/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Epyc Eclipse Edition

I'm having a hard time choosing as workstation gpu. I'm on a 250-450$ Canadian budget for one. Will work with ecabinet and sketchup.

Should I buy quadro, firepro or just a high memory gaming card for same price?

>no i7

>>>62018395
>Acer H236HL bid
Other anon here, currently with a RX 480 and an old shitty BenQ RL2240H, looking for a new monitor but still poor to buy something like 1080p/144hz or 1440/60hz. Is that Acer good enough over a Dell P2217H (http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-p2217h-monitor/pd)? Planning to do dual-monitor because work related stuff while using the newer only to play vidya.

>>62024801
An i7 is something you take with you when you go camping so you have something to start fires with.

>>62024772
firepro

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dYcJr7

Alright lads, what do you think? I've already purchased it. I just want to see what you guys think of it.

>>62024933
>no SSD
>4x4 DIM sticks
>bronze psu
could be a lot worse but these were fuck ups

>>62024772
wait for 1070 prices to go back down, you wont get anything better in that price range

>>62024933
>No SSD
>Quad channel RAM
>On dual channel board
>Intel

>>62024933
>Intel
Is your home heater broken?
Are you preparing to keep warm for Winter?

>>62024982
>>62024960
>>62025028

Whoops, I forgot to change the fact that it's no longer 4x4 ram, it's 2x8.

With the speed of the shipping, I can buy an SSD any time and it'll probably come faster than the rest of the parts.

As for the PSU, yeah, I'm not particularly proud of it, but I can always get another one.

>>intel
>ryzen

>>62025034
>>ryzen
>intel

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>>62025034
>>>intel
>>ryzen

>>62025048
We can do this all day, man.

I just prefer Intel, the same way most of you here prefer Ryzen.

>>62025069
>I just prefer

Do you not base your preference on objective facts?

>>62025069
You'll at least save money on home heating this winter

>>62025028
nice try shill

>>62025054
DELID DIS

2.5'' SDD or M.2 SDD

Still learning. Which one and why?

is 3.7GHz overclock with 1.28v reasonable for a 1700 with a wraith spire?

>>62025083
>>62025087
Look, I've watched and seen plenty of benchmarks between the two, and from what I've seen is that the recommendation was the i7 7700k.

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>>62025091
>shill
>7700k objectively produces MUCH more heat and uses MUCH more wattage than a comparable Ryzen processor

>>62025109
2.5" is good enough and the speed is not that different for gaming

Im making a pc just for music recording and production. Where can i cheap out on this build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PBdBVY

>Intel Core i9 having heat issues
>First eclipse of the moon in fucking forever
What is going in this timeline?

>>62025133
For what use? Ryzen hits similar averages and minimums, its only the spikes where intel has got a lead lol

>>62025133
For 144 fps gaming.
However. benchmarks are old and bios and software updates have changed things. There's only a 2 fps difference between the Ryzen 7 1700 and the i7 7700k not, and while the i7 is maxed out in games nowadays, the Ryzen chip still has untapped potential under the hood for software to explore.

>>62025109
M.2 performs the same as normal SSD at higher price but has a nice bonus of not requiring cables.

>>62025133
Take another look at those benchmarks. The Intel processors do indeed take the lead in FPS... when the resources the game requires are low. Put it into a CPU-heavy game though, and the Ryzen chips win every time
This isn't opinion. It's fact.

>>62025164
>>62025170
Welp. Maybe another time. Maybe someday I'll switch over to AMD, but for now (since I bought everything already) I'll just stick to Intel.

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>>62025158
>i9 is behelit

>>62025204
>"best cpu for gameings 100fps" the post

t. normie faggot

is the 3gb gtx 1060 a good replacement for a rx 570? or do I wait for the prices to be reasonable?

>>62024906
The 7700k has it's uses if you want to squeeze every single frame out of what you're playing. It has no other use other than gaming though. If budget isn't a problem for you the 7700k is the best gaming cpu you can get.

>>62025225
wew, somebody's mad that they won't get their commission from shilling to strangers

First build, advice appreciated.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bz8fbj

>>62025229
>2017
>Buying something with 3GB of VRAM
No. Either 1060 6GB or 580.
The 570 isn't that bad. If you have money for an upgrade, see how much you can sell your 570 for and then buy a nice 1080 which should set you for the next 3 years minimum.

>>62025261
Lose the H7 unless you are doing heavy OC. Get a seasonic PSU over a corsair one. Deathadder is garbage, get a G Pro or G403 instead.

Just moved my system to a new case, along with replacing the mobo/cpu. 2 of my 3 hard drives are showing up (the ssd with win10 on it) and my 1TB hdd, but my 2 TB isnt showing up in windows, speccy, or disk manager. I've checked the cables and swapped the sata for a different one just in case but I can't figure out why it's not showing. Any ideas?

>>62025297
Would you replace the h7 with a cheaper CPU cooler or leave it off completely?

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>Find someone selling all the hardware I need on Craigslist because their PC won't start up
>Offer to help them fix it instead

>>62025464
H7 is about as cheap as you should go. Only cheaper one i recommend is the 212. But the stock fan that comes with the 1600 is pretty decent and allows a healthy overclock.

>>62025485
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>62025485
Very noble. I hope you're not offering to fix it for free.

>>62025524
This I do not know.

>>62025534
I actually debated offering them parts if I can spare them.

>>62025123
Yeah sounds alright

So how much can you overclock a ryzen 1600 without needing to use a new fan from the stock one?

>>62025574
>I actually debated offering them parts if I can spare them.
I hope it is a really hot girl you are doing this for.

>>62025574
what were the parts and were they cheap?

>>62025218
>intel is Griffith
>amd is Guts

oh shit

>>62025582
There are plenty of benchmarks online. You can read it up.

should i get the
BenQ GW2760HS 27" Full HD VA LED Monitor for $279
ViewSonic VA2719-2K 27" WQHD 5MS IPS LED Monitor for $299
Samsung LS27F350 27" Full HD PLS 4MS LED FreeSync Monitor for $239
or
BenQ PD2700Q 27" WQHD sRGB Designer IPS LED Monitor for $599 (and blow my budget)
Its for digital art not gaming but i dont really want to spend too much

>>62025598
No. They aren't cheap. I'm trying to diagnose the issue right now via garbled, autocorrect-butchered paragraphs.

>>62025617
IPS has the best color representation so you should always be going for IPS if you are doing anything art/production. So it is either the Viewsonic or BenQ 599

>>62025617
The ViewSonic because I don't know who wants some dude's name on their monitor, birds are the way to go

>>62025405
I figured it out, it was because I'm an idiot.

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What can cause a computer to just power cycle and crash? Because that's the issue this dude is having. He says he has new RAM.

I'm thinking motherboard.

>>62025405
have you tried plugging the sata cable into a different sata port on your motherboard?

>>62025687
is it the temps or did he overclock too much? Unstability?

I am noob at this

>>62025687
Depends on how the computer is crashing. A hard crash might be indication of faulty PSU. A crash which requires you to power cycle might be a bad driver or faulty motherboard.

>>62025574
>I actually debated offering them parts if I can spare them

oh man, you better charge for at least THAT.

>>62025687
Is it actually reaching the BIOS? If not, is it POSTing? Power cycling can be caused by a lot of things.

>>62025659
i actually cant figure out the differences between the two besides the price being doubled and the benQ having a better stand

>>62025681
benq isnt a name too, bring enjoyment n quality of life

>>62025727
sRGB vs RGB monitor.

>>62025705
>>62025725
He says that it'll power cycle and if he actually manages to get it to Windows it'll just crash. But everything is sort of garbled because he's typing on a phone with autocorrect on. Either a kid or a normie, seems like. Or a normie kid. Is worried about his Windows activation not transferring.

>>62025617
Here nigga, get this instead:

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-24-Inch-Curved-Monitor-C24FG70/dp/B01M1DEEYP/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503371207&sr=8-3&keywords=Samsung+C24FG70

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2kCynn

This is a very novice build

>>62025767
Anecdotal, but I've experienced something similar with a failing PSU. Started with BSODing a lot, then devolved into failing to boot and then crashing soon if I managed to get it to get to Windows. Thought it was the video card but discovered it was the PSU when it literally burst into flames.

>>62025775
>Curved
Don't do this. Curved isn't good for anything except for maybe media consumption. Curved definitely 100% isn't for production work or digital art.

>>62025824
Keyboard is shit.
Case is suspect.
Everything else is fine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6QGrFd Any improvements that can be made to stay within a 1300 budget?

>>62025863
>Keyboard is shit.
I can't speak for the longevity because I haven't had mine long, but the knockoff blues feel fine and it's a solid board. It you don't care about legit switches it's probably one of the best options.

>>62025825
They're claiming EVGA PSU. So it's unlikely but possible.

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why aren't these fans recommended more often? holy shit these little fuckers are incredible, not much louder than something like a corsair or noctua, say a few db and they move almost as much air, performing within a few degrees of the before mentioned fans, and you can literally get 5 for the price of 1 noctua, pwm to boot
what the shit /g/ why had i never heard of these

>>62025888
You can afford a Samsung 850.
And for that price you can easily afford a better case. People like to recommend the S340 and P400 at that price range.

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Also, for the curious, my interest in buying parts from this guy sort of vanished after I realized he had taken the parts out of his computer and laid them out on a shag rug to take the CL pictures.

Figured I could at least try to help him, though. Though this is why I have no faith in second hand components.

>>62025888
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4kgkM8

>>62025853
Is it good for gaming though?

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People keep doing this. Every other CL post. FFS. Nobody is educated.

>>62025945
Second hand is only worth it if you have some avenue for a refund (aka refurbs and ebay) or they're exceptionally cheap or free. CL is always a terrible option.

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>>62026005
Selected the wrong image. CL isn't having an outbreak of illegal crab fighting rings.

>>62025999
Yes. But only it is those super big ultrawides ( >34"). Otherwise their effect are minimal and a waste of money.

>>62026020
>CL isn't having an outbreak of illegal crab fighting rings.
What a shame. First Twitch bans cock fights and now this.

>>62026035
Damn. Thanks for telling me to steer clear of a pricey gimmick.

>Guy gets his PC to start
>RAM slot on the mobo seems to have died, making the motherboard the culprit
>Announces that System Repair starts up
Man. Fuck the people that name these fucking things. This poor bastard thought Startup Repair meant the computer would repair its own hardware.

>>62026094
HAHAHAAHHAHHHAH

>>62026078
No problem anon

>>62026094
>the computer would repair its own hardware
One day...one day.

>>62025991
Neat thanks anon.

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>>62026094

check cnn
vega now outperforming titan Xp with new driver update
nvidiots are rioting in the streets

>>62026122
as if CNN is talking about anything but our idiot commander-in-chief

>>62026122
I searched cnn vega but nothing related to technology came up. link?

>>62026122
>CNN
Fake news.

>>62026150
Come on anon, you're better than that. Don't fall for such obvious bait.

>>62026122
Check CNN
>>62026122 caught sucking dicks on the streets

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>62026300
Woops, lack of sleep coming through

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJpfbj

>>62026300
copy the permalink

>>62026300
I dont get it. are you asking for criticism on a blank parts list?

>>62026300
Nice list.
Check'd

>>62026312
NZXT shill?

>>62025751
ah true, reckon its worth it for double the price + the stand? i might be able to get it cheaper through work by about $50

Any recommendations for network cards? Ethernet isn't an option for me right now.

>>62026312
your build is almost the same as mine. Thumbs up for me

I am considering the CPU cooler though...

is there any way i can pause an amazon order? id like to wait for an official statement on vega pricing to see if prices will come down in the near future once all the scalpers go away.

>>62026336
uh....

no.

>>62026341
such description many wow

>>62026312
meme machine/10

>>62026338
Depends on how much you value color precision, I guess. RGB IPS is good enough for most but if you are doing high level production or immensely precise one I guess the sRGB one is worth the money, I guess the latter one is more for professionals.

>>62026359
? Wireless network adapter?

>>62026355
>2017
>Buying Vega

>>62026369
true fair enough. i also noticed they have the the 4k version for $849 (aud). so ill probably get that one instead.

Does anyone here own a Node 202 case? What gpu are you running and how does it go with temps?

>>62026371
no shit, but since you mentioned no details get a wn881wd you tart

>>62026355
Maybe?

I don't know. Contact support. Tell them that you'd like your order to be paused. You'll have the order number. Then when you're sure, you contact support and tell them to resume order.

I'm sure something like this _can_ be done, but I'm not sure if they _would_ do such a thing.

>>62026341
TP-Link

>>62026411
What details do you need? I need wireless Internet for my desktop. Do you have any recommendations

>>62026443
TP-Link. At least 3 antennas.

>>62026443
read
>>62026411

How well do AMD cards run rpcs3? All the developers use intel CPUs.

>>62026443
you completely ignore my recommendation you retard.

>>62026478
Oh sorry, thought that was some 1337 speak meme.

>>62026475
>All the developers use intel CPUs
It's true. Even the AMD developers use Intel.

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>>62026475
amd card
intel cpu

>>62026499
oh sorry I meant AMD cpus

>>62024668
finally gonna pull the trigger was actually waiting for vega 56 but not anymore just using 1060 as a placeholder until polaris

>>62026542
>forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L4fZYr

>>62026554
get a 2tb hdd and you're golden

whats a good wide and long sturdy desk? for mouse movements and space. ikea limmon and some shelves?

>>62026595
You got money? Go get a custom one made.

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>>62024668

b350 MSI Tomahawk $75

OR

b350 MSI Pro Carbon $120

Is Intel nic, a better on-board soundcard, and more VRMS a meme? Is it worth $45?

Sitting on a GTX 1080, a power supply, and a case. Need to build this thing

>>62026600
no, not that much money. just looking for simple solution, nothing fancy. at least 70"x30"

>>62026617
Ikea is your best option then

>>62026613
isn't b350 an ayymd chipset?

>>62026625
yes it is
he said INTEL NIC

>>62026634
oh oops

>>62026625
NIC = network interface controller aka the ethernet port

>>62026613
Refer to
>>62026312

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Currently planned build. Will be getting everything but the gpu from microcenter. Any changes?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nts96X

>>62026707
Better case?

>>62026600
how much money we talking?

>>62026728
Minimum 1k. But if it is well done, the desk will easily serve you for decades provided you take good care of it and don't let it get infested by mites.

>>62026707
Get a better case, you absolute pleb.

Swap out the monitor for something that has more than 60hz. Go for 144hz.

Oh, and for the love of God, get a better PSU. Gold at least.

>>62026769
>Gold at least.
You know PSU rating has no bearing with the actual quality of the PSU right? A seasonic bronze will still be better than a Raidmax gold by a large margin. Gold/Silver/Bronze only measures efficiency of a PSU in converting electricity. So a lower rated one simply pulls more watts off the wall. This only affects you if you are running your PC 10+ hours a day all year or 24/7/365.

>>62026716
>>62026769
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GWwRWX

Better?

3400$ needed for media work and game/streaming.

was looking at the i9-7900X and a 1080ti of course. Or a duel pc setup with the 7700k or 8700k and a R7 1700

>>62026841
Seasonic. Don't get corsair garbage.
Case is fine but you can afford a S340, P400s or if you really want Corsair 200R.

Should I upgrade buy a more powerful CPU. I'm worried the r5 1600 might bottleneck the 1070

>>62026866
No it won't.

>>62026866
Checked

No. It won't bottleneck. On stock cooler you can OC to about 3.7ghz. Maybe higher. Depends on case and airflow.

>>62026855
the 8350k will basically be a 7700k for like $170 so you might wanna wait™ for that if you plan on going with the dual pc setup.

>ordered my parts, I r
>realized I got wrong a cpu cooler
according to this it won't fit either my motherboard and my case https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QHWF2R
>Can't cancel my order

I heard you could fit almost any CPU cooler in any mobo and I saw a completed build with the same cooler and case who claimed it fitted although provided no picture of his closed case.

If I'm truly fucked my r5 1600 comes with a stock cooler.

>>62026960
>If I'm truly fucked my r5 1600 comes with a stock cooler
You better pray that the stock cooler can fit in your case. Don't tell me you got one of those small shits.

>>62026960
http://www.coolermaster.com/amd-am4-ryzen-compatability/en/
It is compatible. You will however need one of these which you can order. It just doesn't come compatible out of the box

My local Microcenter has an open box 1080 Ti Gaming X for $675. Should I buy this since Volta isn't coming anytime soon?

>>62027070
Snatch it the fuck up.
Just make sure it has warranty and all that jazz since it is an open box.

>>62027088
I called them this morning and they said it comes with the manufacturer warranty

>>62027099
Buy it, nigger. Drive up there right now.

>>62027099
What the fuck are you waiting for?

>>62027104
>>62027110

its 1 am I think they are closed :(
It's still in stock on the website tho I'm gonna reserve it right now

>>62026600
>>62026595
buy a dinner table. mine was $800 solid jarrah i think. huge and squared, the perfect desk

can anyone give me an idea of how long the 7900X would last for a game/workstation with todays games an future upgrades needed. would it be smart cause i don't want to have to get two pc's just so i can have better quality in both tasks

>>62027183
About a month before it burns down your house and kills you.

>>62027183
about 6 minutes before the cpu melts

>>62027212
>>62027215
Uncanny.

can i get a actual reply to my 7900X question

>>62027279
In workstation tasks it loses to Threadripper. It costs the same while having 6 cores and 12 threads more, doesn't consume as much power (which itself is ayylmao) or run as hot.

>>62027279
Get a Threadripper, nigger. More Cores + Threads for the same price, and it won't kill you.

Craigslist Dude seems to have things working now. Seems the problem was the memory slot on his motherboard. So he's down a stick of RAM, but he doesn't have to sell his entire PC for scrap on Craigslist.

I lost out on hardware upgrades, but did something good.

>>62027352
Was he old? If so, you did good anon. Good job.

>>62027279
>>62027215
>>62027183
its terrible, why would you even get a rushed workstation gpu for gaming? its not as if cpus drop off fast or anything, so many 2500s are skill going strong. get epyc or thread ripper instead.

speaking of epyc why is it only available in prebuilts right now?

>>62027352
Good karma unto you anon. Maybe you tfwgf soon.

>>62027376
Low yields is probably my best guess.

>>62026915

when does this shit come out?

>Scalpers are now buying all the GTX 1060 6GBs and raising the price to $500

Urge to kill rising.

>>62027456
what are you talking about
who would scalp an old card

>>62026827
that probably covers a lot of people here

threadripper has to many problems an its not a true 16 core its two 8 cores so why would i want that

>>62026827
You need higher quality components running at comfortably below their maximum capacity to get high efficiency.
Also good soldering increases efficiency, and build quality also affects efficiency.

However, there are other things, like voltage stability, power on spikes, and thermal handling that definitely aren't definitively lumped into higher quality parts.

>>62027570
Then Just Wait™ for the Ultimate Housefire 7980x which pulls whooping 1kw out of the wall.

>>62027549
Crypto mining is a ceaseless, all-consuming, hardware-annihilating monster. They'll run out of mid-range hardware and then just devour everything else unless they're stopped.

>>62027405
yet they were able to get good yields with at least 50 percent of a fair few dies (threadripper)? would epyc even work on a x399 board?

>>62027594
Better rating =/= Higher quality. Branding is more indicative of higher quality. Like I said, I would take a seasonic bronze over a raidmax gold any day of the week so shit like
>Oh, and for the love of God, get a better PSU. Gold at least.
makes no sense. Because the person could be getting diablotek gold and it will still result in a housefire.

>>62027408
soon™

ASUS RX 580 for $240. Yes? No?

>>62027676
Yes. Snatch that the fuck up.

>>62027625
Yes. Don't get a diablotek unless you actually enjoy the smell of smoke.

>>62025187
Except the 7700k thrashes them even if its running at 100%.

I don't understand why AMDrones have to lie. So the 7700k is better at gaming... ok? Ryzen 8 cores are better at pretty much everything else.

I swear the inferiority complex of AMD owners beats Hillary voters.

>>62027726
Anything below the 1700 is bad for gaming, but the 1700 and above are arguably better for gaming in the long-term.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYPsoxpt0BU

>>62027726
AMD drones have spent a very long time denying reality so when the AMD processor is actually better (like the athlon 64 days), they don't know how to explain this to people so they just make shit up.

7700k- Pure gaming power.
Ryzens- 95% gaming power, 200% everything else.

>>62027726
>CPU at 100%
>Better at gaming

You might want to get your eyes checked if you're not seeing the stutter.

>>62027746
what would the ROI be?

>>62027741
good thing upgrading to a 1700 will be a cheap and easy upgrade by the time it matters, if there aren't much better chips for the socket by that time

What kinda a desk would allow me to view a 32 inch screen a reasonable distance?

>>62027817
http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ergoguide.html

regarding threadripper is it always output a lot heat / drawing a lot of power, and does it have the same hardware backdoor that ryzen does? because if it doesnt have it ill probably buy one.

>>62026475
Runs well

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I really wanted to sell my Fury X and get Vega, but damn the performance, availability, and pricing situation is just fucked. Want to get a Freesync monitor though and I like AMD's software better.

I don't mind waiting, when's Vega going to be available to the mainstream? Is the MSRP really $100 more than what was originally listed? As in permanently? I don't mind waiting a month or two or three. But any longer and I'm going to get pissed.

>Get psyched
>Think this OfficeMax coupon is good for something
>Not working
>Check it
>"Excludes technology."
Well fuck you too.

>>62027882
Don't be a moron. Get Nvidia. There is no reason to get Vega at the moment unless you are a literal cocksucker like the people in this thread who insist on getting an i5.

>>62027882
dude, don't buy a vega, it's a shit purchase. There're a million better purchases you can make to improve your setup while we wait for AMD's next lineup. If you don't mind waiting, wait for a good card.

>>62027676
Yes

Why does Pajeet always leave the i7 out of the OP?

>>62027913
i7 is only for gaymer kids now, it's pretty pointless

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Is the RX560 a ok choice if I prefer red to green team? What's the performance difference between it and the 1050?

>>62027840
It probably scales back when not in use like ryzen does. My 1600 is scaled to 1.55ghz right now.

>>62027923
https://www.techspot.com/review/1430-radeon-rx-560-vs-geforce-gtx-1050/

>>62027907
Nevermind. It was a false alarm. I got really fucking excited.

>>62025244
1600 does that at lower clocks lower temps and lower tdp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNMn7RWgLw&t=1084s

>>62027927
i figure as much, i mean its not a huge power draw compared to my current cpu (130w) but i just hope its not higher than a ryzen would be most of the time. id be severely under utilising it anyway

Is it worth waiting to build a computer until black friday or should I go earlier? Do parts tend to have good sales online? I assume the mining shit won't be done by then?

>>62025574
Fuck those other dudes.

Don't fuck with your well being, and if people bother you, because I know you're an autist, don't let them bully you, but; you're a good person.

>Crypto is crashing
Thank fuck.

>>62028085
Sales like black friday are just a way for stores to dump unwanted stock. Apart from stuff like cases and other non-critical bits, computer parts would see a lot of serious sale action (unless they're sketchy GPUs manufactured by obscure Chinese companies...but stay away from those). The only time there's sales is between major generational shifts and older stock becomes practically useless and unwanted, so unless you want to constantly be behind on your hardware, it's okay just about a majority of the time to go for it.

No one is really ever sure on the mining situation, it was supposed to be crashing a few weeks back but clearly it didn't make much of a difference.

>>62028162
>would see
*won't see
I gotta get better at proofreading

>>62028162
Fuck I guess I'll just have to deal with the prices then. Also what qualifies as a shitty version of a gpu? I was looking at the MSI 1080 ti to match my desired motherboard but I'm not sure if that'd be a good ti or shit. I guess I'll just buy my components one by one rather than a bulk order.

>>62028085
Part sales are pretty good but the specific hardware you're planning will probably not be on sales. If you're not on a hurry then waiting is an option but don't rely on getting anything good from there.

>>62028134
yeah this is probably the 20th time i hear that crypto is crashing

btc is already on 4000+
eth is rising
literally everything is going up

>>62028194
I'm thinking to just buy parts one at a time to spread the spending and potentially get shit cheaper. Nothing gets fucked up if I leave a part sitting in a box over the course of a month or two right? Like I can buy a gpu and leave it in it's packaging perfectly fine I assume to assemble it 3 months after.

>>62028210
>>62028194
>>62028162
Lastly would this be an okay build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rhfNCy

>>62028229
1600 might bottleneck the 1080ti.
Consider a 1700.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WcrKr7
Opinions? Already have a mini itx case

>>62028256
If a 1600 bottlenecks a1080Ti, we're all in trouble. The 1600 has identical performance to the i7 6800K and those things don't bottleneck a 1080Ti

>>62028256
lol no nvidia drivers are optimise up to a 6 core

we are expecting nvidia to fix their stupid flush cache command on ryzen and get some more perf but given how this is nvidia we will wait years..

>>62028188
MSI, ASUS, EVGA, pretty much all the major brands you see from a quick search are usually pretty reliable (always check reviews tho just in case). You'll know a chink card when you see it.

>>62028229
Some people might say something about Seagate but you're lookin' good.

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>>62028209
>btc is already on 4000+
:^)

>>62028284

what about single/4core performance

>>62028294
Alright I will start slowly buying I suppose then. I assume it's best to hold off on the expensive shit until towards the end of buying the parts? In case they go on sale or a cheaper one's listed or something like that. I did look up reviews and it seems like they're majority positive. Although some people seem to have gotten unlucky and theirs either was doa or fucked off about 3 weeks in. I assume that's potential for every card though?
>>62028256
Every search I've done said it's fine for a ti. Though I imagine I can easily upgrade in the future if it did somehow hinder performance.

>>62028321
and its back to 3852 your point being? it had 6 crashes so far and its still going LOL

>>62028348
It won't come down naturally. It needs government involvement. Its real test will come when it attempts to move to PoS or when the China govt gets sick of their people laundering money with BTC and ban it.

>>62028332
again. identical to the 6800K. And going forward, multi-core performance will matter more. The 2 most recent APIs for games, DirectX12 and Vulkan are MAJOR departures from the past because they are heavily multicore/multithread dependent, unlike DirectX11 and older versions, and OpenGL

>>62028379
>Its real test will come
The biggest achilles heel of crypto comes where it inconveniences us. It's the big weakness. Involvement in cryptocurrency requires hardware. Only a few companies on the planet can product the sort of hardware required for cryptocurrency. And so the minute THEY get tired of the instability and the destruction of their customer base by the card-poaching crypto-bastards, they're fucked.

>>62028404
Those companies are china companies and majority of them are use to facilitate the movement of money overseas by China billionaires. Especially now that China is clamping down on the movement of money overseas by their wealthy.

>>62026020
they're buying DDR-400 because it looks like DDR4?

>>62028441
They're laying shit out on carpeting.

>>62028343
I doubt Ryzen will change in price anytime soon, RAM might get a bit cheaper, and GPUs can get more expensive or drop back down to normal price, no one knows. But yeah, you can take your time, but it's not the greatest idea to let return windows run out.

Even enthusiast level cards are inherently flawed so it's natural that some of them are DOA. You definitely should test it while you can return it.

>>62027352

Bravo.

Zen 2 when? Im building next June and dont really wanna be stuck with Jewtel since my rig is primarily for gaming. The 8700k looks decent enough based on rumors but id rather not buy an intel just to spend more money on a delidding afterwards with no upgrade without a new mobo.

My niggas what is the best value mid-range AM4 motherboard right now? I don't want to shekel up for a republic of gaymers or taichi meme-board but I want something that will handle overclocking a Zen2+++XYZ chip in 2021.

>>62028684
2019

>>62028684
2018 is the best bet but if you dont hear any rumors around january id say 2019

>>62028684
All we know is it's in 2018. Early reports said 3Q of 2018, but recent reports just say 2018, so we don't know. For all we know, if could come in February, like how Vishera fixed everything with Bulldozer and met the original goals and was introduced a year after Bulldozer.

>>62028692
The current sweet sport is the MSI B350 Tomahawk, and the MSI B350M Mortar depending on if you want ATX or mATX.

>>62028693
Well fuck. Maybe 8700k will be the move then barring some sort of ryzen refresh

Do any non-gaudy motherboards exist anymore?

>>62028726
they seem to have restricted the led gay fest to the high end and less on the lower brackets

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If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

>>62027923
>What's the performance difference between it and the 1050?
Basically none
Go for the cheaper one

>>62028719
If you're planning to go with Zen2 then going Ryzen now is the better choice. You don't have to buy a new motherboard for Ryzen lineup until after 2020 because all new stuff will be on the same board.

R5 1500x vs r5 1600. What performance difference Is there really? Is it worth getting a 1600 or just a 1500x and overclocking it?

>>62028904
>>62028904
R1600

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>>62028762
>BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
>Your son may try to install " lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
>If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
GNU/Linuxfags will defend this

>>62028904
Do people not read OPs these days?

Why is /pcbg/ still spreading FUD about Vega? It might be a mediocre product, but we need to support AMD so that The Jew (Intel and Nvidia) doesn't grow larger. They are the enemy of the White Man.

>>62028987
Pajeet please

>>62028923
I read the op you shit. Feel free to enlighten me on the details between the two beyond the op's "it's better" detailing.

Okay slightly modified the partslist again, is there any issues with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CBNKr7 got it 40 dollars down from basically 1600. Not sure if there are any other ways to lower the price without impacting performance/moving off the ti.

if ram says for amd is there anything actually specific to amd? its just marketing buzzword right?

>>62029032
It's probably on the QVL

>>62029032
Probably means it is compatible with Ryzen since Ryzen is picky about RAM modules.

>>62029028
A cheaper case I guess but that is about it. That or picking up a mobo + CPU which might save you money.

anything wrong with the x399 taichi? cheapest board i can get

>>62029020
1600: 6 cores:12 threads
1500x: 4 cores:8threads

>>62029061
I should be good cooling wise right? I've heard the stock cpu cooler that comes with the 1600 is fine even if you overclock it mildly/lightly but I'm worried I may need a case fan or something due to the 1080ti? Or do you think it'll be fine with the stock shit?

>>62029078
>ass rock

>>62029078
Its made by AssCock

>>62029088
N400 comes with 2 case fans so it should be fine.

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Ausfag here how did i do?

Gonna reuse my 390x, psu, case and all other shit

>>62029164
>buying ryzen
>not waiting a month for 8700K
Pretty embarrassing.

>>62029111
Apparently I'd have to buy a 2.5" to 3.5" for my SSD with that case so I'm wondering whether https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PLWNCy would be a better cheap option. That case seems obscure yet has decent reviews, 5 fans although is a bit tight evidently.

>>62029264
That case is ugly as fuck.

>>62029220
>buying a 8700k
>having to pay for the OC ability
>having to pay for a Z series M/B
>not buying a 1700 instead
>nvm the housefire

k

>>62029297
Yeah I scrapped the idea already. It's reviews seem to suggest the fans are shit anyways. Fuck it I'll just spend 10 bucks for a 2.5" to 3.5" thing to use an ssd with the original case choice.

>>62029312
You don't have to. Just tape the SSD do the bottom of the case. That will do. The SSD has no moving parts so it is not like you need to mount it properly. Just put it somewhere where it won't overheat and you are gold.

>>62029307
>not realising a 8700K and mobo is only going to be like 25% more expensive than 1600X and mobo
>not realising it will absolutely smoke a 1600X in absolutely all circumstances
Damn, you didn't even try, did you?

>>62029312
SSD's don't even get hot and are fine to move about, just throw it anywhere in your case and it's fine. Unless you put it ontop of your GPU or some shit temperature isn't going to be an issue.

>>62029335
>>62029358
Oh. Well I guess the original $1550 works then. Thanks anons.

>>62029220
>buying a 8700k
>having to pay for the OC ability
>having to pay for a Z series M/B
>not buying a 1700 instead
>nvm the housefire

k


>>62029340
25% more money=1700
for muh gaymen needs, a 1600 OCed is plenty

>muh 8th gen coffin lake housefire

t. 6700k owner

>>62025157
Case, No need to use Black Edition HDD (Blue Edition or similiar is better), No need to use case fan. Can invest in better GPU if you want, increase ram speed to 3200Mhz

>>62029442
1700 is going to be slower than 8700K, and you sure are fuken stupid if you think any Ryzen chip will even come close to 8700K in gaymen.

t. person smarter than u

>>62029456
perf/$ is shit.
try doing something else while gayming with your 8700k
ryzen is a better choice in the long term

prove me wrong
pro tip: you cant

FUCK BITCOIN MINERS
FUCK FAGGOTS
THIS WAS THE MONTH I WAS GOING TO PURCHASE ALL MY PARTS BUT THE PRICES HAVE JACKED UP
FUCK YOU FAGGOTS

>>62029502
No one mines Bitcoins anymore.
It is the Eth miners you wanna fuck.

>>62029501
>1600
>6 cores
>8700k
>6 cores
>8700k has better single thread perf
>'lol dued try doin anythin else while u game on that thing my man'
???

>>62029220
b-but intel is only good for niche games and costs twice as much for a mobo with less features and the thermal jizz is shite
>>62029307
this

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>>62029502
>muh vidyogems
and nothing of value was lost. at least miners are doing something productive

>>62029519
>Eth miners
The fuck is eth and why did it become huge enough to fuck our prices up?

>>62029556
cryptocurrency

>>62029537
>8700k has 100% more price than 1600 for +5% performance clock to clock

Nah

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jsrNCy

Any suggestions? Vega is up in the air cause apparently it's doa, but I'll try and stay hopeful.

>>62029556
Eth is an type of currency similar to Bitcoin but it difference is that it isn't vulnerable to ASIC so companies can't manufacturer specific hardware tailored to mine them but rather they rely on GPU instead.

>>62025916
These guys are top stuff. I got their fans long time ago, never want to buy other fans again. And the price... Top shit

>>62029590
cryptocurrency based around HDDs when?

>>62029548
>at least miners are doing something productive
By contributing to global warming?

>>62029574
Vega is DOA. Get Nvidia.

>>62029600
HDD can never do any computations so never.

>>62029537
avoided all my points but nvm.

>shit TIM in order to save that 0.0001 shekels from manufacturing costs
>AM4 WILL support Zen 7nm unlike my 100 series M/B, bc 100 series never meant for 6 cores and shieet bc what is bios update

just spend 30% more money for a 8700k instead of a 1700, bc surely that 10-20 fps while playing at 140 fps surely matter.

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>>62029164
>not just paying $25 extra for a D15

>>62029644
>being this assmad that a 30% greater expenditure yields 30% more performance
>hasn't even commented on the fact 8700K will literally piss and shit on a ryzen in older single-threaded games

>>62029684
Is some extra serial performance really worth needing to buy a new motherboard every other week, though?

>>62029684


>>62029684
guess what
your computer wont struggle with older single threaded games, except if you play them with a potato graphics card

also, that 30% does not include the extra shekels for a Z series M/B.

>0.05 shekels have been deposited to your account

you must be a pro at avoiding valid points and reason

>>62029726
>>62029739
Sorry boys but for those of us who aren't piss-poor and don't have to penny-pinch the 8700K is the obvious choice.>>62029739

>your computer wont struggle with older single threaded games
Demonstrably untrue my friend, there are an awful lot of older games out there with shit multi-threading where single-core performance is all that matters. You only have to look at the difference in CSGO (which isn't even that heavily single-threaded) between Ryzen and 7700K to see that.

>>62029100
>>62029103
second cheapest is that asus eatx one. its over $100 more though. seriously though asrock doesnt seem to be that bad,

>>62029806
>muh CSGO benchmarks
>200 fps instead of 250

THANK YOU BASED INTEL
DONT FORGET TO DELID YOUR CPU AFTET 5 OR SO YEARS BC THERMALS WILL BE SHIT BY THEN.

>>62029677
i already have a older noctura cooler migth see what works better

>>62024668

>AMD MORE THREADS!
>slower than i5-7600K in any real world application or gaming
>AMD using theoretical situations to justify it their price

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>>62029842
You already knew the difference was more significant than 25%, but I'll post this anyway.

>>62029866
you have a 400Hz refresh rate monitor, dont you?

will I get the jizz I'm suppose to put between the cpu and the heat sink with the cpu, or do I have to buy separately?

>>62029882
The coolers that come with your CPU have it pre applied.

If you buy an aftermarket cooler, you'll need to buy one separate. I highly recommend the NT-H1.

If you want to remove this thing, you'll need isopropyl alcohol, though rubbing alcohol will work as well.

>>62029876
Please stop commenting unless you've actually played CSGO. 300FPS in that benchmark usually means you're dropping down to 80FPS in the smoke section, which really means you're only getting about 120FPS on the shittier optimised maps at 16:9 FOV. There is an enormous difference in the smoothness of your mouse movements in CSGO even between 150 and 200FPS.

The point is a 7700K at stock clocks has a fucking 50% lead over 3.9Ghz Ryzen, in older titles that means a 50% lead or more. There are many older games out there that are still heavily CPU dependent because CPU single-core performance has been almost completely stagnant since Sandy Bridge.

Go kill yourself my man.

>>62029910
how do I know if my CPU will come with a cooler, I'm buying from a small east euro chain (as I'm east euro)
the CPU will be a Pentium

>>62029926
>he is a ""'"competitive"""" gamer

Well it all makes sense now.
You do fucking realize that ANYTHING above your monitor's refresh rate is just wasted resources, and it's most likely to cause frame tearing and shit?

>plays a super low spec game at 300 fps, claims it drops at 80 fps, which is still higher than the 60Hz norm of monitors

You know that anecdotal evidence doesnt count, right?

also
>what is placebo

>>62029959
If you're buying the "box" variant.
There is also a "tray" variant, which in your case, you should avoid.

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last time I posted it I used a pcpartspicker and there were no issues, I got told to get a proper PSU so I did (I think I did).
so hows my budget build lads?

>>62029926
the funny thing is csgo only gets such shit fps is because its an unoptimised buggy mess

>>62029976
csgo players all use 144hz tn monitors

>>62030004
ryzen 1200

>>62030030
k.

>>62029976
>'You do fucking realize that ANYTHING above your monitor's refresh rate is just wasted resources, and it's most likely to cause frame tearing and shit?'
>posting this literal garbage opinion when he didn't even take 25 seconds to fire up a game, set some different FPS caps and test his own crappy theory himself
My monitor is only 110Hz, the differences between 120, 150 and 200FPS on it are plain as fucking day in terms of the smoothness of the mouse movements and reducing screen-tearing. My shitty Ivy Bridge CPU can only do about 200FPS on most maps. Any higher than that and it's diminishing returns, I can't really see any difference between 300FPS and 900FPS. I'd expect on a 144Hz panel the differences would be more noticable. An easy way to test this is fire up any old FPS on a private server that has commands to let you determine the speed runs at (to reduce CPU load and allow massive framerates), in CSGO its host_timescale X.

I really wish Moot implemented an IQ test before you were allowed to make a 4chan account, it would filter out a lot of the retards like you.

>>62029976
What is input lag?

>>62026341
PLC

>>62030071
your cpu is definetely responsible for that

>>62030030
>ryzen 1200
It would inflate the budget a bit, is it really worth it for a gaymen machine?
4 cores vs 2 cores, how much does it matter in most nonvidya tasks most of which are fine on an old thinkpad?

>>62030095
it would be useful for muh gaymen, plus you can OC it if you get a B350 board

>>62030095
very much so. the pentium is honestly for only the super poor and is barely keeping up as is. youll be quite disappointed quite soon. 4 cores are utilised by quite a lot of games actually.

>>62025177
What lmao? U some kinda fucking retard or something?

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-960-Pro-NVMe-PCIe-M2-512GB-vs-Samsung-850-Pro-512GB/m182182vs3478

>>62030122
And on top of that, the LGA 1151 socket is pretty much dead. Coffee Lake is confirmed to require a new motherboard, and the AM4 socket is good for years and already has a fantastic upgrade path

>>62026554
>buying windows

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>>62030109
>>62030122
ok lads, you moved me
I've never had a non intell before
I was feeling shit for never getting a 4 core anyway.
pic is the revised build, is the mobo good? I want to have lots of disks and it looks to have all the stuff, but it's the cheapest one so I don't know what I'm missing

>>62030272
it seems fine. do you need wifi? consider too a better case

>>62030272
Consider an Asus prime b350 plus

>>62030316
also this, you can literary build the computer on the m/b box and save money for a better case, tottaly worth it imo if youre careful

>>62028263
just use the stock cooler and get faster ram

>>62028263
oh and don't buy windows for full price

>>62029574
>watercooling meme
Get 1700X + a good air cooler

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jCz2yf

First build. What does /g/ think?

>>62029600
Already exist, just not that popular

>>62030430
Wait for Coffee Lake.

Other than that, fine.

>>62030316
>>62030333
what would a better case be? I was looking something I can put a lot of hdds in.
I have wifi, but I use a cable for the desktop
what is the benefit of asus prime? it's 25$ more.
I'm a bit over what I wanted to spend, but I can drop money into it, I just don't want to overcommit to the build, I haven't played games for close to two years and this is to see if I can still enjoy it if I had the proper framerate and could run the newer games.

>>62030495
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D

>>62030495
the only thing i can say for sure is that the prime should be more reliable
im phoneposting atm

>>62030511
not available at the shop I'll be using

>>62030564
i got the i5 dirt cheap
what's wrong with the RAM?

Zotac amp extreme 1080 or evga ftw 1080? They're about the same price

>>62030614
>i got the i5 dirt cheap
All right then. But where's the power supply?

>>62030628
The one with moar MHz.

>>62030628
Aorus, MSI gaming or Strix.

If you can't get one of those just get the AMP.

>>62030645
Oh wanted to ask what kind of PSU I need as well

>>62030593
>Corsair Obsidian Series 450D
which shop?

alternatives:
Silverstone PS11
NZXT S340

>>62030430
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jCz2yf

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zwg2yf

>>62025824
>EVGA Bronze...

Aside from that you'll want to get RAM that utilizes Samsung B-Die chips, these chips play very nicely with Ryzen, also be aware that Ryzen works better with higher clocked RAM so the higher you can get the better. I'd suggest either Trident Z or Flare X (Flare X is marketed as being 'optimized' for Ryzen, from what I can tell they are just about the same but with some timing differences that are supposed to work better with AMD).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

>>62030430
>>62030732
You're both trash.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9fyJr7

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>>62025824

>>62026312
Lmao you're a complete faggot

>>62030776
>>62030782

>>62026355
Yeah it's called canceling you dumb fuck. You think distributors are just gonna put your shit in a room like 'oh we're just gonna hold this for this special snowflake! He's such a nice guy'