Look, I'm a fucking idiot. Please can someone explain the

>>62086285
It's around 100$ cheaper

gems are for you to find

>>62086285
Cheaper, can gain skills that let you do more with your computer, much less spyware, better resource management, don't have to worry about having a valid key, install on multiple machines, you can make changes and do so legally, etc.

>>62086285
A lot of people like to actually be in control of their computer, which, using a non-linux OS does not provide.

Also it makes you look cool. Well, normies will think you're weird but who cares about them?

>>62086374
but TempleOS lets me control my computer. you god damn cia nigger.

>>62086285
More pleasant user experience if you are not a fan of the rather limited one of windows.

That's really about it until you start getting into philosophical BS.

>>62086285
You don't get spied on as much.

>>62086297
>>62086299
>>62086374
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>>62086401
reddit spacing pls leave

>>62086285
If you don't need CAD/Adobe software, it's often much faster than Windows/OSX and allows for a lot more customization. Also if you do any sort of developer work it's much nicer on Linux.

>>62086429
mods please

>>62086285
http://whylinuxisbetter.net/en/

>>62086429
What is reddit spacing?

>>62086429

You're trying way too hard to fit in. Why don't you go back?

>>62086553
anything you don't agree with right away.

>>62086285
it's easier to hack you

>>62086429
Only two of those even have reddit spacing, you autistic retard.

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>>62086285
aesthetic hacker desktops

>>62086285
You can install loonix and be cool haxor. Just like the guy from Mr. Robot/ He also uses Gnome, but I'm actually on KDE myself.

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>>62086285
Stable.
Package management - all your applications are kept up to date without having to hunt for installers.
No telemetry.
More customization options.

Try out Linux mint cinnamon or Ubuntu 16.04.
See >>/fglt/

Faster, cheaper and more versatile than Windows.
The philosophical aspect is not interesting for the average normie user.

>>62086285
None. Legit answer anon.
Do you like being some edgy /g/ user that shows off his desktop with nothing but a background? Then there's your answer.
- Hardly any games.
- constantly configuring everything
- things will always break
Sure, Linux is nice for something like servers, but these guys are not doing anything on it but listening to music, playing a shitty emulator and watching anime, also being here.
- BUT I will say that Linux encrypts your shit which is cool

If you enjoy shit working and being able to get shit fixed by anyone but /g/, good luck.

Just get windows 8.1 and be happy (I say this cause 7 only has 3 more years of support).

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>>62086285
Better security, better stability, no spying, no forced updates, no ads in the OS, better file systems, better backwards compatibility, many desktop environments to choose from with only one settings panel. The list goes on and on. It's not perfect but it's pretty damn good. It's also scalable and portable. It runs on nearly any architecture and can be run on the tiniest micro controller or the largest super computer or even a space station. Retards from /v/ will bitch about how horrible it is because they can't figure out how to use it or it doesn't run a specific program, not realizing that this is the fault of the devs who made the programs Windows only and close source, not the Linux or distro devs.

Anyways, I recommend Sparky Linux with XFCE for beginners.

>>62086553
you can think of it kinda like double-spaced linespacing on documents

people have been using that typing style for as long as 4chan has been around pretty much

only recently have fuckboys been calling it """reddit spacing""".

Basically anything that autismos don't like is considered a reddit thing, even if it originates from 4chan.

>>62086285
Faster, Safer, Cheaper, Freeer

>>62087344
How can a single line reply be spaced like you described?

>>62087261
What's his name?

>>62087294
/thread

>>62087412
>>>62087261
>What's his name?
i too like to know his name for research

>>62087044
>4h20m
Dude weed lmao

>>62086285
Why is it always Linux that needs defending?

Given that Microsoft is the one that actually costs money, shouldn't it be the one explaining itself?

>>62086285
Why did Microsoft implement a Linux layer on Windows?

Everything breaks constantly, usability is lied about and nothing is ever really accessible to the average person without reading a manual.

In other words, it's like Windows, except it doesn't spy on you and people are honest about how garbage it is. So I think it wins on that basis.

>>62088650
It's the default for a reason so it doesn't need to.

>"A car is more expensive so the pogo stick, so I shouldn't be defending riding a pogo stick to work, you should defend having a car!"
The advantages of a car are obvious.

>>62088732
*>than a

>>62088732
but a pogo stick can't do everything a car can.

>>62088732
Except it's more like defending a Toyota over a BMW when the "premium" product is mostly a toy for chads.

>>62087261
gingerpuss. there's a subreddit with her name.

>>62088732
>two very different things is the same as two very similar things

No.

>default for a reason
Because the majority of people don't know very much about computers to begin with and go with what is comfortable. Windows got in early and now people can't change without feeling uncomfortable and getting upset. It's not like the majority even directly choose Windows, but instead it comes as the default OS on the ready made laptop/pc they buy. For most of those people, the OS isn't even something they understand as just an option for your computer, but instead they see it as the part of the computer itself.

I get that /g/ might find it hard to understand how the majority see's this stuff, but they honestly aren't very tech literate, and something like "Operating system" or "kernel" goes right over their head.

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>>62086285
>>62086374
>>62086469
>>62087158
>>62087294
>>62087334
>>62088650
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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>>62087412
>>62088151
>>62088810
Aka puddems

>>62086285
1. More stable
2. Functional terminal
3. Package managers are great
4. More customizable
5. Normies think you're a hacker

>>62087044
how'd you get the prompt for your terminal looking like that?

>>62088933
what are package managers

>>62088925
Still looking for that alledged video of her and faymougles

>>62088992
Type some hacker shit into the terminal and your whole system is updated without restarting.

>>62088749
Linux can't do everything Windows can.

>>62088761
Have you ever driven a BMW? They're REALLY nice. After driving one you see why people prefer them over Toyotas.

Windows puts the equivalent of a BMW on every desktop, so you need to justify why users should take the step down.

>>62089036
Windows is a 20 year old BMW with a broken radiator.

>>62088992
Not retarded software management tools.

Basically, "Install mpv libreoffice firefox" and it gets it done.

"Update everything" and it updates all software and the OS.

There is no retarded sequence of "next" clicking for installs, and not every application has to invent its own special way how to update itself, plus then windows update for Microsoft's bits.

This is the shit that inspired smartphone app package managers, just with more control (you can configure a whole lot if you WANT to).

>>62089036
>Windows puts the equivalent of a BMW on every desktop
2/10 work on your subtlety

>>62088819
>Chrome wins out over IE
>"I...it's because people are sheeple and install it because Google tells them!"

>Windows wins out over Linux
>"People don't know how to switch! They just use whatever they're given!"

>>62089036
> Linux can't do everything Windows can.
True, but it can do far more than Windows can.

Which is why it's used for everything but end user desktops (which are now mainly on smartphone OS' - particularly the Linux kernel based Android).
Of course on the other end of the typical Android app is a Linux server, in case said app uses servers.

>>62089083
Name a more expensive OS that people would buy if they could afford.

>>62089125
a Mac

OP here
so, for example, if i put linux on my windows pc, how difficult would it be to get it to a point where it can do (basically) everything windows does for me currently?
The security and customisation of linux appeals to me, but i'm by no means an expert in computers or much of an enthusiast and enjoy the ease of windows. Is it basically just a case of reading up and teaching myself how to get everything working how i want it to?

>>62089143
Well what do you do on Windows?

>>62089143
>so, for example, if i put linux on my windows pc, how difficult would it be to get it to a point where it can do (basically) everything windows does for me currently?
That depends what exactly you do currently with Windows.

For people who mainly use web browser, email, and watch anime and porn images it's there right after installing and booting it.

Which, if done with a typical GUI installer, takes like 20 minutes or so to complete on a regular machine, maybe faster on a SSD and booting off a fast USB3 stick.

>>62086285
We have this thread everyday. Try it if you're curious, use it if you like it, don't seek validation from people online and specially not from cancerous imageboards.

>>62089125
people don't usually know they are paying for a windows license and often don't even know the difference between the OS and the hardware. windows to normies is just "the computer", they have no other mental concept of PCs

>>62089143
>Is it basically just a case of reading up and teaching myself how to get everything working how i want it to?
Yes, basically. The internet documents virtually everything somewhere.

Also, it's probably not like you need to arrange EVERY button in your file manager or anything. Doesn't generally even make sense.

You have various pieces of software that, by and large, have sensible defaults for a wide audience. If you start with a close match, maybe you don't have to customize much at all.

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>>62089143
I suggest dual booting Windows and Linux while you're getting comfortable with it. Super easy to setup and you can ditch back and forth if you need to.

Good beginner distros include Ubuntu and Linux mint.

>>62089195
So why aren't you making billions by undercutting the entire PC market?

>>62089210
This desu fampai. Ubuntu has excellent documentation and forums. Mint is based on Ubuntu so nearly everything applied there as well

>>62089229
End users don't change their habits easily.

But sure as fuck companies are saving billions by running Linux servers and by making their larger appliances run Linux.

>>62089271
>End users don't change their habits easily.
But I thought they didn't know the difference?

>>62089271
>But sure as fuck companies are saving billions by running Linux servers and by making their larger appliances run Linux.
Well yes. Most server software bypasses the OS APIs for performance reasons. If you're basically not going to use the OS, why would you pay for a fully featured professional product like Windows?

>>62089155
>>62089177
Mostly normal stuff. web, email, torrent, watch films, got a big music collection. i also use adobe apps quite a bit but have another computer for that (i know they don't run on linux anyway).

>>62089208
Thanks. With regards to customisation of the file manager and things like that, is it always a case of doing it all myself? or are there presets (or whatever) that i can install

>>62089210
Thanks, I'll look into it. Seem like the way to go for now.

>>62089309
> But I thought they didn't know the difference?
Not actually my argument back there, that was another anon, but I'd say there is a huge number of people who couldn't easily tell, yea.

Coincidentally we're probably moving them to Android if they're not already moved (majority of end users and majority of devices and majority of human time is there already). They can't handle either Linux or Windows.

The real user base of Linux is mostly people who CAN tell, and who want some sysadmin powers.

> Well yes. Most server software bypasses the OS APIs for performance reasons.
Nah, Linux features are very extensively used across all typical server stacks. From conventional webserver to clouds doing virtualization or massive parallel processing with a lot of automatic scaling to whatever hardware is in the cluster.

>>62087044
Which browser?

>>62089335
>web, email
Firefox and Thunderbird.
>torrent, watch
Torrent clients and media players are easy to find. There are lots to choose from. Some of the most popular ones have Linux versions, I believe.
>music
There are also a few good music managers.

Depending on what distro you install, it will have default programs to manage media and music. You won't have to look for things and configure it all yourself unless you want to.

As for customization presets, again, depends on the distro. But you can do a lot without too much effort.

>>62088819
>For most of those people, the OS isn't even something they understand as just an option for your computer, but instead they see it as the part of the computer itself.
That's pretty much what they teach in schools. Your understanding of "computers" is defined by how well you can use Microsoft Office and Windows Explorer.

>>62089335
> Mostly normal stuff. web, email, torrent, watch films, got a big music collection.
No problem with these. Lots of nice software to choose from for each of these.

> Thanks. With regards to customisation of the file manager and things like that, is it always a case of doing it all myself?
Nay. Some have themes and stuff, others just had people publish their settings files.

Plus to begin with, just using DIFFERENT pieces of software offers you a lot of different "customization" anyhow. I think there are a dozen or more file managers available in most distros, for instance, and they generally can be configured quite extensively even before you touch configuration files and plugins and such which often allow even more stuff.

>>62089036
>Linux can't do everything Windows can.
Name one thing Windows can do that Linux can't, that is part of the OS and not an individual program.

>>62089406
> Some of the most popular ones have Linux versions, I believe.
Uh, yes qBittorrent, deluge and transmission come more from Linux than Windows, I think.

Same as mpv, the lineage of that player (and ffmpeg itself) is more anchored in Linux than on Windows.

And Vuze / Azureus also has been on Linux for as long as I remember. Plus of course it has Tribler and more, too.

>>62086285
>no tracking
>no botnet
>no spyware
>no forced updates
>almost all windows software works in wine with the exception of some post-SJW era games which nobody plays anyway
>free
>brings instant life back to very old computers
>no pajeet faggots can figure it out
>frustrates cia niggers

>>62089515
report your browsing habits to redmond, it's part of the OS now

>>62089835
>no tracking
You can't avoid most (internet-based) tracking by using Linux. They log and track on servers and probably on interconnects and other places - the internet infrastructure itself.

Other than that, I agree. At least not every piece of software is botnet that reports home and all that.

>>62089515
Be as good as Windows.

>>62089876
>You can't avoid most (internet-based) tracking by using Linux.
You can avoid much of it with a proper browser and ad blocking.

Windows has tracking built into the OS now.

>>62086285

If you have to get reasons and figure it out, just stick to Windows.

This is not an elitist post. Linux is simply for people who are interested in programming or over their freedom to compute.

If you have to ask for reasons, you are not interested. That is not wrong. Windows is awesome nowadays (starting from 7). Enjoy your life, and have a nice day. Us Linux faggots will continue to do likewise.

>>62089402
firefox with my edit of twily's css
>>62088944
search engines bend to my will

What gives! I just restarted my computer (after using Linux), booted into Windows, and now all my (you)s are gone.

testing testing

>>62088925
So porn is what reddit is for, now I get it!

>>62086285
This poster thinks you are a machine.