/pcbg/ PC Building General - Skylake-X Edition

>>62112775
Has watercooling gone too far?

I have idea why R5 1500x is still fucking on the OP. It is a fucking shit CPU when it is barely less expensive and 2 core and 4 threads behind the 1600.

everyone says i3 is a terrible buy now that bentium are 4 thread. but 6100 on a H110 is only $10 more than a B250 and 4560.

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>>62112814
Still, terrible value when compared to a Ryzen 3 1200 on a B350 mobo.

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>>62112775
>Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later
I was considering buying the Crucial MX300 275 GB edition because i will install a dual boot setup with a Linux distro of 25 GB in size and a Windows 10 installation of 100 GB in size and still have plenty of space for programs
I already own a 1 TB HDD for all my files
So should i really go with the advice and get the 500 GB edition for 50 bucks more?
I feel that's too much since i store my music, images, movies and vidya on my HDD

>>62112813
it literally says that you should go up to r5 1600. honestly the whole op is trash but i cannot be bothered to edit it (and have "experts" shit on it), so i just copy/paste.

>>62112865
it's a whopping $30 more for an R3, B350 and 2800mhz ram, you some kinda richfag?

>>62112906
The ability to overclock the snot out of it and the 2 extra cores is worth it

>>62112878
>Windows 10 installation of 100 GB in size
what the fuck are you doing anon

>I feel that's too much since i store my music, images, movies and vidya on my HDD
music, images, movies should be stored on hdds
most vidya benefit from being on ssd (faster loading times), but if you feel like 275gb is big enough for you then there's no reason to get 500gb.

>>62112906
but performance-wise it's basically i5 7400 after oc

>>62112899
Just remove the 1500x. It shouldn't be in the OP at all.

>>62112946
then we'll have people asking "where's 1500x?? fucking shill", "is 1500x good?" "should i go for 1500x or spend more and get 1600?"

>>62112878
vidya goes on the ssd. 275 can get small fast if you have several recent games installed at a time.

>>62112958
No one is going to ask where is the 1500x. Even the AMD folks. No one ever recommends the 1500x. Everytime it is brought up, every reply is buy the 1600 instead.

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>>62112878
>Windows 10 installation of 100 GB in size
what are you doing ? pic related

How likely is an nVidia card refresh this year? I've read rumors that there are upgraded 1060,1070,1080s in the works which will still have GDDR5(x) memory and pascal architecture.

>>62113009
None. Next one is confirmed for Volta.

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>>62112999
can confirm ssd @ 33gb used with stick of truth and a few programs installed as well

>>62113009
thanks to vega being a disappointment there's 0% chance of new nvidia cards this year

>>62112775
>AMD shilling
Someone start a new /pcb/ thread.

>>62113038
>Intel shill
Let's see Intel make a good product with value for money and it'll make the list. Bulldozer was 5 years ago anon

>>62113028
my windows 7 installation is 16gb and it's 3 years old.

>>62113038
buying 7700k is fucking retarded right now. if you really want to get cucked by intel wait for coffin lake.

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>>62112775
Soon™
I'm going to pick up that ROG QHD 144hz FreeSync monitor to go with this build.

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>>62112929
>>62112999
>>62113028
>what the fuck are you doing anon
My old Windows 10 installation was this big after a huge cleaning spree so i will give Windows 10 a big partition on my new SSD
I am aware that after a clean install it won't need 100 GB
It's just a insurance for the future

>>62112960
I don't play that many recent games but you are right
I will still have merely 200 GB of free space for programs and games on the SSD
That's enough for my major games which will be the candidates for having the most benefit of the SSD speed but for games i will buy in the future it's not enough i guess
Indie games and old games will be installed on the HDD though because they already run fast enough

Thanks for your responses. It helped me a lot in deciding.
I will get the Crucial MX300 525 GB

>>62113076
>Vega
Lmao

>>62113112
Stay salty poorfag :^).

>>62112878

I find a 200-256 GB SSD to be the sweet spot for a C: drive. It's big enough that you don't have to concern yourself with space issues while having a reasonable price. This obviously depends on what you do and where you choose to store your apps or games.
I never have more than 2-3 games installed at any given time but there are people with half their steam library on.

>>62113079

Is there a video/backstory to that pic?

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>>62113125
Sure thing bro. You stay poor and buy that poverty space heater.

>>62113130
>c:
Don't use emotes on 4chan.

>>62113137
Someone turned an old heater into a massive AIO.

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>>62113076

Seriously why would you get a Vega?
The Ryzen is a performant, OC-able, non power hungry CPU.
The Vega is fermi levels of bad.

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>>62113139
Amada keeps me warm on cold winter nights. What about you nvidiot?
>1080 Ti
>probably doesn't even have a qhd monitor
Many such cases. Sad!

>>62113146
>:3

>>62113154

That much is obvious. I'd like to see/read about the process/temps.

>>62113167
Lmao you faggots forget that video cards aren't just for gaymen.
>amds cpu and gpu departments are the same

>>62113171
Hey at least I am not fucking retarded and buy loud lawnmowers and putting them in my room.

You don't see morons showing off their i7-7700k and yet AMD tards think it is okay for them to show off their inferior Vega.

Really makes you think.

>>62113189

dissonance is strong with this one

>>62112999
>>62113028
Jesus Christ has windows really become so bad that it takes this much space to install? You can install almost any other OS on less than 1 GB. Even Vista was only like 5 GB, and that was bloated as fuck.

>>62113193
>doesn't deny he bottlenecks his card with a shitty monitor
wew, this just proves that nvidiots are poorfags

Are video card prices ever coming back down? Fuck crypto.

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>>62113218
Oh come on. I am not posting cause I didn't want to BTFO you out again. But seeing as you are a pathetic scum, enjoy crying about your lawnmower and inferior hardware. Sad.

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>>62113237

Not that guy, but how can you talk trash when you think this is an acceptable look for a monitor?

>>62113225
yes, they will come down.

>>62113250
Why not? It was between that or the PG279Q. This one is slightly cheaper and has better QC.

>>62113250
>le gaymer monitor
Sad! No taste.

>>62113237
>acer
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>62113265
>Buys inferior hardware
>Calls people poor when they are not
This is good evidence that AMDfags are mentally retarded.
Everytime someone says /pcbg/ isn't AMD shill zone I am going to point to you the retard who bought a Vega.

>>62113273
>No BLB issue
>No dead pixel
>G-sync, 165hz, 1440p
>Cheaper than other alternative
I am not sure what are you laughing at here.

>>62113282
every single speccy with a 1080 Ti has 1080p monitors

>>62113282
I'm not the dude who bought Vega, faggot. That was retarded. But anyone who buys a shitty looking monitor when there's equivalent specs & price available is fucking retarded

Also, >acer

kill yourself

>>62113250
I don't but there's not much choice for 1440p 144hz IPS panels.

>>62113289
>1440p
>24 inches

>>62113295
Hurrr durrrr.
>Muh superior monitor

>>62113294
Sure. That is why my monitor is a 1080p right?

AMDshills so funny when they get booty blasted. Better shit on someone's monitor because I can't shit on his superior GPU. Sad.

>>62113311
But it is 27"? Are AMDshills that stupid?

>>62113300

It's not IPS but Dell's S2716DG seems to be a decent alternative. And it's infinitely more pleasing aesthetically.

>>62113318
You could've bought a much better looking and bigger Dell or ASUS monitor for the same price. You have shit taste.
>muh extra 20 hz makes such a difference

>>62113076
everyone is bashing the vega , just undervolt it and you will be fine , heck you even get better performance out of it

>>62113337
Hurrr durrr. I did my research unlike the morons that buy Vega. I looked over reviews for the PG279Q (Asus), S2716DG (Dell) and XB271HU (Acer) and i came to the conclusion that the acer was the best buy.

But I know what this is. This is a case of shitting on the guy who buys the "bad" monitor because he is right.

How many post has there been telling me I bought a debatably "bad" monitor?

How many post has there been telling that anon he is an idiot for buying a vega?

AMDshill zone.

>>62113362
It's literally just salty cucks who couldn't get it on launch day.

>>62113300

Erm
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16824236660

>>62113374
Acer has always been trash, everyone knows this.

>>62113388
This. They make shitty products. Vega is fine undervolted, but anyone who buys it and doesn't do that is retarded.

>>62113385
>>62113374
>>62113333

There's also the Dell S2417DG.
TN and 24 inch but cheap and able to go 165hz with a much more robust construction and quality control.

>>62113388
>>62113401
>Acer is bad
>Vega is fine
HAHAHAHAHA
/pcbg/ is really AMD

>>62113385
I'm yurop and in my country that Asus monitor is 350 euros more expensive so there's no contest which is better buy.

>>62113410
I wanted 27". IPS. And Gsync.
I am not poor. Unlike the faggots who have to buy Vega. Lmao

STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD
STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD
STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD
STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD

>>62113416

see >>62113410 then

https://www.amazon.de/Dell-S2417DG-Monitor-Zoll-schwarz/dp/B01KZIOSSQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503841844&sr=8-1&keywords=Dell+S2417DG

>>62113413
>defending intel after i9 and x299
>willingly buying acer
Nvidia does make good cards. Their drivers have telemetry tho. I bought amd because muh open sores.
>>62113425
It's a general, so it's automatically shit.

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>>62113422
>Vega
>poorfags

I don't like the look of their monitors either but what's wrong with buying Acer?
My first CRT was an Acer and it was fucking flawless.

>>62113447
like it or not, XB271HU is a good monitor. ViewSonic is still better.

now please just go play video games or something, unless you spend 2.5k $ to shitpost on /g/

>>62113470
>shilling for acer
>shilling for a literally who company
hope you enjoy your dead pixels in a year

>>62113457
Their modern monitors are poorly designed and overpriced compared to the competition. Acer monitors are prone to having dead pixels.

Speaking of 144hz 1440p GSync monitors. What's the best price/performance card to run one if I don't really care about high details in game and am OK to run anything that's non-competitive under 144 fps as long as it's above 60?

>>62113537
1080

>one faggot posts a video card and the entire thread goes to shit
you fags are worse than /v/irgins and their console war faggotry

>>62113076
Nice. R5 1600 I'm assuming? What case is this and what RAM will you be using?

>>62113685
It's the 1600, yes. The case is the Meshify C and I plan to get the G. Skill Flare X.

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wtf sapphire?
what the flying shit?
56%?
you've got to be kidding me!
and they let this shit pass qc?
should have bought a gtx 1050.

>>62113738
>Meshify C
Really nice. That should make for a great PC.

>>62113778
Thanks

>>62113738
Great choice on the case, it has Fractal Design's great cable management & better airflow than some of their other cases. Only concern is watercooling, there's not a lot of room between a radiator and a well sized GPU.

>>62113796
Good thing I'm not buying into the AIO meme.

>>62113454
Oh so Vega buyers are just stupid.
That makes it better.

>>62113076
>Vega
Wow aren't you a fucking retard

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.11 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.95 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($80.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($139.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB OC BLACK Video Card ($724.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1357.80

How much of a retard am i?

>>62113894
That motherboard doesn't allow overclocking.
You could stand to get some faster ram.
I'm assuming you're going i5 over Ryzen because you want the absolute best gaming performance? Maybe you could wait for the 8700k then.

>>62113894
Full retard.
>i7-7700k
>B250M

>>62113894
hey
your retarded

>>62113921
>That motherboard doesn't allow overclocking.

But Intel has told people not to overclock :^)

>>62113922
Explain, as far as i can tell they should be compatible, granted its been 8 years since i build a pc.

>>62113921
Faster RAM? From what i could gather the difference between 2400mhz and 3200mhz was almost negligble in all aspects.

>>62113940
enlighten me.

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>>62112917
>overclock the snot out of it
4ghz wooo
Just about anything is fine for 60hz and everything is worse than the 7700k for 144hz. i3 is fine.
>>62113112
>>62113139
>>62113167
Gsync is a massive rip off and adaptive sync is invaluable on a high refresh monitor. It's buy a $400 freesync 1440p 144hz or a $700 gsync one. Vega is fine. Shame it's locked the fuck down like pascal but at least you can get around it.
>>62113250
>>62113265
>>62113295
>>62113333
You people leave your monitors on the stock stands? You do know that vastly superior mounts are dirt fucking cheap right?

I feel bad for anyone that comes to this thread actually looking for help. Gonna end up with a steaming pile of shit putting up 30 less fps than it could cus muh shitpostan

>>62113963
>Explain, as far as i can tell they should be compatible, granted its been 8 years since i build a pc.
You bought an unlocked processor and an expensive cooler, so clearly you plan on overclocking, but that motherboard doesn't allow overclocking.

>>62113980
>motherboard doesnt allow overclocking
whew, since when did this become a fucking thing.

Thanks for the heads up, any recommendations on mobo then?

>>62113894

I'd wait for Coffee Lake.

>>62113963
Like >>62113921 said, I'm assuming your buying a 7700k for maximum gaming performance, but I really would suggest switching to a 1700. The 7700k right now, is the top dog for gaming but the 1700 is damn good for gaming & it's futureproof with it's extra cores/threads, unlike the 7700k. If you decide to go with the 7700k anyway, the b250 socket does not allow for overclocking. They are compatible, but you can't overclock. If you don't plan to overclock, get a locked CPU. The K in 7700K means it's unlocked, so you can overclock it. If you want to overclock the 7700k, get a z270 mobo.

>>62113964
>Vega is fine
Saying Vega is fine is like saying i5 is fine.
It isn't.
It is more expensive
Slower.
Hotter.
Louder.
Higher TDP.

Only morons buy Vega.

>>62114004
Freesync.

>>62113992
Something with the Z270 chipset. But really, I'd wait for the 8700k, because that will need a new chipset.

>>62112775
2 questions:

1: I currently have a FX-6350 "bulldozer" CPU, radeon 7870, and 16 GB ram. Would the CPU bottleneck me if I upgrade to a Vega 56 when they drop tomorrow? Or would I be better off just starting from scratch with a mid tier Ryzen?

2. Is water cooling actually quiet? I have a noctua 120mm strapped on to my fuckhueg scythe cooler, but it's still loud as all fuck. Looking at also adding an all in one system like the corsair hydro.

>>62114019
>Muh freesync
Freesync isn't necessary. It isn't a huge game changer either but if you are a huge poorfag but want to pretend to be fancy yeah buy a Vega and get Freesync.

>>62114046
k good talk

>>62114044
Watercooling is one huge meme, stick with aircooling. I'd suggest getting a 1600, because the 6350 will probably bottleneck the 56. If you get a 1600, and you want to overclock, the stock coolers on Zen are actually fucking amazing. You can probably get to 3.5 on a 1600 w/ the stock cooler.

What the fuck do you call those metal clips that keep your CPU fans attached to the radiator towers? I accidentally snapped one of them on my Noctua cooler and need to order new ones, but I have no idea what they're called.

>>62114082
Mounting brackets.

>>62114022
Any ETA on the 8700k? My current PC is starting to tilt.

Currently running
i7 950 @ 3.6ghz
Gtx670
12gb DDR3 @2200mhz

And shit is starting to feel real bad, its been trucking along for gods knows how long now.

>>62113995
>implying coffee lake will be better than kabylake

>>62114144
Ryzen is fine

>>62114163

The i3 8350k is already rumored to have 4 cored be on par with 7700k Baby Lake.

>>62114164
I cant do AMD

>>62114068
So if i stick with the 6350 is there any point in upgrading the card at all? Like would an R9 even be worth it, or am I seriously bottlenecked?

>>62114184
Why?

Is it time to go 4k yet? Is 32 inch the comfiest size?

>>62114198
Personal preference, just always had shit experiences with them in the past.

>>62114184
Oy vey
>>62114214
Like what? Ryzen and RX is good.

>>62114175
>more cores is fine when intel does it

>>62114228
>Like what?
Couldn't get the system to post on my first build. Really shook me.

>>62114228
>Ryzen and RX is good.
Yeah no. Fuck off. Ryzen is good. RX Vega isn't.

>>62114214
Ryzen is worth the money 100%.

>>62114208
I'd say it's time to go 4K for TVs, not yet for monitors.

>>62114175
The i3 won't have HT so it may be as fast in clock speed, but it will be artificially limited.

>>62114214
The experiences are flipped these days
>but my old AMD chip was really power hungry and hot
AMD's new Ryzen 7 1700 8 core CPU delivers i7-like performance but just a 65W TDP, which is slightly more than a Hyper-threaded dual core Intel Pentium.
AMD is the king of efficiency nowadays
>but gaming
The difference in gaming FOS is generally about 10 FPS. You'll never notice it. And it has WAY less stuttering since the CPU is nowhere near full utilization.

>>62114267

HT matters little for games and it'll be 4Ghz stock and unlocked so I don't know wtf you're talking about.

my tv is improvising as a monitor until i can afford a 1440p monitor
what should i do with it once i buy one? it's 1080p 60hz and inferior in every way. i dont want to sell it because it was a gift

>>62114253
>RX Vega isn't.
No one's talking about Vega. He means RX Polaris.

>>62114277
>AMD is the king of efficiency nowadays

Reminder that Intel 10 core consumes more power than AMD 16 core.

REMINDER THAT INTEL 18 CORE EATS WHOOPING
ONE
THOUSAND
WATTS
AT 4.5GHZ OVERCLOCK

>>62114290
RX Polaris is good but you will never get a decently priced Polaris at the moment.

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>>62114306

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>>62112775
Good? I'm ordering today. Tired of waiting. I know of the 8700k, thanks.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JyCrkT
Goal is clearly 1440p 144hz. I know one of my most played games scales heavily with memory so that's important. Seems 3733 cl17 is where it's at.

>>62114359
holy shit that case

>>62114359
Get ryzen if you don't want your mobo to be obsolete within a year.

>>62114359

People like you shouldn't have this kind of money to throw around.

>>62114359
Get an AMD Ryzen CPU instead

>>62114359

Wouldn't you be better off with an nvme ssd?
Case is more personal preference I guess

>>62114400
>>62114423
have fun getting 3733mhz ram work on ryzen

Does anyone know when the 8700K is out? I want to do a new build from a 2500K. I have this OC'd at 4.5 but it fucking tanks in modern games these days and if it doesn't it's often stuttering. I'm not in denial like others who say this CPU can still handle every game at butter smooth 60 fps, because it can't.

>>62114423
>>62114400
I thought about it but the only demanding thing I do is play video games(I just listen to music and web browse way more than vidya)
Seems like the 7700k is strictly superior for 144hz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRLSotvcpA
>>62114442
Case has good air flow and it goes under my desk anyway. I thought nvme wasnt significantly better for boot and game loads and only is good for like 4k video editing and shit?

>>62114250
That's entirely your fault, not AMDs.

>>62114444
downclock it to 3200

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>>62114454
everything seems to be pointing at october

>>62114468
Again, do you want your mobo to be obsolete within a year?

>>62114468
Do you have a web browser open while gaming?
What about Discord?
If either is yes, get Ryzen

>>62114476
False. The product should be accessible to tech illiterates out of the box, something Intel has perfected with their brand.

>>62114468
7700k is the best cpu you'll be able to get on z270 mobos. if you're ok with this then just order it.
don't listen to shills, r7 1700 is vastly inferior if you care about high fps gayming.

>>62114501
The 7700k is still faster with discord and a browser open stop trying to meme me.
>>62114494
Doesn't matter. Not giving up 20 fps so I can upgrade my cpu later.
>>62114518
yeah thats the only demanding task. Assuming the benches in the video I linked aren't horribly wrong then ryzen is stupid for 144hz

>>62114454

Full 300-series mobos won't be out till next year. Coffee Lake CPUs will probably launch sooner but do you really want to pair them with an inferior mobo?

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>>62114518

>>62114442
>>62114383
wait is there a case with notably better thermal performance?
I'll be running the 1080ti and the pascal wall/2150mhz and delidding the 7700k and running the voltage high so thermals are important

>>62114542
he doesn't stream.
next

>>62114542
Did you miss the part where this is a benchmark for gaming and streaming to youtube simultaneously on the same CPU?

Yes, if you are gaming and streaming on the same box, ryzen / threadripper is the way to go.

If all you are doing is gaming, you are probably going to get more FPS and a smoother experience on a 7700k or 8700k when it comes out.

>>62114573
No idea, I was just impressed at the size and layout.

>>62114589
oh okay, thank you

ips or va panel for a 34'' screen?

blacklight bleeding seems to be a problem with ips and 34''

>>62114532
>The 7700k is still faster with discord and a browser open stop trying to meme me.
it isn't a meme. It's well proven a Ryzen 1700 is better at multitasking while gaming. Particularly if you're also streaming.
Will the 7700K hit higher FPS?
Yes.
Will it be a better experience?
no. It will stutter a whole lot more with constant frame drops making the game feel choppy.

>>62114607
The reason I bought my IPS in store was because they allowed me to open it up to check. Cost me about 70 more dollars than buying online but saved me the headache of RMA if dead pixels or BLB.

Anyway if you are doing production get IPS. IPS color presentation > VA.

>>62114535
Hmm, no I do not want a shit mobo.

I really wish intel would let coffee on the 200 series. There's no way I'm going to invest in the 200 platform now and I can't wait till next year. Looks like I might have to go with Ryzen. I just found Ryzen's performance with games underwhelming.

>>62114509
If you're tech illiterate you.should pay someone else to build it for you.

>>62114581
> It's well proven a Ryzen 1700 is better at multitasking while gaming.
for the 1000th time, discord and opened browser is NOT multitasking.

>>62114683
meant for >>62114612

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>>62114099
Nah that's what holds the cooler to the motherboard. I'm talking about these clip looking things. Apparently zip ties work too, can anybody vouch for how well that works.

Just want to know what these clips are called.

>>62114683
>>62114695
yeah it doesnt even affect my 2500k at 1080p 144hz, like at all.
Thanks guys I'm going to the atm to deposit the cash now and ordering. So psyched for 1440p@27" and 144hz. Been at 1080p for nearly a decade.

>>62114683
>for the 1000th time, discord and opened browser is NOT multitasking.
yes it is.
Look how much memory just Google Chrome uses.

>>62114683
https://youtu.be/PcbdN7vdCuQ
https://youtu.be/-LMGOq_PbVQ
:^)

>>62114755
No one who uses discord while gaming uses the browser. Do they?

>>62114755
>memory
we're discussing cpu usage you fucking retarded nigger

>>62114612
>It's well proven a Ryzen 1700 is better at multitasking
Discord and a browser isn't going to tank FPS on a 7700K.

>>62114764
>>62114804
well good thing they have a more recent video for the exact use case at hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRLSotvcpA

>>62114787
no, but it will lower it enough so that Ryzen is better.

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>Huge AMD fanboy
>Didn't get 1070 at launch because of Vega
>Literally waited longer than a year after I decided to need a new card
>Vega is total shit and isn't even available

It hurts... Guess I'm getting a 1070 but damn I'm disappointed. I could've been using one this whole time and now I gotta pay extra for it because of miner faggots. This launch really sucked in every way possible, fuck RTG.

>>62114824

1080's are barely more expensive than 1070's right now thanks to the faggots

>>62114764
>intel i7 winning in /every/ game benchmark
glad you agree

>streaming meme (again)
can't amd shills read? if someone's usage is only gayming there is no reason to pick ryzen r7

>>62114818
and intel i7 is still better in every title

>>62114820
No.
Browsers mostly sit in main memory. Videos will be GPU accelerated to allay what minimal load exists.
Discord is a joke of a concern.

Not all multitasking is created equal.

>i7-7700k vs Ryzen
>Plenty of arguments
>Vega post
>Your monitor is SHIT!
/pcbg/ - AMD shills zone

>>62114943
SHOULD I GET 8700K and JUST WAIT TM

>>62114943
The argument against Vega was made, and the guy said he wanted Freesync, so there's nothing more to say.

>>62115047
>Missing the part where the AMDfag continuously called people poor
>You don't even have a good monitor
>Suddenly everyone shitting on acer monitors
>Forgetting that it was a Vegafag stirring shit
Sure

>>62113137
i9 7980xe heatsink (Not included)

>>62114824
Vega 56 undervolted is a better card than the 1070

>>62114943
I said Nvidia makes good cards though, I just don't like them because their drivers have spyware in them.

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>>62114943
>>62114864
>THIS faggot again

>>62115132
>you don't like the government watching you while you jack off, what are you some sort of pedophile

>>62115069
People were called poor because in every speccy thread on /g/ people with mid to high end cards almost always have 1080p or 1440p 60hz monitors instead of getting a monitor that wouldn't bottleneck their card.

>>62115171
Hilarious getting called poor by a Vegafag tho. Clearly can't afford to buy a G-sync monitor.

Will Freesync 2 have an edge over G-Sync? Are nVidia working on G-Sync 2 or can update current G-Sync to offer similar features?
What will FS2 bring anyway? All I could get from their presentation video is that it will do HDR better but not how.

>>62115115
Yeah, shame you can't buy them anytime soon anywhere close to MSRP

>>62115170
>le nothing to hide maymay
people change their behavior when they know they're being watched
>>62115191
Goy-sync is proprietary. Freesync 2 is free as in freedom.

>>62115209
Oh look it is the vega faggot.

>>62115069
to be fair it's not always amd fanboys who stir shit up. i'm the anon who said that XB271HU is a good monitor ( and based on the reviews, it is ), but acer seems to have shit pixel policy where they won't RMA a 1440p monitor with less than 19 dead pixels.

>>62115142
not even the same person. 7700k gets more fps in 144hz and that is a fact. would i buy it myself, especially now? never. but if someone doesn't want to wait and does only 144hz gaming then i don't see how it is a bad pick.

>>62115200
HDR, 4k 144hz ect...

>>62115220
XB271HU has a zero dead pixel policy.
And Acer has better QC than Dell and Asus (according to forum post elsewhere)

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>>62115219
Oh look its the favelanigger.

>>62115200
G-sync is already G-sync 2.
Freesync 2 is to catchup with G-sync 2 and hopefully standardize the implementation of Freesync.

>>62115256
>XB271HU has a zero dead pixel policy.
source? not trying to attack, i was looking for their policy on this specific model and i couldn't find anything.

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>>62115220
>7700k gets more fps in 144hz and that is a fact.
>muh 10 more fps
>126 vs 135 is life changing
neck yourself you shill

>>62115269
>Muh intel
But I have a Ryzen 7? I am just not stupid enough to buy a Vega.
Apparently it is okay to shit on Intel as the inferior product. But okay to buy Vega despite is being the inferior product.
AMDfanboys. Not even once.

>>62115269
uma thermalthrottlecia

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>>62115256

>according to forum post elsewhere

>>62115297
You're retarded if you buy any video card and run it at stock frequencies.

Just get a BenQ you fucking faggots

>>62115290
It was zero dead pixel from the store that i bought it from. They allowed you to test a monitor when you buy it before bringing it home.

>>62115293
>4.9ghz oc gives only 3 more fps over stock
wtf i love locked cpus now

>>62115313
Yeah what is wrong with doing research online before buying? I bought it from a store anyway so I had first hand experience with all 3 models I was looking at.

>>62115293
what about 1440p

http://www.pcgamer.com/aoc-trots-out-freesync-2-and-g-sync-monitors-with-05ms-response-times/
Are AOC monitors any good?

>>62115322
Wrong. You are retarded if you buy Vega. Period.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f8VBKZ
Trying to keep my build around $900, I'll go up to $1k if major improvements are available

>>62115355

Locked CPUs have lower clocks so no. What I would do is buy unlocked leave it at stock and keep that shit under 30C idle with a completely silent cooler.

>>62115398
Do not gimp on your psu or case.
You will regret it.

>>62115398
>That case
No. S340. P400S. R5. Don't get that piece of shit.

>>62115417
That seasonic PSU is fine tho.

>>62115369
I have an aoc ag271QG4 - 1440p 144hz 1ms adaptive sync 27" TN.

It's a nice panel, great for games.

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>>62114818

In every game I enjoy Intel crushes Ryzen. Guess I'll be having myself a coffee by the lake at the start of next year.

>>62115451
He needs a 600 watt psu.

>>62115293
>continues to prove my point
if someone is spending 2.5k on a pc then he might as well get a cpu that gives him 10 more fps. people like that obviously don't care about price/perf.
also i've been recommending ryzen to 90% of people posting their builds on /pcbg/ for months

>https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/qBLrkT
>Spain
>mostly games
>1080@60Hz but will upgrade to 1440@60/144 in the future

This is for a friend, his budget is around 1500€, including a 21" monitor there (I told him to get one that size and then the next summer to get a 27"1440 monitor because of almost same PPI).

Should I tell him to wait for Coffee Lake? If it's just for gaming, an i5-8600K would do it better, thought maybe having to get an expensive motherboard and the CPU which will have high prices is not worth it at all. Also, I bought 16GB or RAM one and a half year ago for literally the half, I thought this RAM he'll would end by now already.

>>62115465
No he doesn't. 1060 6GB and R5 1600? Isn't going to draw more than 300 Ws.

>>62115417

Case, PSU, monitor should all be a long term investment where you buy the best that you can afford.

>>62115494
The case is an arguable point.
You could easily view it as a box that just holds what actually matters.

>>62115462
>In every game I enjoy Intel crushes Ryzen
>he plays ape noises the game
>he plays airsoft agent simulator 3
>he plays brendon greenes narcissistic/bipolar meltdown
>he plays ubishit games
im so sorry your taste in vidya is shit

>>62115490
https://youtu.be/sMFAuP_4elo

>>62115527

I mostly meant Dota2 and CS GO which although not pictured there is pretty much the same story.

>>62115527
you forgot
>every comp multiplayer game ever
i.e games that you spend the most time playing.

>>62115544

Forgot OW

>>62115544
>being an esports faggot
yiu don't need more than a i3

>>62115470
honestly go for vega 56 instead and undervolt, you live in a country where AMD pricing hasn't been effected by the faggot miners

>>62115535
Yeah. 300W * 1.5 is 450W. A 520W PSU will do fine. Sure if he moves up to 1070 or up then i recommend 600Ws.

>>62115365
That would depend on the gpu. At higher resolutions you'll get lower frame rates and then cpu becomes less important. At 4k all cpus look identical because gpu is the limiting factor.

>>62115549
i spend 0 hours playing RTS's for retards and Cyka Blat: Global Squats

>>62115465
Nonsense. You wouldn't even need the PSU calculator at the top to know that isn't true. Even what he has gives him very reasonable headroom.

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8700k-and-i5-8400k-sisoft-sandra-benchmarks/
>we are seeing an almost flat 50% scaling across the board over the last gen 7700K

AMD btfo?

>>62115576

You do for 1440p/144hz+
Also in a game like CS GO there's always a benefit in going as high as you can even if you get diminishing returns

>>62115598
>every game where intel performs better is bad
amd users, everyone

>>62115602

I would take what that pajeet website claims with a grain of salt. And this coming from a guy that's actually looking forward to coffee lake.

>>62115602
Stop posting these dumb leaks.
We don't know one way or another until we have them in our hands.
Whenever it gets released, there's something to discuss.

>>62115626
Yes, eSports are shallow garbage.

I want to buy this monitor: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jmGj4D/aoc-monitor-e2727she

And I want to put it on a monitor arm. Can anyone suggest me a good compatible arm? Thank you!

>>62115657
>1080p
>27"
>no ips
come on anon

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card
Total: $721

It's been awhile since I've built a PC. I just want good, solid performance. My current monitor is 1920x1080. Overclocking isn't super necessary, but I like having the option.

My current PC is dead and I just need a new, working computer ASAP. Monitor upgrades and all of that will have to come later.

So, am I retarded?

>>62115667
Whoops, your right. It's not IPS, I didn't look.

>>62115602

>In the two core use cases, Arithmetic and Multi Media, we are seeing an almost flat 50% scaling across the board over the last gen 7700K. Cryptographic capability has also received a modest upgrade of 12% as well.

Why don't you quote the entire line.
The claim is that overall performance would be ~33% higher with the KEY word being "claim" as all of this means next to nothing yet.

>>62115626
no i literally don't like csgo and mobas, is that a problem juan?

>>62115668
a 580 is in stock at outletpc i believe, its a faster gpu than a 1060 so long as you can get your hands on one

>>62115668
1060 3GB is garbage. 6GB, 580 or bust and go down to 1050ti

>>62115682

Intel knows their crowd. They positioned their CPU to continue to kill in popular games that mostly use 2-4 cores such as CS GO making the Ryzen a highly unlikely choice for anyone who enjoys playing that.

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>8350 crashing at 4.2GHz 1.384V
>Might have to set the voltage to auto which raises it
>tfw stuck at 4GHz to save heat

>>62115668
get asrock pro4 or msi mobo (pc mate, tomahawk)
faster ram, 3000mhz or more, from mobo's QVL if you can

>>62115704
>>62115707
fuck off, rx 580 are still overpriced as fuck.

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>>62115602

>mfw thanks to ryzen coffee lake will be the greatest cpu launch in years

>>62115751
http://www.outletpc.com/ew3897-msi-rx-580-armor-4g-oc.html?utm_source=ew3897-msi-rx-580-armor-4g-oc&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=pcpartpicker&utm_content=MSI%2B-%2BzOOS
how about you try to hide that powerlevel next time favelanigger

>>62115751
Yeah. If you can't get a 580 at a decent price. Then buy a 6GB. If you can't afford that drop to 1050ti. 3GB is a waste of money.

Usually an intel guy myself here but this time I'm wanting to use Ryzen 3 for a small gaming/htpc box in the living room/bedroom. Any decent Mini-Itx boards out there for it with integrated wireless? Wired isn't really an option for me.

>>62115770
don't get hyped. look how skylake-x turned out, coffee lake might be a housefire and have worse single core perf

>>62115790

coffee lake i3 will be on par with kaby lake i7s so I wouldn't touch ryzen just yet

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Who /justwait™/ for winter?

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What's the cheapest place to buy a 1070 right now? Amazon?

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>>62115770
then you woke up to your house on fire

>>62115813
Oy geyvalt, just wait for another 3 months goy!

>>62115815
Zen 2 is releasing in winter?

Anyone know when coffee lake is coming out?

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Thoughts on this? Meant to be made for making my dumb tv smart, so streaming amazon, youtube, playing bluray and such. I'd really like to spend less on the case but this one was the best match I found.

>>62115803

skylake-x used a completely different way to get to 6 cores
basically gimping it for games and making it worse than the 7700k in some cases
by all accounts the 8700k will be the shit in comparison

protip: don't install the creators update, it's shit

shit removed all fonts and text, had to reset windows and all my shit

>>62115822
nowhere because of miners

might as well get a vega 56 before the miners buy that one up to when it launches soon

>>62115837

It's more like 5 or 6 but unlike with AMD it'll be "worth the wait" TM

>>62115845
>by all accounts the 8700k will be the shit in comparison
>by all accounts the 8700k will be shit in comparison
ftfy

>>62115842
That was a joke about hot components.
Coffee lake won't be until the end of the year or 2018.

Is this arm: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B21TLQU

Compatible with this monitor: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wdLypg/asus-monitor-pb238q ?

Thank you!

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>>62115859
do you ever stop shilling?

>>62115861

It uses a different way to tie the 6 cores together. Look it up as I'm too lazy to spoon feed you.

>>62115869
ah shit. ok thanks

>>62115782
>4gb vram version
lmao

>>62115882

I'm genuinely excited for Coffee Lake.
Still rocking a Core Duo E8500 that I got 8-9 years ago.

>>62115876
Yes but that monitor is overpriced shit

>>62115914
Thanks, any suggestions w/ similar specs?

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>>62115883
>i-its not b-bing bus i p-promise

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>>62115815
>tfw dissappointed because this doesn't even make much heat.

>>62115902
so? 4gb is enough for 1080p and 1440p

>>62115934
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VdM323/hp-omen-320-75hz-monitor-w9s97aaaba

its a little bit more but it is 75hz and 1440p, unfortunately it has no vesa mounting

>amd has more cores
>WOOOOOW BULLDOZER V 2.0 AMD ON SUICIDE WATCH
>intel has more cores
>RYZEN BTFO, THANK YOU BASE INTEL
really activates those almonds

>>62115982
Oh, well vesa is required. I'll search for a cheaper one though, thank you!

>>62115985
because intel has better single core perf

>>62115520
That's exactly what im looking for. If I need to I'll build one out of wood and loctite. I don't care about aesthetics or whatever

>>62115985
Its just juan the favelanigger intel shill shitting up the thread, the best you can do is just ignore it.

>>62115579
>GPUs unaffected
No. There are no 580 in stock, and the ones are up in price, same with the 570. The 1060/70/80/ti line has been always in stick, but since the beginning they have been expensive (I bought myself half a year ago a 1060 6GB before the 580 even existed for 324€).

My friend will be playing at 1440 in a near future, so he will need power.

Is buying a 1080ti 2nd hand a bad idea?

>>62116003
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YZn2FT/benq-monitor-gw2765ht
here

>>62116022
Is buying a used condom a bad idea?

>>62115985
guys If I also want to play emulators/older titles should I really Just wait™ for coffee lake or hope Zen 2/3 catches up in single thread performance?

>>62116009
I said vega 56 you stupid nigger, not 580, its coming out soon and will be in stock for the first day if you watch the launch

>>62116022
sorta sketchy especially if you are buying it from craigslist.

I think you might want to invest in a new one for such a highly priced item

>>62116035

I bought used in the past and it served me well. I guess it's down to luck but if they didn't OC it or otherwise tamper with it what's wrong with getting something slightly used for 25% cheaper?

>>62116061
No warranty. No guarantee you're not buying from a miner.

>>62116037
>emulators/older titles
Just get a ryzen 5 1600, intel being significantly better in those is just a meme

>>62114144
More reasonable upgrade would be to get that CPU to 4+Ghz or even get the 6core X58 CPUs, either xeons or the unlocked chips, if you can overclock them to 4Ghz you're hitting Ryzen terriotory for 20-40 bucks depending on where you live.

>>62116057
You said GPUs weren't affected by miners, and I proved you were wrong.
Is the 56 the same as the 1070 and Lower in price?

Here is my final build. My parts are set to arrive this week. How did I do? I know I should have got a R5 1600 and a 1060 6gb but the the 1060 6gb alone is over $400 here in Canada. I don't mind upgrading down the road. I just hope to have a decent gaming experiene until then even though I only have a 1050

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/jys8VY

>>62116186
I SAID VEGA 56 ON LAUNCH WOULDN'T BE YOU DENSE FUCKING SUBHUMAN NIGGER

low iq nigger monkey

>>62116205
>paying for windows

>>62116205
id honestly bight the bullet on a 1060 or 580, the 1050ti isnt that good

memory express has a 580 in stock for a decent price right now

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/q8cMnQ/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-4gb-gaming-4g-video-card-gv-rx580gaming-4gd

>>62116233
And again, if you say the GPUs hasn't been affected by miners, it doesn't affect only one specific card. Also, RX 56 can't be affected by miners if no place here is able to take pre-orders.

Learn to type next time you try to look superior in front of your mother, my friend.

>>62116269
That is a good price but it's completely out of stock and my parts are already ordered.

I'm hoping to pick up a 1060 on sale a few months from now. I don't plan on playing the most recent games on ultra. the most modern game I'm going to play is Siege and from what I can tell it runs fine on a 1050

1) Is there a noticeable difference in smoothness between 60 Hz and 80 Hz?
2) If I always keep my monitor at 144 Hz but framerate often drops to 100 fps without ever going below the 80 fps threshold, should I switch the refresh rate of my monitor to 80 Hz instead? Would this improve the gameplay and reduce the fs lag peaks?

>>62116392
I can tell a slight difference between 60hz and 75 hz.

>>62116261
>being negligent about malware
Retard

So I went and installed the stock cooler on my Ryzen 1700 because I forgot I should've put my Noctua NH-D15 on it instead

Should I just stick with the stock cooler for now?

>>62116322
Learn to comprehend english shitskin

>>62116205
I would have bought a single stick of 8GB RAM and added a second later, but if you think you'll never need more than 16 it's fine.
Also, would add an SSD pricing permitting. Even a 120 GB for boot.

>>62116418
no put the noctua on

>>62116418
if you bought it... why not put it on?

>>62116473
I'm new to building pcs and scared to fuck anything up lol

>>62116489
it will be fine anon. If you are really scared watch some videos to prepare

>>62116445
I thought 2x4gb was better than 1x8gb? Anyway, I can always add more later on but 8b should be fine for now.

NEW THREAD

move when needed
>>62116527
>>62116527
>>62116527

>>62116521
Having 2x DIMMs allows for dual-channel, a feature that allows for little to no performance increase across mainstream applications. The benefits are realized only in very specific tasks, and elsewhere are negligible.

>go on craigslist looking for gpus
>literally everyone is selling theirs for current brand new online prices

i hope these retarded fucks kill themselves

whos gonna pay brand new price for a used gpu that probably was ran at 100c every day for 24 hours

>>62116550
We're on page 3, no need to rush

>>62116623
Its preemptive to make sure the Brazilian doesn't ruin it

>>62115365
AMD is prob better for that

>>62116443
Keep telling that to yourself.

Have a 450w PSU. Want to upgrade from a R5 1500x to a 1600x and keep it cooked at 4ghz. Using along with a Rx 580. My psu runs my PC just fine with my 1500x OC at 3.8ghz. is a new PSU absolutely needed if I upgraded?

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>>62116752

>Expect housefire
>Get pc that runs at the same max load temp as Q6600 rig
The memes were a lie.

>>62116958
what cpu? and what max temps?

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>>62116988
Oh shit, the pic didn't go.

>>62116941
Living on the edge

>>62117000
why did you get that turd?

>>62117160
>On budget
>Needed something that wouldn't bottleneck my not so special gpu
>Never built a pc before and want to learn
It's nice not having an oem machine for once.

>>62117144
So I'm good then? Or is it too edgy. I imagine it cutting it close.

>>62116954
Why are you even posting an image reaction related to Nvidia?
Do you have any brain damage?