cook own food instead of eating out
>don't spend money on a new iPhone every 6 months
>etc.

You should try it some time

>>62237005
>>cook own food instead of eating out

Everyone seems to wildly underestimate just how much money this saves.

>>62236488
Technically, I do get to do "cool" stuff, work with 10k+ servers and figure out nice little distributed systems. ButI can't show any of it to the outside world, everything has to stay in-house.

I'm trying to get into hobbies, but it doesn't give me the feeling that programming does. Might go back to gaming, at least it has a social aspect to it.

>>62226873
Try the Deep Learning book by Ian Goodfellow, there's pdfs online. The first third of the book covers the necessary math shit pretty well.

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>>62234678
>lemme just use take 4mb of ram for something that could have been done in 5 lines of vanilla JS

Please off yourself