/pcbg/ - PC Building General - qt Edition

>>62039934
>>62039934


>>62039866

where do you see anything refurbished

also logysis makes very good non-branded PSUs

if it dies he can buy a 30 dollar EVGA

the rest of your complaints are just trying to save face

you're literally trying to defend a slower CPU and worse GPU for the same total price as a fucking 1070 build and one of the fastest CPUs ryzen has that's multithreaded


and just to prove /pcbg/ is shit, you were going blindly with the fucking EVO ssd when the fucking CS1311 PNY series is the fastest SSD of any size

go shill more

>>62040019
>if it dies he can buy a 30 dollar EVGA
Yeah and what if it takes the rest of the system with it into the grave?

>>62040057

the mobo would sense an issue and shut down, dumbass

you think this is the fucking 90s or something?

>>62040019
You need to stop shitting the thread, lad.

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>>62039934
What's a small htpc case with one(1) half height pcie slot?

>>62040057
>>62040086

i bought a fucking Seasonic S12II PSU and it died in less than year, started shutting down randomly, my WD Black HDD had zero effects in terms of dead sectors cause the mobo (the cheapest 1150 socket) senses the issue and shut down

meanwhile i replaced that 80 dollar fucking "name brand, we're the only PSU maker who also manufactures it so u know its quality" with the cheapest EVGA which is only 80+ rated and zero issues

it also comes black sleeved (not that i care)

wheres all the fucking ryzen compatible ram

gskill selection on newegg is all intel shit

>>62040152
>actually being this dumb

>>62040152
>ryzen compatible ram
???????????

>>62040183
>>62040185

lol?

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf

most ram out there wont actually hit the advertised speed on a am4 board

>>62040019
Are you that stupid to think that 1600x is faster than 1600? They're the same damn chip and the exact reason why no one should ever buy 1800x when 1700 exists.

>>62040222

OH KNOW MY 0.001% PERFORMANCE IMPACT

>>62040247

faster clock speeds faget

>>62040261
So you're that guy who buys K series cpu and leaves it at stock.

>>62040019
>reddit spacing

>where do you see anything refurbished
literally just read reviews on amazon page for that hdd. it's an old OEM model. it would be a miracle if it survives a year.

>if it dies he can buy a 30 dollar EVGA
you're literally retarded. it could take his whole build with him. cheaping out on a psu is autistic.
>the mobo would sense an issue and shut down
this isn't how it works.

>the rest of your complaints are just trying to save face
nice argument, retard. shitty hynix ram that's not on QVL and it'll be stuck on 2133mhz meaning you already lost on 8% of performance.
mobo with only 2 ram slots IS an issue. if he wanted to upgrade he'd have to sell his old ram.

>you're literally trying to defend a slower CPU
you know you can OC 1600 to 1600x levels with absolutely no efford? 1600x is a bait for retards that are too scared to OC by themselves or want 4.0Ghz

>and worse GPU for the same total price as a fucking 1070 build
my build was $100 cheaper.

>CS1311 PNY series is the fastest SSD of any size
absolute bullshit. first off you picked CS1111. CS1311 is still slower and both are budget-tier ssd while 850 evo is faster and has 2 years more warranty.

go kill yourself and stop shitting up my thread.

>>62040277

yes

>>62040288

so then buy the next expensive HDD

okay so then buy the fucking cheapest EVGA and the cheapest case

hes not fucking OC'ing he said its his first ever build, he knows nothing

your build was cheaper because it was shit

go recommend more builds with meme pc cases that have windows and slower ram memory

>>62040406
stop with the reddit spacing.
>cheapest EVGA and the cheapest case
budget psus are not for gayming. cheapest case will give you shit airflow, won't have usb 3.0, terrible build quality, and might be too small for big gpus.

>your build was cheaper because it was shit
it was cheaper because it had 1060 instead of 1070. which is all he needed for playing overwatch

>slower ram memory
99% your 'fast' ram would be stuck on 2133mhz because it's a shitty hynix die that's not on QVL.

>hes not fucking OC'ing he said its his first ever build, he knows nothing
all it takes is changing a few numbers in bios. if he's too stupid for that he should buy a console. not worth paying extra for higher stocks and a shitty cooler

>your build was cheaper because it was shit
said the person who picks literal housefire components
just read reviews on the shit you picked: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148067

>>62040124
please stop embarrassing yourself already

>i bought a fucking Seasonic S12II PSU and it died in less than year
then it was faulty. this is why you have warranty and this could've happened to every psu.

>my WD Black HDD had zero effects in terms of dead sectors
this is not how bad sectors are created.

>cause the mobo(the cheapest 1150 socket) senses the issue and shut down
lmao do you have any idea how it works? mobo has nothing to do with it - it's the PSU that has protections (UVP/OVP, OCP, OTP, SCP, OPP/OLP) and shuts down the PC if something happens. this is why you don't want a shitty no-brand PSU - because the protections may fail and damage your other components.

>calls me a shill while shilling for EVGA

Is it true you shouldn't install firefox or swap ram on an SSD? If it's not, what is the basis of this rumor?

Is there anything I should note about using an SSD as far as computing goes or can I just use it like any regular old hard drive?

>>62040955
Wouldn't worry about it honestly

>>62040955
I've had a Samsung 840 for 5-6 years, use Firefox and have written 28.4TB to it. If I remember correctly, Firefox stores thumbnails or something in the profile folder, which is in AppData, which would be on your SSD. You could create a symbolic link to a hdd for that folder, if that's still the case/an issue.
It takes a lot of time and writing to kill a non-faulty ssd.

>>62040955
https://www.servethehome.com/firefox-is-eating-your-ssd-here-is-how-to-fix-it/
not a huge problem on modern ssds, but still. change "browser.sessionstore.interval" to like 300000 and it's fixed

What's the absolute cheapest case I can get?

Would an i5 6600k with a 1080 be "good" for gaming or would the cpu bottleneck the fuck out of the 1080 to the point it's not justifiable?

>>62041181
You can get a pizza box from Little Caesars for $5 and tax

>>62041181
Cardboard box, Anything from Goodwill, Anything from a Garage Sale.

>>62041211
>>62041214
I'm already in a shoebox, I'm looking for a real upgrade.

>>62041181
To be realistic, a decently featured case would be the rosewill challenger.

>>62041181
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005LIDU5S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503447024&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=micro+atx+case

>>62041226
This is the cheapest case I would ever consider building a computer in

>People getting excited at $315 RX 580s

>>62041346
yeah miners ruined everything
it's a real bummer

>>62041181
Something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unbranded-Gaming-Case-with-PC-power-supply/332343824681

But the shipping will kill it. I would look locally on CL or even hit up a recycling center.

>>62041410
I remember going to a job orientation bakc in June, the trainer was this mid 40s woman and she told me she wanted to build a computer with a high end graphics card cause she hears there's money in mining

So what is a good OS to use in your build for gaming? Is windows 10 as trash as people say?

>>62041431
OH SHIT
I used to have that case, but in black!

>>62041507
Windows 7 dual booted with your distro of choice (or ubuntu if you don't have a distro of choice)

>>62041507
Windows 10 is fine
Just don't pay the full $100 for it

>>62041519
Is windows 7 actually safe to use still? I assumed they stopped updating it and it's still fucked by that ransom ware crap. Also why dualbooting over VM for internet use?

>>62041531
support goes til 2020

dual boot if you don't know how to VM, who cares, it doesn't matter

>>62039934
Should I take GTX 1060 3GB if RX570 is literally 50% more expensive.

>>62041574
>3GB
NO

>>62041574
NO. FOR THE LAST GODDAMN TIME THE 3GB IS WORSE THAN NO GPU AT ALL. JUST GET A 1050TI OR KEEP WAITING

>>62041586
>>62041583
Why tho the benchmarks look ok

how big is the difference between a 1050TI and a 1060?

>>62041613
1060 6gb is around 40% faster on average

>>62041613
Keep in mind the 1060 3GB isn't worth shit due to a lack of vram. Always skip right over it for the 6GB version. You need a minimum of 4 GB for modern games

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jq2tGf

Budget is $1100 for 1440p. Everything from indieshit to AAA garbage. Already have monitor and hard drives and I think this looks pretty good. Looking for any optimizations.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XmhRWX
Is this good? Maybe looking to shave the price down to 1000$ + monitor

>>62041970
Ignore the case stuff btw I'm still looking around for one

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Is Freesync/Gsync irrelevant if you're running an overkill setup like a GTX 1080 on a 1080p 144hz monitor?

>>62041989
No shame in getting a cheap case to save for more hardware.

If you were to build an ultimate Windows XP machine for gaming, what specs would it have? It would run games up to around 2010.

>>62042005
I mean the compatibility issues for it that shows

>>62042000
You won't notice what you are missing out on if that is what you are asking.

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Hi /g/

Would anyone have a good build around the $900 price range?

>>62042108
come back in 6 months and see if gpu prices have normalized

>>62042108
None because GPUs are overpriced. 1100 will net you a nice 1060 6GB build

>>62041941
Anyone?

It's over, Radeon is finished.

>>62042255
Vega is the new bulldozer.

>>62042278
I can't believe how much it sucks. I knew it wouldn't live up to the 1080 Ti hype levels it was receiving but the power draw is just absolutely inexcusable. At some point you just need to scrap a chip to save face.

>>62042278
now we wait for Navi.
IMO< Vega was never meant to be impressive, just a stop gap to lay the groundwork for Navi

>>62042120
>>62042124
Good to know

Thanks anons!

>>62042255
yeah stocks are finished worldwide

>>62042322
>Hyped for years
>Poor Volta
>Everyone sucking HBM2 dick
Hindsight is 20/20 but still fucking funny.

>>62042335
Cool good to see they sold all 85 Vega chips they produced

>>62042335
And none in the hands of gamers.
Not that gamers actually want them anyway. I mean AMD cocksuckers.

>>62042347
The thing that sells me on Navi is the scalability. AMD has proven it's fantastic with Ryzen. So I'm waiting for scalable Navi GPUs. until then, I'll probably grab a 580 once prices normalize.

>>62042380
By the time the 580 normalizes if it ever does, Volta's 60 series will be out and probably blow the 580 out of the water.

>>62042255
They need the Jim Keller of GPUs at this point

>>62042322
>now we wait for Navi.
>Navi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzKwTcGO_0&feature=youtu.be&t=2m11s

>>62042363
https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/900092763651416068

>>62042531
>570
How about they give away one their current gen cards. You don't see Nvidia giving away 960s anymore.

Will i be likely to regret not getting a 1600 over a 1500x if the delta is only 45 CAD before tax?

>>62042666
Yes. The difference between the two is huge.

>>62042666
6 cores : 12 threads
4 cores : 8 threads

>>62042682
>>62042673
Thanks

Can a 600 W PSU (2 rails, 22 A each) run a GTX 980Ti and my old i5-2500k while I save money for a Ryzen build? (I can run the i5 @ stock if needed).

I've read reviews and it easily provided 650 W, but I'm concerned about the current here.

>>62042811
Yes, a well built 600 PSU can run whatever single card you want, I've seen a guy run an HD7870 and FX8150 on an HX520.

>>62042834
A well built 600 PSU won't run a single card liquid cooled overclocked Vega64.

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Thoughts on the Thermaltake Suppressor F-51?

>>62042880
>Sidepanels with fan vents
Shit

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>>62042880
I'm not even a fan of those silent cases with the door, but that one looks really nice with the io on the top, it doesn't catch on your headphones like a Corsair 550D would.

>>62042834
Can I just add up the max currents on each rail? I really have no clue how (or if) the rails work separately.

>>62042891
The sidepanel has optional fan vents that are by default padded with sound dampening material and filters. The case is sealed, but you can add fans and remove soundproofing in making concessions for enhanced airflow as needed.

>>62042908
I don't know shit about PSUs either, but it's obviously not a joke if it's got 2 12V rails.

>>62042880
Just buy the Fractal R5 that they copied instead.
ThermalFake - Not even once.

>>62042908
>>62042917
Single powerful 12V rail is best. You want as many amps as possible on one rail.

>>62042921
According to the review I'm watching, the guy was a big fan of Fractal's cases and is saying that Thermaltake basically stole their design and improved on it.

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>>62042880
>>62042921
For comparison

>>62042908
One rail = One series circuit.
If you know your physics, you should know how voltage and current works.

>>62042929
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cases/leo-waldock/thermaltake-suppressor-f51-and-water-3-0-ultimate/

>>62042910
>Sidepanels
Not even once. There is a reason why modern cases no longer have sidepanels. Turns out all they do is create airpockets that hamper airflow rather than aid it.

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>Making budget build with 1050ti and plan to upgrade in future with 1080 or 1070.
Any decent motherboards to go along with this plan?

All my other components are set up to go great with the upgrade in the future except for my mobo. I'm overwhelmed by motherboards and can't get a solid pick.

>>62042946
>There is a reason why modern cases no longer have sidepanels.
What the fuck do you call the sides of the case, then? Are caseless cases a thing I'm just not noticing?

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This is my current setup.
Is this a good idea?
I want positive pressure.
I have a S340 and the front intakes are filtered and through a small gap which is why I switch one of the top exhaust to intake.

>>62042929
>>62042939
He's comparing it to the Define S, which is not what it is. It's a shameless ripoff of the Define R5.
That's almost all ThermalFake does. They rip off existing designs and shit out cheap, degraded copies of them from a factory in China. They're a morally bankrupt company and supporting their actions means not supporting the people that actually come up with the designs you like, and is bad for the industry as a whole.

>>62042959
I mean sidepanels with fan vents.

>>62042968
>not doing all intakes
ultimate positive pressure + filters = no dust guarantee

>>62042933
Actually I'm finishing my Electronic Engineering degree, but never cared to give it a thought until now that I'm planning to buy a 980Ti.

Also, there's not much information around the diagrams of the rails.

>>62042968
Just run the front fans at a higher speed. You don't need them going full bore anyways. Intake around 1000-1200 RPM, and exhaust around 500-800 RPM. Negligible temperature change, drastically quieter, and positive pressure. You're welcome.

>>62042981
That's all the case industry is, though.

>>62042991
Then all the hot air is trapped in your case.

>>62043000
Front 2 intakes are ran off PSU so they are full speed all the time. Top intake is tied to CPU temps so it varies. Exhaust are all fixed at 80% speed. Not worried about noise, I just wonder if that is a good setup or not.

>>62042811
Don't worry about the number of rails unless it's a cheap shit power supply. If it's well designed, each rail will be able to put out enough power to run whatever can be connected to that rail. If it only has x amount of PCIE power cables on one rail? That's because it doesn't have the amperage on that rail to connect any more.

>>62042995
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/power-supply-specifications-atx-reference,review-32338-2.html

>>62043020
>Front 2 intakes are ran off PSU so they are full retard all the time
You don't say? The only fan that should be tied to your CPU temperature is your CPU cooler. Plug those front fans into your motherboard, and set up a fan profile. You'll get better results that way than trying to intake and exhaust from the same panel.

>>62043044
My motherboard only has 3 fan headers. 1 for the CPU. The other 2 is 1 exhaust and one top intake.

>No ultracheap cases this week so I can just buy something to put these fucking parts in
fkfjksf

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>>62043087
1.: You have a shitty motherboard.
2.<---

>>62043114
>not just using a milkcrate
it's like you don't even want a computer

>>62043120
>You have a shitty motherboard.
It is the B350 that everyone recommends.

>>62039934
which x399 mobo to get? msi has decent reviews.

>>62043184
Yes

>>62043020
>Then all the hot air is trapped in your case.
uhh no its squirted out of all your vents

>>62043218
Not fast enough to keep it well ventilated.

What cheap mini itx case would you recommend?
Currently looking at a Cooler Master Elite 130 or a Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini

>Watch HardwareCanucks case review
>Feature of case malfunctions and can no longer be properly used the first time he touches it
>Laughs it off and goes on sucking off NZXT

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With how shit everything is is it a good idea to buy a prebuilt yet?

>>62043218
>>62043228
This argument would be a lot better if either of you had a source for your claims.

>>62043270
honestly if you are tired of waiting and see an amazing deal yes.

Only problem is that the MOBOs are usually shit and the producers love to solder in those CPUs to their motherboards.

If you are sure its a good deal pull the trigger and upgrade from then on.

>>62043244
fd node 202 or 304

>>62043316
ltt tested fan configurations
cable management made zero difference even if stuffing the case with a comical amount of wires
fan configuration (number of intakes vs outtakes) made 1 or 2 degree difference

>>62043270
>Only one stick of ram and it's 2400mhz
>4gb version of 580
>PSU isn't named so most likely cheap chink shit that blows up when you boot it up
>64gb ssd lmao

I wouldn't touch it. Whatever that FREE***** means.

So how long in advanced should one plan out their build? I'm gonna have about 1500 by late December. Should I plan out the build now or wait until maybe a month or so before due to how frequently prices seem to change?

>>62042949
Not only is that a stupid plan, but you cannot get an answer without specifying what your platform is.

>>62043414
Case, HDD and PSU prices aren't going anywhere. Also high end GPUs are gonna gonna stay the same or get a sale because miners don't want them like anon earlier got 1080 Ti for less than 700 dollars.

>Ponder the Thermaltake Suppressor F-51
>Realize the door can only be hinged one way
And that killed it, because my desktop is most commonly to the left of me.

>>62043561
Oh okay cool so I can relatively safely assume the current $1560 build I've got will more or less stay in the same price range then?

Will 1070s ever be sub $400? I guess there's always the Vega 56 provided I can get one near launch.

>>62043414
RAM and SSD prices are gonna go up, GPU will not sink for a long time. Ryzen CPUs probably won't be seeing lower prices until they're obsolete. Might as well buy your shit now

>>62043600
>Decided I wanted mATX build with mobo laying down to prevent any stress on the PCIe slot
>Only two choices of Air 240 and Core V21
>Air 240 looked much better, had more room for cable management
>Apparently one of the cable routing slots gets squished by HDD bay and GPU is too tall and fat to fit in

Wanting something niche is tough.

>Someone on CL selling a GTX 1070 for $350
I feel like it's a trap.

>>62043803
T R A P
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Jesus fucking christ

I'm looking for a sub-$20 monitor. Size and resolution are irrelevant, must support HDMI.

>>62043952
>go to amazon
>tick "under $25"

>>62044006
>3.5 inch raspberry pi monitor
I already did that, I'm hoping someone can beat this shit.

>>62044009
Head out to your local good will or thrift store in general. Garage sales as well.

>>62044048
I guess I will, thanks.

>>62043952
Any nearby colleges? They usually have their old hardware up for sale somewhere, not uncommon to find decent Dell monitors for ~$20. Might not have HDMI but HDMI to VGA should work.

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I thought you guys said that Ryzen was supposed to be pretty cool? This is a simple 3.8GHz overclock on the stock cooler.

>>62044425
Ambient?

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For use with 4.6k RAW video editing and colour grading.
Any chance i could get smooth playback within premiere at atleast 1080p?

>>62044439
idle temps are around 50C, it underclocks to 1.5 GHz but the fan is still going like crazy

>>62039934
she's ugly af

>>62044485
t. salty white girl

>>62044483
>Idles around 50c
What the fuck?!
You live in the desert son?

>>62044520
contrary, I live ~300 mi south of the Arctic Circle
I fucked up the installation I guess. Or, maybe the case is shitty

>>62044547
Your CPU is supposed to idle at most 12 degrees above ambient. Even if it is on a stock cooler. Living in a cold climate and having a 50 degrees ambient means you fucked it up somewhere.

>>62044520
To be fair, my i5 4460 idles at around 50*C.

>>62044631
As for how, I consider it a mix of Intel, Alienware, and Microsoft all doing what they do best. Fucking users in the ass.

>>62044631
How are people okay with their CPU idling at 50 degrees. Isn't that like having a heater in your room?! Even if you leave it at idle, 8 hours of usage will still increase your room temperature by a few degrees.

>>62044667
I used to have an ATI card that idled 80*.

>>62044676
ATI cards being space heaters is nothing new or surprising. In fact, if you told me your ATI card ran cool and quiet on air, it would surprise me more.

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>>62044690
Fun fact that may amuse you. ATI is actually the name of a brand of cremation ovens.

>>62044709
Fun fact that may amuse you, AMD fanboys love to call Nvidia cards housefire but for the past 3-4 years AMD cards have ran hotter than Nvidia cards.

>2303RPM/1.356V VID/64C/71W stressed
>1588 RPM/0.962V VID/43C/25W idle
even at default BIOS settings it's still bad, did I lose the silicon lottery?

>>62044780
Post clock speed
Post ambient room temp

>>62044739
nvidia = housefire came from nvidia cards literally starting fires inside houses.

>>62044799
No it wasn't. It was from these pictures.
http://www.geeks3d.com/20100405/infrared-pictures-of-the-geforce-gtx-480/

Does anyone remember what that one SSD that went on a huge sale last black Friday was? I think I'm in the market for one this year and I want a grasp on what a good price for one is.

>>62044814
Samsung Evo. They were 50% off.

3.2Ghz stock
I just got the thermometer, but it should be near 25 degrees Celsius

I'll get two fans on the intake and one on the exhaust and see if that works. Also, the cooler could be loose so I'll tighten it up

>>62044891
18 degrees above ambient on idle @ 25W is bad. Make sure you mounted your cooler right and didn't fuck up your thermal paste.

It's for gaming & light video editing/music creation. 1600$ budget.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yM3Vpb

>>62044964
>Mad Catz mouse

>>62044992
I think it seems like a good mouse. It may look gaymery but it has a thumb holder thing, weight adjustment & DPI adjustment. Is there something wrong with the quality, or Mad Catz itself?

>>62045003
That mouse looks ricer as fuck and is made by Mad Catz itself making it quality suspect. And for 59.99, you can buy a G403.

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I'm thinking of moving up from my two MSI 980s to a nice single-card build with a 1080ti Aorus Extreme.

I know a guy who can hook me up with it for about half price (he works at a warehouse and """acquires""" hardware for friends/clients if the order is for minor quantities).

Is this a distinct upgrade worth the half-price tag?

What are the well reputed Motherboard and RAM manufacturers? ie: not ASrock or ADATA

What do I avoid?

>>62045213
Your performance would be about doubled.

Is there no way to run a 7th or 8th gen Intel cpu on Windows 7? I want to upgrade from my 2600k but not if it means going to Windows 10

>>62045213
Sounds like a good deal. And even if the upgrade isn't mindblowing, it's still about double the power, and if you can knock a few hundred bucks off, then yeah go for it.

Also, how do you people tend to meet these "guys"? I swear I've never even come close to getting a warehouse-worker to hook me up like this.

Man, shopping for cases fucking sucks. Because there's a feature set I want, but no filter for finding a case with all of them.

>>62045226

Thanks. That was was kinda' what I was hoping for too.

>>62045239

My "guy" (as you called him) is a minimum-wage shady guy who has a pretty nasty drug habit. I met him in high school but we only really reconnected when he found out I was into high-end computer parts, and he had a problem to fuel.

I am not sure exactly how he keeps getting away with slipping product away, but I'm guessing that the warehouse's security isn't top notch or he's figured some way to shift blame (fuck if I know, I'm just guessing).

Honestly though I'm not too inquisitive about his methods though. Last I got from him was a 7700K for 100 bucks so I'm not rocking the boat.

Considering I know that he's selling to at least a dozen people, and all of this cash is raw profit, I'm sure he's found himself quite a lucrative niche here.

>>62044452
>1700x
Get a 1700.
>A320
Don't do this.
>$60 Thermaltake fan
At this point I'm pretty sure you're baiting, or did basically no research.

>>62045213
Make sure you have a reason to do it. I assume if you have two 980's you already do, but a 1080Ti is kind of pointless unless you're at 4K, or on a high-refresh rate 1440p display.

But yeah, 1080Ti>SLI 980 every day of the week.

I feel like I should write up a list of design standards and expectations per 2017 in regard to case design. Because still having cases coming out that use slots for the door is fucking disgusting.

>>62045285
>I am not sure exactly how he keeps getting away with slipping product away, but I'm guessing that the warehouse's security isn't top notch or he's figured some way to shift blame (fuck if I know, I'm just guessing).

Having worked in a warehouse before I have an idea how it is done. Whenever a new shipment arrives, a % of the goods are expected to be defective on arrival (such as smashed products or dropped ones) or just plain missing. It is easy enough to mark a few okay products as defective upon arrival and then later sneak them out so long as you don't do it often enough that the management notices that % of goods reported missing/defective is above their expected %. Everyone does it at the warehouses.

>>62045329

Oh I do! I'm a bit of a fps-junkie, and I need 100 to sustain myself (exaggeration obviously, but you'd be surprised how many people don't pick up on that).

It'll be nice to go back to a single-card setup too.

>>62044964
Get an 850 EVO for your SSD, drop the extra case fans, make sure your RAM works with the current Ryzen BIOS, get a B350 Tomahawk.
>$60 Mad Catz Mouse
Get a G403 or an MX Master.
>all that audiophile bullshit
Drop that shit and get a monitor that isn't total garbage like the one you chose.

>>62044964
>32 ohms
>overpriced PSU

>>62045354

Huh, that's actually really interesting. I wasn't aware that there was an inherent expectation that some of it would get be defective/destroyed in transportation. Maybe that's how he does it then.

I know I sometimes get the boxes a little worse for wear so maybe he just smacks the box around a little and claims it's defective?

Still that must make working at a warehouse a very lucrative business for someone who has the clientele willing to buy? He's pretty much cut out the middle-man of a fence and he's making good dollars at essentially zero cost to himself.

That being said, it's not all good. You can't "order" things from him, and expect him to come up with it the next day. Most times he'll confess that he doesn't know if productYouWantX is stored near him and if so where it is stored. It can often take weeks for him to locate the desired ware. This is again just guesswork but I don't think he actually knows a lot about what's being stored there beyond the parts he happens to come across.

Is that normal in warehouses?

R7 260X > RX 560 worth the upgrade? I know 1050 Ti would be better, but I have a freesync monitor.

>>62043270
>paying for the OS

If you're looking for a cheap case with good side panels, the Fractal Design Focus G seems to be a winner. The one caveat is it uses the cheaper steel. But if you can get it on sale, it's pretty much the best cheap ventilator case with 5.25" you'll find.

BEST case that supports 5.25" leans towards the CoolerMaster MasterCase Pro 5, but I hate CoolerMaster's aesthetic.

>>62045468
I'll run through the MasterCase Pro 5 recommendation. Solid steel. Swing door. PSU shroud. Modularity. Space. $110 right now. Been $90 before.

If I didn't absolutely think it looked like ass, I'd definitely consider buying it. I hate it and I'm considering it. Because analyzing it, it looks like nothing but value.

>>62045410
You can't ship off 1000 boxes of a product from across the global and expect them to arrive all 1000 boxes to arrive in perfect condition at the warehouses. Sometimes shipments go missing, sometimes shipments arrive worse for the wear (crushed packaging etc) and those all get marked as defective. Sometimes shipments come with extra products that are meant for the distros as samples. All these can go "missing". People take free shit all the time and so long as too much shit doesn't go missing, management turns a blind eye. It is all fine and cool, people get the new adidas/nike shoes free so they are happy and management have already marked those off as expected losses so it is a win-win.

Now selling those "missing" products on the other hand is a huge no-no. You can sell them to people you know sure but if you selling to randoms and some of them turnup and catch the attention of a supplier, then you got yourself an investigation and some deep shit.

tl;dr That idiot is going to get his entire warehouse into trouble because he keeps pinching stuff to fuel a drug habit and we know how fast that spirals.

>>62045496
I'll say one thing. I'm surprised how many of the "premium" case brands haven't moved away from really shitty design qualities. Thermaltake has, for fuck's sake. They still use shit steel on premium products, but they at least try to poach good features.

>>62045507
>tl;dr That idiot is going to get his entire warehouse into trouble because he keeps pinching stuff to fuel a drug habit and we know how fast that spirals.

Oh no doubt. I'm probably not going to, but you just know that someone is eventually going to start asking this drug-fiend some uncomfortable questions and when he can't answer they're going to go look for answers elsewhere.

At some point some dumb-cunt client is going to accidentally contact Intel about his warranty and giving an interesting serial number or something similar.

And I foresee that's where this little arrangement between me and him ends. Hopefully they don't kick down MY door, but if they do I'll just play ignorant and say I assumed they were his parts which he was selling for quick cash.

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>>62045515
Corsair Carbide Quiet 400Q looks like a very solid flat-faced box if you don't care about 5.25 bays. All the good premium features.

Good steel, good doors, good front panel placement, filters, shroud.

And I suppose you could always buy the 600Q for the 5.25s if you don't mind your rig looking like a big black fridge.

>>62045416
Sure, if you think a dozen extra frames or so is worth $150...and if you can even find one.

>>62045532
Most likely the warehouse will find out first and then fire him instead of kicking up a fuss. Because if they investigate him for thief, a lot of people in the same warehouse are going down as well. That is the best case scenario. Worst case is outside interference or HQ calling it in, then everyone is fucked.

>>62045560
shekel deposited

>>62045597
I'm appraising cases as I dig through them and find ones I like.

Any Jonsbo/Cooltek/Rosewill U1 equivalent? I want to build ITX PC small but powerful

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>>62045606
Also, man. 5.25" bays are fun. Absolutely fun.

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>>62045634
So fun.

Will the new coffe lake be a big jump worth waiting for? Im on a Apu a10-6800k and I was thinking on getting a ryzen

FUCKING MINERS STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

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> gigabyte gtx 1080 windforce: 540€
> get 10% discount
> get Destiny 2 code

IS IT FINALLY TIME TO BUY?

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>>62045821
>just be urself bro
>if i can buy 40, i think you can buy 1

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>>62045861
fuck wrong pic

>>62045747
it's another 12nm refresh to sell new motherboards to stupid people. No one on a 12nm socket right now should be upgrading until 10nm or maybe even 7.

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>>62045866

>>62045861
How is this wrong pic?

People who use Necrozma are just as cancerous as those who mine.

>>62045964
14nm I mean.

>>62045968
You know, I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up a portable tesla coil with a cell phone battery and have it turn into a crypto-rig destroying grenade.

>>62045859
Yes.
>490 dollars
>Sell Destiny 2 for 60 bucks
That is a 1080 for 430 bucks.

>>62046020
Heh. http://www.instructables.com/id/Handheld-EMP-device/

>>62046020
>Find crypto mining ops
>Tip the po-po off that that house is a weed growing operation
>Because of the power draw and heat output, they will both appear to be the same shit
>Po-po kick their house in FOR FREE
Now the hard part is locating these places

>>62046064
>Now the hard part is locating these places
Check the meter.

>>62046079
>Go around checking meters
Fastest way to get arrested for suspicious behavior.

>>62046087
Well, I mean, you'd require evidence prior to that, but that's a good indicator if you have established suspicion.

>>62046098
Just tip the police off.

Do you guys buy a GPU for your monitor, or a monitor for your GPU?

I'd like to get a 1440 monitor, but my current GPU really won't cope with it.

>>62046131
A monitor will always outlast your GPU. That is a given. Your monitor purchase should be tied to your GPU. When your GPU can output more than your monitor, it is time to upgrade your monitor but keep in mind that most people buy monitors expecting them to last 5-10 years at least.

>>62046131
You know you can run at lower resolutions, right? Having a 1440p monitor doesn't mean your gpu is gonna be forced to play at 1440p

>>62046162
In that case, is an RX470 capable of handling Ultrawide 2560x1080?

>>62046194
No.

>>62046162
Yeah, i have a 22" thats about 8 years old, and is on it's way out. It's time to upgrade really.

U2717D or U2715H are probably my top 2 options. While i play games i don't play anything competitive so high refresh isn't a big issue.

>>62046219
I use the 2715H. Its a great monitor, mostly for colour grading and editing as my 2nd monitor to my laptop. Rarely get to play games on it though as my laptop has a hard time pushing the 1440p, though bf4 runs well with lowered settings on it

I need your help /g/

I have a project where i wanna build the cheapest possible computer, i have a few requisites:

>Must be able to install Windows on it
>Must use a x86-x64 CPU
>Must use brand new parts
>Has to be the whole computer, including monitor, wont reuse any current parts
>Must be latest gen stuff
>Price/performance ratio doesnt matter, only price

I wanna see how the cheapest "actual" computer compares to a Raspberry Pi, but other than that i dont really have an actual use for it.

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>mfw bought a QNIX QX2710 like 5 years ago
>paid pennies for it
>Samsung made PLS 1440p 110Hz monitor
>no scaler so minimal input lag
>mfw non-TN 144Hz 1440p displays by reputable brands have only been a thing since like a year ago
>all these turds paying silly prices for something ive had for years

Feels good to be a winner.

>>62046297
>dog shit input lag
>likely blurs like a MF due to OC'd panel
no thanks, it was a rip off no matter how much you payed for it.

>>62046162
So a 1080p 60ghz monitor for a 1080 ti isn't wise?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ynncpb
can /g/ bless me with their approval on this build
>>Intel
i need that single core speed for the new emulator citra rpcs3 etc

>>62046340
A waste of money. A 1060 6GB or 1070 will do everything a 1080ti can do on a 1080p60hz monitor.

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>>62046316
I had a 120Hz Asus before it, there's no meaningful difference in input lag between them. Sure, it's got more motion blur than a high-refresh TN display, but I'll sure as shit be taking the good colours and viewing angles over lower blur. Main game I play is CSGO and it's still fine for it.

You sound a bit upset that you haven't been playing games in 1440p at a high-refresh rate for years, pretty embarrassing.

>>62046361
What would actually be an adequate monitor for a 1080 ti? I've heard people say 4k shit but even the ti can't really do 4k 60fps on the highest settings for most games can it? so 1440p 144ghz maybe?

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>>62046369
>Sure, it's got more motion blur than a high-refresh TN display,
and that's literally all that matters about high refresh rate gaming i also have 2 (two) superior monitors over you. enjoy your blur you autistic poorfag.
>b-buh its not that bad it's tolerable!

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What's a good DDR4 voltage? I'm only stable at 1.39V and I'm just running at 2933 (instead of advertised 3200)

>>62046379
Yes it can. Most of those games are benchmark at the Ultra setting, just turn down a few settings and you can do 4k60 just fine. It is 4k60 or 1440p144.

I manged to find a motherboard I wanted at Microcenter cheaper as being "open box". It's defined as a product that has been opened before, includes everything, and has been testing to be in working condition. I also get a $30 discount if I bundle with a Ryzen CPU, I plan to get there aswell. Has anyone experienced anything bad with open box from Microcenter?

Also, I have heard multiple times that due to Ryzen's architecture, it benefits from highly clocked RAM. Would 3000 be sufficient? Or spend possibly an extra $15 for 3200?

>>62046340
Even at 1440p 60Hz, a 1080Ti would be retarded overkill. Unless you've got money to throw down the drain don't bother.

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>>62046403
D-DELET THIS NOW

>>62041181
I bought a Corsair 750D for $30

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>>62044891
>>62044780
>>62044425
This is insane. I tried everything.
Should I change the thermal paste? Get a new cooler? This setup is barely a month old and it runs 20 degrees hotter than it should, even the voltages are fucked up even though it's all auto

What's a good windows install video tutorial for when I change my motherboard? Can I pirate windows?

>>62041594
because its a cut down 1060 thats why
570 is the way to go anyways given the fuckfest amd will bring with fp16 on games

>>62046419
>>62046442
Alright then guess I'll have to get an actually good monitor when I build my shit then.

>>62046472
I'll never understand why people care about idle temps.

I've disabled all the turbo bullshit on my 3570K and it's running at like 1.5V and idles at like 60C, I don't give a damn.

>>62046274
There are some itx motherboards with integrated cpu, using sodimm memory and some of it have 12v input jack.

So /g/, what would be your opinion on:

http://www.msy.com.au/tas/glenorchy/desktop-ram/19644-crucial-ct4g4dfs824a-4g-single-ddr4-2400-desktop-ram.html two sticks of this, or
http://www.msy.com.au/tas/glenorchy/pc-components/15915--kingston-hyperx-fury-hx421c14fbk2-8-8gb-kit-4gx2-ddr4-2133-desktop-ram.html this kit

Would I just be paying 30~ dollars more for no reason or is Crucial to be avoided? Currently running an SSD from them now and no issues.

>>62046442
What sort of res x hz combo should I look at for regular ole 1080 then? High chance of upgrading to Volta too.

Is ultrawide a bad meme?

>>62046476
>needs to ask 4chan to find him a tutorial to install windows
>can I pirate windows?
Probably not.

When will DRAM Shortage meme end?

>>62046504
If it were me I'd just wait for 144Hz 4K monitors. They are kind of going to be the 'end game' monitor, and are only six months to a year away. I can't really forsee any reason to ever need any other monitor for at-least 5 years once they hit, I mean, why the fuck do you need more than 4K at 27 inches?

If you can't wait, just go with 1440p 144Hz. It's what I've got and I kind of wish I hadn't bothered upgrading from my 980Ti to 1080Ti, it spends most of it's time asleep wishing you'd give it a real resolution to run.

I also hope you have a good CPU.

>>62046432
I bought an open-box mobo from Fry's three years ago and an open-box GPU from Microcenter a two years ago and both are still running perfectly. I think I got lucky though, open box shit is a gamble.

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Which 1070 should I get? Gigabyte or EVGA? And why?

>>62046675
If you live in a location without decent consumer protection laws, EVGA.

>>62046616
Thankfully the 1 year manufacture warranty will still apply. I might end up testing a lot of pins and performance the coming months getting it.

What's the difference between the Gigabyte AB350M-HD3 and the Gigabyte AB350-D3H? As far as I can see the HD3 is $10 cheaper but loses 2 RAM DIMMs and some fan headers, but gets smaller as well.

Is this like CPUs were it'll get lower quality north/south bridges, and they solder those to the cheaper boards with lesser DIMMs? or are they just offering more choice?

I'm never going to use more than 2 DIMMs at the moment, I'm scared /g/. Do I overpay tomorrow for 4 DIMMs or not?

>>62039934
needs correction
undervolted vega is fine 1070 tier of power draw with 1080 tier of perfomance..

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>>62046481
85 on load with everything default, while other people literally run at sub 60 with +0.8 Ghz overclocks with same setups

what the fuck am I doing wrong?

>>62045328
I dont really want to bother with over clocking so i figured it was the better option.
Yeah sure the fan probably isnt worth my time but whats wrong with the mobo? any suggestions?

>>62046785
Connected your CPU cooler shittily? I.e. maybe there's a gap between the CPU and the cooler.

>>62046823
The screws won't go any further and it all seems tight

>>62044631
What a lo ser, mine does at 43°.

>>62046340
1080 Ti is 1440p/144hz or 4k/60hz card.

>>62042921
>ThermalFake - Not even once.
but I like the View 31 :(

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jq2tGf

Thoughts on this list? I have hard drives and a 1440p monitor already.

Is a 1060 6gb enough for 1080p/144hz?

>>62047020
For some games and depends on settings but don't expect to hit it that often.

>>62047020
Not consistently and not with settings cranked up.

>>62047020
What games do you plan to hit 144 fps with? Most competitive games are not very demanding. I bet 1060 6gb is more than enough to hit 144 fps on Overwatch/LoL/Dota/CS

>>62046982
Some shit on Asrock boards because they used to be cheap garbage but they're better now. Though many lost confidence in them after they EOL'd a board only few months old. So you may want to consider grabbing another mATX board. For RAM check the QVL list and if it isn't there you are going to have best luck with samsung b-die RAM like Flare X though that costs you both arm and a leg.

>>62047020
For older titles and shit like CS:GO and TF2, sure.
For newer shit it'd do 60 comfortably, some games would require some optimization.

Any major difference between 1600 and 1700 in gaming?

Guys just bought an R5 1600, a GA B250 gaming and an 8 Gb curcial 3000 stick.

Thing is ram is running at 2133 and I'm gonna kill someone if it turns out it won't run any higher, could've saved me some dough.

Also replaced my older mobo+cpu with this shit, unsurprisingly my 7 ult won't boot due to "hardware changes", is there anyway to not have to do a clean install?, it was comfy af :\

I see coffe lake as intel adapting to a market that demands more cores considering it will probably beat the r5 what do you think AMD is going to do? Will they try to fight Intel by improving their single core performance or will they retreat into the workstation niche?

>>62047257
The difference would be negligible unless the game can use the extra cores and threads, and you're not multitasking.
1600 is best value, but if you can go for the 1700 don't hold back.

>>62047318
Well, Coffee is allegedly more expensive than their Kaby counterparts were, so it's likely AMD will still be better value when you take mobo cost etc into account.
We can only wait and see right now though

>>62047257
Other than very few select titles, they're about the same. Just how much are you willing to put down on a gamble of games becoming more multi core friendly and how much headroom do you want for multitasking. If you have the money I'd go for 1700 but on a smaller budget 1600 will be totally fine.

>>62047318
Here is what the next 3 years of x86-64 development would be like.
>MOAR COARS
>MOAR FREQUENCIES
>MOAR COARS
>MOAR FREQUENCIES
>Intel bribes devs for optimization on it's CPUs and worse performance on AMD chips.
>MOAR COARS
>MOAR FREQUENCIES

>>62047361
>>Intel bribes devs for optimization on it's CPUs and worse performance on AMD chips.
they still haven't paid out from the last time they did something like this https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-still-hasnt-paid-AMD-12-billion-USD-anti-trust-fine
I miss amd laptops, mine was pretty comfy

>>62047409
Ryzen laptops are coming. Maybe I'll finally get myself one as portable animu machine.

>>62047409
>they still haven't paid out from the last time they did something like this
Gotta love modern courts.
>I miss amd laptops, mine was pretty comfy
Their last gen APUs were pretty good, cheap and good for browsing and the occasional game, really want something based on Zen with an iGPU.

>>62042243
You're good my man

>>62041941
What kind of monitor do you already have?

>>62039934
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BFww4C
feedback? budget build. it's infinitely better than what I have now.

>>62045285
>>62045213
lose your ego and think next time before you post about something as illegal as that. even moot said you'd have to be a total idiot to post about illegal doings on 4chan. what you've described is already in the felony range.

>>62047609
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BFww4C

Too shitty anon, I mean I can stomach the r5 1400, but when your ram is more expensive than your mobo you're doing something awfully wrong.

Also the 1050 is a waste of money you, either save and get a 1060 or higher or buy used, hell any thing up from the ancient times and performance bracket of the HD 7950 would be gud.

If you can't buy good shit now, splurge on one or two things and skimp/jury rig the rest until you can afford to replace or add more, hell you can use a usb drive instead of the SSD if you're desperate enough, and you're pretty desperate.

>>62047772
I just want to play CSGO beyond 17 frames, play other fun games, and watch live streams without my entire computer coming to a crawl.

Would my build do that? I don't need 4k fantasy escapism. My friend has a 1050ti and does everything I expressed with no problem.

>>62047834
Yes it would anon, and would be more capable than that.

>>62047834
1050ti is a great budget card, don't listen to him.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pZ4RWX if you're on a budget switch cpu to r3 1200 - it'll still handle everything you listed. b350 mobo allows overclocking, which combined with faster RAM will give you much better performance in csgo.

>>62047865
I figured as much!
>>62047878
ok cool, I am going to do some research on those changes.

thank you both.

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>parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpjPr7
>budget
around 1900€, estonia
>games/software, monitor res/refresh
play some newer games, 1440 144hz seems appealing to me to try out due to me being able to get it on quite a bit of games I play(currently on a league playing spree). Old monitor had this annoying tearing which I would assume would greatly be relieved with gsync.
Current monitor is 1080p 60hz and an old blocky 2nd monitor at 1280x1024 that is close dying by now.
>Goals
replacing my 2nd monitor about to die, upgrading to 1440p and 144hz, cpu not handling it at this point,""""futureproofing"""" my machine.

Attatched image of the most convenient shipping+ price I could find in my country

If you think it's wise to hold off and wait for price drops/ coffee lake, i have a r9 390 and a fx8350 at the minute which do the job, but the 8350 is really becoming a pain in the ass at this point and the 390 wont handle the monitor.

What do I lose if I get something like 2400 RAM instead of 3000+ for my r5 1600?

When is 1080p going to be considered obsolete?

is making a decent gaming desktop that can run newer games at at least 30 frames possible with a 500 - 600 dollar budget?

It's over, Radeon is dead and buried. Nothing to see here. Poor Volta.

>>62046982
GO FOR IT

>>62048091
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CZRfbj

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Got my new monitor 20min ago...

Amazon is sending me a new one right away, will send the old one back free of charge.. altho new one will come on monday

>>62046982
download more ram

>>62048108
2400 is way too slow, 3200 is just $20 more expensive, but you get 33% more mhz

Getting a 980ti classified this week. To power it, I just use and 8 pin to dual 8 pin cable, right? Just making sure it'll get enough power that way and that I don't need to use both pcie slots on my PSU to power it.

>>62048330
CRACKED

>>62048401
the worst part is that you can see the cracks at all until you turn it on, imagine my reaction when they shit was broken on bootup

quick question guys - first build, my RAM is on my mobo QVL and I'm gonna be running everything stock - I can probably skip a bios flash right? Also will I need to install chipset/lan/usb/audio drivers manually or at all even?

>>62048330
thats unfortunate - still everything will be daijibou with a replacement on the way not worth stressing over. Would've hassled for a discount though.

>>62040152
Personally using gSKILL ripjawz v 3000mhz 2x8gb "Intel z170" ram I got off Newegg. No issues.

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>>62048320
whoa, miners finally btfo?

>>62048166
How's this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gcqYjc

Any thoughts on AOC? I've been eyeing their 144hz 1080p monitors

>>62048391
if you mean a split cable, like one of the one that has a 8 pin daisy chained to another, yes you'll be fine
if you mean running 2 8 pin off of 1 8 pin cable then no
t. someone running 2 290s and 2 980ti all on the same psu all on single connections to the psu

hey guys need a pc for my mom for her business. She usually has a lot of windows open from the internet to QuickBooks. I was looking at prebuilts but nothing has caught my eye. I want to get her something with a little more power than she would need but not break the bank. Anyone want to point me in the right direction

>>62048450
they cheap and freesync, color a shit though

>>62048416
it's annoying, cuz i've had all these parts just waiting for more parts and now i have to wait till monday to really be able to enjoy it all, but you're right senpai, everything will be fire.

QVL?
bios flash might be a good idea for ryzen cpus. You don't need to install any drivers manually but if you do you'll ensure that your system runs the best it can, get them from the manufactures website to get the newest ones, be aware of bloatware tho!
GPU drivers usually have to be installed manually to get it run the best it can, usually the GPU driver client.

>>62048462
8 pin male connected to the PSU, 2 6+2 pin male (on the opposite end of the cable) plugged into the 980ti. Sort of looks like a daisy chain, but it's a single cable.

>have taichi mobo and 1600 with 3200 ram
>set xmp, set 3900, set 1.35v
>everything runs fine on day 1 drivers
>finally update to agesa 1.0.0.6
>ram wont go past 3066
JUST fuck my shit up
what the hell, should i roll back to 1.0.05? what do anons this is bullshit

>>62048443
more ram and maybe more gpu ram too

>>62048492
oh, yeah that'll be 100% fine my man. at first i thought you meant splitting a single 8 pin to 2 that's pants on head retarded, but you'll be fine with what you're doing

>>62048497
i've had that with gpu firmware, the newest ones didn't display correctly, so i just reverted back to old ones. use what works desu

>>62048472
Budget?

>>62048504
More RAM than 16gb?

I wanna build a cheap rig that can run games like Path Of Exile and FF14 in 1080p 60fps and maybe newer games in lower resolution. My budget is around 500€ and i also need a monitor.
My question is: Is it possible to make a build like that with that budget? I'm thinking about going for either an RX 550 or a GTX 1050. Will they suffice? Should i buy my stuff used or get it new?

>>62048555
dunno what you're doing, i would go 32gigs but that's just me

>>62046801
>getting a third-party CPU cooler
>not going to overclock
Doesn't the 1700x come with a wraith spire?
>$115 for an A320
For that money you can get a B350 Tomahawk.

I'd still strongly recommend a 1700, it's only $300 and you can overclock it to the same speed on the stock cooler. The 1700x is just an overclocked 1700 that costs more.

>>62048558
plenty of builds like that on youtube

>>62048563
32gb for a $600 build?

>>62048540
>pcpartpicker.com
give me a bit she walked out of the room

>>62048590
i like ram but that's just me

>vega sitting in a warehouse 1 hour away for the last 4 hours
thanks amazon

>>62048641
>Buying Vega
Wow. Amazing the retardation of the folks in this thread.

>>62048540
up to 900

>>62048558
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rbLWhq

>>62048572
>Doesn't the 1700x come with a wraith spire?
No.

>>62048714
nvidiot

>>62048748
The 1700 does. If the 1700x doesn't even have a stock cooler, then I really don't understand why people would buy it. It's just a factory OC 1700.

>>62048751
Nah. You are on the same level as the morons that buy i5. It is a pity. If you said you are buying an i5, you would get 5 plus replies calling you a bloody idiot but Vega gets a pass despite being inferior as well.

There's a Inno3D iChill X3 1060 6gb at 360$ even though 1060 they are at 410$ in my country ,am I getting scammed?

is the 1060 6b the "card of choice" like the r5 1600 is the cpu of choice as of right now?

>>62048721
Needed more fixing
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FNpdRG

>>62048817
>1060 6gb at 360$
Just no.

>>62048472
get her one of those wide displays or multiple monitors

>>62048900
that would be the 1080 or 1080ti. they remain the only cards that have not been affected by mining prices, outside of something like a 1050ti, which is a entry level card by all definitions
its sad but true my man, at least if you want to buy new, used I would say the 980ti offeres the best value, not hard to grab one for around 300 on ebay and they're close to 1070 performance

I have no idea what I'm doing, what OS is supposed to be good for games? I really hate Windows 10 but is there a better alternative that works with most games as well?

>>62048863
>>62048911
thanks

>>62048929
working on that too. Looking for a good typing keyboard as well.

>>62048965
I don't know, windows 7?

>>62048967
So you also need a monitor? Then the list needs to be changed

>>62048982
im window shopping for the monitor. Just looking for pc stuff to buy now

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r8

>>62049064
>2800MHz RAM

>>62049092
somehow it doesn't like being set at the 3k its said its rated for at the same time the cpu is oc'd

>>62045747
It's just Kaby Lake with more cores. Still won't match Ryzen in price/performance.

>>62048443
what cpu can be exchanged that's not as pricey

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fJpdRG this is a rough draft I'm not sure about the RAM ,mobo ,lack of cooling and if it can fit in my case ,can I get some advice?

>>62047318
>Will they try to fight Intel by improving their single core performance or will they retreat into the workstation niche?
Zen2 will supposedly have about 15% IPC over Zen and it will probably clock a fair bit higher since the process they're going to use is designed for high clocks.

Of course, this is all just rumors at the moment, but given that Zen is a brand new architecture, there's probably a fair bit of low-hanging fruit when it comes to improving it.

>>62049327
>1060 6GB
>$350
No fucking way.