/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Coffin Lake Edition

death to miners

>>62017575
just realised how much i fucked up the edges in the image
the power of GIMP i guess

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>>62017612
You rike?

Are all of my components going to be rip if I go AIO cooler?

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if anyone here has bitfenix spectre pro 140mm case fans can you please tell whether it's solid black under the logo sticker, the sticker isn't centered so it looks wobbly when the fan is spinning and i want to take the sticker off but i'm afraid there's a screwhole or something

>>62017788
No, why would they?

>>62017788
yes if you install a radiator on the front of the case it blasts hot air into your case and your components will die and if you put it on exhaust hot air can't escape your case because the radiator is blocking the exits

>>62017836
because liquid on thousand dollar components is not good.

>>62017869
the liquid stays inside the pipes, radiator and waterblock. it doesn't go on the components.

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>The only Vega 64 in stock here costs 1200 bucks
Thank fuck I'm not a waste of space gaymur manchild, I don't need anything more than a 560, it's hilarious seeing people pooping their pants because of the big meanie miners stealing their precious gaymur hardware

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm about to get a new pc and I know it's coming pre-installed with windows 10. I want to get rid of 10 and install windows 7 on it but paranoia has gotten the best of me.
Can I get a link to a safe download that won't fuck me over?

>>62017906
but what if it leaks.

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I'm helping a friend build a PC on a tight budget and I'd appreciate any feedback on what we've got so far. I haven't built a PC since the one I'm using 5 years ago so I'm out of touch with what's out right now. It will mostly be used for gaming.

Budget is $600-800

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
CPU: Either an R3 or R5 depending on what the final budget actually is
Mobo: MSI Gaming AMD Ryzen B350 DDR4
PSU: EVGA 500Watt
RAM: Ballistix Elite 8GB Single DDR4 3000 MT/s (will upgrade to 16 if budget allows)
Storage: WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM
Peripheral: HP Pavilion 22cwa 21.5-inch IPS LED Backlit Monitor

>>62017716
no

>>62017937
consider spending more on monitor since it's the most important part of the build. with that budget you should stay in 8gb ram

>>62017937
>HP Pavilion 22cwa 21.5-inch

that won't do anon

G-Sync 144 HZ IPS WQHD panel that isn't the ROG Swift. Does it exist?

>>62018323
gib a good one what won't break the bank then

>>62017912
Upgrade to a 1050 or 1050 ti IMO.

>>62018345
Viewsonic XG2703-GS
Acer XB271HU
AOC AG271QG
Dell S2716DG

>>62018353
Acer H236HLbid

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>>62017575
I've managed to finish my build which was easy enough but I can't for the life of me decide on a monitor to buy.


Send help.

>>62018400
well what's your build anon?

Are the VS series from corsair any good?

>>62018359
The 1050 isn't an upgrade with 2GB VRAM and the 1050 Ti is much more expensive

>>62018420
GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1
Ripjaws V Series 16GB
Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz

Any real point in upgrading from a 4690k OC'd to 4.4GHZ to coffee lake? I realize it isn't out yet, but I figure if I'm a few generations behind there should be some kind of noticeable difference along with DDR4 right?

Not having any issues except for my CF 390s more often than not being barely supported, but I'm getting around 70-80% usage on my CPU nowadays.

>>62018489
Upgrade when you feel like your computer is too slow at whatever you do.

>>62018315
>>62018323
Thanks guys, got a suggestion for a better one? I honestly didn't look at the monitor at all and let him pick one out. I made the same fuckup when I paired my $1200 build with a 720p monitor from 2005 which I only just replaced last month.

will a cryorig h5 with push/pull let me oc r7 1700 as far as it will go before silicon limit? I heard ryzen usually hits lottery limit before thermal limit

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>>62017575
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHHAAAAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>62018400

Benq gw2765ht

>>62018517
Not that guy but my locked skylake didn't have that much lifetime in it, it seems.

>>62018471
what's your budget? with gtx 1080 you should choose between 1080p144hz, 1440p144hz and 4k60hz. 1440p60 imo isn't much of an upgrade over 1080p60hz.

1080p144hz are all TN panels (with an exception of 2 samsung monitors) so the colour accuracy isn't that good. it's the best choice if you play a lot of FPS/competitive games and stuff like that without spending much. good 1080p144hz monitor is ~$250 or less.
1440p 144hz monitors are great but cost a lot. if you're interested in that then check >>62018395 for models. they have everything that matters: resolution higher than full hd, high refresh rate and good colour accuracy.
4k60hz is when you don't care about higher refresh rate and just play singleplayer stuff / watch movies and also want a big screen.

>>62018578
1080p144hz would be a better choice imo.

>>62018558
yeah it will be fine

>>62018489
>there should be some kind of noticeable difference along with DDR4 right?

only in very specific use cases
not worth upgrading

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>>62018564
>that little intel shills face right now

>>62018630
I'd like to be spending sub 300. I'd prefer to have a 27" size. I'm not a 4k enthusiast so I'm not too concerned about those. I'll probably look more into 1080p 144hz.

Is it worth it to save some extra cash to get the 1700 instead of the 1600 for stuff like Lightroom, Premiere and Ableton Live? Is the performance gain all that noticeable?

>Some Intel H110 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Kaby Lake-S CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
is this a meme warning or am I choosing the motherboard wrong, I'm just looking for the cheapest thing that will hold lots of drives for muh budget build

>>62018662
the same person claimed that all PSUs are the same and recommended people to buy evga 500w for 7700k/1080ti builds

>>62018707
27" is already 1440p territory. on 1080p from a close distance you'll be able to notice pixels due to low pixel density.
with 1080p you shouldn't go above 24". viewsonic xg2401 is the best choice in that category.

>>62018764
100 chipset was for skylake not kaby lake. You can flash the bios if you have a skylake cpu, otherwise it won't work.

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>>62018707

Benq GW2765HT
it's 1440p with stunning color, can download accurate color profile from tftcentral
rocking it myself, absolutely wonderful display for the price, no back-light bleed no dead pixels

1080p is not optimal for your build

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>>62018662
>tfw AMD is gonna do some 990FX bullshit where you can run your X370 board for years and get new CPUs for it

>>62018764
kaby lake cpus were released after h110 chipset motherboards, so in order to work on them the mobos need a BIOS update. ordering h110 is a gamble since you might get one with older bios, unless the seller guarantees otherwise. you can update bios yourself but you need a skylake cpu to do it. get mobo with b250 chipset if you want to be sure it works.

>>62018730

depends on how easy it is for you to spend those extra dollars
I'd go 1600 and OC it to 3.8, getting absolutely best of the best value/performance CPU

>>62018662
Three sockets a year keeps the goyim in fear.

Is IPS still worth it if I'm colorblind? Or are there other reasons to chose IPS?

>>62018886

it's worth it, even if you're color blind you could still see the difference and it has much better viewing angles, modern IPS pricing is so low that there's no point to go TN

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>>62018886

What's the lowest I should expect to spend for a good 1080p 144hz IPS monitor?

>>62018768
>>62018809
I'm a little torn between whether getting 1440p at 60hz or 1080p at 144hz would be better.

>>62018963
>1080p 144hz IPS monitor
they literally do not exist

>>62018985
144hz all the way. the smoothness is just too good.

>>62018985

144hz is good, but 1440p is just as good, if you're having a hard time to choose between, you have an option to buy Korea monitor like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Crossover-27-FAST-144-DP-HDMI-AH-VA-144Hz-2560x1440-Monitor-Remote-/131820713220?epid=1141007805&hash=item1eb1207504:g:-woAAOSwCM5XPqTE

which is 1440p, IPS and 144hz at the same time
it's all about ur budget, but 1440p is worth it

>>62019054
>$450 for a gook panel

>>62019069
>gook panel

what? its literally the same panel as in thos expensive Asus ROG and Acer Predator stuff, it's made by the same manufacturer on the same production line
don't type if you don't know how this works

>>62019090
anon are you smarty pants?

>>62018931
why am I able to tell a difference while using TN panel?

>>62019054
>>62019090
"We consider normal monitors may have 0 - 5 dead pixels."
quality

>>62019104

yes I am if it means knowing more than you, who literally doesn't know how binning works, there are only few panel manufacturers in the world, if it says Asus or Acer or Benq or even Crossover on the monitor it doesn't mean that they made the panel
read into it if you want to enlighten yourself
I assume you're the one advocating for 1080p 144hz instead of 1440p, very unwise anon, very

>>62019137
but anon I am not that anon.

I think you are qt smarty pants. Did not read what you said until that first comma

>>62019137
>you're the one advocating for 1080p 144hz instead of 1440p
that would be me. 1440p60hz is a meme and most people wouldn't even notice a difference between 1080p and 1440p during gameplay, whereas 144hz is significantly better and more distinguishable.
please leave my thread.

Feeling guilty about spending 800 euros on a gtx1080 and new monitor even though i have enough money

>>62019277
me too. I spent about 1100 on a 1080 ti and new monitor

I intend to have 8 gigs of ram, how should I buy it, 4x2 or 8x1? The second way let's me fall for the 16 gig meme in a few years, but what does this mean for performance?

>>62019277
Think about how you'll be well off for years without any worries about your system.

>>62019298
USD

>>62018855
It's 4 now man

In my hunger for a videocard, I ended up getting a new 1060 6GB for 279 yuros, did I get jewed hard or only a little?

>tfw been using a 2600k since 2011
What's Ryzen equivalent to 8700k? I'm on 1440p and literally only using my CPU for games and recording.

>>62019384
RYZEN 1800X

>>62019396
>Recommending 1800x

It has no reason to exist. Just get a 1700 and overclock.

>>62019371
Only a little to not at all depending on the model

>>62019371
Pretty good deal. Does it have dual fans?

>>62017575
Hypothetical here. Say you were building a PC that you wanted to play games on for a decade with only upgrading the GPU or adding more ram if needed.
Would you buy threadripper 1950x? Or wait for the 8700k?

$44 left in my bank account after mistress lisa su wallet raped me

>>62019536
Did it feel good?

>>62019535
r7

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>>62019536
>Somehow ran my bank account to -$5.14
>Still need the FX8350 and ram for the rig.

I can either get a 500GB SSD or a 256GB SSD and another 8GB of RAM, which one should i go for?

I've got a couple thousand pics and shit i'd want to put on the SSD so i don't know if that'll be enough with the way SSD's handle their storage stuff (regardless of me installing most games on my external HDD or not) it was fine for my 320gb HDD though

>>62019559
an amd cuck such as myself isnt allowed to feel pleasure

>>62019568
>FX8350
Why?

>>62019599
Started collecting parts months ago, motherboard here, cpu cooler there, it's looking like a real build teasing me in the closet.

>>62019581
Why do you want to use the SSD to store images?

>>62019585
But intelfags are the cucks.

>>62019621
>>62019621
Why the fuck not? Maybe cuz that's what's a storage medium is there for

>>62019562
I know it's a better value for FPS today right now but couldn't I just turn my 1950x into a 1800x by toggling off some cores if I wanted to?
10 years is a LONG times. Having something with so much more raw power has to be worth something even if it is palatalized.

Is AMD also comitted to TR4 for a few generations like they are with AM4?
It seems that skylake X is also a good option but cooling is too much money ontop of a 7900x where as I'd barely have to spend shit to cool threadripper. Also delidding feels mandatory. I know the 7900x is way better than TR for gaming but I'm 100% content with the 1950x's gaming performance today.
I think it might hold that level of performance for far longer than something like a 1700 or 7700k even though those two are superior today right now.

>>62019471
>>62019527

It's the Palit GeForce GTX 1060 DUAL 6GB

It has dual fans and it seemed like miracle bargain since even 3GB models are priced up the ass in the high 300s.

Thoughts on this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z3PwsJ

Budget is around $1350 excluding the monitor, used for mostly gaming

>>62019714
Palit is alright. Not a top tier brand but that's not a top tier card either so it's fine. In my country that card is 339e.

>>62019722
>DDR4-2133
>$328 gtx 1060
>$150 case
Come the fuck on

>>62019841
I'm not experienced in this yet, only did a build once about 4 years ago. The build I posted so far was just picking highly rated parts that fit my budget so far. Adjustments very appreciated

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Really tempted to sacrifice the integrity of my build just to buy a single expensive feature-loaded case instead of a cheap shitty case.

>>62019874
features such as?

>>62019869
Faster RAM, 3000/3200MHz
A cheaper case

I've got an Asrock AB350 pro4 motherboard. I was trying to attach the cpu heatsink (deepcool gamaxx 400) when I realized that the bracket clips don't fucking fit. I mean, I can get one of them on, but the heatsink is then sitting at like, a 30 degree angle to the cpu.

Do I have to get a new cooler, or am I just missing something obvious? (first time pc builder btw.)

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>>62019874
>Not getting a flimsy ass case for your hardware like a true gent

>>62019885
Really spacey, designed for maximum ventilation, PSU shroud, door-facing HDD bays. 5.25" bays, 2x USB 3.0 & 2x USB 2.0 on top, actually engineered case feet.

>>62019929
Also, the most important thing. Instead of a slot-aligning shitty case door, it has rails.

>>62019900
I've updated the RAM and case, do you have any suggestions on the video card? I'm not really informed on this

>>62019943
I feel it's important to go on about the importance of the door rails. The last case I had used slots. They never lined up. And then they required force. And then I got pissed and twisted a solid sheet of pretty heavy duty steel like a pretzel.

And that's why I need a new case to begin with.

>>62019722
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D2hhHN

>>62019954
Sorry, link changed and I didn't realize.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n4x8NN

Is my mobo fine?

>>62019901
Probably not AM4 compatible?

>>62019971
This list looks very improved over mine

>>62019901
What Ryzen cpu did you get? No stock cooler? Picture please, its probably not compatible

>>62019922
>5.25 bays
>two 3.5 inch bays
>all those hard drive slots
What case it that? that's kinda sick, you don't see spots for card readers these days.

>>62019971
Any reason for the smaller SSD? the larger one had good reviews and was 20 bucks cheaper

>>62017575
Is there anyway to get windows 7 to install on newest generation of cpus?

I've only got a win 7 pro usb stick.

>>62020073
Disable secure boot. Legacy mode in the BIOS.

>>62020047
My mistake
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8wN8NN

is buying the most lidl brand of ram the correct course and do I buy 1x8 or 2x4?

>>62020073
Windows 10 is gay with all the spying shit but I finally gave in so I could play gears and it's not bad. Did my best to shut down the spying but I'm sure it's not very effective. It's a good OS on a machine you use often. If you put it on a computer you only use once a week or something it doesn't do as well IMO. Always updating and shit. It's designed for a system that's in use.
I prefer it to 7 now in all ways but the spying.

>>62019968
Mastercase 5.

>>62020141
Thanks a bunch. Do you think a GTX 1080 is overkill? Friend of mine is going for about the same budget and he's going for a $500 card. I'm building mine at the same time to see what I come up with but I feel like he might be overkilling. Thoughts?

Here's the guide he's referencing: https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/dNj48d/

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I has question. What is a good place to sell an old part like a 4690k or a PSU. I know eBay is an option, but what are other options?

>>62020185
>Always updating and shit
Not Windows 10 LTSB :^)

:^(

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Should I wait to upgrade?

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Is freesync a useless feature for NVIDIA card users? Are Gsync monitors a meme?

>>62020218
>DDR3 800MHz
Anon pls.

>>62020218
Do you want to stay at 1080p 60hz? If so you can get by with just a GPU upgrade. Suggest a 1060 6gb or something like a used 980ti.

>>62020195
That guide recommends i5 over r5

>>62020231
it's 1333, idk it's bugged
>>62020236
yeah, not moving from 1080p
is 1060 (or 480) going to drop in price? or should i go used?

>>62020229
Freesync is pretty TEARable (get it) and you gotta pay for G-Sync
Adaptive synchronization is pretty meme tier, it's just not quite there yet

>>62020273
It's cool I'll blame it on the ass rock.board, as long as it works.

>>62020273
If you can get a 1060 6 at $300 or less it's not bad. The shitty ones were $260 when I bought mine on launch so it's only slightly more expensive.
Go used if you can find a good price on something. I passed up a $400 1080 for a $330 980ti with a water cooler.
Maxwell is nice because of the bios modding.
You might be able to find a 580 at $300 but it wont be easy.
580 vs 1060 comes down to the games you play. Both should be overclocked(undervolted sometimes for 580) for the best performance.
Shame a few months ago you could get a 480 for like $170 on sale

>>62020325
yeah, i was going to buy the 480 but then the ethereum shit happened, i'll wait for a deal. ty

>>62020273
970s are ~$200 on ebay. Not bad, and they can OC pretty well. I don't know if the GPU market will ever return to normalcy.

I'm an east euro for starters, I'll be using one of the local retailers for parts but it doesn't say if the CPU has any kind of stock cooler and I'm doing a budget build.
I have no idea if there is usually a stock cooler in the CPU box or whatever, this is a first time thing for me, are stock coolers always shipped (come with the cpu)?

>>62020431
why don't we just build a proof of concept xbox/wii mining rig so they inflate that market instead

>>62020462
some are, some aren't. what cpu is it?

>>62020431
yeah, i'll be looking for 970 and r9 390, but oldgen AMDs are good for mining unfortunately

Today I bought a Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB Windforce with two fans for 300€. Did I get jewed?

>>62020462
they are NOT always shipped with coolers.

>>62020462
intel pentium g4600

>>62020506
at that price, yes

is that card good though?

>>62020325
where's a good place to start for OC'ing the 1060?

>>62020549
meant for
>>62020501

Hello my goyfriends

Did Intel announce the hexacore i5/i7s yet?

>>62020607
yes

>>62020549
it comes with a cooler yeah.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jkhhHN

Thoughts on GTX 1060 vs 1080? 1080 is almost double the cost of the 1060. Not sure if the returns are worth it. 1080 puts me just at the bounds of my budget so I can handle it, just not sure if it's worth it

>>62020010
1500x. And the thought of using the stock cooler had occured to me as well. Unfortunately I am not terribly smart, and picked it up by the bottom plate. I ended up wiping off most of the pre-applied thermal compound, rendering it unusable for now. (The stuff that came with the other cooler had also been cleaned off the cpu with alcohol when I realized that this cooler wasn't going to work, so at the very least I need to put this build on hold until I get some more of that stuff.) Anyway, here's a picture of the cooler sitting on the board...

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>>62020678
And here is the post where I actually include the picture.

>>62020666
If you're doing 144 Hz or 1440p/4K, it's worth it. for 1080p60, a 1060 6Go is fine.

>>62020678
>I wiped off some thermal paste so I bought another cooler
Thermal paste is cheap as fuck anon...

how can i tell if my clc is dying? corsair link says the pump is running, and the fans are literally running at airplane like speeds but my temps are telling me it's not working.
pc is in power saver mode so it's definitely not overheating from OC, it just seems like the cooler is not working at 100% even though it's providing some cooling, this an obvious sign of it dying?

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>>62020700
>>62020678
And here's where I attached the bracket to the heatsink, in case I fucked that up.

What's a good brand for case fans?

>>62020744
I bought the third-party cooler because it was better than the stock ones. I only tried to use the stock cooler after I realized I fucked up and bought a cooler that didn't fit my board.

>>62020771
noctua

>>62020722
The monitor I want supports 1440p. Should I be opting for something like the Ryzen 7 1700 and a better card instead?

>>62019535
Phenom X4 955 here, its been 6 years i bought it and i can run some AAA games at high settings and acceptable fps.

>>62020798
An R5 1600 will be fine, and you can get a 1070 or 1080 for 1440p gaming and you'll be set.

Vega 56 availability when?

64 seems shit across the board but 56 looks like it has hope so far.

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If I bought this Thinkcentre A51, do you think I could replace the motherboard with one that has 4 SATA ports?

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>>62020898
>BTX form factor
Don't do it, i'm over here building a dated FX8350 rig just to get away from it.

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Hey /pcbg/
I am an amateur PC builder, looking into upgrades for my system.
I'm considering getting a new CPU but I'm certain I'll need a new motherboard too.
I mostly use the PC for video gaming, I have fairly mid-range parts.
Attached is my specs, could someone tell me what kind of motherboard and CPU I should be looking into? If anything else needs upgrading, I'm all ears.

Also I have a CPU mounted radiator but I saw my CPU spike to almost 90C the other day while playing MGSV.
I went into my BIOS and turned off OC and since then it's been more stable. I live in Florida so it's hot and humid all of the time but I still don't know why it would spike like that.
One time it even black-screened my monitor and all the fans kicked into 100%.

>>62020967
you're going to need new ram too.

Windows 7 or 10? Is dx12 worth it? Any other reason to consider 10 besides driver support?

Also what's a good beginner's distro to dualboot with windows?

Ryzen 7 1700 + GTX 1080 VS Ryzen 5 1600 + GTX 1060

How much of an upgrade is it in practice and what impact will it have on 1440/60fps gaming. And how about Ryzen 5 1600 + GTX 1800? didn't mention it initially because it's only like 100 bucks more, the GPU is the bigger leap

>>62021034
So I'll need a motherboard that can handle DDR4 Ram?
16gb should be sufficient, right?

Is ASUS a good company to stick with for my next motherboard?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
the power supply will be some meme brand (PSU 500W Golden Field ATX-S500W) that isn't on the pcpartpicker site, so I picked something with the same price
this is my first build, I need to know what I fucked up

>>62021179
>implying I'm not retarded
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tn7Kr7

>>62021066
12 is not worth it, look at the performance difference and in most cases if you can already run the game it runs faster, if you're not hitting 60 then it wont get you there anyway
also its shit compared to vulkan. no reason to consider 10 except for native support for ssd, helps a bit with boot times, but 8.1 with start menu solves that problem too
beginners distro - xubuntu. you'll understand the desktop (xfce) pretty well as a windows user, and you can google for help just searching for ubuntu which has shedloads of help and documentation, since xubuntu is just xfce over ubuntu
>>62021097
if you're streaming the 1700 will kill the 1600, plain and simple. just gaming it will hardly make a difference, the 1600 may be a hair faster.
my advice, especially at 1440p, get the 1600, get faster ram (3200 cas 15/14, good samsung b die stuff), get a nice cooler, something like a h7, and get a really nice 1080, or if you can try to spring for a 1080 ti. The 1080 ti is a massive upgrade over the 1080, and realistically the go to card for 1440/144
>>62021179
the link
>>62021211
actually looks pretty ok. if you want though, consider using the am4 apu or the r3 1200 and a b350 motherboard. your initial performance will suffer slightly, but you'll have a guaranteed upgrade path until at least 2021, if not longer. The current intel motherboard offerings will not be compatible with 8th generation and forward, so you're limiting yourself to a 7700, non k at that since you cant overclock (which you can do on a b350, with any am4 cpu)

>>62021098
>Is ASUS a good company to stick with for my next motherboard?
Check reviews. Brands don't matter because all companies make a dud now and then, don't rely on branding.

>>62021097
If you plan on sticking to 1080p for the mid-future, 1080 is probably useless. If you go 1440, you'll notice.

How can I secure an additional two HDDs in a case when the existing bays are all occupied? Should I drill some holes in the bottom of the case?

>>62021211
>15$ power supply
??

>>62021066
Windows 7 + Vulkan, the PS3 emulator uses Vulkan
dualboot with a distro that doesn't have systemd

>>62021211
I assume you get all your storage from reused disks.

>>62021260
any 5.25 bays?
you could screw them in directly yes, or you could also look for a dual hdd mounting solution and bolt that in
or you could get a case with more hdd bays ya goof

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>>62020189
>Mastercase 5
Hate how it looks. I am a sucker for plain jane.

>>62021179
get a real power supply. something 80+ bronze at least.

What's the best and cheapest upgrade from a HD7850 2GB

>>62021297
yes, two hdds one from a few years ago, one from a decade ago
I know hdds fail with age and I have no important info on the old one

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Guys. This is the question of the moment.

Ryzen 1700X or 7700k?
I purely want it to play with a gtx 1080 on 1080p ultra.

>>62021379
coffin lake

>>62021211
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zPF7LD
something like this. you can even overclock the 1200 to damn near 4 on the stock cooler, amd actually included some pretty based stock cooling
only caveat being you'd want to invest in faster ram ASAP. you can get 8gb of 3200 for like 85 iirc though

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Hi guys, Im poor and I want to build a gamer pc
Im just geting started in this world and a friend of mine gave me this list of components to buy, I need your wisdom.
Is it ok? What can I change if there is something wrong in it?
>Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-B250ME-D3H
>Intel I5 7400
>Ram Corsair Vengance DDR4 (2x4) 8GB
>MSI NVIDIA GeForce 1050 Ti 4GB
>Power source: Corsair CX 650 M Semi Modular
>Hard Drive (HDD) Toshiba 1TB
>Cabinet Corsair Carbide Alpha

>>62021066
I've been on Windows 7 since 2009(?) when it came out. It's pretty much the modern day windows XP in a lot of aspects.

I installed Windows 10 on a separate partition just to give it a shot and I actually ended up putting it as the OS on my SSD.

It's had quite a while now since it's release to work out a lot of horrible kinks and I've found it got rid of a few GPU issues I had along with mouse problems. That could've just been some issue with my crummy old installation or drivers.

>Linux for retards distros
Ubuntu, Linux mint, Manjaro

I can get an EVGA 980Ti Classified for $300 locally or I can drive 45 minutes and get an EVGA 1070 (not sure which model exactly, not FTW or anything) for $350. Is it worth the drive and the extra $50 for nearly identical performance and only 2gb more vram? My PSU can handle either and it's going to be paired with a 1700, replacing my RX 580 4gb.

>>62021379
1700, non x
save some extra cash, and be happy
yes, the 7700k is better in a test bench scenario, but start running things like discord, chrome, skype, etc in the background and the performance goes away. beyond that, what does it matter if you're getting 170 instead of 180, its still well over 60, and at 1080p you're going to be more monitor bottlenecked than anything with a 1080, unless you're one of those 144hz fags

>>62021366
1050 Ti, though I can't tell you how much of an upgrade it'll be.

>>62021432
get the classified my man, thats an insane deal for that card
>>62021410
change cpu to a r3 1200, motherboard to a b350

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>>62021439
Why non x? The extra money doesn't makes up for the performance improvement?

I can't find monitors above 60hz, higher than 1080p for less than 300€

>>62021249
Thanks! I'll do that.

>manage to install win7 on a laptop that only has USB 3.0 ports
>after booting into it, none of the usb or network drivers work

How do I fix this?

>>62021473
>change cpu to a r3 1200, motherboard to a b350
Anon can you explain to me why?

>>62021491
the 1700 and 1700x hit the same clock 9/10 times my man, ryzen has a wall at 4.0, only like 1/10 chips hits 4.1+

>>62017575

never obsolete

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>just bought a prebuilt
Confirming myself being a fucking idiot. Trying to minmax a build has made me resigned on the whole subject.

>>62021531
>>62021473

B-b-buttt thats AMD and my friend said to me that I need all intel

>>62021531
>pay less
>receive equivalent performance

not him, but if you're not getting a 7600k, you might as well go ryzen to pay less and still be able to overclock.

>>62021532
In my country it costs less 60€. It's quite a significant difference.

Last question. A 1800 X or no X, is just nonsense right?

>>62021473
thanks bro. i'll go for the 980ti.

When will AMD RX GPU's become affordable again? I don't want to use nvidia

>>62021599
1700 is the highest Ryzen chip anyone should buy. 1700x and 1800x have no reason to exist.

>>62021589
>>62021584

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>>62017575
Would you be able to build a good gaming pc for 1200-1500 dollars? Honestly I'm thinking about just buying a $1200 prebuilt with a gtx 1070 & i7-7700 since it seems like it'd cost basically the same or more so far to build one similar/better.

>>62021705
all prebuilts exist just to rip you off.

>>62021705
and with that prebuilt you'll get shit ram, shit psu, shit motherboard and it will be harder to upgrade.

If you're really trying to pinch pennies is there any real reason to go 1700 over 1600?

If I've learned anything from having an FX-8350 is that more cores doesn't mean it's any faster (in terms of gaming).

I don't stream, encode, or run 50 apps aside from games and maybe my music player or discord.

The IPC is the same and 6 cores/12 threads already seems pretty absurd imo for the near future.

>>62021646
Yeah, I thought so, There's practically no clock improvement in the 1800 and it's almost 200€ more.

You've been amazing. Cheers my good friend.

whats the best way to overclock a 1060?

>>62021705
By that money, you can get a 1080

>>62021731
if you're just gaming, a 1600 is better.

>>62021731
get a 1200 lmao then, half the price of a 1600

>>62021722
>>62021718
Well fuck. I looked up the specifics from the company and it uses a motherboard that I can't find much about https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/omen-by-hp-870-200/13687063/document/c05380412/
So what does 1200-1500 get you right now with the mining shit going on? Everytime I try to build something similar it ends up the same price wise if not higher like I said.
>>62021752
For 1200-1500?

>>62021800
do you need a monitor? if not, $1500 easily gets you r5 1600 & gtx 1080ti build

>>62021800
Yes. A 1080 has turned quite cheap.
>550€ for 1080
>330€ for ryzen 1700
>total 880€
>got 600€ for the rest
Grab a ryzen

>>62021853
I mean I have an old shitty monitor already but my 1500 included the prebuilt for 1200 and a 300 or so monitor. I can probably buy a monitor later on unless a lesser one would really fuck the experience.

>>62019337
what's the fourth?

>>62021887
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZztGf
literally just grabbed from pcpartpicker main page and added a hdd. get a 250gb ssd if you want to cut the cost.

>>62021410
Help me with this guys please
Is it ok?

>>62022004
someone already told you. change to amd. i5 cpus are obsolete. make a pcpartpicker list

>>62022004
i'll help if you post the source of the image

I am building a new PC. primarily for gaming.
My Gpu is going to be a Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB Windforce OC which I will probably upgrade when prices are more reasonable.

Should I choose a Ryzen 5 1600 or is there a comparable choice for an Intel CPU? A Ryzen would be 200€ and I would be fine with spending up to 50€ more.

>>62021949
Quick question (I am a retard and know fuck all about computers) How difficult would it be to upgrade in the future regarding the cpu? I assume if I did go for a TI I'd need to eventually get a better cpu right? To get the most out of it anyways.

>>62021949
And with that build you can get 1080p 144hz monitor which is a massive upgrade over 60hz and be bit over 1500 mark.

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>>62022060
>implying it's difficult to source it
And there's no helping an Intel shill who outright denies Ryzen

I was looking at some benchmarks to decide what GPU I should buy
After seeing the rx 550 and 1030 I have to ask: What's the point of them?
It doesn't seem they can play most modern games at a decent framerate and are priced pretty high for what you get
For comparison a 560 is only about £10 more while being a lot better.

>>62022072
replacing the cpu takes like 2 minutes at most. even a retard can do that.

>>62022070
Ryzen 5 1600 is fine. why would you want to spend 50€ more for a "comparable" intel cpu?

>>62022100
with viewsonic xg2401 it's $1504

>>62022144
some people don't play games

>>62022144
for retards who don't know what they're buying

t. owner of an 8400 GS, GT 520, GT 630, and now a GTX 1050

How does this build look like for recording guitar keyboard and vocals and producing music?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r6qGCy
Im a complete noob so advice and suggestions welcome.

>>62022154
Oh neat thanks then anon I guess I'll build a computer instead of wasting money for a 1070 prebuilt. In your opinion would it be worth going for a ti instead? I'd think a 1080 is more than enough for most games right?

>if intel, always buy the K series no exception
>if amd, never buy the X series
What is the logic behind this?

>>62022163
get faster ram.
any reason why you picked 1600x instead of the normal version? the stock cooler would perform better than the one you picked.

>>62022199
if you're getting a 1440p 140Hz monitor, a Ti can be nice. If you're staying at 1080p or 1440p 60Hz, a 1080 will be absolutely fine. And for a 1080p 60Hz, a 1070 is enough.

>>62022154
I'm sorry I phrased that wrong. I meant to ask if there is better Intel CPU i could get over the Ryzen which is worth speding up to 50€ extra for.

>>62022211
With AMD, non-X can overclock to X and/or higher modeled equivalents (but technically worse binning).

Why buy a 1600X when you can get the same performance from a 1600?

>>62022199
not worth going for 1080ti unless you're also buying 1440p144hz or 4k monitor. either way you would go way beyond your budget.

>>62022211
because amd doesn't stop you from overclocking their processors.
you should buy an x if you don't want to overclock, just like you shouldn't buy a k if you don't want to oc.

>>62022250
>>62022236
Cool thanks again anons. I'll just use the 1080 and if I ever feel like upgrading just get a ti later then. I'm assuming it'd be equally as easy to upgrade the gpu as it is the cpu.

>>62022211
>if intel, you can only overclock the K series
>if amd, you can overclock every ryzen cpu, no exception
really makes you think

>>62022211
AMD doesn't arbitrarily lock your CPU to prevent overclocking.

>>62022262
it would be even easier. for the cpu you have to fuck around with coolers, for the gpu it's literally just plugging it in.

>>62022262
it's even easier. with 1080 you shouldn't need to upgrade for at least 3-4 years

>>62022237
there is none. 7700k would get you ~10-15 more fps (only in 1080p ), but that's $150+ more expensive

>>62022262
>>62022250
>>62022236
Sorry one final question. That build list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZztGf doesn't require anything else right? (Outside of a monitor.) No cpu cooler or anything else?

Is the i5 4570 considered obsolete?

>>62022304
no. obviously you need a keyboard & mouse.
for a 1080p144hz monitor get https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rY98TW/viewsonic-monitor-xg2401 . it's one of the best.

>>62022293
To be fair you still need a B350 or X370.

I can imagine someone wanting to overclock, but getting the wrong board. But yes, at least AMD isn't hindering it at the CPU level.

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>Hey guys look at my budget pc build centered around gaming, especially so I can play ""Recent AAA game"" at 30 fps!
>I should be able to afford $500 PC and play new releases on it right?
And then you recommend something that can actually play ""Recent AAA game"" at 30+ fps
>Anon, thats too expensive.
???

>>62022298
Thank you for your advice.

>>62022338
overclocking on A320 would probably fry your mobo since they don't have good enough VRMs to allow it.
if this was intel, oc would be possible only on x370.

>>62022304
the R5 1600 comes with a decent CPU cooler, which even allows some headroom for overclocking.

>>62022331
Thanks I was looking at the monitors on there. I've got a mouse & keyboard I think are good? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GdBVY
>>62022372
I take it I'll want to overclock at some point? I've also heard of overclocking gpus? Or something similar? I'll probably watch a shit load of tutorials prior to even thinking about trying either though.

24 or 27 inches for a 1440p monitor?
Also, same question but for 4k?

>>62022315
If it's not slow for what you use your pc for, no. For gayming, it should last a year or two.

Decent backup external drives?
Looking at wd elements or Seagate backup plus/slim.
Anyone have experience with any of these? Looking for at least 2tb.

>>62022395
that mouse and keyboard are hot garbage. is this your first ever gaming pc?
overclocking ryzen is really easy, do watch some tutorials if you want but there's really not much to mess up if you're going for a conservative OC.

>>62022225
Besides aesthetic reasons theres no reason i got the 1600x with that fan. So im guessing no need for the x?

>>62022338
If you're getting A320 you most likely are doing a media machine to stream in home or a facebook machine and neither need overclocking.

>>62022433
>is this your first ever gaming pc
Yes. Basically my first ever pc in general not counting my prebuilt """"gaming"""" laptop.
Honestly I just picked the first two cheap mechanical keyboard & "gaming" mouse off a linus video without giving it much thought. I'll look for other ones though if they're bad. It's good to hear a lot of this stuff isn't as difficult or dangerous as I've been believing though.

>>62022395
personally i would avoid peripherals that have the 'gaming looks' and go for something more classic from reliable brands like logitech.
imo the best idea to pick peripherals is to go to your local shop an just get something that you feel comfortable using.

>>62022401
24 for 1080p
27 for 1440p
32+ for 4k

>>62022507
I mean I recently purchased a Microsoft keyboard & mouse for this laptop but I imagine it's not practical for gaming or whatever mechanical ones do differently.

>>62022491
yeah. you can always easily overclock normal 1600 to 1600x levels with the stock cooler.

>>62022528
the cheapest 'gaming' peripherals usually has worse build quality and sensor than basic office stuff and act just as a bait for kids that like RGBs.
you absolutely do not need a mechanical keyboard for gaming and decent ones cost $50+ anyway.
i'd recommend just using the keyboard & mouse you bought and getting something else later if it's not comfortable to use.

>>62022507
>>62022528
Trying out mouse is pretty important especially if going for the more expensive ones like G502 (when I bought it it was ~80e). How comfortable it feels depends on your grip (palm, claw, fingertip), size of your hand and mouse weight.

>>62022225
Hows this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6bdBVY

1060 3GB = €210
6GB = €300-400
RX580 4GB = €300
8GB = €400

What should I get? The prices aren't going down since forever, only up and up and up

>>62022574
>mouse weight.
this is why i usually don't recommend g502 to people. it's fine for most cases but can be a pain in the ass for people that play shooters at lower sens. currently G203 is the best budget mouse.

>>62022529
But can you not overclock the 1600x potentially higher?. Alsi i jeed the pc.to be fairly quiet.

>>62022569
>you absolutely do not need a mechanical keyboard for gaming
not really.

>just using the keyboard & mouse you bought
seconding this.

>>62022618
To me the mouse isn't heavy but a friend of mine returned his because he felt it was. Also it's quite big so someone with smaller hands are going to find it uncomfortable. That's why trying out different ones is important to find the most suitable for you.

>>62022597
>6GB = €300-400
What?

>>62022634
>But can you not overclock the 1600x potentially higher
not really. it has better boost if you don't oc though.

>>62022574
>>62022569
So mouse & keyboard I should buy from an actual store to see what they're like. I suppose that makes sense. What do you guys do for Os though? I just realized that I'll also need to get an os. So you just buy a windows 7 or 10 or whatever disk I assume? That's an extra 100 I assume

Hey guys, I'm building right now my first pc (also thanks to you advices) and had no problems until NOW.

I'm trying to install the motherboard in the case, and even though they're compatible I just can't get the standoffs and the motherboards holes to align. What happens is that, once the motherboard is aligned with the IO shield, the standoffs are all 1/2cm "off". I have been struggling with this for the last hour and getting desperate!!

The case is a Corsair Spec-03 and the motherboard a b350 Tomahawk, but I don't think it depends on these pieces, I'm more asking for general advice. Maybe someone had the same problem in the past and can help me.

>>62017913
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/
It's straight mirror of the MS digital river images.

>>62022671
download the windows 10 installer, and either:
>don't activate
it doesn't stop you from using windows, but there's a small watermark
>buy a cheap key online
a 10 key can be had for under $40 usually, or you should be able to activate 10 with a 7 or 8 key
>unlock it with microsoft toolkit or similar
piracy, but it's free

>>62022671
Pirate it or get the 1 month free version from Microsoft itself. After the trial ends they wont prevent you from using it, just restricting some features. They even provide a tool to make everything ready for you on usb drive. After that you can crack it or buy a cheap key from ebay, kinguin or whatever else key sites there are.

Is there any webpage where I can put the components of the pc I want to build and the web can tell me if the compinents are compatible?

>>62022731
No, and you're stupid for think so

>>62022702
make sure the IO shield is pushed in all the way and try again, also don't be afraid to push the motherboard into alignment against the IO shield.

>>62022663
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB versions

>>62022634
yes, but the difference is 0.1-0.2Ghz at best. it's just not worth it. also even if you managed to hit 4.0GHz the cooler you picked just wouldn't be good enough.

>>62022596
are you absolutely sure you need x370? because if you're only picking it for white aesthetic there's asrock b350 pro4. taichi is also a great choice btw

>>62022597
1060 3gb is the only one which is not overpriced. consider 1050ti.

>>62022671
you can get windows 10 key for cheap on ebay/kinguin/any cd-key selling site. you can just download .iso from microsoft and never activate it since all it does is putting a watermark on your desktop. or just use an activator.

>>62022731
read the op

So you are intel fanboys vs amd fanboys in this thread ?
Fuck I wanted your help not a ficht between fanboys

>>62018822
I don't see what's wrong with that. Socket 775 lasted like 7 years with slight modifications. The only ones that get shafted from this are motherboard manufacturers, and they don't even get that much because they can just keep making and selling the same board, maybe do some refreshes. I mean the kind of autist that buys a new CPU every refresh probably will buy a new mobo with "enhanced support for processor X" or whatever and latest bios, and people who just buy a new system will buy it anyway, refined platform etc.

what are the 5.25 bays for?

>>62022748
I am sure the IO shield is perfectly in (initially had issues with that), and pushing with no fear whatsoever but the misalignment is not in the direction of the IO shield, the motherboard when perfectly pushed is aligned with every standoff but every hole is 1/2cm too low. I can obviously align a single hole with its standoff but then the other ones get even farther.

>>62022728
Here's the tool itself.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

>>62022802
he never said it's wrong. it's actually an extremaly good thing that amd doesn't force you to buy a new motherboard every 2 generations. 200 series mobos from intel are like 6 months old and already on their way to be obsolete.

So i got 3200mhz ram but in the bios it says it's only running at 2133mhz. The ram is in the qvl and I flashed the most recent bios, how do I get it to run at 3200mhz?

>>62022843
try to enable XMP profile

>>62022711
>>62022728
>>62022766
Oh cool I was worried about the os most due to them being overpriced from a lazy search. I'll just never activate if it doesn't stop me from doing my game shit. Thanks again guys

>>62022843
You DO have an unlocked motherboard, right?

>>62022806
optical drive
or i suppose some sort of fan controller, or card reader, or anything else you'd want really

So are there windows 7 drivers for R5 1600x, gtx1070, MSI B350 PC mate???

>>62022873
You'll just have a watermark on the bottom and can't access personalization options like wallpaper and themes.

>>62022795
Right now AMD has the best price:performance:voltage ratio intel has the best single threaded performance. So if you are looking only for the highest possible fps in gaming and bothin else get a 7700k. Right now that is the only cpu that is relevant for Intel. If you are planning on mixed usage with medium to heavy gaming get an r7 1700 or an r5 1600. They are better in almost every way except for single threaded performance. I5s are dead don't get one and i3s are handily beat by the r3 series for the sole reason on the 4c/4t the r3 has. In summary read the op.

>>62022664
>>62022766
Thanks for responding. Well thats the thing im not to sure what i need. I have looked at some 350 boards but wpuld an x370 save me some years before i need to upgrade? I know very little of modern computers and music production/recording. Ive been playing music the old school way for 10 years.

>>62022991
Yes, retard, there are drivers and ways to install them. AMD also has chipset drivers marked for 7/10.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nqztGf

r8 and h8

also not sure what cooler to get thats compatible with am4 out of the box

>>62023825
Get faster ram 3000/320]
Don't get a corsair psu (get evga or seasonic)
Ryzen stock cooler is fine

>>62023825
buy an evga g2 or g3 psu, not corsair. Just go with a stock cooler, it's all right up to a decent overclock.

>>62023825
Buy A 7700k so you'll get the most out of your 1080. You will also need to get a good stock cooler with it.

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>Prepping to rebuild from X51
>Decide to cannibalize old dead PC for fans and whatnot
>Still wondering what to do about the GTX 745 situation
>I had this sitting in a corner for 3 years
Fuck my ass.

If I have RAM rated for 3200, is it safe to say it'll be reliable at 3200 or should I OC to 2666 for stability?

Where can I see the typical longevity of a ssd's lifespan?
I know sites that are dedicated to testing this I just cant find them.

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>>62024066

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>tfw you finish your first build and nothing goes wrong

>>62024374
just wait autist boy

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Just arrived. Feels good man

>>62024223
Just google. What brand are you looking at?

What components do I need drivers for?

Motherboard and GPU obviously, but do I need CPU or RAM drivers? Only my gpu and mobo came with discs but I don't have disc reader so I was just going to check the respective websites

I'm having a hard time choosing as workstation gpu. I'm on a 250-450$ Canadian budget for one. Will work with ecabinet and sketchup.

Should I buy quadro, firepro or just a high memory gaming card for same price?

>>62024491
LAN drivers
USB drivers
Mouse and keyboard drivers if you need them

How likely am I to fuck up my GPU if I try to repaste it?
It's a 2 year old MSI TwinFrozr R9 390. It's getting hot here at this time of the year, and I want to repaste it. Will I absolutely need thermal pads, or will the old ones do if they're not broken/ripped?
Do I use normal thermal paste?

I've seen videos on it and all that, but still unsure. I just want to get this beast a little bit cooler so it'll last me a few more years.

New thread
>>62024668
>>62024668
>>62024668

Do I want more fans pulling air in, or more fans pulling air out?

>>62024462
>$199 7700K
Some big rebate or something?

>>62024690
pulling air in

>>62024462
>Ahah you bought Int...
>199

For that price I can't mock you.

>>62024462
damn the fucking deal my man

>>62024690
Ideally you want them to be equal, cycling out the same amount air they're pulling in.

>>62024462

How the fuck?

If I have a Ryzen 5 1600, which GPU will give me more frames at 1080p on High or Ultra settings between the 1060 6GB and the 1070 considering that I heard the 1070 could bottleneck some games at 1080p if combo'd with a r5 1600?

>>62020771
Thermaltake. Let no one tell you otherwise

>>62025810
the 1070 is faster, it will be faster
you're misunderstanding the bottleneck. imagine the gpu is a pipe with water and it flows into the cpu. the 1060 moves less water than the 1070, so it is less restricted than the 1070, however, through brute force and size the 1070 will still move more water, albeit it will be more limited
or, alternatively, the 1070 will be used say 90% of its max, the 1060 will be pegged at 100%, the 1070 will still win

>>62024475
Just about any besides seagate, I saw tech report but they haven't updated their storage page since mid 2015.
I saw samsung and sandisk as good choices.