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>>62197037
>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
The G4560 literally costs 150 bucks on Newegg, and 85 on Amazon. Replace it with the AM4 Bristol Ridge CPUs, it has better iGPU performance, better upgrade path, is overclockable and is a quad core for cheaper.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113453

>buy $300 CPU
>the actual CPU sits in a tiny compartment behind a plastic window on the edge of the packaging
>dropping the box could easily damage the cpu if it were to fall on that window

Why

xth for indecision and crippling fear of buyer's remorse

>>62197037
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YCLg6X
budget is 1200-1600 usd
monitor is 2560x1080, 75hz
big arma player, along with pubg, doom, gta 5, etc
lower price would be nice but i dont want to sacrifice much performance.

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>>62197200

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>>62197113
>Excavator

>>62197367
>poverty
sounds about right, and you can upgrade later

>>62197338
you could swap the cpu cooler for an arctic freezer 240, similar performance and about 70 bucks cheaper

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>tfw my brother asked to improve his son's PC
Reee it's perfect for 2013 there's nothing to improve

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>>62197464
>Toshiba HDD
>Plextor SSD

>>62197464
It even has an SSD, damn.
What's the GPU?

>>62197464
Put a 1050Ti in there, charge him $250, and call it a day

>>62197464
1060 6gb is pretty much all you can do without completely new rig. Can't even overclock it because no Intel's premium K marking. Also consider getting him a monitor because TVs are fucking garbage.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YMvthq
>poverty build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6rvthq
>programming build

>>62197551
>air cooler and AIO for the CPU
how do you plan on using that?

I just got my NZXT S340 case, and I'm fucking around with it because I don't have the parts yet.
It comes with two 120mm fans as exhaust (one on top, one in the back), and it has two empty slots in the front. Since the front is filtered, it seems stupid to have a negative pressure setup.
Should I move the top exhaust fan to the front? And if so, top or bottom mount? The top one would be closer to the CPU and the bottom one closer to the GPU.

>>62197635
Bottom
Keep that air moving

>>62197653
yeah you're right, that sounds better than just creating a column of air at the top.

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>>62197113
This desu

Rate my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wyWvM8

>>62197601
kraken bracket and aio is for gpu, extra pink fan is to use that and fan removed for rad fit as push pull on Cpu cooler.

>>62197726
good except that case is shit

>>62197762
Would an s340 be better?

>>62197726
Was about to hand out a >(You) for the Corsair PSU, but it's got a 5-egg rating on Newegg, so go ahead

>>62197784
yes, or if you want silenced still look at something from fractal, define c is very similar

>>62197489
What's wrong?
>>62197512
it's my TV i have no free monitors at this time

>>62197834
Toshiba hard drives a shit, brah

>>62197839
it's cheap
>20$ for 1TB
And what's with Plextor?

>>62197738
>all that for a 1070
what a weird way to spend your money.

>>62197726
9/10 good build

what are you using for storage?

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Rate please. This is for streaming and gaming, I already have a 1080ti and a case but should I just get another case? Also what are some good 4K monitors?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cMzwBP

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I'm currently still have a R9 270x, it's slowly showing it's age obviously

To what card should I upgrade for below 300€? Since the prices are high you aren't getting anywhere near an RX 480 or 580, the best I could find was a 1060 for 300€. Would this still be worth it?

>>62197954
>i'm gonna get the most expensive cpu available and stick the cheapest air cooler on it!

>>62197956
i can buy a 1060 6GB for 226€ right now. look around.

>>62197954
I forgot to take out the things I already have, just minus the 1080

>>62197963
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xJkrkT
Better?

>>62197954
>1800x
Toss it, get 1700 and overclock.
>212 EVO
NH-D15, Dark Rock Pro 3 or AIO but I wouldn't recommend them. Too expensive for what it does and has more points for failure (they're really rare)
>32gb
I don't think there has been a single kit that has reached 3200mhz with 2x16gb kit so going with 2x8 is more favorable until the memory support gets better.

>>62197839
>source: my ass

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>>62197963
>>62198028
Updated

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ygzLZ8

>>62198062
>2400MHz memory
no no no
Since you have the money to throw around, get a kit of Gskill Flare X, it's the memory that works the best with Ryzen (Samsung B-die).

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So I took my computer apart completely to clean it, that includes the CPU. And when I put everything back together the computer isn't turning on.
Fans spin for about a half a second, then stop. I have unplugged everything except the CPU and one stick of ram, there are no beepings from the motherboard speaker.
I'm at a loss, either I have a faulty PSU, a dead CPU, or a dead Motherboard.

There's no way for me to test either of these components, should I just take my computer to the local electronics repair service to see if they can narrow it down?

>>62198151
>taking out the cpu to clean the computer
why would you do that

>>62198137
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ygzLZ8
Finished?

>>62198218
Thermal paste came preinstalled, I had never seen it but paste was spilling out the sides and touching the motherboard and all around the CPU, so I wanted to clean that up.
I cleaned it up with alcohol and cotton swabs.

>>62198267
>>62198137
Wrong list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2bHHN

>>62198273
Fair enough then.

>>62198281
That looks absolutely fine to me. Maybe other anons can see something that could be improved.

>>62198281
Lose the cooler and get a nvme m.2 instead of sata.

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>>62198497
>Lose the cooler

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>>62198497
>Vega 56s are already $100 above MSRP
FUCKING CRYPTONIGGERS REEEEEE

>>62198534
>buy for msrp
>mine for a month
>effectively msrp
if you cant beat em join em

>>62198534
whoops didn't mean to reply

>>62198497
not him but maybe he just wants ssd for storage, doesnt need the extra throughput of a nvme for productivity and .001 seconds faster load for the extra dosh, and just doesnt want to deal with cables

>>62198524
The 1700 comes with a good cooler you nigger.
>>62198564
Then he should get a 500 gb 960 evo. If he can buy a 1080 Ti he can buy a nice ssd.

>>62197037
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4fDs2R
>budget: 1500 AUD
>use: VM's, arma 3, PUBG, space engineers
>monitor: some dell 1920x1200 60hz thing that ill change some time later this year
>goal: for the build to be fairly quiet

>>62198564
>buy non modular PSU
i've made a massive mistake

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phoneposting cause I have no other pc atm

can't access win 10 when I try to boot?

>>62198804
the 1600 comes with its own fairly good stock cooler
>2400mhz ram
upgrade that shit to 3200
that 1060 is massively overpriced holy shit
you need an SSD too

>>62198832
gonna need to know more than that. which drive is windows on? what did you use to make it?

>>62198804
Don't get a CX series PSU, they're not good. Get this https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/pTWrxr/silverstone-power-supply-st60fpb
Try to get faster ram (3200 is ideal, but at least 2800), Ryzen scales really well with ram speed.
Maybe consider an SSD, you can find the budget for it by using a Cryorig H7 instead of the Noctua for example. Even a small 120GB for the OS and a few programs will make your life easier.

>>62198886
>using a Cryorig H7 instead of the Noctua for example
or as >>62198846 said just keep the stock cooler indeed, but if you're going for a big OC it would be nice to have a good aftermarket one.

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>>62198861
optical, it's a disc

>>62198902
I don't think it sees the optical drive at all, maybe make sure its connected to the right pins or connected all the way

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>>62198954
you were right, forgot to plug a cable to it, thanks fampai

Just wanted to say you guys are extremely talented and you should be very proud of your skill. I tried to build a PC once thinking it would be easy? I literally snapped the computer "chip" in half trying to put it in

>>62199152
but it is easy? i've seen 8 years old building PCs by themselves with no help. you might be retarded anon

I'm gonna buy a new monitor soon. What are the things to look at when buying one ?

>>62199174
monitors

>>62199152
>you guys are extremely talented
no. Really, no, we are not. You're just stupid

>>62199204
the one that says UEFI: hp CDDVDW TS-H653T

Im looking to get a noctua d15 but my motherboard only has one pwm (4-pin) plug. If i use a splitter cable will i run into any issues with powering the fans on it?

Also I wanted to have my fans run decently consistent so i was looking at getting a fan controller of sorts. They say they plug into the usb header though, does that mean i wouldnt be able to use my front io ports?

>>62199170
>>62199188
No I'm serious. I honestly can't comprehend how it works and you guys just snip snap it all together like Lego. That is seriously impressive

>>62199204
>>62199241
well? did it work?

>>62199514
it sounds way harder than it is, for example the CPU installation was a breeze when everything seems to suggest that it'd be the hardest part

Anybody know of any monitors cheaper than $250 that aren't total shit?
currently got this on my build (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xVcMnQ/dell-monitor-p2416d),
but I'm looking for something just as good but cheaper

>>62199557
The reason it's so expensive is it has a higher than typical resolution. You can find many for cheaper if you search for 1080p

>>62198804
>>62198846
>>62198886
alright, I added in your suggestions, I think i'll get a SSD later on in the year though.
> https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/CczLZ8

>>62199514
you don't really have to know how it works to be honest. it helps in case anything goes wrong, but most people could just do it themselves with a few pages of instructions and taking their time.
The thing is, you can't really fuck anything up. Everything has to go into place without force, so if something doesn't, you know it's not in the right place.

>>62199594
Looking good. Honestly, if you get something later in the year, make it the CPU cooler. Reinstalling Windows and all your programs on an SSD can be a pain. Changing coolers is a matter of 20 minutes at most. And the stock one is good enough if you don't go into massive overclocks.

>>62197037
You know, I almost want to get a toy computer like that to turn it into a man-puter.

I'd give it a repaint and hook it up to a raspberry pi. The only thing it would do would be play porn. Buttons would be for different websites, navigation, and video playing

>>62199784
Sounds great anon. If you end up doing it, share your progress here.

>>62197037
anyone have recomendations for a monitor for image and video editing for around 200-300 bucks? looking for color accuracy above everything, doesnt need to be 4k or even 1440p for the most part, will be paired with my current 4k screen. I'm just looking for something with the best color possible for color adjustments aside from other editing

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Does the brand make any difference to reference cards or do they all come out of the same factory anyway?

Still in stock btw for 409€ (mindfactory)

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still phoneposting

my monitor is like this, I have a hdmi/dvi adapter and I'm on 1920x1080. Am I retarded or is my monitor fucked?

>>62199964
Hit the AUTO button on the monitor or in the menu, should fix it right up.

>>62199977
fixed my shit, next time I build a pc I'll do more research

>>62200034
Sweet, don't sweat I had fuckups when building.

>>62200034
don't worry, two guys this week thought something was broken when they just wired their front panel power button incorrectly.

my ni/g//g/ers, is the bristol ridge A12 APU's any good for a stop before a Ryzen 1600? tell me all about it because I haven't heard shit about it.

How far can I overclock a 1700 on the stock cooler?

>>62200206
3.8 Ghz

>>62200206
3.7 at is easily doable. Get an aftermarket cooler if you want to push it to 4 or more.

>>62199584
ic
is a 2560x1440 monitor worth the money?
or should I stick with 1920 x 1080 monitor?

Building a new rig, and honestly stuck on CPU. Cost isn't an issue. Will not be overclocking.
Vidgaymes at 1440p with a 1080(ti) is priority, but will also be watching YouTube/Netflix and possibly downloading in the background while doing so.

AMD or Intel?

>>62200555
Specifically, 7700 or 1800/Threadripper?

>>62200555
I'd get the 6 core Ryzen 5, outperforms the older 8350, which wasn't a joke of a multitasking CPU.

>>62200572
Thank you Anon.

>>62200555
Amd.
1700 and OC to 4.0

>>62200145
Fuck that, Raven Ridge comes before the end of the year. But then again, those are mobile chips.

>>62199906
For reference cards there's no difference. Of it's not reference, the PCB, VRM, power delivery and Cooling are all depending on brand.
>>62199152
Thanks man, those years fucking around with legos and megablocks really help trough this life threatening hobby

>>62200616
>Will not be overclocking

Fucking miners.
Are there any RX radeons not affected by this shit?

>>62200533
4k or bust
WQHD is nice, but it's not that big of a jump compared to FHD.

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hola /g/entlemen, i want to play hearthstone and league of legends on medium settings, will this do the trick?

>>62200555
Unless you have a 144Hz screen, I'd probably go with 1600x since you're not going to overclock. A 7700k is also an option since money isn't an issue.

>>62200616

>>62200555
>>62200567
here

Thank you for the input. Further input is welcome!

>>62200651
Definitely getting a 144Hz screen for this. I would rather not drop the money and sit on 1080p.

>>62200668
144Hz is different from 1440p.

>>62200683
You're right, not thinking very well today it seems. Going for a 1440p screen trying to utilize the 144Hz*.

>>62200637
>DDR4-2133
What are you, poor?

>>62199906
>Still in stock after more than an hour

Miners sleeping?

>>62200720
mining is an american thing, i don't think many people in germany care

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>580 8gb powercolour "red dragon" for 370 euro
y/n?

>>62200637
>windows 8

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>>62200751
>MSRP is 280€ for 8GB and 220 for 4GB
I might end up getting a 4GB for 310€

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>>62200923
prices are literally never going down by the looks of it

>>62200751
for 40€ more you can get a Vega 56, which is at least 60% faster

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>>62200964
>you can get a Vega 56

>>62200974
you can if you use one of those bargain hunting websites that gives you alerts on products you are looking for. Got 4 alerts on vega 56 being in stock for MSRP in 5 days.

Worked for me™

>>62197367
>Hurr durr a cheap CPU performs like a cheap CPU
If you're concerned about performance then why the fuck are you looking at $60 CPUs? It's a much better buy than a Pentium CPU simply because of the upgrade path since it's a AM4 CPU.

>custom loops cost as much as high end gpus
lmao

>>62200567
>>62200555
1600. You won't get anymore performance out of the 1700.
That being said if you want to go all out for gaming performance, 7700k is the way to go. The value isn't as good, but the performance is better in the end. (Worse at multitasking and on a dead platform though.)

>>62200623
He should. It's free performance. And it's really easy to do nowadays.

>>62200698
1440p144Hz needs a really beefy computer to keep up.

>>62201158
People who build custom watercooling already have high end GPUs. Nobody is choosing between both.

>>62201129
>If you're concerned about performance then why the fuck are you looking at $60 CPUs?
Well, for starters, the g4560 has pretty amazing price/performance.

>>62201229

>>62200698

Precisely. Going all out, so to speak.
What I am seeing is if I want to go gaming and faff off all day it's the 7700. If I want to game but run Handbrake elsewhere I'm looking at a Ryzen. (Not overclocking either.) Sounds about right?

I spent my whole budget on a good Ryzen/1080ti build but I bent the pins on my 1800x. How bad will a 1200 bottleneck the 1080ti while I wait for Zen2?

>>62201334
Have you tried to get it replaced with warranty?

>>62200625
Nvidia prices gonna shoot up across the board effective today due to gddr5 shortage anon.

Were in the dark ages.

>>62197037
I got prebuilt workstation with a xeon w3540 and 16gb of ram. What GPU should I put in it? Currently has a quadro FX 3800.

1900X today and upgrade to Zen2 in ~2 years on the same mobo?
Or say fuck it and go all in on the 1950 now?

>>62201478
Bang for buck anon and rebuild every 2-3 years.

>>62201346
Where would I apply for warranty? It's 3 months old and I broke it myself.

>>62201501
But I have up to 6k to burn. Car's paid off. Don't need a new TV, or furniture, or anything.
Bang for buck is relative.

>>62201478
You could always split the difference and get 1920x now, Zen 3 when it comes out in 2-3 years.

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How many m.2 drives can you generally fit in a board? I've looked at every spec for this thing and all the pictures I can find, I can't get a square answer. I want to order 2 drives but I'm not sure, I've never used this kind of board or this kind of drive

>>62201511
The place you bought it.

>>62201575
Keep some money. You'll be glad to find it if something happens. Don't just spend money because you can.
I just got several thousand € I don't need, and I built myself a 500€ computer because that's all I need.

>>62201625
It took me literally 5 seconds to find the answer. You may be retarded, anon.

>>62201626
Amazon's warranty is only 30 days, so it's expired.

>>62201652
The manufacturer says 1, Amazon says 2, and a customer says 2 what do you want from me

>>62201654
Electronics have a year minimum unless you're a burger where customers have no rights. If Amazon refuses it then AMD should handle it.

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>>62201672
I wonder who you should believe, the people who make them or some shmuck who wrote an amazon review.
Anyway, read reviews from actual reviewers, and look at the pictures. There's one.

>>62201694
What's the best way to contact AMD for warranty? I'm a burger.

What processor for a DLNA/PLEX server, using an old salvaged 970 for the GPU?

R3? Pentium? Or step it up a tier?

>>62201735
First you should try Amazon and if that fails look up AMD's site about their warranties or customer support and mention that the vendor refused a replacement. You have nothing to lose by asking.

>>62198273
What CPU? Check the pins in the socket or on the CPU. And you applied new thermal paste I assume?

>>62201826
I read their warranty site and it explicitly says damage caused by the consumer isn't covered. How do I apply through Amazon now that the refund period is over?

In case you weren't aware - GPU prices are expected to go up even more (from 3% to 10%). So it would be a better idea to buy now instead of waiting.
Source: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170828PD207.html

>>62201882
>damage caused by the customer isn't covered
That's why you tell them it arrived like that and you didn't even touch it.

Also fixing bent CPU PGA pins is easy as long as they haven't broken of yet. Pliers, magnifying glass and a lot of patience.

>>62201930
Won't they be suspicious when it's been 3 months and I haven't even opened the box?
It's like 15 bent pins and they're too close together to use pliers. Are tweezers okay?

>>62201258
And the AM4 Athlon CPUs almost matches it in gaming for a lower price, so what's your point?

What's the cheapest AM4 CPU?

>>62197113
Reminder

>>62202031
has any of the major sites done a review/comparison?

>>62202027
This if you have a dedicated GPU

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113456

This if you don't

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113455

>>62201951
Depends on how good a lier you are and how much the underpaid, bored support "tech" cares about saving his company a few bucks.

Tweezers are OK, that's the word I was looking for. Check a tutorial on how to do it before you try it. Look twice, bent into shape once. The pins don't like to be bent often,at some point they break off and then your CPU is truly fucked.

>>62202052
Don't think so but some tests are up on Youtube, it's slightly slower than the G4560 but costs less, and the Athlons can be overclocked so that closes the performance gap further

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3TeXThNsU

>>62202057
How weak is the 950? Will it bottleneck a 1080ti in muh games?

>>62202113
>pairing a budget CPU with a 1080

Hey /g/ can you help me build a gaming rig (The Witcher, Fallout, PUBG, Far Cry)?
Budget is 500-550 euro
Also, eurofag from Italy here, may have some problem with newegg shipment costs (50 euros i think)

>>62202099
>hasn't been properly reviewed
into the trash it goes

>>62202136
It's a weird situation. Should I just spend the extra $45 on a 1200?

>>62202149
Perfect

>>62202113
Depends on what you play. If you crank up the resolution high enough it won't, but playing supersampled from 8K probably isn't a realistic scenario

>>62202150
1300X**

Yesterday i did my new build, all went well, did all the OS and software setup as well. I used the PC maybe for 4 hours in the afternoon, went out and then 3 more hours at night.

Today I got back and when i power up the PC i get the 2 seconds of power, then it turned itself off multiple times.

So I took it out from under the desk and just to make sure, plugged it into another socket and tried again and it booted again. Then to test it i powered it down and tried AGAIN and it shut itself off. Did the unplug -> replug and tried once more and it booted once more.

At this point I'm somewhat clueless how to proceed.

Possible issues:

Faulty PSU, or I messed up my wiring somehow? I wouldn't think that it shorts somewhere since I never had it shutdown unexpectedly, just not boot at all.

Issues with the motherboard possibly CMOS?

I wouldnt think the issue is related to overheating since the CPU temp is constantly around 95-110 F when in use.

Parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLCbJV

Some advice would be appreciated.

>>62202149
It just got released a few days ago you dipshit, most people don't even know they got released

>>62198710
My mistake , I thought it didn't come with a stock cooler. Also is there really little difference between the 1700 and 1700X if I just overclock?

I already have the 1080ti, I just put it on the list to show the full build same with the case.

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>>62202204
until it gets properly reviewed it shouldn't be considered.
even stock r3 1200 loses to g4560.

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Thoughts?

Trying to replace my 3yo poverty build (i3 4160, R9 270X, 10GB DDR3, 1080p 60Hz).

It's kind of funny though because my current shit PC can play most of the recent games (subjectively) just fine, can run 3 VMs at the same time smoothly and doesn't have much trouble playing 1080p ANIME.

>>62202148
1080p60 I imagine? That budget will be a little short.

>>62202241
get r5 1600 instead, 1500x is just poor value
change mobo to asrock pro4 or something from msi (tomahawk, mate, mortar)

>>62202219
>Also is there really little difference between the 1700 and 1700X if I just overclock?
Yes, there is none. Maybe binning but there's no evidence of that.

Kernel power error on windows 10 probably points to faulty psu, correct? I'm not necessarily building an all new pc, just swapping some stuff

>>62202241
>It's kind of funny though because my current shit PC can play most of the recent games (subjectively) just fine, can run 3 VMs at the same time smoothly and doesn't have much trouble playing 1080p ANIME.
Then why upgrade?

>>62202235
It's the G4560 that shouldn't be considered now when AM4 CPUs and APUs that are cheaper than the G4560 exist. The only reason for why the G4560 gets recommended over the 1200 is because it has an iGPU, and the price you're paying for that is a dual core desktop CPU in 2017 with a shit upgrade path.

>>62202351
Thanks for the help

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>>62202367
>Then why upgrade?
Because it feels good.

>>62202378
i know but as for now we don't know their 'true' performance and no, youtube videos from some random russians aren't a reliable source.
considering that a 4c/4t on zen architecture still loses to g4560 in some scenarios, i don't see how a cpu on older arch and lower IPC would match its performance.

>>62202148
Something along those lines could do.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Z66fWX
Keep in mind that pcpartpicker in Italy only lists two sites (Amazon and Alternate), so I'm sure you will be able to find better prices by looing around.
Honestly the 1050Ti is less than ideal. A 1060 6GB would be the best fit here, but it's going to be hard to fit with that budget unless you can find some very good deals.
Also I didn't put in an SSD, which I myself couldn't do without.
If you can reuse a case, storage or (good) power supply you already have, that budget could be made into a nice computer.

>>62202503
>>62202148
Oh and if you want I can tell you why I chose those parts, if you want to look for better deals yourself.

>>62202496
They're overclockable, that's how.

>>62202285
If it is possible...

>>62202503
>>62202520
Well Anon Sir, thank you very much! I can use some older 500W power supply from my brother previous rig and also his case. So my problem is mobo+vga+processor.. And your list looks really good.

>>62202592
Someone started build something similar for me, only mobo+processor+vga

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JBhX6X

What do you think?

Good day people !
I'm currently trying to install a gtx 1080 on a z68chipset/core i7-2600k to see if heavily enough oc'd the CPU will be a match for the card. The problem is that I can't have the drivers working properly so here i am.

So here's what i did :
I had an old asus gtx 570 on a P8Z68 deluxe mobo with 8go ddr3 and i7-2600k ready to be overclocked as I already stated. I upgraded the computer to windows 10 and installed latest nvidia drivers. I put back on factory settings so the oc won't trouble the installation.
Then I did the switch. Everything went fine, it booted easy...
And now the fun part : Windows can't render a fking frame. I mean i have to wait 5 minutes and click to get the homescreen poping from a black screen. If i try to open the setting windows or run a "verifier" or if I get any pop-up window i get a "dpc watchdog violation" bsod.

So, what did i do wrong (beside having the idea to put a 1080/2600k combo)?

>>62197726
what type of monitor would one need for such a build, assuming one is going for 1440p@60hz?

>>62202174
There's no difference, why pay $20 more?

>>62201904
>paying for a GPU more than cpu+mobo+ram
This world has gone to shit permanently.

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>>62201904
>Sorry, the page you are trying to open is available only for our paid subscribers.

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>>62202762
>A high end gpu costs more than a mid range rig

>>62202762
my GPU made up 50% of my build in terms of cost. I just gave in and did it anyways.

>>62202235
>1300x is above 1400

Discarded.

What's the patrician build atm? (Best bang for buck, not enthusiast tier)

1060 6gb / r5 1600 / b350 / 250gb ssd / 1tb hdd ?

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>>62202832

>>62203031
Dedotated Wam?

>>62201087
Not him, but which site do you use?

Should I get this?https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GXOWUDQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_SAAQzb5PYV6ZK

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>>62202839
>mfw my 1080 Ti cost me 950 euros

>>62203341
>tfw your whole pc is worth less than 80€

>>62202615
I'm partial to the AMD choice here. Even though the Intel may just edge it in gaming performance right now (and not by much), the Ryzen 1200 has better multithread performance (important for multitasking or tasks like video editing), and games are starting to use multiple threads better and better.
Moreover, the AM4 socket used by the Ryzen is guaranteed to stay used for the next 5 years. A motherboard for that Intel right now won't be able to accept the new Intel processors coming next month. So if you want to upgrade in a few years, that's also something to consider.
And lastly, the Ryzen comes with a very decent CPU cooler, and can be overclocked (the Intel can't) even on this stock cooler, which puts it above the Pentium in games.

As far as RAM and GPU go, you still have 8GB of decently fast RAM and a 1050Ti, so the overall performance would be the same.

>>62202592
>some older 500W power supply
If you can find the model of it, it would be nice. Because many cheap power supplies, while they have a high wattage numbers, aren't actually that great (bad efficiency, badly regulated...) and would be worth changing for a better one.
If it's a good one, 500W will be more than enough for your build.

>>62203341
>Yuropoors actually pay this much
Holy shit man

>>62202924
that seems right if we're talking stock clocks.

>>62203031
This yeah. Those are the mid-range heroes right now. And 8 to 16GB of DDR4-3000 or 3200.

>>62203188
Sure

>>62203525
>the AM4 socket used by the Ryzen is guaranteed to stay used for the next 5 years
until 2020. which is not full 3 years. still longer than intel but let's not mislead people

Does the Cryorig H7 come with an AM4 bracket yet in the box or do you still have to order one? Also does anyone know if the ASRock AB350M Pro 4 has any meme LED lights of any kind on it?

>>62203619
2021 actually, but you're right.

>>62203619
>>62203630
Do you think Zen 3 will be able to match 7700K single thread performance?

>>62203627
>Also does anyone know if the ASRock AB350M Pro 4 has any meme LED lights of any kind on it?
It doesn't.

>>62203627
if it's not specifically said by the seller, assume it's not in the box. or ask the seller before ordering.
for the motherboard you could literally google that on asrock's site. it doesn't, but it has headers for RBG fans.

>>62203675
>Zen 3
The ones that will come out in like 4 years? I fucking hope so.

>>62203678
>>62203682
Alright cool, thanks

>>62203691
Probably more like three, or two and half.

>>62203691
I want to go into ryzen but I also want the single thread performance for my gaymes

...

fug

>>62203675
Zen 2 most likely will. Zen 3 ought to beat it.

R8 my gaymen build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4kZM8

>>62203767
But what makes you think AMD is capable of this? Based on past performance it does not seem so.

>>62203734
Have you seen the difference in performance between a 7700k and an overclocked 1600?

>>62203808
epic xD

>>62203829
In newer games it might be closer. But in older not as optimized games you will see a larger difference.

I think games still prefer single thread over moar cores

>>62203525
Well this is a heck of explanation, thank you very much. I'll try to find the model for the power supply.. Howevere, your considerations almost convinced me, an upgrade could be possible in the next years. Thank you very very much!

>>62203855
Yeah but in older games the 1600 will already be overkill.

>>62203920
But will it last as long as intels cpus? or will it be bulldozer?

the 2500k still runs strong but nothing on amds side can be compared to it.

>>62203819
>Based on past performance it does not seem so.
Oh? Can you name a single time when the second generation based on a new architecture was NOT a significant improvement over the first one? Bulldozer sucked dicks, true. But Piledriver was a big improvement over it. This time AMD already has a good architecture, and there's no reason to not expect Zen 2 to deliver.


>>62203939
>But will it last as long as intels cpus? or will it be bulldozer?
Bulldozer sucked dicks INITIALLY. Relatively speaking it has actually gotten better over time.

>>62203178
mydealz.de

>>62202183
I read some stuff and an issue with the mobo might be the best bet. I flashed the BIOS for the time being and its currently running. Gonna have to monitor how often the error will turn up.

>>62203846
epyc

>>62203971
HOW DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN AMD YOU AUTIST

>>62204011
So you can't, then?

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Guys, please recommend a mouse to me.

- black
- no gaymen
- wireless

Price is arguable, but not super expensive. Something minimal in design perhaps.

>>62204129
Something made by microsoft.

>>62204073
Can AMD be a good choice if you are not on a budget for strictly gaming at high refresh rates?

>>62204229
They already are, it's just that Intel is better at least until Zen2 comes out.

Inb4 Zen gets a piledriver refresh then stays that way for 5 fucking years

Cap this.

>>62204268
But we don't know that.

I don't want to be C U C K E D and spend a whole nother 500 dollaridoos on intel once AMD fails.

>>62204316
Then buy Intel. But Zen is very solid architecture, and it's mainly limited by soft-cap of 4GHz. Zen 2 will quite certainly be better(being a refinement of existing architecture), it's only a question of how much better. It's only the second generation, so there are still low-hanging fruit when it comes to improving performance(unlike intel, who have been polishing the same architecture for a decade and so can only manage 2% better IPC each generation now), and everything else seems to point to a significant gains as well. And of course, supposedly it will use GloFo's high-performance 7nm node optimized for high frequencies, so there's a good chance that Zen 2 will clock higher than Zen on top of everything else.

We certainly don't KNOW that Zen2 will beat Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake in high-refresh gaming, that's true. But it wouldn't be at all surprising if it did.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kw2DLD
Linux dev/Gaymen build. I'm going to be getting a VEGA Nano when it comes out, and building a very small custom case. R7 1700 is already in the RMA process, it's a 16th week model, as I'm having the segfault issue.

Are there any obvious fuckups about this build? Any recommendations for a wide color gamut/color accurate monitor for photo/video editing and art creation? Price isn't an issue.

>>62204515
You really don't need a 1000W PSU.

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>>62204305
we already know the roadmap.

Cheap decent 140mm fans?
My Noiseblockers are starting to make noise at low rpms for some reason

>>62204547
I'm optimizing for near-silence (<20db total package). The 520W fanless power supplies from Seasonic have audible coil whine issues, so I got the 1000W PSU which only spins up fans past 500W (which my components will never consume more than, even under full artificial load) and has no reported coil whine issues. Also, I'll be able to transplant this PSU to my next build, assuming I go for something more power hungry next time.

>>62202663
>I installed latest nvidia drivers.
>Then I did the switch.
Try booting in Safe Mode, uninstall your GPU driver completely. Then reinstall the GPU driver. Searching for the error code, it does appear to be a driver error.

>>62204582
>decent
Noctua
>cheap + decent
CoolerMaster

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So I built my first computer over the past half year. I had noticed no performance issues with it in fact I was loving what I was getting out of it (mainly using it to play Quake and Doom games and emulation).

But then I recently installed Speccy and- OH FUCK.

I'm using a Cooler Master Hyper T2 if anyone is wondering.

>>62204669
The Hyper T2 and TX3 relly suck ass, I get 65C temps here in cali on the 8350 and TX3.

>planning gaming rig
>starcraft remastered comes out
>school starts

no point in getting one now, should I wait for black friday?

>>62199906
Fuck do they ship to other countries in eu. That's literally 1060 6gb price in my country.

What's the best 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD for general use like file storage?

>>62204890
I'm not him but as far as I know you just have to pay an extra 8 euros for rest of europe shipping

>>62204584
Well, you clearly know what you're doing. I'm not even sure why you're asking people to check.

>>62204730
65°C is normal for AM3

>mfw 1060 3gb for $190 at walmart

It will tide me over til black friday hopefully. Alot better then my 760 for sure and below MSRP.

>>62204991
>3gb

>>62204949
Okay cool, I thought it shouldn't hurt it because speccy wasn't showing red, with more headroom to go and the chip itself will shut off before it hurts itself.

>>62204591
Well, I finally manage to reach safe mode. All is fixed now. Thanks lad !

I'm still rocking in my Noctua DH-14 just right, should I jump to AIO cooler? I've never experienced working on those.

>>62205019
no

>>62205019
AIOs are a meme for ricers

>>62205019
AIOs will get you really low temps, but so will a DH-14.
DH-15s outcompete most 120mm radiators, and even some 240mm radiators (not as often, though), so I really don't think you have anything to worry about, unless you want to push your CPU to its *absolute limits* (5Ghz Kaby Lake/4.2Ghz Ryzen). The DH-14 is basically the tipping point where your limiting factor isn't temperatures, it's voltages, since your CPU can degrade over time if you set voltages too high (even if you run something absurd like 24/7 LN2).

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Dudes, don't make the mistake of buying a 144hz monitor with a mid range card like I did. 60 fps now feels like total shit in the same way that 30 fps would've previously done.

Don't assume that adaptive sync will save you either, because it won't.

>>62205073
Are AIOs a good idea to buy? especially if you want low temps without something beefy covering your whole mobo

>>62205082
144 hz isn't enough
we have to go faster

>>62205082
what card did you buy?

>>62205112
competitive fps players are running 240Hz now.

>>62205082
Just lower some settings, faggot.

>>62205100
>without something beefy covering your whole mobo
yeah the only reason to buy them is fashion.
which is a good reason let's face it

>>62205100
If you have the case for it, and you want less stuff on the motherboard, sure. But they're more expensive, less reliable, and not any better than the stuff you have now. Hell, even the L9x65 with a 25mm fan will get you better temps than the lower-end $60-100 radiators. Other posters are right, they're mostly a meme for people who want XXXTREME overclocks (and burn their CPUs out in a year or so) and people who don't know any better. Plus they can burst and kill everything in your computer if anything goes wrong.

>>62205112
>tfw everyone focuses on pure hz and not on the things that matter, like persistence, response times, and color accuracy
>tfw CRTs are a dead tech now, despite having everything that pro gamers want

>>62205201
>>tfw CRTs are a dead tech now, despite having everything that pro gamers want
they kept using it for a long time too. but nobody is going to keep making CRTs for such a niche market.

>>62205201
>despite having everything that pro gamers want
Except for not killing eyes.

>>62205201
AOC is working on a FreeSync 2 / G-Sync 144hz monitor with a 0.5 ms response time.

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>strap 140mm static pressure fan onto the top of this
>run at cooler temps than a 360mm AIO with lower noise and less strict case requirements (no 120x3 slot needed) and no risk of component damage

prove me wrong

>>62205216
I wish they did, is what I'm saying. The good gaming panels have shit color accuracy/gamut. Plus, CRT's response times are in the nanoseconds, not milliseconds, and their persistence is lower than the best of the best in motion blur reduction panels right now.

>>62205221
proof chickun

>>62205236
1 µs < 0.5ms
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/specials/inputlag/inputlag-part14.html

>>62205336
>proof
In 3 years of crt my eyes went from -1 to -3. In 12 years of lcd they went from -3 to -4. Fuck off, crt faggot.

I have 2 non-PWM case fans and want to get a third fan, is there any use in getting a single PWM fan if the others are just normal ones?

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>>62205258

>That colossal size
>Only 730 grams

Get on my level, mind you I don't think anyone in their right mind would actually mount it normally inside a normal computer case since it would probably rip out the CPU socket

http://thermalright.com/product/true-copper/

>>62205516
>since it would rip out the CPU socket
Not even close, PCBs are surprisingly strong. I got a rajijntek Morpheus on my R9 290, with the two 120mm fans it weighs almost 2kg. Fixed to the card with 4 screws, not even a metal backplate or mounting, just straight through the PCB. Hardly bends.

how does one deal with waiting for part to arrive

>>62205778
whatever you do never check the progress
it will come when it comes

>>62205817
>don't check progress
>be at work/friends/sport when the delivery oompa loompa makes it to your house
>wait another few days before they can be assed to show up again

>>62205856
>going out of the house
NORMIES OUT

>>62205778
check the tracker obsessively about every five minutes

>>62204582
4 pack of Cougar fans

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>>62205817
>>62205929

I got my 1080ti today but just realized that I ordered the wrong version (FTW3 DT instead of FTW3). From what I understand, the DT cards failed to meet FTW standards but their OC ability is still up in the air(?) Should I send it back to newegg or keep it and see if I can hit 2ghz?

>>62206004
Send it back.

>>62206004
>ordering the wrong thing
your fucking bad

>>62205201
>Plus they can burst and kill everything in your computer if anything goes wrong.
you are scaring me anon

I guess i'll just overclock a lil on my computer :(

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Can I use my haswell i3 3.6GHz with a GTX 1060?

Sub-$200 ryzens don't seem to be that much better for every day use.

>>62206254
Yes. If you already have it just use the i3, you're fine for the kind of gaming you'd be doing with the 1060.
If you don't already have the i3, I'd recommend a R3 1200 and overclock it to shit. It'll beat the tar out of most i5s even.

>>62206293
Thanks. I already have the i3, just wanted to get a new GPU.
I thought I might be able to upgrade to a better intel cpu for cheap but the kikes change sockets every 6 months.

>spend 1.5k on new pc
>most of my time i'm shitposting or watching anime from my $120 memepad
>still thinking about making a custom loop
i need help

>>62206356
>Aww yeah yeah nigga once I build this 8350 rig I'm gonna be exporting x264 stuff so fast
>Build rig
>Messed with cinebench but haven't edited a thing
>Still watching porn and doing the same stupid shit

you can get a full rgb 1500x rx 580 16gb ram build with a 120 aio for $800 or less from cyberpower right now. building is fucked with current gpu prices

>>62206402
Wow! I've always wanted a shit case, shit motherboard, slow ram, no name psu and gpu for the same price as a great build. Thank you anon.

>>62206344
Yeah, that i3 will keep you going for another few years if you accept you're basically going to be stuck with lower-end games/graphics, but the CPU is generally less important than the GPU for gaming so it's not a big deal.

>>62206356
>play Warframe obsessively for hours per day every day for months on end on FX-4350
>frame rate capped out at 45 because game is so CPU bound, despite strong GPU
>upgrade to Ryzen
>don't play it much anymore, use CPU for mining, play STALKER which never touches the CPU even a little bit

>>62205112
I feel that going too deep would only result in tears and further regret.

>>62205119
R9 390

>>62205193
But it's not fun when the games are too ugly either.

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>>62206356
>tfw built over 2k animu 4chin machine

anyone watch ebay gpu prices? what's a good bid to win on a 1080 currently? i have $600 and looking to buy either a vega 56 at msrp (good fucking luck me) or 1080 + waterblock.

>>62197113
>bulldozer based
>quad core

its shared cache half cores, its really only a dual core but every other point is correct

>>62206522
>ebay
>gpu
dont

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GPU prices are slated to rise evem more so it's now or never and I need your advice.
Just put together an R5 1600 sysyem with new everything except gpu which I just threw in my old one (r9 280x). I simply can't afford a 1070 or any decent rx 5xx, so it's either drop $300 on a 1060 6gb or ride out the storm. I'm already in the hole this month from the ryzen build but time is a factor here. I don't mind medium graphics at 60fps and I have a lot of older games to catch up on, but my worry is I won't even be able to hit 30 on low depending on how long the GPU madness lasts

So, lads, wat do

>>62206940
i'm explicitly scoping evga gpus for that transferable warranty, if i do find a vega 56 i'm 100% buying new.

>>62207024
Wait for black friday.

Whatever price rises your region will experience in the period between shouldn't make big enough difference for whatever sales offer you may find then.

And if the prices will have a big impact, then you shouldn't be building a gaming pc.

>>62197948
Already have a 1tb hard drive and a 128gb ssd.

wd black or barracuda pro

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>online shop has 100€ lower price compared to the nearest competitor on a 4K monitor
>no sales tags or anything

The model is the AOC U3277FWQ.

I'm very tempted to not let a good deal go by but I primarily want to see if if the promises of new large screen gaming monitors will show up in the coming months.

I also don't have a gpu strong enough for 4K but I want to get away from my 1080p TN badly...

should i get a 24" monitor for better fonts

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For a poverty-tier, 1080p@60Hz build:
RX 580 4GB for 300€
or
GTX 1060 3GB for 220€
or
GTX 1060 6GB for 280€

I have a strong preference for AMD cards but the prices are way too inflated and the castrated 1060 for 220€ seems like the best deal currently.

>>62207466
I got one for $190 from Walmart two days ago.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/PNY-GeForce-GTX-1060-3GB-Video-Card-VCGGTX10603PB-Graphics-Cards/158039014

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Would 1080p look like ass on a 4k screen, compared to a same size 1080p screen?

>>62207466
1060 3GB

AMD is not a good value option on the GPU side anymore. They run hotter, draw more power and has less game optimization than nvidia.

The only thing going for them at the moment is Freesync, but that is not a budget focused feature and no monitor manufacturer seems to want to hop on FS2.

>>62207583
It would look worse.

But its not worth investing in 1080p monitors anymore, and you'll be able to upgrade your GPU sooner or later anyway so buying it early isn't really a problem.

NEW THREAD
>>62207739
>>62207739
>>62207739

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>>62207624
I've been looking at 4k IPS monitors for my next build, which wouldn't be fully 4k ready, but I was thinking I could run lighter things at 4k and reserve the heavy stuff for 1080p. I suppose I'll just hang on to my VG248QE.