Younger people less tech literate

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>>62101914
>tfw you deleted system32 before it became a meme

Will productivity programs have to adapt to GenZ because all they know how to use is a cell phone?

I predict outside trainers for Excel to make a killing as companies try to teach new employees to use programs the company needs them to use internally.

>>62102504
No. Just like companies refuse to adapt to millennial disrespect and not knowing whatever stupid custom the Boomers knew, they won't adapt to this until there is literally no workforce for them to pick from anywhere in the world.

>>62102559
H1B1 visa for people who know ow how to make a pivot table in Excel?

>>62102504
>GenZ


http://www.dailywire.com/news/19462/google-memo-says-men-and-women-are-different-women-amanda-prestigiacomo

>>62101914
1990-1993

Yes. Any other birth year is tech illiterate.

>>62102640
Imagine you're a fucking non cucked tech company just trying to exist and make products all the while you're scared to death that your GenZ hires might start a full blown social justice jihad any second.

I'm a Zfag and that's not true. Normies my age are much more privacy and security-conscious on average than GenX/Y I've seen -- most use adblock and are careful with providing/posting sensitive info to websites in general. We lack an equivalent of the hacker culture of the '80s but that was only a small minority back then as well, just seemed more prominent since the tech community was much smaller and exclusive.

>>62103071
Bro. Every high-school kid I know takes a snap chat photo every 45 seconds or uploads a photo of every meal they eat to Instagram.

>>62103139
>implying ephemeral semi-private platform isn't actually an improvement from Facebook the life-ruining botnet
http://mashable.com/2013/08/11/teens-facebook/#oPrnvVIhqqqd
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/fashion/move-over-millennials-here-comes-generation-z.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-fuels-a-change-in-generations-with-the-rise-of-gen-z/

>>62102640
millennials, not gen-z.

>>62101914
that was simply a necessity

if you had a computer you HAD to type commands at the prompt before windows if you wanted to play all those dos games.

even early windows was very intuitive with its interface. for instance take file manager (windows explorer's precursor). and even windows before windows XP. there were very few folders to navigate, and if you had a little time, you could somewhat explore what was in all the directories and have an idea of how the OS was laid out. after vista, that was pretty much impossible. I can't remember how many files were in the vista windows folder, but that was unmanageable for a simple user, let alone microsoft coders.
eventually some tasks got completely automated, dumbing down the maintenance and exploration processes for the user.

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even if you hate Microsoft, you have to admit this was a good idea

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Kids born after 2000 are too used to touch screen devices
our jahbs are safe

>>62101914
>early 80s
>not included
hey fuck you, tech noobs

I actually know a gen z kid and he is taking HS coding class. He is pretty smart but they don't understand life outside of walled gardens and apps it seems like to me. He won't install an ad blocker because it will hurt the profits of sites.

>>62101914
I used to think IT would be in jeopardy because everyone was using technology and IT helpdesk people would no longer be needed. The truth is they're needed more than ever. The only "tech" that people are familiar with is swiping their phone to facebook.

What I didn't see coming was all the jobs being outsourced to pajeet land

I'm 20 and everyone I know IRL is tech illiterate, yet they claim to love technology and programming, including the majority of my lecturers.

Is being a pretend programmer the new thing for hipsters?

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>>62104309
>He won't install an ad blocker because it will hurt the profits of sites.
moralfaggotry virtue signaling taken to the next level, what a naive mong

>>62103496
forcing internet explorer on everyone wasn't

Young people are a different kind of tech savvy. I think older people are more likely to understand the insides of how a computer operates because that wad necessary growing up. I think younger people are more internet and social media savvy.

>>62104362
He is pretty naive but he is young. He didn't live through how terrible ads used to be infected.

>>62104389
They know how to google shit, aka how to find out hoe to do something. This is what alot of people lack.
Somehow if you dont know how to do it. google how to do it until you do. Older people wantd someone to show thrm how to do it etc

>>62103071
>privacy and security-conscious
>use facebook, whatsapp, snap, instagram etc.
chose one

>>62104394
>He didn't live through how terrible ads used to be infected.
People still get infected nowadays with all kinds of toolbars, miners and other shit, the kid is just naive thanks to brainwashing.
For example my friend's pc is loaded with shit and he won't install an adblocker just out of simple laziness and won't let me install one for him cause he doesn't want me touching his shit out of dumb paranoia despite being infected up the ass.
People are just dumb, not even bad experiences fix that.

I think OP is right and have been thinking the same thing.

>>62101969
lol

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>>62101914
>Older people actually experimented more with programs and other uses of a computer
Maybe back then, but now I just play shitty mmos and browse 4chan all day.

Being old enough is knowing that early versions of windows were actually pretty shitty and most young fags think otherwise because of a few comfy memes here and there

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>>62101914
This is absolutely true, and I think there's even a study or two on it. There are people who grew up on iOS - these people have no idea what a filesystem even is. Tapping apps on your phone screen teaches you absolutely nothing about technology. Everything is abstracted to GUI now, with frontends for everything, and even the average desktop user has no need to learn how anything works behind the scenes. Even on /g/, a supposed technology board, you read terms like "it just works" and "desktop experience", which really just mean "It works without me having to know how and what, nor even learn anything". You have supposed programmers who are reliant on IDEs, and who don't know even the basics of git. It's a sad state, and more and more abstraction will only make it worst.

>>62101914
Ignorant people define tech literacy by being able to navigate a UI someone else created, which young people are disproportionately good at. When it comes to ACTUAL tech literacy, age matters much less than people think.

>>62101914
My mom went to the doctor the other day and there were a bunch of mothers with their kids at the pediatric wing, some kid started whining about some shit and instead of scolding him the bitch just gave him a phone to keep him occupied like the rest of the kids. My mom got terrified at how fast the kid swiped on the touch screen playing some shitty game and how fixated the fucker was.
I mean there's always been shitty mothers but some time ago they'd just buy the kid a bag of chips or some sweets to keep him occupied, now it's even worse.
There's a reason the silicon valley execs send their kids to schools where they don't allow electronics until the age of 13, modern tech just dumbs down kids and kills their attention spans.

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>>62104389
>internet and social media savvy

http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/

>>62105223
You know I was born in the 1980s and it was a nearly insignificant minority of people that even bothered to learn computers beyond a superficial level. I imagine there is a similar minority of younger people just as interested in learning computers. Quit projecting your anecdotal evidence on an entire generation.

>>62104309
>He won't install an ad blocker because it will hurt the profits of sites.

Sites only get profit from clicks. If he's not clicking the the ads, no having adblocker won't make a difference.

>>62104580
Yeah, but at the same time, that's what human progress is, you mong. We keep abstracting problems so we no longer have to think about them, allowing us to focus on the next set of problems and so on.

>>62102504
They teach those programs in highschool and college.

>>62105325
People who started using PCs from the 80's onward know how to install software and manage their own files.

GenY/Z angrybirds players don't even know what a file manager is.

Checkmate.

>>62105362
Don't tell him that though.

>>62101914
nice blog post, where do I unsubscribe?

>>62105325
thank you daddy

t. Z-fag majoring EECS, where everyone has been programming arduinos and playing CTFs since junior high, uses vim or sublime text (yes, the "all young programmers are numale webartisans who only uses IDE!!!1one!" is a meme), and knows the linux API like the back of their hands

>>62105362
99.99% of modern ads actually do pay per view.
google adsense pays about $1 per 2000 views

>>62104470
Absolutely not. I teach classes to these people at a university. Using Google to find a solution (or any kind of self-directed problem-solving, really) is completely alien to them. Helplessness is fully ingrained.

>>62105377
>more anecdotes

>born in 1995
Which am I.

>>62105362
>he doesn't know views are logged with asynchronous javascript
haha, a tech illiterate gen Y :^) point and laugh, fellow Z-ers :)))

>>62103496
only for retarded brainlets
so no

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>>62101914

>people in my age range are smarter than everyone else, my echo chamber confirms this

I think people from 1950-1960 are more tech savvy than people born 1961-present. After we invented the internet people didn't do anything more than get Apple Ones and play their stupid Oregon Trail and Carmen Sandiegos. Older people expiriment with accounting software and other users of computer. Also even younger people use PCs more than Apple Ones.

>>62101914
>people born 1995-2000
>Older people
1961 here and my first PC was a TS 1000
Still have one

>>62105619
>>62105630
oh shi-

>>62105655
I'm posting with it now

>>62105368
>the next set of problems
What are these "problems" that the average consumer is focusing on and solving? Social media? Willingly giving up their privacy and trading their data to every company and service that comes along?

1998 bab here, i love retro tech and new age tech, why is oldfag op salty about social media, yeah it's annoying but just don't have any and your good

>>62104353
yes

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>>62102696
Not unless you get interested in tech

>Im 1998

>>62107068
Get off 4chan.

1984 was the perfect year to be born into tech

>>62107068
>01 here
OH GOD
IT HAPPENED

>>62107095
95 was better.

>>62101914
I blame consoles, tablets and smartphones. PC at least required modicum of thinking to build and use.

I grew up in the 90's and I really cant stand "start-up" culture. Bunch of hipsters with half-ass coding skills trying to reinvent the wheel

>>62107231
Some of them are succeeding. Are you sure you're not just bitter?

>>62107148
lol babbies, my generation built the shit your lifes run on

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>>62107068
>this kid was only 2 years old when 4chan was born

>>62107323
also, there are kids who unironically ping websites via terminal and say they are ddosing

>>62106893
unerageb&

>>62107323
We're not impressed.
>>62107299
No, generations before yours did. Unless you're talking about Facebook and Snapchat and all that pointless shit.

>>62103496
wow i've never actually noticed that bar there. i would always just use kb shortcuts

>>62107354
aka the shit your lives run on

>>62105455
Literally me, except
>Linux API like the palm of their hands
Does the Windows Native API count?

>>62101914
98 fag here, feels awful to be part of the same generation where no one knows shit about computers, and they think it's all social media and macroshit office.
How do I off myself?

>>62107423
Mine doesn't. Believe it or not, most of the world is not on social media.

>>62101969
>running out of hd space
>wtf is this system32 it takes up too much space
>delete it

me too anon

>>62101914
Ez proof

We don't spend shit on education. American children have shitty test scores.

We fucked now, bois

>>62107329
aaaaand?

>>62107077
>>62107123
ffs, I use C and Lisp, and have Arch, don't have any social media. tf is your problem?

>>62101914
The tabletization of technology has rendered a bunch of people tech illiterate. The generation that had to grow up tinkering with their desktops have now a bunch of kids who don't even know how to erase their WIFI configurations on an Android tablet.

>>62107068
>born the year 911 happened
>I was shitposting here when you were in diapers

welp killing myself this year confirmed

>>62107423
I don't even have a Facebook or Snapchat account.

>>62101914
There is some truth to it I was born 94 and girls I've dated born around 1999 mostly just use their phones and are shit with computers.

Guys are more likely to get into PC gaming and learn a bit more that way.

>>62108217
how long are kids in diapers?
/g/ was a guro board in 03, i don't think it became a tech board till like 05 or 06

>>62102504
>I predict outside trainers for Excel to make a killing as companies try to teach new employees to use programs the company needs them to use internally.
They already do.

>>62103139
With GPS data embedded in the exif data.

>>62108144
You must be 18 to use this website. It is illegal for you to be on here.

>>62101914
I suspect tech literacy in general for all ages is proportionally lower. People's interest in technology are a lot different now than they were for geeks in the 80s and 90s. Social media was the largest driver of that change.

>>62105455
vim is for hipsters who think that using a pain in the ass over complicated editor makes them elite somehow.
nano is superior to all.

>>62104374
It was the only browser at the time

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>>62103071
>Normies my age are much more privacy and security-conscious

>>62108144
>Btw I use Arch

Ok Anon

>>62105223
>her

Found the probelm.

>internal speaker of pc is making a beeping noise
>6 years old me opens it up and unplugs the speaker because it's annoying
>cpu dies of overheating some weeks later
>well, now I know that beeping means something
We were reckless like that. Nowadays people seem to be afraid of their phones.

>>62102504
>I predict outside trainers for Excel to make a killing as companies try to teach new employees to use programs the company needs them to use internally.
That already exists.

I've seen cars driving around my town with "Excel experts" and a phone number written on them that you can call when you can't figure out how to make negative numbers red automatically.

>>62108144
Andy?

>>62109658
I have a 5yr old and know that you're lying?

>>62101914
Born 1994 here. Na I hate dealing with 30+ year old's in industry.
They seem to think they're superior while spouting some backwards ass concepts.

>>62103071
>Normies my age are much more privacy and security-conscious

>I only ever upload my nudes to Facebook over https

>my Snapchat app is password protected

>I don't use my real name on Twitter, so it's real anonymous -especially when I Periscope my walk from home to school

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>>62101914
>13 year old brother can't plug a hdmi cable
>Can't install his minecraft mods
>Has problems with troubleshooting anything
>Doesn't understand any settings on his games and whenever I change the setting to his actual monitor resolution, he says it's "wrong" because it is now "smaller"
Help

>>62111327
It's to late, just buy him an xbox.

>>62111327
>minecraft
he already has mind aids, this shit turns children into faggots

>>62101914

Absolutely agree. The funnier thing (IMO) is that even older people are by now more tech-savvies than most kids from 2000+.
My parents (born 57 and 64) went through all stages of technological progress in terms of computer and internet and are pretty knowledgeable. I am completely sure that they would both never fall for a phishing mail or another simple scam online. My younger cousins however even manage to get malware on their smartphones and then message me to help them. My mom only calls for one thing and that is actually building her a new PC every couple of years (which I view as a win because she says she won't buy prebuilts)

>>62107353
>Underage? 18 bb

>>62107353
anon I hate to break it to you but there are 18 year olds born in 1998

>>62101914
In any case I'd argue that the new generation is just as tech illiterate as the old one. I've found tech literacy to be fairly independent of age. A no life teenager could probably beat me out in technical knowledge if they really put their heart into it, likewise I usually defer to the greybeards when they say their piece, because they usually know more than I do.

>>62101914
Good.
IT needs to stay / become more unapproachable for normies so
1) women stay away from it
2) I get paid top dollar for being a code monkey

>>62105455
You and your peers are the exception. I'm also highly sceptical that that is really the case for "everyone" in your EECS program.

>>62107363
what's the kb shortcut for forward, back, or up?

>>62104309
that kid is just plain retarded

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I work in a school.
Kids growing up now don't even know how to work a mouse. They've only played by the rules and used touch screens.

I remember playing Doom, Jill of the Jungle, Chex Quest, and pitfall. Those were all things I installed myself.

Learned the "middle button rule" where you just keep clicking the middle button of the prompts to install something lmao

>>62111782
This, nothing good comes from the general public having IT skills.

>>62103071
>security curious
>slurpin W10 koolaid like crazy

>>62105373
Yes, and ONLY those computers.

Very few schools actually teach kids about the inner workings of computers. To them, "computers" means Microsoft Office and Windows Explorer.

>>62101969
system 32 can be easily restored if you boot and go into backups

>>62111744
>In any case I'd argue that the new generation is just as tech illiterate as the old one. I've found tech literacy to be fairly independent of age.
This!

Young people are generally better at navigating UIs. Other than that, they're no more or less tech literate than previous generations.

My cousin's daughter kept touching the laptop screen thinking it's a touch screen and it's going to respond like one.

But memes aside dumb normies always thought "being good with computers" meant knowing how the system files are organised and being able to Google error codes when something crashes.

That's not "being good with computers" that's just not being a retard.

The people who actually land careers in software and computer hardware will be able minority of the entire population just like it always has been.

As anybody should, I was interested in computers at a young age. My parents didn't know shit about computers so I learned everything on my own.

Kids these days likely have more tech-savvy parents, so they run to mom, dad, or their older brother to fix computer problems for them instead of fixing it themselves.

>>62113091
Why did computer classes become so shit? It's not like you can't just google all of that shit lol

I bought my 7 year old sister a thinkpad x220 with a minimal installation of arch and i3 for her birthday. I've also been grooming her, subtly making her interested in science and mathematics ever since she was able to speak. Am i doing the right thing?

>>62113437
Just let her use mate

>>62113546

She's already pretty good at using i3, so there's really no point to switch to something new.

>>62113437
I call dibs on your sister when she's old enough.

>>62113358
>But memes aside dumb normies always thought "being good with computers" meant knowing how the system files
It's still less stupid than thinking computers are only Microsoft Office (which isn't even preinstalled with Windows) or worse, only Facebook or whatever site is currently popular.

>>62113383
>Kids these days likely have more tech-savvy parents, so they run to mom, dad, or their older brother to fix computer problems for them instead of fixing it themselves.
The average normie today is no more tech-savvy than the average normie of previous generations.

Young normies today are good at navigating UIs. Actually knowing how computers work is still for geeks.

>>62111899
really?
alt+right, alt+left, alt+up

>>62108368
Incorrect

This show was so fucking overated

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>>62111899
>what's the kb shortcut for forward, back, or up?

>Born in 1996
>Making more money than my millennial predecessors

>>62114274
at least I'm not a tranny

>>62114274
1996 is millennial buddy

>>62113908
alt-up doesn't work on my machine

>>62111327
Stop doing shit for him.

He needs to learn by being forced to fix things himself.

>>62105619
Next to nobody owned an Apple I. Apple II was the one all the schools and businesses got, then it trickled down to consumers.

Tech savviness isn't based on age, it's based on ability and willingness to learn. The majority of people in every generation lack that.

>>62113025
>>62111782
this desu senpai

Why would you not want to have supreme control and authority over 95% of the population just by knowing how to double click Setup.exe and Next a few times?

>>62114298
1995+ is Gen Z

You are so smart and special while everyone else is dumb and stupid we know i guess you are a 20 year old full of ego who wants to win arguments just for the shake of winning and not learning anything. You are completely wrong i have seen most kids interact with technology intuitively while most of my generation had absolutely no knowledge about technology don't compare nerds from 85 to the general population cause if you reverse that oh boy.

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>>62108368
>NetScape

You don't know any youngsters, you fucking sperg.

I see it the other way around. Most of the people I know at ages 25-40 are tech illiterate, only able to operate their smartphones. Meanwhile the teenagers I know are tech savvy.

>>62115953
Most sites wouldn't work properly with netscape, IE really was the only choice for a long time.

>>62105794
1. Wageslaving
2. Mindless consumerism

>>62101914
if you didn't watch batman beyond while using napster on windows me then you ain't shit

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>>62101914
when I was a child I always tried to run this fucking program because I thought it was a racing game or something

Wrong. The people interested in technology are just a small minority. You belong to them. So you didn't notice when growing up. But some younger people are still interested in technology and just as literate as you. Just as a lot of people your age are very tech illiterate because they didn't give a damn about it when growing up.

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>>62104353
also 20. it's true. most people outside of the college of engineering at my uni are tech illiterate. facebook, twitter, and instagram are everywhere. the unholy trinity has risen. god save us all.

>mfw

>>62111651
I'm pretty sure it depends on exposure. Majority of people I know of that generation ARE the ones who keep begging me for help when they fall for a scam or get malware on their pc. Even the most mundane tasks are beyond them.

But its not because of their age.

>>62105619
OP here. The age range I listed didn't include myself and specifically coincided with the first expansion of home PC use. I appreciate your constructed strawman but it's shit.

>>62107323
u go, kid
and by go i mean go away

>>62107323
>14 years old
>posted 15 hours ago
>still not underage B&

Thank you hiro