Why are Linux users to hostile to BSD? Even more hostile than

1. Envy. Though in heavy denial publicly, plebs know deep down that OpenBSD is far superior to l00nux.

2. Fear. Plebs scared that when other plebs figure out #1 they'll abandon the PotteringOS shitpond en mass for cleaner healthier waters, leaving the few who remain to die all alone in their sorrow and filth.

>>62110937
The know that OpenBSD has far superior hardware support.

>>62110937
because some people in here are so messed up about their insecurities that it tortures them, and instead of just admitting it and do what they have to do they report their self-hatred on other things, like bsd, the other gpu/cpu manufacturer etc, even though it doesn't deserve that much hate.

>>62110937
I am really intrigued by *BSD but I've heard horror stories about hardware compatibility.

What is package management like? Do you have to emerge and compile your packages like gentoo?

I'm definitely planning on playing around with a VM some rainy afternoon.

Because OpenBSD is a bigger hug box of angry spergs than GNU/Linux ever was.

Because BSD fags are more elitist than we are

>>62111225
You can choose between (or mix) compiling stuff from the ports tree or using a binary package manager called pkg, on freebsd at least
Hardware compatibility is fine if you want to use on a server, otherwise you're better off with linux imo

>>62111225
OpenBSD recommends binary packages but they have a gentoo style ports tree if you really want to.

As long as you don't have Nvidia or need bluetooth (they literally scrapped the whole bluetooth stack for security purposes) you should be fine.

You'll find it's a lot simpler than Linux.

Do BSD kernels have substantial differences between them?

>>62110937
>Why are Linux users to hostile to BSD? Even more hostile than they are to Windows? Why does the mere existence of these OSes make them so angry?
You've just described all of BSD's attitude towards GNU/Linux and the GPL in general.

>>62110937
They aren't. From what I've seen, it's the other way around, BSD users shit on Linux.

>>62110937
>OpenBSD
>claims to be secure
>no mandatory access control
>no namespaces
>no sandboxing methods
>no jails
OpenBSD gives you no way to contain or restrict the execution of untrusted or buggy code.
It's only secure if you don't install anything besides the base system.
I'll just stick to GNU/Linux, since it's actually secure.

>>62112279
>GNU/Linux
>actually secure
nice joke, go patch your kernel so thumbnailer won't pwn you

>>62110937
No drivers.

>>62112153
Why are BSD users so hostile to Linux users? Even more hostile than they are to Windows?

>>62111189
kek

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>>62112836

Pros and Cons of OBSD
Pros
>simple
>customisable
>great documentation
>great security

Cons
>If it isn't a ThinkPad or a server it could have incompatibilities
>Gay men not allowed

>>62113550
>gay man not allowed
That is a pro anon

Because BSD is to Linux what Linux is to WIndows.

bsd is not an operating system nor is it technology. it's just contrarian political bullshit and what you pretend to use when this whole thing was a game to you and linux got too mainstream.

the retarded userbase unironically repeating "lol u dont need dat" in response to all software and drivers made in the past 20 years is a funny gem among others like "all you need is a 386", "I use my computer for real work" (jacking off for 2 decades), "bsd runs sony and apple" like this is a good thing that it was stolen and they won't ever give anything back, and trying to pretend they're in charge of running the internet because they were butt diddling some other retard in the 1980s on usenet about nothing and insist it should have "stayed for document storage". There's even a bunch of bsd shits just playing pretend who haven't used it at all ever and are just repeating bullshit other people who probably haven't ever used BSD said to pretend to look cool.

The other reason is that you keep spouting about how it's superior but the moment you are proven wrong, suddenly it's a hobby and you're a pseudo internet diplomat here to begin peace talks. You say hobby to get the linux users out of the thread so you can wait for more windows newbies to show up and say quantum contrarian bullshit like "bsd is way better oh but it probably isn't for you". You know exactly what you're doing, you need attention bad because you have too much free time because nobody will hire you.

bsd shits don't really do or contribute anything except fracture legitimate open source projects so they can have their 5 minutes of attention.

>>62112017
>no bluetooth stack
oh god I just looked this up, this is so fucking hilarious. lol u dont need dat!!!!! at its best. A hurp a durp, we must chop out everything made we don't understand, because after 10 years in IRC, I'm scared of leaving it!!!!

This is not technology, it's more like neo-luddism. Might get away with it for a few years but as time goes on you'll just label everything as "insecure", when the problem really is you. This is why BSD is a miserable failure because they're stuck in the 70s jacking off thinking they're computer scientists.

>>62113745
Bluetooth is inherently insecure. If you want bluetooth, many linux distros support it and that's fine, but it's not for people who are paranoid-levels invested in their security.

>>62113688
>bsd is not an operating system nor is it technology
B8?

I use OBSD as a main driver. It isn't perfect since it lacks support for software that I need but, that's why I keep a Debian distribution as a secondary. I prefer it to Linux because I like the software better and I like the defaults. I would rather use OBSD and Linux than spend a million years getting Gentoo just right.

You sound really salty. We were talking about BSD as software but then you made it political (with in falsifiable claims I might add). Did you ex-boyfriend use OBSD by any chance?

I think a lot of it is GNU+Linux users tend to see the BSDs as working against the concept of free software because they provide a free OS solution that does not guarantee freedoms. BSDs and GNU+Linux aren't really aligned with each other ideologically. BSDs have permissive licenses which allow use by anyone for any reason while GNU/Linux/free software camp uses licenses that try to prevent their software from being used together with proprietary software.

>>62113550
>great security
lol don't kid yourself

>>62110937
I'll tell you why, it's because it reminds us of just how shitty Linux was ten years ago. The shame it brings often times gets expressed as anger.

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>>62114555
oh ho we have an expert
one example is that OBSD has far better stack protection. Linux is actually quite behind in that department, even worse than Windows

Don't kid yourself buddy.

>>62114555
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

For example it has better stack protection than anything else. Linux is actually quite behind in that area, even worse than Windows.

>>62110937

Penis envy.

>>62114702
>>62114734
that goes out the window as soon as you install a 3d party program
see >>62112279
how is better stack protection going to help me if some malware attempts to copy my ssh keys to a remote server, steal my browser cookies, encrypt or delete my files, attack stuff on my lan, etc

>>62111178
fpbp

Because it isn't GPL.

How does the compatibility layer for linux programs work? Is it fast? Does it support a wide range of software?

comparable to wine?

>>62113823
you have a pretty broad view of what makes something political

>>62115150
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu-advanced.html - see this for the basics on how it works
it's quick enough for me...

>>62112279
Good fucking bait, sir. You tricked several newfags into thinking you were advocating Linux.

>>62110937
bsd is objectively better as a base system but the support for drivers is shit and when you go to forums trying to help you realize its mostly smug macfags

>>62115208
For some reason the 'quick enough for me' makes me think you haven't quite understood how it works, despite linking to the handbook (although that part of the handbook refers to it as emulation, which it isn't - higan is an emulator.

>>62111178
>only works without weeks of tinkering on hardware from 2005
>fear
>envy

>>62113688
holy god why are you so butthurt over this? who is this invested in operating systems? wew

>>62110937
>Why are Linux users to hostile to BSD?
Because BSD users are hostile to us, hostile to FSF, shit on GNU and shit on rms.
>Even more hostile than they are to Windows?
Because Windows users are hostile to us, shit on our system, shit on free software with pure bullshit like le communism.
>Why does the mere existence of these OSes make them so angry?
Why don't you ask this from BSD and Windows users too?

>>62112096
No, but you can make your own custom kernel

>>62115870
'it works quick enough for me' means i don't understand it??
i don't get where you pulled that from

>>62113688
It's like a windows user describing linux.
Wow

>>62114783
>malware
>bsd
wew

>>62115008
Who wants to be held back by some fucking autist and his ideas?

>>62115923
The implication being that it should somehow be slower than Linux on the same hardware, which there's no reason to assume. Basically it's the same kind of syscall translation that LX branded zones use on Solaris - which is interesting, because zones were in turn inspried by FreeBSDs jails. Similarily, Crossbow has also been heavily inspired VNET/VIMAGE.

>>62115943
Please don't give bait posters any (You)s.

>>62115988
i didn't mean to say it was slower or worse off. one issue i did have with it though was pale moon always crashed and made the system hang with coredumps. other than that it was fine...

>>62116020
I've basically given up on the whole browser nonsense - if I find a video I want to watch, I throw it at my mediacenter, and use a console browser with mouse support and inline image displaying for everything else except banking where I've installed www/iridium (which I'm trying to capsicumize, although I'm not having much luck - for now I'm relying on running it in a jail).

The biggest issue with the Linuxulator that I've had is the same issue that plagues the rest of FreeBSD and the other BSDs too; too few people working on it means there's not enough work being done on it. That's alright though, since the only thing I'm currently using it for is net/spideroak for off-site zero-knowledge backup, and that works solidly.

>>62110937
I actually got memed into installing BSD, and it was painful how shitty it was. And yes, my jimmies do get a little rustled when you shitheads won't stop shilling this garbage.

>>62116149
i've been trying to get into DragonFlyBSD these past few days, I've been really liking it so far but some things I prefer FreeBSD over DFly is the Linux binary support and binary system upgrades - building the entire world & kernel on a 1.1ghz dual core Celeron isn't a very nice experience

>>62116224
what reason is there to ever use dragonfly? i really don't understand why there are other bsds besides freebsd desu.

>>62115944
malware is a broad term, it only needs to be some POSIX compliant malicious or just buggy code
basically, anything that hasn't been heavily audited (that's everything except the base system) is potential malware

>>62116420
much better defaults, designed and has more focus on multi-core & 64 bit systems.
also actually has an implimentation of ASLR, unlike FreeBSD but hardenedbsd has had a version that fbsd won't accept
also the glorious HAMMER filesystem for wonderful performance and features, and has a much easier method for encrypting my disks

>>62115965
That's ironic. BSD goes nowhere because you can just take their innovations and write your name on it.

Ask Steve Jobs.

>>62116224
FreeBSD has binary updates, and packaged base is supposedly very close to being finished.

>>62117265
i ment DFly not having binary version upgrades
sorry if i wasnt clear

>>62117265
if freebsd automatically detected hardware like gpus, dual monitors, etc and actually had drivers it would be a pretty good system desu. but it doesn't, so its not. the only practical use i've ever had for freebsd is running my rasp pi music server

>>62117480
is this really a problem if you know what hardware you have and know the command to load modules?

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>>62110937
Because BSD fanboys are idiots who can't tolerate different opinions. You got a toxic community.

>>62117534
>words hurt anon :(

>>62117491
yes because it requires manually going into the xorg files to setup monitors, automounting has to be setup after install (and doesnt always work), and tons of configuration files have to be manually setup that bring back unpleasant memories of linux pre-2010. i wish the dragonfly and pcbsd losers would just go back to the freebsd forums and start making one bsd worth using instead of branching it off over and over again and going nowhere

>>62117534
>Theo de Raadt hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard
please be true

Why would I care about open BSD? I would rather say I'm intrigued by it

>>62117982
if you fancy a system which focuses on code correctness, uses encryption by default, has a strict policy on manual pages & security, go ahead and try it out. note how user-friendly wasn't part of the things it does

FreeBSD is botnet

>>62113823
>It lacks support for software that I need
>But I still keep using it
Gee I wonder why? Maybe you are trying too hard to impress nobody that's looking.
We're getting into the quantum bullshit of BSD now, you see bsd license politics every thread but if I bring it up suddenly it totally wasn't about politics. My other favorite quantum bullshit BSD thing is ports, it's okay for you to recommend ports but if I do it's "lolportsareinsecure"

>>62115900
I didn't make the thread, and OP is looking for a legit answer. Again you are in "peace talk" mode, from the previous quantum state of "bsd is superior cause its shittier but dont use it!!!" because you drove everyone out of IRC and you're lonely now. There's no reason to use BSD when Linux exists as it is unless you get involved in bullshit pseudo politics because you're just trying to be a hipster.

>>62115943
>>62115988
I'm not going to pretend that Linux users weren't like this circa 2003 when they hit a brick wall of something they didn't have. This is a good demonstration because it shows Linux changed and works while BSD sticks to the 70s pretending it is better than everyone else for not having features. There's politics in Linux but you can just go for a non-autism distro then you don't have to deal with a bunch of basement super faggots deciding for you that you don't need bluetooth for example.

>>62113799
So is everything else if you want to be a pedantic little shit about it. This is a shitty attitude to take, you have gone full circle and become a reverse macfag thinking you're intelligent for dropping features. You could make it a module or optional or something and make everyone happy but no, we as the basement conglomerate dictate such. I also like your little smarmy condescending "oh maybe linux is better for you". Just admit you pretend you're better than everyone else and you don't really want anyone to use BSD.

>>62113607
is this bait or do you really not know "gay men" = "gaming"

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>>62117534
>Theo de Raadt hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard

>>62118938
sweet summer

>>62110937
>Why are Linux users to hostile to BSD?
Whom are you talking about? I haven't even seen such Linux users. I myself have been using FreeBSD in the past and would like to go back to using it on my laptop. Unfortunately I haven't gotten the Wifi on it to work with FreeBSD yet.

>>62119889
You can probably just swap out the card with a $10 Centrino card from eBay.

>>62119907
Perhaps, but it just feels wrong and redundant to keep two Wifi MACs in the same computer just because of software.

>>62119889
This one?
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=220229

>>62119940
take out the old card?

>>62119961
No, it's an RTL8191SE (10ec:8172).

>>62119979
It's soldered.

>>62110937
The license isn't free enough for them and they don't like anything else stealing the spotlight from Linux as the free alternative.

>>62119992
darnirino :(

bsd is definitely not dying. they'd been saying that shit online since the late 90's and BSD is still here and relevant.

>>62121059
it needs moar drivers and a desktop-ready version of the freebsd iso image then it would be legit

>>62112279
how about you stop downloading and running every random executable you find on the web you fucking techlet

>>62121584
that wouldn't make OpenBSD secure

>>62110937
bsd is gay
linux is better and bsd is living on bought time

>>62110937
>generalizung all Linux Users into BSD Haters

I don't mind BSD, but your Superiority Complex doesn't really make you Sympathetic

>>62121640
linux and bsd have borrowed several things with each other over the years. you're just some dumbass 12 year old

>>62112279
>firefox doesn't allow me to surf ANY random website
>thunderbird doesn't allow me to click on any random spam link
>they suck

>>62121748
what are you trying to say?

>>62121734
you're probably the dumbass 12 yo since you're eating up that bait

>>62121679
I use Arch Linux and I am your surpreme overlord.
Bend the knee, faggot.

>>62121758
i've already said it before here to your stupid "muh mac" arguments. i'm done.

>>62121849
no real argument, eh?
good

>>62121873
get fucked

>>62121896
that's a nice one
you sure proved me wrong

>>62111189
lmao sure, support for a hammer to smash the computer.

>>62113688
>contrarian political bullshit
bsd existed before linux dumbfuck. how is something that existed decades before everything else contrarian?

>>62110937
They aren't. Most would absolutely love for BSDs to become viable. But BSDtards not only constantly inject themselves where they don't belong while being as noisy and annoying as possible, but also try to convert people like Christians do: by lying and using completely irrelevant promises. Speaking of which, most of them also happen to speak like Christians in other ways: they demand complete belief in their OS even when it is proven that their OS doesn't work for specific reasons, and damn everyone who will not bend the knee to hell.

>>62122280
Because nobody uses it since it sucks balls. Learn what contrarian means.

>>62122828
>projecting about religion this hard
wtf are you even on about? most bsdtads just say "i don't care, fix it yourself if you want it to work" which i agree isn't very proactive but they are hardly "religious" about it. almost all bsd devs are macfags who learn cocoa and do bsd on the side for "fun"

>>62122915
That has never been true on /g/. It's always the same: "it's secure just believe in it" "it doesn't have A B C? NOBODY NEEDS IT!" "you just proved it's greatly needed? Y-you're a troll! OpenBSD is the greatest! Just believe! Security by wishful thinking!"
Hell, it's even happening in this thread right now.

>>62122971
>on /g/
only like 8 people post here. i was referring to the actual bsd community which i highly doubt any of these anons are a part of.

>>62118144
Man, I'm not any of the people you're arguing with in this thread, but lemmie just chime in with my own point of view.

I've been a FreeBSD user since about a year after the project's inception as, at the time, I realized it was about the only way I was going to be able to continue using a Unix system without continuing to pay the rising and exorbitant costs of the workstations (and accompanying operating system) at the time. (I'm looking at you, Sun.)

This isn't to say that I was unaware of Linux, it just wasn't on my radar at the time. My place of employment wasn't using it, and I didn't know anyone else who was experimenting with it in the early days.

All of this blog shit aside, I never migrated to GNU/Linux because I didn't really have any compelling reason to, and I technically still don't. That said, it is BY FAR the more used, developed, and supported system out there save only for the larger proprietary stuff that dominates the market. So I get why people use it over something like a BSD system. It just isn't for me as there currently isn't any incentive for me to migrate, and I can't be the only one. Although I do agree with your accusations of hipsterism and roleplaying, and imagine a large amount of the community, at least here on /g/, are guilty of it.

I use Linux but have nothing against BSDs and get the feeling there is a samefag in here spewing his agenda. I even put DragonflyBSD on one of my laptops but ended up having a lot of issues I wasn't interested in dealing with (i.e., every browser I tried segfaulted repeatedly). Perhaps I would have better luck with a BSD not designed for mainframes/supercomputers.

>>62113745
it's more because OpenBSD is a very security-oriented distro

Oh, its THIS time again.

Every few years all the hipster kiddies suddenly feel like they need to expand their autism, so the BSD shitposting starts.

This is nothing new, I fell for the BSD meme back in 1999 and abandoned my comfy Slackware install for it. Huge mistake.

BSD is the Pabst Blue Ribbon of OS's.

>>62123184
please, do tell us more

>>62119992
de-solder it

>>62122999
But it's ultimately the /g/ part of the BSD community that causes reactions out of /g/. OP isn't very meaningless outside that context.

True men write their own kernel and operating system, maybe take GNU in

>>62123323
real computer pros know how to solder their own CPUs

>>62110937
>Linux users more hostile to BSD than to Windows
Citation needed.

>>62123808
BSD victim mentality. It isn't enough that you have the most niche OS, you also need to be the victim

>>62124259
I rip on Windows literally every day. I'm forced to use it at work and it's consistently bad. BSD is fine. I've administered it in the past and compiled kernels and such. Hardware support isn't great though, in my experience.

I'm not intelligent enough to install open bsd

>>62124474
Yeah I guess most are ok. I can't imagine why any linux user should hate *BSD users. Even the notion is ridiculous, that's what i hate

>>62111225
>I am really intrigued by *BSD but I've heard horror stories about hardware compatibility.
Aren't most Linux drivers ported from BSDs?

>>62124520
I'm currently trying to install it right now, but I am also, retarded.
What is the x system supposed to even do? I run

 rcctl (or whatever it's called) enable xorg 

and I get shit fuck nothing.

>>62112279
>OpenBSD gives you no way to contain or restrict the execution of untrusted or buggy code.
Literally the kings of privilege separation, and the inventors and/or first implementation of most anti-exploitation methods.
>no sandboxes
pledge(), vmm/vmd
>no namespaces, jails
Literally lesser methods implemented by lesser systems.

>>62112279
>I'll just stick to GNU/Linux, since it's actually secure.
Megabytes of code running in privileged mode.
Horrifying kernel security history.
>actually secure
>secure
>linux
kek

>>62124739
>Literally the kings of privilege separation, and the inventors and/or first implementation of most anti-exploitation methods.
Literally all wrong. King of lies, stealing credits and brainwashing for sure though.

>>62116420
>LWKT
>concurrent system servers
>fundamentally better approach to SMP than shitty kernel locks
>already destroys FreeBSD and Linux in network performance (throughput and latency)

>>62117534
>posts unsourced drivel
>openbsd developers supposedly suck
We are supposed to believe this BS?

>>62124708
Refer to the openbsd guide.
>https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html
Inb4 Linux users have a hard time getting around the idea that unlike Linux, BSD manpages and guides are actually good.

>>62124775
>King of lies, stealing credits and brainwashing for sure though.
Strong claims need strong evidence.

>>62124837
>BSD manpages
>good
My fucking sides. GNU infopages are the best thing since sliced bread by comparison and that's saying something.

>>62124881
Have you tried wikipedia or google?
>strong claims
Your brain has definitely been brined, it's just asking for a boil now.

>>62124886
>Have you tried wikipedia or google?
Have you?


No, of course you haven't. Silly anon.

>>62124886
>GNU infopages are the best thing since sliced brea
Picture me puking.

FreeBSD users are really cucks.

>>62125035
no u?

>>62124837
My fellow BSD lad, I keep getting linked that page but my problem does not come any closer to being solved. I have read the manpages, I have read solved tickets in forums, I have made a help thread as well. I just don't get it.

What is supposed to happen when I start X?

>>62125248
Did you miss the rcctl enable xenodm line?
Or are you still trying to rcctl start xorg?
>What is supposed to happen when I start X?
That all of a sudden you're not looking at a text console anymore, but at X. Perhaps. I'm not even sure myself. This thread has left me in despair.

I never really noticed.

>>62123061
This is just another form of the "peace talks" shit and you are still doing the quantum "oh I use BSD for some reason I can't get into right now" non-argument. I don't mean that in the typical "I don't believe your evidence so this isn't an argument" non-argument, I mean you are just trying to end the conversation with nothing posts. Talking to any BSD user in peace talk mode is like trying to talk to a salesman who you both know is paid commission only so he has to lie his ass off, but at least with him you understand why he's doing it. What do you have to gain here?

>>62123119
"it's more because openbsd is a very bullshit-bettar-than-u oriented distro"
Let's try this with linux. I'm going to fork Ubuntu and call it Fuckutu and not have bluetooth. Also I'm better than you because I also declare that it shouldn't have network capability of any kind. Oh no nobody's using it! Why are windows users so hostile to linux users? Keep spouting your non-reasons, this is why nobody uses BSD. Again problem we're having here is get enough retards like this in a little circlejerk IRC and they unironically think this is okay.

>>62124837
>>62124886
We don't need to read autistic losershit manpages since 2000. You guys realize you're maybe half a step above "kids" with their tilingWMs.

>>62125248
>>62125294
problem is you attempted to use bsd on anything made after 1995. this is essentially their way of keeping you out of the club. Dude don't you get it, even if you manage to install this shit, they will have other ways to ban you from IRC, for example you won't know their 20 year old circlejerk jokes. You cannot win here because doing this means you aren't winning, you certainly aren't going to "fit in" with them.

>>62110937
They have this mindset that since Linux can be ran on anything it and only it should be.

>>62113688
I thought that most of the redditors had left by this point

I didn't even bother to read this.

We don't need an essay about how something that isn't the thing that it is murdered your family

>>62125311
did we hurt your feelings?

>>62125415
>>62125420
BSD losers insist they're esoteric egalitarian internet showmanship argument machines but going up against simple facts like there is no software and hasn't been for two decades is too much and now you resort to namecalling.

You made the thread, don't like the answer please do fuck off back to your IRC hugbox. Linux won 15 years ago, it's quite obvious you're here only because you think this pseudo online internet movement makes you a special snowflake. Bit of advice - when trying to separate yourself from "the crowd" and why you're better than everyone else and all you can come up with is "really obscure opinions that nobody else has", you know you are fucked hard in the ass.

>>62125609
http://pkgsrc.se/
http://openports.se/
https://github.com/DragonFlyBSD/DPorts/commits/master
>literally no software!!11

>>62125760
Wow, even Debian doesn't have that many.

>>62112279
i bet you don't run linux, faggot

>>62125760
you forgot about freshports.net

freebsd no doubt has the most ports has it has the oldest ports system of them all

if bsd had a wiki similar to arch wiki it would immediately skyrocket in popularity

>>62126208
what is the freebsd handbook, openbsd FAQ and man pages

>>62126220
ya those are dogshit compared to arch wiki

>>62126226
please point out exactly how it's dogshit compared to information that seems to change by the minute

>>62126235
because everything is surface level with no depth at all

>>62126298
but the arch install guide pretty much just tells you to put shit into the terminal without explaining it to you constantly

>>62126303
um what? pretty much every install step links you to another page with tons more detail

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>>62110937
>Why are Linux users to hostile to BSD?
>Why are GNU users so hostile?
Fixed.

>>62117480
>>62121289

>drivers
This argument is nonsense - Unix proved that software is more important than hardware back in the 70s, and that's still the case now; it's up to you to pick hardware that your software can run on.
As for auto-detection, that's a nice feature, but it's not really important unless you're dealing with people who can't figure out how to configure a computer - and those people are not who FreeBSD is targeting.

>>62117610
I'm sorry, how often do you configure FreeBSD? Because I think you may be doing it wrong if you have to configure it so often that it's gotten annoying to you.
I installed FreeBSD in 2001 and aside from moving from UFS to root on ZFS in 2009 by using a gzero device to temporarily function as part of the mirror so I could replace it with my system disk once everything was moved over, I haven't had to do any major system maintenance.

>>62118144
>I'm not going to pretend that Linux users weren't like this circa 2003
I think you're making the mistake of assuming that FreeBSD can't fix the problems that you're having with it.
The real problem is that FreeBSD doesn't have enough people to fix every little user-issue, and that you can't order volunteers to work on small things when there are bigger and more interesting things to work on.

>>62124739
>pledge(), vmm/vmd
Pledge is an inferior version of capsicum that's made to sandbox things in OpenBSDs base, not be added to programs in ports. vmm is literally a rip-off of bhyve.
>Literally lesser methods implemented by lesser systems
Jails are the original container meant for confining root - and despite phk not shouting it from the rooftops like OpenBSD claims to only have had "a few" exploits in the base install - it's only had a handful of ways to jailbreak, and most of them haven't been with the jail implementation itself.

>>62126460
Amen, brother.

>>62117480
>>62127633
at least openbsd automatically detects hardware

i don't think i ever had to use the kernel config tool

>>62127651
Why would you use a kernel config tool? Put whatever you need in either loader.conf or rc.conf and you're set.

>>62127693
i'm not sure how it actually works, but i think the config tool modifies the kernel's binary
http://man.openbsd.org/config

>>62126460
>Why are GNU users so hostile?
>Why are grep users so hostile.
Fixed.

>>62127708
But surely that breaks binary updates?
I'd rather just stick to GENERIC and load stuff with loader.conf or rc.conf.

>>62127733
it wouldn't break them, but you'd probably have to change the settings again (there's probably a way to automate it)

and again, i never, EVER had to use it

openbsd doesn't even have a loader.conf and i believe rc.conf is meant to configure the init in both freebsd and openbsd

>>62125311
>This is just another form of the "peace talks" shit
What?

>"oh I use BSD for some reason I can't get into right now" non-argument.
I wasn't presenting an argument, and I'm pretty sure I clearly explained my personal reasons for using BSD in my post.

>I mean you are just trying to end the conversation with nothing posts.
End the conversation? You replied to my first post. Again, I thought I made that clear in said post.

>like trying to talk to a salesman who you both know is paid commission only so he has to lie his ass off
Again, what? I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. This doesn't make any sense. If you're trying to suggest that I'm somehow "pitching" BSD to people, that couldn't be further from the case. Use what you like.

>What do you have to gain here?
Nothing, really. I was just trying to illustrate that people outside your preconceived notions about the average BSD user exist, and at least a few of us are fairly regular posters here.

>>62127778
stop replying to this fucking sperg already

>>62127784
I wouldn't have, but so much of his reply to me makes absolutely no sense in context. Unless I'm missing something?

>>62127796
yes, you are missing the fact that he LIVES to post autistic screeds in BSD threads on every imageboard

>>62127750
rc.conf configures rc (i feel dumber just typing that, it's so obvious), init is solely for the purpose of device initialization after the kernel is loaded (which itself takes a under a second on a modern system, it's ~90MB and just needs to get loaded from disk to memory).

>>62127802
Is it BePawsome or KDE Shill?

>>62110937
I don't care about BSD but I'm somewhat hostile towards OpenBSD users, mostly because they're smug and self-righteous while having to reason to be. OpenBSD is objectively less useful OS than Linux-based OSes, it lacks functionality, performance, hardware support. Its claims to be the most secure OS out there is unprovable and can be explained by the lack of interest to the OS nobody uses in production, its dev team is small and even notorious for being impossible to work with even more so than Linus himself. You can't use OpenBSD on the desktop because it lacks hardware support, like HW video decoding, and you can't use it in production because it lacks software, commercial support and stuff like Docker, ZFS and DPDK.

Basically, it's a niche hobby OS stuck in the 90s for 45+yo "Unix Veterans", yet for some reason, every 15yo who managed to install it feels entitled to go to /g/ and be smug about it.

>>62127819
>Is it BePawsome or KDE Shill?
Always assuming they're not the same shitposter, of course - quite a tall assumption.

>>62127819
does the kernel not initialize the devices? i know rc.d on openbsd does pretty much nothing but set up a few terminals and runs a few commands to bring up the network

>Is it BePawsome or KDE Shill?
there's at least 2-4 of them

i know at least one is genuinely offended by the openbsd team, i guess he was thrown off the mailing list at some point

>>62110937
No one is hostile to openbsd except other *bsd users.

>>62114008
/thread
everyone else can f*cking die

(You)fest up in this bitch

>>62125294
Yeah, that's what I thought it was supposed to do, but it don't. I used any combination of starting Xendom and X manually, but I'm still at that 650x400 console.
>>62125341
I don't really want to get involved with their cliche, I'm just looking to try out OpenBSD because security is top notch.

What's BSD?

>>62130593
bondage, submission and being dominated by apple

>>62125341
if you don't manage to install openbsd you should be banned from the internet

you can literally get through it by mashing enter

>mfw this antiBSD fag thinks he's gobbels
>can't even code or make a legit argument
>posts "muh ports insecure" meme every couple weeks in same thread.

>>62130753
here's your argument >>62112279
either prove me wrong or explain how's it not legit

>>62130753
watch how he'll probably call you delusional or tell you that you're in denial in a few hours

>>62130782
>replying to yourself

>>62130698
I tried that, you can't.

>>62130782
>>62130802
nice samefagging

you severely do not understand infosec if you think researchers are targeting random shit in ports. openbsd exists to provide services that are actually targeted unlike your phantom scenarios. openbsd ejected all the shitty ports long ago. if you're not keeping your browser and pdf reader and irc client and a literal handful of other things up to date you may as well just expect to be laughed at regardless of OS.

>>62130753
>>62130782
>no arguments
who woulda thunk

>>62130865
i'm not even gonna give you the pleasure of properly responding to it just so you can come back the next day and post the exact same shit

>>62130855
being up to date does not mean that they're free of exploitable bugs
and OpenBSD devs can't vouch for the software in the ports since they don't actually audit them

>>62130880
>no arguments
>haha not gonna give you the pleasure
thanks for proving my point

BSD is when linux is too mainstream for you.

>>62130912
what fucking point

you know fully well you just come here to stir shit

>>62110937
Serious question.

Why would anyone chose bsd over linux? What advantage does it provide to its users?

>>62130865
you don't fucking listen and we've had this thread before. you're insane.

>>62130925
>what fucking point
you've got no counter arguments
>you know fully well you just come here to stir shit
look, the reason I come here and "stir shit" is because I WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG
I WANT you to convince me to install OpenBSD and that OpenBSD is better than GNU/Linux, so that I can convince others
but you're failing at that so miserably
and I will not stop until I am proven wrong
and if I'm right, OpenBSD must either burn in hell or fix their shit

what I'm saying is this:
>OpenBSD is best for routers and firewalls and good for servers, but it's lack of any kind of simple, yet reliable mechanism for restricting potentially malicious code running locally (MAC's like apparmor, namespaces or any kind of sandboxing tools like firejail) makes it too insecure for desktops

PROVE ME WRONG

>>62130925
he thinks he's found some chink in OpenBSD armour when in reality he'd be laughed out of any conference.

we should just let him think he's some infosec genius and maybe he'll go away.

>>62131022
if you don't fucking like openbsd you don't have to install it you dumb cunt

what's with the whole "i-i'm really a good guy!" angle? just leave already

>>62131048
wouldn't be shocked if he was laughed out of the mailing lists and it made him furious enough to come here everyday to post inane shit

>>62131083
>if you don't fucking like openbsd you don't have to install it you dumb cunt
I never said I don't like it, but it's far from perfect
and I'll probably install it anyway, if not for security, at least for that genuine unix feel

>>62131048
>>62131083
the way you guys present it is smugly and arrogantly as the most secure os in the universe is far from the truth
stop doing that and people like me won't expect too much

>>62131178
give me ONE post from our conversation where i did this

>>62131083
>what's with the whole "i-i'm really a good guy!" angle?
the most effective way to draw attention and get hard rebuttals on 4chan is to be "the bad guy"

>>62131178
no we're just tired of your stupid threads

>>62131197
I meant OpenBSD users in general
generally (at least on anonymous imageboards) they act like they're better than anyone else and like their OS is the most secure shit in the world

>>62131218
>you guys
>OpenBSD users in general
which one is it

go on, link the post where i did that

>>62131228
>go on, link the post where i did that
I don't have it
I'm sorry if I was mistaken, but
>OpenBSD users in general
is true and you're living under a rock if you disagree

the top brass just call shit for what it is in security context. they're usually right.

>>62131259
there's not a single post in this thread that does this and if it does, it's facetious at best

but go on, get triggered by other people who prefer their operating systems

personally, i get triggered by linuxfags who keep shitting up these threads, but you don't see me shit up threads over it

>>62131330
prove me wrong and I will stop shitting up the threads and I'll be able to prove wrong other people with the same kind of concerns

>>62131473
i've seen people prove you wrong a bunch of times already autismo

you DON'T want to be proven wrong and even if you are you'll just keep going

>>62131549
>i've seen people prove you wrong a bunch of times already autismo
I haven't
can you at least link those posts, it's strange that I missed them

>>62131588
they're not in this thread because people know better than to reply to you seriously

>>62131610
yeah, they're probably not in any other threads as well because
>people know better than to reply to you seriously
or (let me translate that)
>openbsd religious nuts know better than to get into an unwinnable argument

>>62115907
>Because Windows users are hostile to us, shit on our system, shit on free software with pure bullshit like le communism.
good post I've seen my fair share of clueless Windows / Apple faggots that throw the word "communism" around when talking about FLOSS even though they're pretty much opposites

Why can't we have both?

The only good bsd is netbsd.

>>62132500
/g/ - Operating System Wars

>>62118012
it doesn't use encryption by default (i assume you mean disk encryption)

>>62127633
>Pledge is an inferior version of capsicum
>vmm is a RIP-OFF of bhyve
My sides.
Are all FreeBSD users this ignorant of what's going on in other BSDs?

>>62132815
it looks like misguided freebsd fanboyism. He's probably heard about pledge and vmm once or twice, and literally assumed they're like that without actually looking into it.

>>62110937
>Loaded Question

>>62110937
they're insecure
here's a prime example >>62113688

>>62113472
I never noticed that BSD's cig is backwards in all the times this meme was posted

>>62134593
I thought it was at first but I think it's supposed to be the cherry

>>62134524
>>62113688
You sound pretty butthurt, did Theo hurt your feelings?

>>62110937
ITS A HOLE BRUH, ITS JUST A BUNCH OF AUTISTIC FAGGITS OVER HERE
GET TO THE CHOPPA

>>62113688
lmao

I installed FreeBSD on my E-Cig, works like a charm

>>62110937
Inferiority complex.

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>>62110937
BSDfags shit up every.single.thread about Linux/Gnu. Keep to your containment threads bsdcucks

>>62137999
/thread

>>62138024
Wrong thread, cuck. Look at the OP.

>>62138349
I really hate how cuck became in insult. It's like using hetero or faggot as an insult, it's just sexual preference

I wanna like bsd, I do. However, I just downloaded FreeBSD for raspberry pi. It runs like dog shit. We're Debian it's smooth. before anyone goes mental and defends bsd, just try the FreeBSD...I dare you. Then come back to this thread.

>>62138449
Maybe try something else than freebsd and/or different hardware.
Like how NetBSD runs really well on Amiga and on zaurus PDAs.
FreeBSD isn't awesome @ pi.

>>62138449
ofc it runs shitty on the pi
Try it on some 1990 hardware

>>62139013
Maybe try some common hardware, like amd64?

>>62139038
arm64 is a meme. It brings no quality improvement over i368

>>62139114
how about >4G RAM

>>62110937
Probably the fact that it works better, it's properly documented and the dev team is actually pretty elite.
As well as BSD users not kidding themselves about how good hardware support is on BSD.

FreeBSD best girl

>>62139496
wrong
OpenBSD is objectively the best
FreeBSD is a dirty slut that tolerates non free software

>>62125609
this is some next level autism

>>62112279
jails were invented by bsd you mouth breathing troglodyte

>>62127633
>if you don't enjoy wasting hours of your day configuring things that linux does automatically you must be stupid.
go back to your anime pillow faggot

>>62139626
nice try cia

>>62127891
>i guess he was thrown off the mailing list at some point
lol what a little faggot crybaby

>>62140694
>openbsd was the only one to not have exploits in the NSA leak
top kek

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Why isn't OpenBSD's chroot+vmm enough for sandboxing?

What does capsicum and apparmor and friends do that goes above and beyond what a home user can achieve with chroot and vmm?

test

>>62141437
did it work?

>>62142291
y-yes

>>62140806
>chroot
insecure
>vmm
too much overhead

>>62138410
Yeah, but any man willing to let another man have sex with his wife/girlfriend is a joke in himself. Even furries have more standards than they do.

look at all this fucking work you have to do to get freebsd running as a desktop
https://cooltrainer.org/a-freebsd-desktop-howto/

>>62141437
I think that was actually me

one of the other boards was throwing connection errors

>>62142510
>lying on the internet

>>62125760
>>62126202
I actually pre-emptively called you on your ports quantum bullshit before you brought it up. A quick reminder:

If I bring up ports, it's "lolportsareinsecure"

If I say BSD has no software, it's perfectly okay for you to bring up ports.

>>62140631
cool response how about I one up you and call you a fag

>>62143000
look guys, he's back to post in a thread about operating systems he doesn't like for the 3rd day in a row

>>62143000
>triples
nice

>>62124739
You forgot that on OpenBSD, chroot() actually provides safety guarantees, too.

>>62127633
Nobody is buying what you're selling, as we both know you're just wasting their time for attention.

No matter how hard your dick is stroked in IRC, you cannot pretend that not having drivers in 2017 is fine, I really don't care how many times you and xx_1337bsdpro_xx have repeated it. Again we see the smarmy "oh bsd isn't for you" in the same paragraph where you say that it's fine to not have drivers as you try to convince me to use it yet not at the same time. This isn't "computer science", it's neo-luddism and you're a fucking hipster.

BSD losers are essentially tech creationists because you've created a basement religion wherein you basically self-bluepill by teaching yourself that everything made after the 70s is 2mainstream consumer fads that will go out of style in a few years except they don't. There isn't any "hostility" here when you are perpetuating this garbage on purpose for your 5 minutes of attention.

Literally going right to the letter of "lol u dont need dat". Cut welfare and you encourage hipster suicide, we should go "lol we dont need dat" when it comes to extra worthless human baggage.

>>62143014
still no legitimate response hipster nobody
I probably made more money this month than you ever have in your life
welfare doesn't count
Use $20 of it to rent a gun. Make sure it is 9mm or larger caliber. Figure the rest out.

>>62143062
lets hurry up and reach the bump limit so you can go back to your pillow waifu

>>62143077
>still no legitimate response hipster nobody
>I probably made more money this month than you ever have in your life
>welfare doesn't count
>Use $20 of it to rent a gun. Make sure it is 9mm or larger caliber. Figure the rest out.
/g/ is best shitposting board

>>62143077
>hurr you're on welfare
>he says as he spends days here

>>62143062
https://rbt.asia/g/search/text/u%20dont%20need%20dat/page/1/
autism

I wish I could get any BSD to work on my laptop.

http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/openbsd-changes-of-note-627

>>62144208
these are always a nice read

>>62144513
funny

>>62113745

They don't support Firewire either. Enjoy your exploits, cuck.

>>62114783
>copy my ssh keys to a remote server

Surely you use a passphrase?

>>62111189
Btfo
And they know that OpenBSD has far better SMP support

>>62115150

It works OK, 64-bit is still a bit shitty. I mostly use it for nonfree trash like citrix ICA.

>>62112153
This is what I've also observed at least here on /g/ in the last few years since I've started to browse.

>>62144575
all that matters

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>OpenBSD
>BSD derivitive that can't use ZFS
>"secure" because lack of modern features
>Not even fully deblobbed which is one of it's main goals

"LibertyBSD is a “deblobbed” version of OpenBSD. You can get all of the benefits of OpenBSD, while being sure that there is nothing non-free lurking in the depths of your system. "


LibertyBSD - the better choice.

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What are the primary operational differences between BSD and Linux anyway? From what I gather, BSD has poorer degrees of hardware and software support, but superior security and efficiency.

Why choose one over the other?

I've never met a Linux programmer/sysadmin that felt the need to shittalk BSD. Meanwhile BSD people feel the need to shittalk Linux all the time and masturbate about "but but but Netflix uses BSD!!!" like anyone gives a fuck.

>>62145819
I know for a fact 3 people that give a fuck BTFO

>>62145819
nice false flag, everyone cares that netflix uses BSD. But you know that, you just want BSD to look bad. KYS linuxfiend

>>62139626
you're literally 10 years late to the party, son:
https://marc.info/?t=119730647100001&r=1&w=2

>>62140680
>i want my os to configure itself because i'm too stupid to, and i actually run windows but claim to be a linux user because that way i can get more internet points

>>62140754
all that that means is that openbsd isn't of interest to cia because it's not deployed anywhere that cia wants to spy

>>62143059
chroot was never designed to provide isolation - the only peson who knows why it was designed is Bill Joy, and he isn't telling. going by the first use, it was used to build bsd in a clean enviroment.

i respect openbsd developers for trying to do what they're doing, although i don't agree with their implementations. i don't respect bait openbsd users who post on /g/ and who think they're qualified to tell what and what isn't secure

>>62145652
i've seen a lot of this "hey im a previous linux user but linux is too popular now so i'm gonna bake my own bsd with all kinds of caveats and become a really popular awesome rad dude like linus!!!!!1111oneoneone". it makes me chuckle.

>>62145819
for all the shit-talk between various bsds developers, we actually respect each other, and generally don't care about linux. /fglt/ users always flood bsd threads on /g/ because they can't fathom why anyone would want a choice in what os they run. see >>62143078

>>62146728
>/fglt/ users always flood bsd threads on /g/ because they can't fathom why anyone would want a choice in what os they run.

Of course /fglt/ floods a thread with this title...

last bump, otherwise i let the thread die

don't bother

yeah

>>62112153
exactly

I tried to install freebsd on virtualbox and it crashed whenever I tried to startx. I couldn't figure out the problem. Meanwhile Linux just works.

>>62148200
which is the most important thing tbqh

>>62145652
hi riley

>>62148376
hi sweetheart :-)

>>62110937
I use both. Now kys.

>>62148464
you use windows 2 white boi?

>>62148497
Idiot.

>>62148497
no I use MacOS too for League of Legends

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>>62110937
Huh, I love *BSD. It makes my dick rock solid.
Free and OpenBSD are my favorite two OSs after Gentoo.

>>62148557
...are you running an N64 emulator in wine??
you know there are native linux N64 emulators, right?

>>62148557
topkek

>>62145652
freebsd is fine...all the other bsd flavors are complete garbage

>>62149962
i quite like openBSD but hate freeBSD xD

>>62150082
no

What's best BSD for an old thinkpad?
Anybody try out TrueOS, or should I just go FreeBSD?

>>62150194
most openbsd devs seem to have thinkpads so try that first

>>62149962
really there is no point in using BSD considering Windows is based on it. if you want to use actual BSD use windows.

>>62150213
terrible b8

>>62150223
100% serious. No bait.

NT is a UNIX kernel underneath, or it used to be in the very beginning before Microsoft changed it too much.

>>62150213
but Windows is is little more Botnet than FreeBSD. I think open BSD is botnet too but only little

>>62150247
the darwin kernel is closer to freebsd than the .net kernel...and both just took pieces they liked and used them because of the bsd license. windows sucks ass. - posted from windows 7

>>62110937
It's because BSD users are even more elitist than us GNU/Linux users so they sometimes get on our nerves. Also the BSD license is very weak compared to the GPL which means their code gets used by companies who don't give back all the time but they don't seem to care.

>>62150247
Wrong. NT had (has?) a POSIX subsystem, but the kernel itself is not UNIX, it's a custom hybrid kernel.

>>62150247
NT is more like VMS.

what is /g/ bump limit?

>>62150321
>Also the BSD license is very weak compared to the GPL
whats wrong, too free for you commieboy?

>>62150431
the mental gymnastics involved in claiming that gpl is more free than bsd is completely and utterly amazing

>>62150772
best part is they're always the ones to bring up licenses first

you could have a thread about the software and they're the dumb niggers that come on here and go "cuck license xD"

i guess they'd rather use gnu lsh over openssh then

>>62150798
i'd like to see them try - i don't suppose they even remember what the world was like without ssh. rlogin and telnet weren't exactly great protocols back then, but to even have them enabled now is an unpardonable sin (looking at you here, cisco)

cucks gonna cuck