/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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Install Source Mage

My ssd died last night and I'll be reinstalling OS' today

As a normie user of i3, will I notice any differences if I switch to Debian from Arch? I don't think I had anything crazy installed from the AUR that I would be missing. Is Debian stability over arch a meme in Q3 2017?

FUCK YOU CANONICAL

>>62089460
I like arch better because the software is newer.

Stability just means old in debian terms. There's no reason to use debian on anything other than a server.

I like how the gnu tryout section start at 0, nice touch.

Looking for a daily driver OS that I can install steam, etc onto to maintain some normie status but not be on botnet 10.

>>62089483
I feel like I had a lot of stability issues using Antergos and i3 in combination. Specifically in combination because I was getting issues in i3 that I wouldn't get in Antergos with Openbox or Solus with i3.

As someone who generally doesn't do much 'under the hood' work I was wondering if I should install the exact same antergos + i3 setup again or try something different.

>>62089483
>repeating the same old meme
How about gaining some knowlege?

>>62089460
install openSUSE Tumbleweed

>>62089579
Are you saying that Debian packages are newer than Arch packages?

>>62089698
>anything behind arch is old
If you don't want to trigger people try using more precise terms than "old".

>>62089575
While I don't know your problem or even Antergos really well, I figure yea, you should just try again if you feel this is the only problem you had.

'cause it sounds more likely that this was a bug somewhere in the Xorg - i3 stack or something rather than a profound distro specific issue.

Apart from that, if it's just i3, why not try awesome wm or some such another powerful automatic tiling wm? Not like that's TERRIBLY profoundly different.

>>62089767

why

are

you

typing

like

this

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How can portage be the best package manager if it's written in python, the most unstable clusterfuck of a programming language in the known universe?
>python
>python2
>python2.7
>python3
>python3.6
>python3.6m

>>62089767
>Apart from that, if it's just i3, why not try awesome wm or some such another powerful automatic tiling wm? Not like that's TERRIBLY profoundly different.

Ignoring my problems, what would be the reason to switch / what does awesome provide over i3?

I guess because i3 was the first I used and worked, switching would have felt like "distro hopping" to a similar de.

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>>62089820

>>62089698
No, but they aren't older also if you use Sid.

>>62089937
Please anon, make me want to install gentoo again.

>>62089865
No, the point really only was that other tiling WMs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#List_of_tiling_window_managers_for_X ) should probably offer a viable alternative to i3 in case it specifically STILL bugs out on your machine and Antergos.

Not going to try and write a treatise on all the subtle and not so subtle differences in features and default configuration and how they might be superior or inferior - it's only a suggestion for another pretty nice tiling WM with a good bunch of features that you might try first when dodging a bugged i3.

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>62089242
in hopes i get one

>>62090066

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/resolv.conf

>>62089288
For disabling acceleration you could try xinput set-prop "$id" "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 0 1
you can get the id of your mouse from xinput --list

>>62090066

alias killscreens="screen -ls | grep Detached | cut -d. -f1 | awk '{print }' | xargs kill &> /dev/null && echo 'Done.' || echo 'No detached screens found.'"

>>62090079
For ffmpeg and mpv you can use apt-get build-dep <packagename> to grab the build dependancies and then just grab the source and follow the instructions.

Regarding speakers you will have to give more details like how you "know" they are not detected, what DE, what they are connected to, pulse/nopulse, penis size.

>>62090066
systemd-analyze plot > startup.svg

Actually, the commands that do the thing you need done are the cool ones.

>>62090066

function awktunes() {
awk 'function wl() {
    rate=64000;
         return (rate/160)*(0.87055^(int(rand()*10)))};
     BEGIN {
         srand();
         wla=wl();
         while(1) {
             wlb=wla;
             wla=wl();
             if (wla==wlb)
                 {wla*=2;};
             d=(rand()*10+5)*rate/4;
             a=b=0; c=128;
             ca=40/wla; cb=20/wlb;
            de=rate/10; di=0;
             for (i=0;i<d;i++) {
                 a++; b++; di++; c+=ca+cb;
                 if (a>wla)
                     {a=0; ca*=-1};
                 if (b>wlb)
                     {b=0; cb*=-1};
                 if (di>de)
                     {di=0; ca*=0.9; cb*=0.9};
                 printf("%c",c)};
             c=int(c);
             while(c!=128) {
                 c<128?c++:c--;
                 printf("%c",c)};};}' | aplay -r 64000
}

>>62090066
general smgl manual

cast smgl-setup
man smgl-setup

sorcery tui settings manager

sorcery

update sorcery

sorcery update

update grimoires

scribe update

rebuild everything

sorcery rebuild

rebuild packages needing an upgrade

sorcery upgrade

cast and reconfigure spell

cast -r <spell>

reinstall dispelled package from cache (if you still have it there and don't want to recompile it)

resurrect <package>

after casting new spells you need this to have apropos, man -k, and whatis

makewhatis

list grimoires

scribe index

to check for broken installations

cleanse --fix

delete completely a spell

dispel --nosustain <spell>

>>62090192
What a waste of a post.

>>62090066

echo -e \\e#8

>>62090192
Cool commands senpai

>>62090066
curl cheat.sh

>>62090174
Try this:

printf 'main(t){for(;++t>>16<3;)putchar(t*!!(t>>9&7|!(-t>>12&7))*(96+"#d|dOE3#dOE3dOE3"[t>>13&15])>>5);}' | gcc -x c - -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out | aplay -q

bash or zsh or fish?

>>62090389
zsh has better tab completion and such. Most of my scripts are in perl or python anyway.

>>62090389
/bin/sh

hello

installed manjaro with xfce, worked gr8. now whenever i shutdown or reboot(shutdown -h now) it freezes after closing everything.

it gets stuck on my background so i assume it isn't closing xfce?? pls help

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>>62090389
I've made some observations about people who use zsh and I know why most of them think it's better than bash.

People switch to zsh either to be special snowflakes or because they see cool zsh prompts in desktop threads or because they hear it has better completion (I personally don't think it does).
Most of them have no idea that the same look can be achieved with bash, that you can embed commands into your PS1, they probably haven't heard of PS2, PS3 and PS4 and they probably don't even know what readline is.
They haven't heard of inputrc, they don't know how to add custom keybinds to macros in bash, they don't know that you can change the editing mode of the interactive shell to be Vi-like.
They don't know about incremental search nor do they know about different completion settings.

Some may say that it's better for scripting, but scripting in a non standard shell is pointless, since you still need to know POSIX scripting and in most cases bash, since it has more features than sh and unlike zsh it's everywhere.
If you want to use a sane language for scripting, use python or if you're working on a larger project, you might also want to consider using a non interpreted programming language like C.

Zsh users are mostly ignorant impresionable people, hipsters of all sorts including nu-male macfag webdev sitting at starbucks types and most of them like to pretend to be cool for using a non standard shell while barely having scratched the surface of bash/readline and I do not want to be associated with them in any way.
In order to make an informed decision about which shell to use, you've got to at least know the basics of both shells and what readline is and what you can do with it.

I personally don't see a valid reason to switch to zsh. I think zsh is bloat mostly for the sake of it.
There might be valid reasons to use zsh, but most people certainly don't do it for valid reasons.

>>62090389
If you want to customize stuff or adopt a huge pre-customized configuration, it's probably zsh. Gazillions of configurable features.

Also good for your-own-use-only scripting. Zsh's scripting dialect is ultimately more pleasant than bash's if you ask me.

But bash and fish aren't weak either. Maybe you just should try them all.

>>62090465
>If you want to customize stuff or adopt a huge pre-customized configuration, it's probably zsh. Gazillions of configurable features.
I'd say thats a meme. All shells are customizable.

>>62090418
>>62090462

>>62090389
bash
>simple
>does the job
>doesn't come in your way
>muh gnu
>muh gpl

>>62090462
zsh has completion across remote hosts for SSH commands and seems to tab complete arguments of commands better. If there's a way to add that to bash then sure, I'll switch back.

>>62090526
Bloat.

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>>62090192

>>62090348
I chuckled.

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>>62090526
https://fbb-git.github.io/xd/
also
https://github.com/clvv/fasd
and also
https://github.com/jhawthorn/fzy

>>62090526
nothing you can't live without

>>62090462
t. Bash shill

>>62090585
nice, I'll check those out
thanks anon

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>>62090389

>>62090492
Not to this degree. It has been a primary focus of ZSH to have in-depth configurable features for almost 30 years now.

It's somewhat the EMACS of shells. No, not every other shell has as many features and tweakables- the gap is generally quite large.

>>62090146
>pulse/nopulse, penis size.
Don't know what you mean?

Also I want to compile because outdated versions of ffmpeg/mpv

>>62090627
Examples?

>>62090627
But is bloat, most features can be done with an .inputrc file. Please educate yourself.

>>62090462
zsh is easier for newbies to rice, yes. That is even a valid reason to use it.

>>62090526
>zsh has completion across remote hosts for SSH commands
I know scp has a bash completion function on debian that completes remote files. Just checked for ssh and it doesn't complete for remote commands but it is certainly possible if anyone could be bothered. Here is the openssh-client completion btw if you want to copy _scp_remote_files() http://termbin.com/fy9g

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>there are people in this ITT thread RIGHT NOW not using the GNU shell

>>62090651
>zsh is easier for newbies to rice, yes.
Examples? It's not like that PS1='benis@benis%' or alias ohmybenis='echo benis :D' is hard.

>>62090674
i'm with bash

>>62090651
>That is even a valid reason to use it.
It is not.
Noobs need to learn the standard shell first.

>>62090679
That is a lot different than installing a theme manager for zsh and switching through them until you find something with sufficiently decombobulating pastel colours and unicode emojis buffeting your poptart sparlkilng cursor.

>>62090692
>Noobs need to learn the standard shell first.
You sound like a really terrible person.

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>>62089433
So I deleted very much small and medium sized data(Ebooks etc) from my drive and my System was quite unresponsive, even MINUTES after the Files where succesfully deleted,

I'd like to know what exactly happend with my System. With confidence I was able to fire up some monitoring tools. But I am not quite sure how to review what really happend. Here are 2 screenshots, maybe someone of you can explain to me why my (Dec.2016 1200€) fapping machine stroked so hard on this one

>>62090637
http://ohmyz.sh/ might be a good start. Or less fun, just the documentation at http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/

As one quick indicator, look at the builtin functions of zsh http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/Functions-Index.html vs bash https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Function-Index

>>62090749
What file system are you using?
Where did you learn english you weirdo?

>>62090742
>You sound like a really terrible person.
You sound like a person to whom it makes sense to run before crawl.

>>62090750
>http://ohmyz.sh/
>collection of aliases, which work 90% on all other shells, much mac crap, much chucknorris and LOL
>installing a "plugin manager" to set up aliases and functions
>end up with a huge configuration, can't remember a single command
good for beginners, yes

Is it worth spending time actually learning bash/CLI? I've been using linux for a few years on and off now (like 6) and I kind of only know enough CLI to get by, I learn more when something comes up and I have to.

>>62090674
redpill me on GNU shell, bash is comfy

>>62090818
>>62090462

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why aren't my Ktorrent files seeding?

>>62090784
>I really don't write often in english
sorry for that

ext4 ontop of LVM on a SSD

>>62090805
If you don't have a terminal open 24/7, you only have 10% of all the fun. It's worth it.
Start writing some scripts which automate stuff you do daily to kick off.

>>62090838
I have a terminal open 24/7 (yakuake is top-tier dropdown) but I use it for mostly brainlet activities like youtube-dl

>>62090805
all the time you've spent on GNU (and Linux) without honing and utilizing your CLI skills are wasted

Does installing source mage takes as much time as gentoo? Do they have binaries?

>>62090870
>installing binaries on a source based distro
gentoofags are embrassing
whats the point, showing off the gentoo logo?

>>62090869
I still find it a comfy OS, more comfy than windows, I don't consider it a waste, my computer is a tool more than a fun project. I just do CLI work when something breaks.

>>62090867
>uninstall your file manager, your graphical editors, package management frontends, graphical archiving tools, torrent client, etc
>replace everything you can with CLI/TUI
>do this for a month
>...
>???

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>>62090830
because nobody is downloading lol

>>62090674
>not using the C Shell

>>62090900
it's useless and tcsh is no better

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>>62090900
>not writing your own shell
plebs

>>62090881
install gentoo

>>62090389
I use the gnome-shell.

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Wizards Assemble!

Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is:
Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code.
Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package.
With even the documentation licensed as FDL.
Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages.
Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash.
No systemd (they've implemented their own init scripts system http://sourcemage.org/Init).
Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates.
Can heal broken installs.
Can also use flags.

Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (package build files) not found in the grimoire (repository of spells) is easy http://sourcemage.org/Spell/Book

Bash hackers welcome! Come and join http://sourcemage.org/

Installing SMGL is easy, here's the simplified process:
>boot a live Ubuntu (or whatever) USB drive
>go to SMGL website and download compressed archive of the base system
>partition and mount partition(s)
>extract the archive onto the new partition(s)
>chroot, set root passwd, hostname, configure network and locale, write fstab, install grub/lilo
>reboot
>compile a kernel (preferably the newest stable one from kernel.org)
>update sorcery, grimoires and the build toolchain
>rebuild the system (hold spells you've already built, so you don't build them twice)
The install guide will hold your hand through the whole process http://sourcemage.org/Install/Chroot
Do the chroot method, since the regular live ISO method guide is out of date currently.

Here's a list of common commands: https://pastebin.com/i4DALaNV

>>62090795
>You sound like a person to whom it makes sense to run before crawl.
Nope, I am someone who thinks you should let people choose their level of immersion. You don't need to know posix shell to install themes and post in desktop threads, you don't need to be able to write scripts to drive a linux desktop. As much as it may make you or me sad these are facts and taking a passive aggresive approach to people who like things you don't like is not a helpful attitude.

>>62090886
>file manager
I can already do all of this in CLI

>package management
same deal

>graphical archiving tools
yep

>torrent client
don't see the point of this, just makes things harder to manage, maybe I could see the value if you mean setting up the back end of an rTorrent web interface or something

Is there anything more to learn about CLI? Maybe I should be looking at learning bash scripts now for automation

>>62090913
I have written my own shell, but I'd rather use a more full featured one.

>>62090870
Took less time on my laptop than with gentoo

Which is the best software to create a boot-able USB. I need to get off wincuck immediately.

>>62090967
Rufus

>>62090967
rufus is good

>>62090942
Transmission had a nice ncurses interface which is dead easy

>>62090967
Try rufus.

>>62090990
I'm managing 700 torrents right now, the GUI speeds things up immensely, I have no doubt I could run most things in CLI with little issue, just whats the point if its less efficient anyway?

>>62090990
https://github.com/rndusr/stig

>>62090935
>You don't need to know [X] before knowing [F(X)], where [X] is a statement and [F(X)] a derived statement from [X] via rule [F].
You need to if you want to understand [F] and I want people to understand [F].

>>62090981
>>62090982
>>62090991
Thank you

>>62090990
>not using rtorrent

>>62090930
I used SystemRescueCD but had to point to bash to chroot, installation is easy, will try port a spell next

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How would I go about downloading packages from Arch's Multilib repository......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................in Manjaro??

>>62091007
>You need to if you want to understand [F] and I want people to understand [F].
s/[F]/[F(X)]/g

I'm tired, sorry.

>>62090749
>>62090784
>>62090836
any Ideas what caused this?

>>62090896
so they're not supposed to seed automatically after you finish downloading them?

>>62091027
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multilib
if something breaks, that's your cue to leave manjaro and use arch like a non retard

>>62091000
You will run x2 faster, just type '?' to get a list of bindings

>>62091001
I need to try this

>>62091015
Setting up this will take me time, Transmission is drop easy out of the box

I would like to thank all Arch users for being our beta testers.

>>62091007
Dude, we are not talking hypotheticals here. People can spraypaint their cars with stencils withought knowing how to paint. They can also get shiny shells they only ever run screenfetch on withought nowing how to write screenfetch.
>I want people to understand
I know, and I am saying you are a cunt for lacking empathy.

>>62091058
all transmission tui's are shit

>>62091065
I don't care about painting cars, I care about more people understanding GNU/Linux better, so that more people can contribute and make this community better.

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>>62091059
you're welcome

>>62091059
Only a small minority of Arch users are "beta testers" though.

Arch is just a stepping stone.

>>62091066
4U

>>62091059
thank developers, those are whom arch is for.

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>>62090801
> installing a "plugin manager" to set up aliases and functions
Yes, that's why it's akin to EMACS (or vim) and not ed or nano, which may be analogues for other shells.

There are tons of extra functions already included in the shell, and people built plugin frameworks with 200 plugins running on top alongside other plugins.

> good for beginners, yes
Yes. It's not like they can't use EMACS either and have to use nano.

You could make an argument for nano, sure, but maybe if someone wants even just a bunch of the extra features it's more EMACS regardless of the relative overall complexity.

>>62090462
this kills the zshfag

>>62091059
UPSTREAM does its own development cycle before pushing updates.Arch takes vanilla packages directly from UPSTREAM and pushes them in to the testing repo before being pushed to core/extra.

>>62091138
whats so special about that gif?

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>zsh is such bloat it even has a tetris embedded in

new topic please, how about systemd?

>>62091222
not a joke btw http://zshwiki.org/home/examples/zlewidgets

>>62091229
t. buttfried zsh scum

>>62091222
>vi keys - show mode
lmao readline already supports this
they're literally duplicating an existing feature of the standard command line
if that's not bloat I don't know what is

good thread

zshfags are basically archfags in terms of shells

>>62090389
I just use zsh because all I have to do is install oh-my-zsh and I have everything out of the box. But >>62090462
have a good point. The only time I actually learned about shells was when I started using Bash and configuring everything, and I was surprised see all of those features I never heard about it.

>>62091118
to what

>>62091059
>too retarded to understand version control system

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>>62091309
source magic

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>>62091348

>>62091417
this meme macro knows what he's talking about

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>>62091118
>>62091309
>>62091348

Copying my chromium profile from my backup location(which i was running it on while i was restoring data) no longer works.It presents this error message.I checked for any lock files in the profile, and there are none.However if i point via command line to my backup profile, it works as expected.How do i restore my profile? There are no zombie or background chromium processes.

Failed to create a ProcessSinzgleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.

>>62091534
>he uses chromium

>>62091549
I've made my bed. I only use it for media

Installing fedora. Which flavor should I go for: Xfce, Cinnamon, or Mate ?

X220 with 2GB ram

>>62091649
xfeces

>>62091649
debian + xfce

>>62091649
Arch + i3

>>62091649
devuan + xfce

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>>62091649
>fedora

>>62091649
source mage + evilwm

>>62091649
gentoo + dwm

>>62091649
Xfce

Might wanna get at least 2GB more of memory

Thoughts on LXDE?

>>62091283
good post

I love you anons.
You make me feel good inside.

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>>62091814

>>62089433
Do I need to just install a linux distro and say goodbye to windows forever?

Please, advice me.

>>62091823
yes

>>62091823
yes

>>62091823
yes

>>62091823
yes

>>62091823
you'll never get completely away from windows if you have any sort of work or social life, so learn to in2samba and in2wine

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>>62091853

>>62091853
you need to work on your bait

>>62091872
what's bait about it, you seriously need wine and samba for interoperability

>>62091882
nah fuck off vm's and ssh/sshfs are better options anyway

>>62091823
switch as soon as possible

>>62091814
agree, /fglt/ is a nice place.

>>62091916
now you're just being asinine, vms take way to much overhead to be a viable option and tunnelling into a machine when all you want to do is let your normie friends access files over the network is such a great option

>>62091947
Most software don't run at all on wine or is full of bugs, and samba shit is unsecure as fuck but whatever.

>>62092001
>most software doesn't run on wine or is full of bugs
bullshit
>samba is insecure
how so, you still have complete permission control over every folder you choose to share, or do you mean that it advertises the share and anyone on the local network with can access it if guest access is on? cause that's kinda the point of samba

Anyone know how to get multi monitor setup for a KVM linux guest?

I would think I just needed to change the video config to support 2 heads, but I get nothing.

My boss said something about adding another channel device but I get a slew of host cpu errors when I try to boot with anymore than one.

pls help

>>62092033
unencrypted connection and even if you can do it is no way near the standars of ssh, this is a fact, also there have been several exploits to it you can search it.

Linux sucks!!

>>62092142
yeah but it's the best currently around

>>62092142
oh shit you're right!
brb nuking my install now

>>62092142
Torvalds btfo

>>62092142
will linux EVER recover from this?

>>62092142
/thread

>>62092142
fuck off bryan

>>62092142
Android on suicide watch

>>62092142
wtf i hate linux now

Finally got Fedora running, wiped the entire drive and all the porn. I will be a new man from now on. That being said, what is the name of that "app store" which is available for this OS--looks like ubuntu's app store

>>62092651
found it https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SoftwareCenter#Fedora_Software_Center

>>62092651
just use gnome software,

Why is everyone installing Fedora?

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>>62092049

>>62092049 anyone?

please, i'm really trying to not to read through libvirt docs.

>>62092836
because they don't know it sucks for desktop use.

>>62090174
What does this do?

>>62093476
it installs gentoo in your soundcard

>>62093476
Dont do that, it creates mustard gas

>>62090066

cowsay "1: nothing wrong with me" && sleep 2
cowsay "2: nothing wrong with me" && sleep 2
cowsay "3: nothing wrong with me" && sleep 2
cowsay "4: nothing wrong with me" && sleep 2
clear
cowsay "1: something's got to give" && sleep 2
cowsay "2: something's got to give" && sleep 2
cowsay "3: something's got to give" && sleep 2
clear
cowsay "NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW——" && sleep 2
clear
cowsay "——LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR" && sleep 2
cowsay "LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR" && sleep 2
cowsay "LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRR" && sleep 2
clear
cowsay "*INSTRUMENTAL*" && sleep 1

>>62090749
most file operations (anything not explicitly doing syncronous IO) are buffered/queued by the OS, to make it possible to reorder and parallelize operations where beneficial
basically, in most cases, when something completes, such as when "rm" returns to the shell, the operation is not actually completely done, just that the kernel has checked everything it needs to, such that the operation /will/ complete, just in the background
deleting a ton of files, big or small, requires a lot of filesystem metadata updates, which can be a big strain on hdd's, as you end up with a lot of head movement. if your root is on the same disk, it's no surprise that things will be a bit unresponsive until the operation is truly complete

>>62091049
typically, yes
but uploading requires someone to download from you, that's what it means

how to compile linux from source?

>>62093733
it comes with a README that outlines how to compile it

>>62093785
thanks

>>62093795
No problem, that's why we're here.

Hey guys I just switched to Linux/KDE and I'm noticing there is a complete lack of mouse options. I tried commands/Xorg configs to turn off mouse acceleration and they do not seem to work, and I still cannot find a way to change cursor speed other than messing with my DPI.

Thanks for any help, I'm on Arch and tried the info on the arch wiki and it didn't seem to turn off acceleration.

>>62094010
Mice can have internal acceleration. What mouse are you using?

>>62094064
Logitech G502, trust me I have that shit off acceleration is off when I use my Windows VM as well.

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>>62094078
Have you tried using "xinput"?

xinput list

Find your mouse (there may be more than 1 with the same name)
and use the "id" in:

xinput list-props ID

If you see Device Accel Profile (pic related) you want it to be -1. Oddly enough even if it's 0 you can still have some acceleration. So for instance in my case the profile is property 280 and the id was 8, so to turn it off I'd do

xinput set-prop 8 280 -1

>>62094151
Forgot to mention, repeat that last step for each device with your mouse name replacing the ID

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>Instal ubuntu
>just werks
>install windows 10
>function keys don't work for brightness or microphone mute
>install hotkey function drivers from hp website
>brightness controls work now, but microphone mute still does not.
What did windows mean by this?

>>62094300
Contrary to popular belief Linux actually has better hardware support than Windows in many cases. The big exceptions are usually proprietary things like video cards and wifi.

Also it's funny that most people compare their experience using pre-installed windows to the experience of installing+using GNU/Linux without even realizing it.
Of course when they do actually have to install windows from scratch you hear almost just as many horror stories and malfunctions as you do with people installing GNU/Linux.

>>62094151
Thank you so much. What about mouse speed?

I'm changing computers and I want to be liberated from the rice shit I've done in the past, what distro will free me from obsolete fidgeting with pointless rice stuff and looks nice and clean from the getgo.
Give me the maximum user experience.
I want this computer to be my normie linux.

>>62094489
Arch with kde plasma

>>62094489
Ubuntu+Gnome, Debian+Gnome, Fedora+Gnome.

>>62089820

>i know nothing about programming
>i know noting about python
>i know nothing about the things i'm talking about, i just parrot things i've seen other people say

Abort yourself.

>>62094495
I guess it doesn't get more normie than Ubuntu.
I guess I'll do that.

>>62090162

>journal takes 11 seconds to flush on my hard drive

This is pain no human has ever experienced before.

>>62090462

I wish I had screenshot the post where some guy who was using zsh couldn't get his configuration working. He complained that it doesn't work and then he posted the contents of his .bashrc file.

>>62091158

It's supposed to show you how useless a prompt can get.
It needs more clocks.

>>62090462
Readline's vi-mode doesn't do half of what zsh's vi mode does. In zsh I can type ysiw" in order to add quotes to a word. Readline doesn't support that.
Also, zsh-autosuggestions is quite a useful plugin, I don't think it can be implemented in bash, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

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https://www.archlinux.org/people/developers/

>ctrl+f
>anime
>6 results

>>62094397
It's not very elegant, but for that you can also use xinput.

This time you want the property:
>Coordinate Transformation Matrix
The default should be a unit matrix:
1 0 0
0 1 0
0 0 1
Except that it's shown all on one line like: 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1
To change the sensitivity just adjust the 1's but leave the last one alone.

So if you want to double the sensitivity you would use (for me the property is number 154):

xinput 8 154 2, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 1

>>62094615
reddit BFTO

>>62094397
>>62094731
But yeah, I really wish we had better ways of doing it. I remember even on Windows you'd have to go mucking about in the register to fully disable acceleration. It also requires some funky terminal commands to disable acceleration on Mac too

I don't get why wanting 0 acceleration and/or adjusting mouse speed _without_ adjusting acceleration is something so overlooked by developers.

It's like none of them have ever played an FPS game.

>>62090462
I guess the popularity of zsh is because macOS shipps a pretty outdated version of bash (afaik it's still a v3 version), so people switch to zsh, blog about it, recomment it to others who in return also blog about it.

That said, zsh has indeed some good features, sadly I didn't anyone see mentioning them ITT like advanced array hackery and floating point math which is cool for zsh scripting, but in other shells you just use the POSIX utils for that.

zsh is like Arch, it's nice, but people install it for the wrong reasons and don't utilitize it, which gives it software a bad name.

>hey guys, I try to run this command but it doesn't work, what do?
>zsh: command not found: screenfetch

tl;dr if people really need/enjoy zsh's additional stuff, why not, no need for bully, personally I like my good old bash, but if people really make use of zsh, it's cool too.

>>62094731
>>62094769
Is this Linux/xorg as a whole or just KDE making mouse settings nigh impossible to fuck with?

>>62094977
It's Xorg/Synaptics/libinput. Linux isn't responsible.

Is there a convenient way to prune unwanted windows updates, preferably before even installing them? There's plenty of lists floating around, but there's both a fuckton of updates to sift through and a fuckton of updates to avoid.

>>62089433
Hey there.
I'm looking for a Linux Distro (preferably based on debian) with a UI like gnome 3 and kernel 4.12 OOTB.

Can anyone help me on that?

>>62094986
That's not GNU/Linux

>>62094999
Ubuntu gnome

>>62095002
Ubuntu has kernel 4.10 rn

>>62094977
I really don't know, I just use a WM and don't really mind just doing things on the command line and/or scripting them.

I mean, you could make a GUI to do it, no problem. There's nothing especially tricky about those commands I was giving you that requires a human intelligence, that shit could easily just be coded into some dropdown boxes and sliders.
It's just a question of whether anyone has actually done it or not.

But that's like I was saying, it seems on all OSes the mouse options seem pretty half-assed. I guess most people just don't care about mouse settings.
Which is probably why the "gaming mice" typically come with gimmicky software just to make it easier for us to do shit which should already be easy.

>>62094999
>>62095011
Debian testing has 4.12. If you'd rather run stable you could just pin the linux-source package from testing and run the rest of the OS on stable.

>install along side windows
>windows it becomes impossible to use linux
This is some bullshit, Ubuntu was suppose to be the normie linux, this is what I get for trying new things, I guess it's back to xubuntu for me.
Good thing I'm setting up a new pc and nothing is lost.

>>62092142
you suck

>>62089496
That's practically every GNU/Linux distro.

>>62089820
Install paludis.

>>62090462
>Projecting this hard

>>62094526
Help me understand, anon.

>>62095714
Do you even know what 'projecting' means?

>>62089496

>daily driver
>normie
>botnet

I suggest your look into stop being absolutely retarded, you idiot.

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>install Manjaro in VM
>pacman -Syu
>install wine
>get battle.net launcher
>nothing works
fuck me

>Install Ubuntu in VM
>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
>get wine
>get battle.net launcher
>nothing works
wow


The only thing keeping me from switching to leenuks is WoW, and I can't get it to work...

>>62095723
Do you?

>>62095716

Why do you adopt opinions about things you have no idea about? How can you consider them true?

There is no "best" package manager.
You don't know anything about programming. You don't know what "unstable" means in this context (hint: nothing, it's a buzzword). You don't know what you mean with "clusterfuck".
You don't know anything about Python. You don't know what any of those files (and their symlinks) are.

There is no help for idiots like you. Stop talking about things you don't understand and stop adopting opinions about them and passing them on.

>>62095746
I asked because it's such a random thing to ask after reading my post, so I just assume you don't even know what it means and just regurgitate meme ad hominems without even thinking if it actually makes sense to use them, given the context.

>>62095733
Not very surprising. Have you tried doing all of that on a live usb session instead? You might have better luck.

>>62095733
wow works perfectly fine, you're just retarded

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>>62095733
Install wine-staging (wine with the latest development patches)
See instructions on wine-staging.com

>>62094151
>>62094397
You can use the property names to xinput like >>62090113 says

>>62096147
define "desktop"

>>62096182
Nevermind, I'm retarded.

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>>62095901
ay thanks for the tip my man, got it to work!
Guess I'm installing leenugs after all

>how do I upvote on this website?

How to get multi touch trackpad gestures in ubuntu?

hey does Linux Mint fix their security issue every one was talking about a few month ago ?

I want to try LMDE, it seems it's a semi-rolling like Manjaro but with debian repo

>make the amazon app depend on the most important package in the system
https://askubuntu.com/questions/760204/how-to-remove-the-unity-amazon-package-in-16-04

what the fuck! there is no way to remove the botnet from ubuntu?

Complete Beginner here and about to install Debian 9.
Which desktop enviroment is better? GNOME or Cinnamon?

>>62096989
GNOME is an abortion, go with Cinnamon.

>>62096989
i really don't recommend you install debian as a beginner. it is not designed for beginners - please do use ubuntu instead

>>62096989
Depends on your preferences. I'd recommend Gnome because it's the standard DE.

>>62096950
seriously don't remove it. I ran into stupid issues when I did this
>>62078451
>>62078468
>>62078514
>>62078729
just don't touch it.

>>62097006
Why not?

>>62096989
Quads of true
Quads — because of Debian 9

>>62097006
Bullshit.

>>62097043
someone a bit ago in fglt installed debian as a beginner and ran into a lot of pain. manual setting up of sudo/wheel group threw him off, debian does not by default enable apparmor or any other security features, etc. ubuntu exists to improve debian for beginners.

>>62097070
I agreed debian is not for beginner and can provide a misleading image of the difficulty of Linux

>>62096999
Why an abortion?
I like that it has a nice modern look but at the same time that might be counterproductive because I am so used to WIndows 7 and Cinnamon looks more like 7, more clean and clear.

>>62097070
Well, I do not intend to use Debian heavily, just for some uni stuff like data evaluation, ploting, LateX, minor coding. And I think at this level of usage it really does not matter what disto to pick, or does it?

>>62097123
unless you have a reason to use debian over ubuntu, please use ubuntu. it's designed for beginners and will be a lot easier for you to use.

>>62097136
But doesn't Ubunutu also have that Amazon botnet thing?

>>62097166
no it doesn't. stop falling for memes. first it was only enabled in unity, and you aren't going to use unity. and it was disabled long ago. you really need to stop falling for shit you read on /g/.

>>62097166
it was removed ages ago. And even back there you could remove it easily.

>>62097179
>>62097206
Guess I will try Ubunutu first then. Thanks for the help all

Ubuntu need to die already, Canonical take the dumbest decision :

>dev ur own DE, make it difficult to be installed on other distro
>dev ur own Wayland : Mir, splitting the community and make the dev of a new X server slower
>put an amazon botnet by default (removed since 16.04)
>abort Unity and Mir, make it a total waste of time
>go on Gnome even if our apps are in Qt
>spend month trying to mod it to make it look like Unity
>look ugly, doesn't even have global menu

>>62097277
i duno man werks fine on my machine

>>62097179
>>62097206
Liars

>>62097166
It's not really bot net, it's just there as a referral link, like how youtubers put affiliate links for a product in the description.

>>62097247
prepare to be comfy

>>62097277
They should have sticked to unity.

>>62097206
Lies.

>>62097285
every modern distro with up to date packages will works fine on your machine, u should stay on Ubuntu if it already installed, but I wouldn't recommand it for a new install

>>62097309
>>>/b/
and stay there.

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>>62097322

>>62097375
haha wow i sure can tell a lot just from the name of something :DDD!
capcha wrong calle

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>>62097322
Not him, but I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 and it's still there.

>>62097395
>he's using ubuntu

>>62097375
>>62097395
again, the issue is only with unity. but having icons / names of packages doesn't prove shit. it may still be there, but the """botnet""" bit isn't.

>I want to install XYZ
>No don't, get Ubunutu instead
>ok
>no, wtf are you doing, don't get Ubuntu

>>62097430
haha wow it's almost as if people have differing opinions

>>62097422
>hurr durr it's just an icon
what do you think the javascript file does, retard?

>>62097441
you're missing the point. the "botnet" part is no longer enabled by default. it doesn't mean the functionality from the package isnt.
you have the reading comprehention of an american

>>62097413
>not using unity
Why would you not use the comfiest DE

>>62097422
I said that here>>62097308
But the program is tied into ubuntu, so it can't be uninstalled and if you do the work arounds to remove it, you end up fucking up some python libraries and then you can't install certain programs that depend on those packages. >>62079155

>>62097476
>Why would you not use the comfiest DE
but I am, my custom DE with i3 is perfect

>>62097476
why remove it? just forbid any access and execution of it

I want to try a different distribution.

Is Nix any good?

>>62097587
i duno anon how about you try it

>>62097596
Good point.

Most non autistic distro and DE I can use as someone who just writes reports and browses the internet.

>>62097669
Fedora.

>>62097676
The name alone makes me think this is bait.

>>62097669
ubuntu

>>62097690
It's not. That's what Linus uses.

>>62097669
ubuntu / ubuntu mate / lubuntu
basically ubuntu with your de of choice

>>62097690
it is, it's a beta testing distro for RHEL

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 there is nothing to do
[*] No AUR updates found!

REEEEE wine staging has been broken on arch for more than one week now. fuck these amateurs. fuck linux.

>>62097730
install gentoo

>>62097730
>uses bleeding edge
>expects it to work
hmmmm

>>62097730
>using a beta testing distro with package made by hobbyist
>thinking it's the linux ecosytem

>>62097730
>>62097735
>>62097739
>>62097745
2 weeks now
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/55128
it's my fault for using a distro maintained by otakus.

>>62097756
use a distro that remunerate dev to actually works on, like ubuntu, fedora or opensuse

>>62097756
I also got tired of retarded maintainers/developers and went to Gentoo. It's the logical next step once you realize that Arch is a steaming pile of shite.

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>>62097745
it's actually a community package, not even a AUR one.

>>62097786
>ubuntu
south african botnet. rejected by Richard M. Stallman (PhD) itself.

>>62097786
>fedora
redhat cia botnet

>>62097786
>opensuse
>https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles
>ctrl-f "privacy" -> 0 of 0
into the trash it goes.

>>62089575
My only suggestion would be to read the Arch wiki on i3 very carefully and determine what Antergos devs have done in their default setup. Antergos is a decent distro, but they've implemented some tweaks here and there that are outside the norm. When I tried it out I was having some severe issues with their version of GDM login manager, for instance. I think I fixed it by removing Antergos repos from pacman.conf and reinstalling GDM, thus leaving me with just the Arch repos and pure vanilla packages.

>>62097879
what's that anon? if it's rejected by mr stallman with a phd it's bad? so i take it you use libreboot, open hardware, everything on your pc is free software and you don't run non-libre JS? protip: 4chan uses non-free js - this is rejected by stallman himself with a phd...

>>62096950
FUCK YOU CANONICAL

>>62090192
This gay wizard shit is what is preventing me from using Sourcemage. This can only appeal to the lowest level neckbearded, larping, basement dweller.

>>62097987
it's clearly too sophisticated for you anon...

>>62097945
>not using a gpl 4chan client

>>62097987

>some shitty superficial, unimportant thing like package manager command names that can be aliased are preventing him
>not the fact that it's a shitty niche distribution, maintained by not even a handful of people, not even close to the amount of packages other distributions offer and with nothing substantially revolutionizing offering to the table

Sure it is, sure it is, you fucking idiot. Ironic how you accuse others of larping, but you're the one roleplaying an advanced Linux distribution user and lying online.

>>62098009
>ignoring the rest of the points

>>62097879
> he think a distro made by hobbyist is good for his privacy

>>62090649
Any feature, in any software, can be considered bloat if you choose to see things from the point of view of a moron. Bash vs Zsh arguments are possibly one the most retarded things I see on this board.

>>62097701
Linus has no idea how a distro works, he uses Fedora because it's easy to install. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s

>>62097987
don't bully the wizards

>>62098078
i agree with him, ive always had problems with debian based distros (including buntus) whereas fedoras always worked for me

>>62098155
linus never had any issues. he said that in the 90s debian was hard to install, so he didn't use it. you can't agree with him if you dont know what he said

>>62097043
Nothing against Debian, but their installer is about as reliable as shit. In my lifetime of using Linux, Debians installer has had about a 60% success rate at installing or not fucking up one of my drives.

>>62098207

maybe ur just dumb son

>>62098216
maybe it's just shit son

>>62098025
t. harry potter

>>62098204
yes, problems installing them and getting them to work. fedoras always just worked

>>62097492
Hi Luke

>>62096901
If you want a rolling distro, just switch to Debian's testing branch. They even ship with Cinnamon, minus the bloat and frankendebian-tier packaging

>>62098431
Jake?

>>62098532
woah hi Mark!
capcha m503 martin

NEW THREAD

>>62098562
>>62098562
>>62098562