So a guy allegedly has CP on his drive that is encrypted, but

>>62180381
Which backdoor? There isn't a single one.

He probably used Veracrypt, which is open source and does not have said backdoors. If he had used Microsoft's Bitlocker, he would've been fucked.

What I don't get is how do they know he had known CP hashes if his drive is encrypted?

>>62180421

Backdoors:

>cpu backdoor
>MS backdoor
>encryption software hamstring

Every day there is a thread on this site about backdoors, yet most data spills occur via sneakernet or out right physical theft.

>>62180421
I believe it's OS X's builtin encryption.

If there are backdoors it's kind of a double edged sword. Getting in through one reveals its existence. There are actually pedophiles charged through a Tor exploit who were allowed to walk free because the FBI wouldn't give up how the exploit worked. These security holes have more value when used against shit like Iranian centrifuges rather than kiddie fiddlers' laptops.

>jailed for refusing to decrypt your drive
so this is the power of the legendary american freedom...woah...

>>62180574
as if your nation is any better yurocuck

I used veracyrpt to encrypt an external 500gb HD

Tried to mount it once, it was taking like 45 minutes to mount for some reason, despite taking nowhere near that long the first time I mounted it, it froze my entire PC, had to hard reset, and upon rebooting it had completely wiped my SSD. As in my internal SSD, not the external veracrypted HDD.

Scared to even plug it into anything now. Might just format it completely.

>>62180589
Yurop is /lit/ or /sci/

Murrica is literally /b/ and /hm/

>>62180595

pebkac

>>62180598

>/b/ and /hm/
so we're fun and creative, and better looking? how's that an insult?

Why would anyone use valuable backdoor on some random irrelevant dude

hang all pedos

>>62180381
If they would use the backdoor, they would most probably also have to reveal it in court. WOuld you uncover your secret weapon on some weirdo with nsfl fetish?

>>62180381
>his country jails him for protecting his data
Top cuck.

protip they'll use the backdoor for important things and then concoct a story afterward, this is how it's been done since the dawn of time

cp isn't important enough for that

>>62180381
Why expose a useful backdoor to the public in order to convict one pedo when you can just detain him forever, or at least until he unlocks it?

>>62180739
>cp isn't important enough for that
t. pedo

>>62180717
>>62180589

>>62180612
>/b/
>fun and/or creative and/or better looking
>/hm/
>fun and/or creative

>>62180381
Intelligence agencies don't use their super secret techniques for normal criminal stuff, because then they'd have to reveal their method, which would hurt their ability to use the technique.

Because they already have him detained on reasonable suspicion.

There have been multiple cases in the past where the prosecutors have dropped charges because it was not in their interest to admit how they obtained a piece of evidence and thus it could not be considered in the case. One bloke's CP collection isn't worth it.

Here's the bigger question: How do they know he even has CP on his drive? I thought American courts worked on an "innocent until proven guilty" mindset. If they can't prove he's guilty with the resources they have at hand, shouldn't they let him go? I mean, what if he unlocks the drive and all that's on it is a text file that says "Haha no CP here, get fucked FBI" #WasteTheirTime2017

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>>62180679
>>62180571
I think this is the only reason why they wouldn't show the world what they can do. That being said, what about the san bernadino terrorist iphone?

>>62180595
I only encrypt my tax return pdfs (still do it by hand), and a file with my password mnemonics. The file only contains mnemonics and not the actual passwords. I only encrypt this in case the computer is stolen.

BTW: was looking for an image approriate for this thread and I stubled upon this article about intel ME.

http://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/security/researchers-say-now-you-too-can-disable-intel-me-backdoor-thanks-to-the-nsa.html

>>62180381

>use backdoor to get evidence
>the defense then asked how the evidence was obtained
>reveal the existence of backdoor
>billion dollar backdoor revealed to put one pedo in jail

you are not very smart

>>62180810
>to put one pedo in jail
It's highly likely that there are other pedos out there, so the technique could be used on them as well.

>>62180817
But then everyone knows about the backdoor, paedos and otherwise.

>>62180717
>his country jails him for mixing up pronouns and talking bad about immigrants
top cuck

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>>62180750
which country landed people on the moon again?

>>62180776
The law still hasn't caught up with technology. Read OP's pic related.

>>62180844
a country that was ruled by white men

>>62180421
>What I don't get is how do they know he had known CP hashes if his drive is encrypted?
If he was using P2P(Freenet honeypot), then it'd be possible for them to determine that his IP was indeed downloading hashes of known CP.

Of course, in order to prosecute him, they need proof it's actually on his HDD, which is encrypted.

What's the point of encryption if they can just hold you indefinitely if you don't decrypt it?
The only usefulness I can think of is if you don't want a non-government official seeing your data.

>>62180589
>every country that isn't america is england/germany
so this is the power of the legendary american education...woah...

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>>62180844

>the fat neckbeard on the anime website digs back almost half a century into his country's history to indirectly take credit for a task that was completed by an organization of progressive geniuses from a very diverse set of national backgrounds

immigration is literally what made america great in the first place. the rest of her success has been a direct result of that, and the 2nd and 3rd generation of heirs to her wealth have grown fat and complacent. they now ignorantly think her success was somehow the product of their bloodline, which, ironically, is arguably the most heterogeneous in history. now they want to wall themselves in, thinking that they can somehow sustain a level of greatness that owes itself entirely to an unwalled garden in the first place.

>>62180817

You don't think pedos read pedo newsletter about how a pedo was busted due to a backdoor?

you are not very smart

>>62180936
>germany banning encryption
So this is the legendary /g/ education

>>62180589
>>62180749
>>62180832
Why is it that when Americans are faced with problems with their country, they instantly just deflect and talk about Europe?

>>62180962
>this reading comprehension
I know most of America only speaks Spanish, but surely they at least make some effort to teach you English?

>>62180973

fear. they are terrified because they feel their grasp on the world slipping. similar to how a child may snap at their sibling when they are scared and feel a loss of control of the situation.

>>62180962

>was literally just using telegram with german friends moments ago

what

>>62180745
catching pedos doesn't get the guv'm'nt money

>>62180381
>be government
>have a powerful backdoor nobody knows about
>enormous potential for espionage and military applications
>fucking burn it on some pedo
Solid logic.

>>62180936
>england/germany
I implied nothing, all of yurop is shit.

>>62180973
Why is it that yurocucks feel the need to point out their supposed superiority when some shit happens in 'murica?
aka "they started it first!"

>>62180381
>If there is a backdoor, then why doesn't the govmnet open the door and look at his hard drive?
In the USA, the government could look at his harddrive through a backdoor, but none of the information could be used against the suspect because the info would have been obtained without a warrant.

If a warrant is obtained by legal means, even then, the defense can ask to examine the methods used in the backdoor decryption, and the government would not want to reveal this.

>>62180973
Because only Europeans have a big enough inferiority complex to always bring up America's short-comings at the drop of a hat. A local McDonald's serves a man a bad burger? AHA PROOF AMERIKKKA IS SHIT AND EUROPE IS GREAT.

>>62181490
People are tribal animals, they're always going to bring up other tribes' shortcomings. And contrary to what you burgers seem to think, Europe is not some homogenous entity; it's dozens of sovereign "tribes" that have been hating each other for centuries way more than your American exceptionism makes you think they hate you.

>>62180381
You wouldn't give up a backdoor in such a simple case to the public.

>>62180844
The one that treated Nazi scientists better.

>>62181651
>Europe is not some homogenous entity
Tell that to EUSSR

>>62180381
how can they maintain someone jailed without proves that he has that data in his drive?

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>>62180776
I think he's playing a long game

>spends 5 years in jail
>reveals the encypted HDD password
>no child porn
>IT'S LAWYER TIME

guy's set up for life

>>62180381

Because it's too valuable to be used on some child porn addict. They can already have him detained over the suspicion and him not complying to give up the key. He's fucked either way.

>take an empty hard drive
>encrypt it
>slip in someone's home
>give anonymous tip to police
>???
>jailed

>>62181760
Yes, murrican/anglo laws are this stupid. Enjoy 1984.

>>62180381
Because some faggot hoarding CP isn't worth it. Why would they risk exposing the fact that they have backdoors for someone so irrelevant? They'll use backdoors against political enemies and terrorists, not against pedofiles and pirates.

>>62181728
Why would it matter if there's nothing on it?

>>62180491
You will get no answers because there is none.

I no real life scenario has a backdoor been used.
You can still support the case of agencies using it on high profile people but that's still imagination - also it considers that for some odd reason governmental agencies and private corporations are very chill with each other lol.

Stop using a moral dilemma as an excuse to revoke privacy, there would be obvious evidence implicating this drive to contain cp, otherwise they would not know if it should even be suspect.

Conducting a more thorough investigation beforehand wouldn't require the case to get hung up on decrypting 2 drives.

They don't pull out the backdoors for child pornographers. They only pull them out for the real bad guys. Not terrorists, not murderers.
White nationalists. You can bet if he'd been a white nationalist too, he'd have the backdoors thrown at him.

Anyway, US law is pretty clear on this; if the police don't have other evidence to show them what is on the encrypted drive, then he is not obliged to decrypt it.

>>62180959
Immigration isn't what made america great. What made america great was the massive quantity of untapped resources being discovered at the time of the industrial revolution. Immigrants provided the workforce for this to happen. Immigrants aren't needed anymore since there are enough people to work the machines.

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>>62180959
>immigration is literally what made america great in the first place

Yeah, when America had a surplus of jobs, a surplus of opportunities, a surplus of social service capacity like education, a surplus of affordable housing choices and the immigrants came here to work and contribute rather than collect benefits.

I fully support immigration under those circumstances.

Unfortunately the economy is in shambles thanks to 8 years of a democrat president, a bunch of greedy rent seeking business people who aren't hiring or competing, democrat mayors and governors strangulating housing and new industry, etc etc etc etc etc

>>62180959
This American btfo

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>>62182150

>it was just lots of raw resources and mindless manual labour that put men on the moon or produced any of many other scientific and engineering breakthroughs

ok

>>62180381
if the police know that he downloaded CP based on hashes, isn't that enough to take him to court? if it's not enough to take him to court, why is that enough to hold him in contempt? surely you cannot jail someone indefinitely without at least charging them with a crime. there are constitutional protections for a speedy trial.

i wonder if the paedo told the judge that he forgot the password, or if he simply refused to decrypt the drive.

>>62182205

>attributes america's success to a "surplus of social service capacity
>immediately blames democrats for everything

yeah man we shoulda all voted for more "gubbermint = bad, cut services, free education is for commies" republicans

>>62180491
CPU backdoors/etc can potentially leak keys but if all you is the drive then there isn't shit you can do, except fruitlessly trying to bruteforce it.

this isn't about hollywood-hacking your way through some thick crust of encryption magic. the data is fucking gibberish.

dumb windrone.

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>>62182290
>misrepresents my entire post because of his retarded ideology
>refuses to acknowledge the damage that democrats have done to this nation

Hope you enjoy the next 8 years of everything you care about being dismantled.

>>62180973
What should be the course of action of the government in this case?

>we have evidence youve committed a crime and we are subpoenaing your encryption key
>no

[go to jail]

its the same thing as:
>we have evidence you have committed a crime and are subpoenaing your financial records
>no

[go to jail]

>>62182318
can you stop this bipartisan bullshit?

your economy was in shambles after W Bush, despite being nearly immaculate after Clinton. really, under Obama, it was just more of the same militaristic spending and pointless failed programs (eg No Child Left Behind, ACA). both parties are equally capable of being incompetent.

politics aren't a team sport.

>>62182318
>complains about democrats ruining the country
>is happy with the state of the republican party
>>>>>>>>>>unironically thinks Trump will get a second term
wew lad

>>62182290
He didnt attribute Americas success to a 'surplus of social service capacity'. He attributed that to be a result of America's success. You are intellectually dishonest and part of the problem.

>>62182355
your personal hard drives aren't subject to fiscal law. you're making a false equivalence.

man this OP isn't even about politics. can we stop bringing this shit into every thread?

>>62182318

>implying i live in your future 3rd-world shithole

>>62181852
No, the FBI can plant CP on political enemies. I hope you don't say anything political because we're all a target.

>>62180959
>This picture
Uhh, Trump doesnt carry a glock. Why would he have one when he carries an HK and/or .38sp revolver?

>>62180381
>suspect refuse to give passowrd

This is in America? I am surprised hammer wasn't taken to his legs..

>>62180959
Trump doesn't even hate immigrants, he's a complete civic nationalist. He just wants them here legally.

>>62180571
It's more likely they will keep the backdoor hidden till they can charge a whole bunch of them at once

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>plant some CP and encrypted hard drives in someone's house
>call cops
>jailed forever because can't decrypt

>>62180574
we actually can't unless we are on the border or in an airport, and even then they usually won't ask unless you are special

>>62182538
>B-but my nothing to hide

>>62182538
But what about just planting encrypted images of cars or plants, then calling the cops on enemy, who would be unable to decrypt.

THis is a bad precedent. I hope they have more evidence that the drive.

>>62180381
Nobody in government is interested on busting pedos with backdoors in first place.

>>62182538
>plant in first place

The reason they have for denying him his 5th amendment rights is pretty bullshit.

>Hurr, it's a foregone conclusion so you have to show it!
If you know for certain that there is CP on the drive, then you have sufficient evidence to prosecute without the drive needing to be decrypted. If you do not, then it is not a foregone conclusion. Either way, you must proceed with the trial as fast as possible. The defendant has a constitutional right to a speedy trial. The prosecution does not have a right to the perfect evidence.

>>62180595
change the PIM number

>>62183344
Literally extortion at this point.