What excuse do you have for not using Vim?

Because notepad++ exists

because Nano works.

Mousepad is perfect

>>62223040
because emacs

>>62223040
Neovim

emacs makes me feel more like a hacker.

>>62223040
I use vim you cuck.

>>62223040
because any gui text editor is better.

>>62223040
Only brainlets use things other than vim / emacs.

Because I am employed

Because i spent the last 15 years using my mouse to do everything and i am too dumb to learn all those shortcuts.

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>>62223058
Bloated resource hog. No smart completion. No ctags. Not modal.

>>62223062
>Want to exit and save
>Nano: CTRL+X ... Y
>Vim: :wq
Nano is cool if you are mentally retarded and can only work at a snail's pace

>>62223080
Worse than Notepad++ and Nano

>>62223085
>>62223115
Stallman fags detected, but emacs is pretty good.

>>62223103
Probably using Winblows LMAO

>>62223141
Good for you.

>>62223201
This. See >>62223243

>>62223217
To some hipster node.js startup? Probably use Sublime Text LMFAO.

>>62223152
>inb4 muh loading speed
Doesn't matter if the editor's already running. Also, you can do stuff faster with a GUI editor, making Vim the slower editor.

>inb4 i want to use the cli
A GUI could run exactly as a CLI. It just gives you more options. Stop trying to look like a hacker; you're not impressing anyone.

>inb4 vim has features other editors don't
No, it doesn't. You've just been accustomed to the Vim way of doing things. Fortunately, unlike retarded editors like Vim and Emacs, it's not hard to learn how to use a GUI editor's advanced features.

>>62223288
t. salty brainlet PHP "developer" that uses Dreamweaver

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>>62223040
Started learning it 24 hours ago and i'm already considering changing my DE to i3 gaps with a terminal file manager which lets me use a Vim buffer
It's so fucking comfy

>>62223267
to save as in nano its ctrl-o and then ctrl x to quit.

>>62223040
None, I use it.
One day I'll run vim-tutor and learn more about it.
Until then my memories of editing REXX on an s390 connected terminal are enough.

>>62223040
Emacs + evil.
Org-mode is love, Org-mode is life.

>>62223288

>It just gives you more options.

All of the error prone bloated GUI shit.

>GUI editor's advanced features.

GUI is a code word for computer programs made for retards. There is no such a thing as a GUI editor's "advanced feature".

I don't really need it since I can properly program and re-use code and also use a framework which does all the heavy lifting for me. I actually make money too, so have fun spending a decade trying to impress other losers on IRC. vim and emacs after 2005 is basically like that asshole that keeps re-taking 100 level college courses just to show the "normies" the "right" way to do it and never graduates

>>62223040
its confusing as fuck. nano is intuitive. if you have some sort of problem with nano, please suggest an intuitive alternative. vim is not intuitive, so that wont work

>>62223358
I recommend. i3 gaps is comfy af.

>>62223364
Even worse

>>62223422
>>62223423
Fuck off, brainlets.

>>62223040
Neovim is better. (Sorry Bram)

>>62223267
>wq
what if i want to type wq? the fuk?

>>62223040
Visual studio code just werks

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>>62223267
>Probably using Winblows LMAO
You're wrong!

>>62223040
I'm not good at deleting text and it sucks at everything else.

>>62223443
If you type wq, then the characters wq are entered into your document. Do you even modal editing bro?

>>62223435
>brainlet

sorry but the text editor on my Apple //e is more intuitive than vim. seriously, why, WHY, should a text editor be so convoluted

>>62223443
You go into insert mode with i and type wq.

>>62223464
You are a brainlet. That's why you think vim is convulted.

>>62223040
Because if I really wanted, I could create a vim-like environment inside my Emacs.

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Because I have a superior solution

I use vim, but it isn't the editor itself that brought me to it. It was the modal editing. It's just that no editor seems to do it as well, the closest thing is emacs with evil.

>>62223476
>You go into insert mode with i
seriously, wut

>>62223435
>>62223464
>>62223476
This is essentially the same as using latex not because you need its features but just because you want to be "above" the wysiwyg "normies". Being a brainlet is great when you're making enough money to retire at 35.

>>62223567

vimtutor

>>62223444
It's also botnet

>>62223616
Is there an extension for that?

>>62223575
>start vimtutor
>wtf now i remember why i hate vim
>ctrl-c
>hurr must type ":quit" to quit
>type :quit
>E37: No write since last change (add ! to override)

barely could even get out of this fucking program

>>62223628
>Ctrl+Z
>pkill -9 vim

Do you even terminal?

because i unironically use vs code

>>62223628
>Open notepad
>Type something
>Want to exit
>UNSAVED CHANGES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAVE CHANGES BEFORE EXITING?!
wtf I can hardly get out of the program

>>62223642
neat, thanks

None, hence why I'm using it.

>>62223358
Good luck! I recommend ranger for file managment, qutebrowser for web (or VimFX if you're not ready to leave the Firefox botnet yet), and also tmux for terminal multiplexing.

>>62223676
the difference? one is intuitive; the other is not

>>62223358
>>62223695
Seconding ranger. There's even a plug in to display images in the terminal provided your terminal supports it.

>>62223705
They're both equally intuitive if you're not stupid. Both are intended to make sure you want to quit without saving changes, they make perfect sense in their respective workflow

I've been using vim for a lot of my programming for nearly a year now and while I'm familiar with navigation and some basic shortcuts, I haven't really learned how to be a real poweruser and spend way to much of my time in insert mode.

Does anyone have a favorite resource for intermediate vim usage?

>>62223729
You clearly have no idea what the word "intuitive" means

>>62223787
Use :help, it really is the best resource.

I found out that emacs has evil mode

>>62223794
I've had no issues saving documents or exiting without saving documents in either editor, so clearly it's intuitive enough for someone dumb like me

Because i more than 8 mb memory which allows me to use superior GUI text editors.
Vim is for neckbeards who think they are intelligent because they sendt several years to write code 1.1 times faster than than the norm.

I like visual studio 2017

>>62223812
your missing the point. typing a secret command and then another to exit a program isn't normal.

INTUITIVE SOFTWARE does not get 1.1 million hits on how to close it:https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11828270/how-to-exit-the-vim-editor

>>62223843
/discussion

>>62223812
I guess I have to repeat myself;

You do not know the meaning of the word "intuitive"

>>62223868
>>62223843
I guess. Or I just don't care since it works for me.

>>62223868
I prefer efficiency over intuition.

>>62223843
It's not some secret magical incantation. It's even documented in it's help system if you bothered to look:

vim +'help :quit'

>>62223787
Just keep using it and correct yourself when you avoid using shortcuts. Good tip >>62223797

>>62223794
Why are you still here, brainlet? This is a convo for real developers. Not hipsters working at Pajeet's node startup.

>>62223828
We write code 4x-5x faster than brainlets like you.

>>62223435
>i3 gaps
why the fuck gaps, do you enjoy wasted space?

>>62223885
ok so you dont know the meaning of the word "intuitive" then. So you admit you were wrong to claim that vim is intuitive?

>>62223843
1.1 million faggots that cant read documentation

>>62223040
Because emacs exist

>>62223695
>terminal multiplexing
why do you need a multiplexer if you're using a tiling wm?

>>62223888
nano works for me

>>62223940
good programs self document. I was able to use Nano on my first try because it actually tells you what short cuts do what right off the bat. imagine that.

>>62223934
It's efficient and I misspoke? I know what intuitive means, but I got the definitions mixed

>>62223913
How to retort:
Just call them brainlets and don't actually come with any new points

>>62223965
What do you think

vimtutor

is for?

Because Jetbrains is the standard in my industry.

>>62223989
wheres the help program to figure out how to use vimtutor?

>>62224024
http://manpages<DOT>ubuntu<DOT>com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/vimtutor.1.html

>>62223983
>hates vim because "it's confusing as fuck," and he has to read documentation to use it
>not a brainlet

>>62223616
I don’t give a single fuck whether it’s a botnet or not.

>>62224057
>having to read pages upon pages of documentation to use a fucking text editor

>>62224073
The documentation is optional. You could bash your head repeatedly on the keyboard instead if you'd like. Note this might cause brain damage although I'm not sure if you have a brain to damage.

>>62224010
How dare you use a tool that makes your job easier brainlet!

>>62224040
typing

man vim

and

vimtutor

is too hard for him. His ADHD and short attention span prevent him from learning anything. This is a common occurence among Javascript and Node devs, unfortunately.

>>62224116
such intuition and elegance. I either have to read a shitload of documentation or do hours of trial and error to write a document and save it.
Vim was good back in 2001 when computers didn't have a lot of memory and power. Now we have 4-8-16 gigs of memory and using an intuitive GUI that has packages and active community like fx Atom exist. How can Vim even compete. If i want the Vim shortcuts i can probably just download some shortcut package .

>>62224152
>be me
>using nano
>does everything I want
>zero problems with it
>some autist accuses me of having adhd for not using the same text editor as him
rude

>>62224161
>How can Vim even compete
It can't but people use Vim not because it's functional and comfortable but because using keyboard only gives you some kind of satisfaction. Also, new issues to solve! Like how da fuck I make keys work if my keyboard layout isn't English? Or what's the most pain free way to copy a text from a clipboard to my editor and vice-versa?
That being said, I do like to use vi more than nano for editing configs, etc.

>>62224281
Vim by itself can't compete but the community around it can. Vim just like atom has it's own community and there's tonnes of great plugins out there that can turn Vim from a basic text editor into a fully fledged IDE.

>>62223040
Because I use Vis

>>62223040
I use it, for simple things. I don't use it for writing programs. Kate is the best lightweight and free text/code editor on the planet.

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>>62223358
stop before it's too late

I use Sublime Text because it's productive without the autism requirement.

>>62223695
go back and finish your phd paper Luke

>>62226093
Why Luke?

>>62223914
you can set a shortcut to resize/remove the gaps when you need so why not?

>>62224073
is that so hard typing vimtutor and spend 10 minutes learning how to use it?

>>62226093
kek

>>62223455
good for you

set wildmenu

why didn't you faggots tell me about this

>>62223040
cause Notepad++ is better

>>62223058
>>62228064

Notepad++ and Vim are for completely differnt purposes..

If I want to edit a hug XML file, Notepad++ is gold.
For quick typing and coding, Vim is king.

>>62225872
This is the only correct answer in this thread.

>comfy
>not bloated hipster shit like atom
>doesn't require autism

Name 1 other editor that does all 3

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I like consistency, so vi's ubiquitousness appeals to me, but I don't like how the commands are only used by the editor and not standardized so you'll be using different actions for the same things across different programs.

>>62223409
Vim is using a GUI.
You are arguing over which toolkit to use.
If you want a non gui editor, use ed.

>>62223058
This + I use Windows, it's 2017, and I'm not a sysadmin. Idc if notepad++ is "bloated", maybe it'll take .5 seconds more to start up.

>>62228443

See:
>>62228354

Vim is a text processor which defines a "text editing language".

Notepad++ is a simple WYSIWYG editor.

Apples and oranges.

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>>62223040
Because superior alternatives exist.

>>62223695
i never bothered with tmux, using i3 with rxvt. is there a reason or productivity increase with tmux or just a personal preference?

>>62223040
visual studio has better support for debugging (in general) / remote debugging / remote deployment. most of my code is in c# now adays...

when im deving on nix, i do C# core in vim over ssh... or whatever other language im using.

vim is great. but its annoying to get set up to the point its good on new boxes (im looking at you YCM)

>>62224152
Why not, instead of talking about starving niggers, just put a line of text saying to enter vimtutor at the command line to start the tutorial?

Emacs does that, so it's not unprecedented.

in windows, how do you prevent vim from creating ~un files

I dislike ancient software

>>62223040
there is no real good auto-complete and no real good file browser for it.

I just use sublime, but would probably go for EMACS before VIM desu senpai

>>62230557
you complete me, built in completion
NERDTree, ranger in :terminal

>>62228640
If you are already using i3, not much. The main advantage of tmux is that it's universal: it works great and it works the same on any DE as long as you have a decent terminal emulator. Hell, it works well even using ttty. You can't say the same about tiling WMs. Not shitting on them, I too use i3 and like it. This compatibility is fantastic if you need to remotely access a server that doesn't have your favorite WM installed.

>>62223040
because cat | sed or xxd just works.

>>62228441
>vim is using a gui
Congratulations for proving your autism.

>>62230630
Found the retard who's never heard of a line editor.

>>62230587
is only using cat & sed actually more pr0 than vim?

>>62230673
>implying i said anything about line editors
However, if I'm not mistaken, you clearly said that Vim uses a GUI. Try that again, kid.

>>62230681
no,I was trolling like everyone else.

>>62230753
It does.

>>62230996
TUI != GUI

>>62231017
Vim is available as a desktop application (Gvim) is that a GUI?

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>>62228601
>IDE

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>>62231270
>His project is <10kloc

>>62231197
Gvim != Vim

biscuse me nano loves me

>>62223040
Because Visual Studio Code exists.

>>62223040
i think that's because i'm a huge faggot

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>>62223040
because I use the best editor
feels good to be real hacker

>>62223040
I'm not a gay.

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>>62231737

>>62228601
>codeblocks
>superior to anything but notepad

>>62223040
Emacs exists

>>62231700
At least your honest.

>>62231737
There's no way that compiles.

>>62223040
Because I'm not a sperglord.
And honestly, if I wanted a fast editor that can open large files, a handful of even proprietary editors can do that better than VIM with its retarded gap buffer.

>>62223040
But I use Vim

>>62223040
>What excuse do you have for not using Vim?
I went from Gedit to Nano to Sublime to Atom (for like 3 months) to Vim and finally Emacs.

Here's my reasons
>Vimscript is fucking ass for writing extensions
>Emacs company-mode is better at autocomplete than any of the shit options for Vim
>Can have multiple processes running async in Emacs rather than using tmux and vim, which I find tedious
>Richer set of well-written packages that solve actual problems; Vim doesn't have this problem as much as Sublime and Atom, but there are quite a few shit packages in vim which blow.
>Emacs seems to have been by-passed by hipster wanna-bes in favor of Vim, ruining the community somewhat. Although that said...Spacemacs is hipster "coder" central and ass cancer
>Really like org-mode; this alone is worth using Emacs

Though I will say that Vim key-bindings are nice but there's evil-mode for Emacs, so not even that is interesting. Vim is OK and worth learning the basic commands. However, Emacs wins for extensibility and function...and org-mode.

>>62231326
he can't open a 60k line file in less than a second.
>stay mad pleb

>>62233215
>his fizzbuzz is 60kloc

>>62233273
No the original one were 5 lines. But after solid 10 years of different programmers, managers, clients it became a 60k monstrosity. I don't expect unemployed people to understand this. ;^)

>>62223040
Not text editing at the moment.

>>62232053
>>62232053
>>>62223040 (OP)
>Because I'm not a sperglord.
>a handful of even proprietary editors can do that better than VIM
which ones?

>>62232526
why have you decided to change Atom for Emacs?

>>62223946
sometimes tmux can be more convenient bc i can adjust the borders more specifically and create complex configurations more easily. also sometimes i'm doing actual work and not just memeing out so i don't want the crazy gaps i usually have.

I'm not a programmer, how would learning Vim benefit me? Genuinely curious. At most I can see myself using it at uni to take notes faster.

I use Emacs with Evil mode.

Still use Vim for quick edits.

I have vim set up for quick edits, when I set up tags and completion plugins it turns to a laggy mess and I'd much rather just use IntelliJ, Qt Creator or Visual Studio for big projects.

I use kakoune, the thinking man's terminal based text editor.

>>62237422
This. Vi(m) is perfect for light work, but if you try to make it compete with a solid IDE, it turns into a down-hill rolling pile of hot garbage.

I don't list off IDEs since they don't pay me to shill, but if you work in a particular industry you know what the best tools are.

>>62226218
>he doesn't know Luke

>>62228640
>>62223946
I like having my entire programming environment in one window. I typically have a large vim split on top and a smaller commandline below for compiling/testing/checking man/etc.
I also use i3, and I always put a terminal with tmux up in the scratchpad. Whenever I need to run a maintenance script, ranger, irssi, alsamixer, a calculator, I can run them all from there, and I can put them in different tmux splits/tabs if I need several of them running at once.
Also, like >>62230581 said, if it's available on a remote server, you can ssh in once and have several splits running.

>>62229413
Does this not work: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/821902/disabling-swap-files-creation-in-vim ?

>>62230557
Built in completion has always been good enough for me. NERDTree is a good enough file browser once you define a sensible keybinding for launching it. There's also CtrlP for fuzzy searching.

>>62232173
Great, here's your (You).

>>62233497
>he doesn't write posts for his favorite Taiwanese juggling forum in an external text editor