Should I try to buy the Vega56 for 399$/€?

>>62018579
You mean 499*

>>62018579
Good lucky buying it for any price before it gets sold out instantly.

>>62018579
>399$/€
It's 499 goy

>>62018579
>buying a reference jet engine

>>62018702
499 shekels**

I know it will be difficult to get one for 399.

>>62018579
Just get a 1070 if you need a card right now.
>inb4 b-but muh AMD

>>62018579
it won't be as loud as 64, PCB is good
but i'd hold off
56 is actually good card, even now with shit drivers
if you can get one for exactly 400 then yes

I thought about it, but 1070 cost like 440€ and it is one year old.

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>>62018579
Vega 56 is already faster than the 1070 on the half finished alpha drivers it was reviews with. If you can get Vega 56 for equal or less money than a 1070 on launch, it's a no brainier.

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>>62018828
The 1070 can be had for $400.
A few 1080s are $500 on newegg
Veg's 64 is $500

1070 and 1080 have better price to performance
Better power usage
runs cooler
Has mature drivers

Thanks. I also think so. The only thing I am worried abou is, if the 56 is unfinished. Should I wait for the next version of the 56?

>>62019023
Vega 56 is $500*

Vega 56 will be 399€ for a few minutes.

>>62019045
show me 1(ONE) retailer that's selling a 1080 for 500$

>>62019045
Bullshit. Gibbo is a known liar who claimed Vega 64 had a hashrate of 70-100MH/s and no one else will go on the record and confirm that AMD has or is planning to increase the MSRP of the stand alone card SKUs.

Even if you believed Gibbo's lies, the fact that AMD have etailers rebates to bribe them into selling the stand alone cards for MSRP on launch day for Vega 64 says they are likely to do the same thing for Vega 56's launch.

>>62018579
>€
you are a patrician

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>>62019105
It's literally the pic I posted
Here's another.

>>62019130
It's been confirmed, AMD was offering $100 rebates to retailers for the launch.
This is a proven fact
There is no refuting it.

>>62019213
>It's been confirmed
where?

>>62019213
Prove it, you knowing and deliberate liar.

No one can find anyone else to confirm Gibbo's lies on the record. The bundles still have an MSRP of $599, so how could AMD raise the stand alone card MSRP to the same $599?

>>62018579
Maybe

>>62019328
>>62019331
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3023-aib-partners-to-gn-yes-vega-price-will-change
https://pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-rx-vega-rebates?amp
https://www.eteknix.com/rx-vega-price-to-increase-significantly/
https://www.techpowerup.com/236323/amd-issues-official-statement-on-rx-vega-64-pricing-woes?amp
>AMD doesn't do shady shit like Nvidia

>>62019917
All of those links are all just citing Gibbo's lies. No one can get ANYONE to independently confirm Gibbo's claims on the record, and Gibbo is the same known liar who claimed Vega had a 70-100MH/s hashrate.

Again, how could AMD raise the Vega 64 stand alone SKU to an MSRP of $599 when they still have an MSRP of $599 for the bundle?

>>62019211
>>62019213

509=/=500

Yes because even novidya knows how good it is. In fact companies have lowered 1070 and 1080/1080ti prices across the board because of vega.

Be wary of the novidya shills posting day 1 benchmarks.

>>62018579
Well, you could try, but I have to warn you that I already bought 900 of them for my mining operation, so...

>>62018579
Get a 1070 or a 1080.
Like everyone else itt said, 56 is 500 and 64 is 600 now because miners.

What the fuck. The Vega 56 hasn't even launched yet. It releases the 28th

>>62020006
Help! This man is trying to steal my $9

>>62018828
>shilling the same shit in multiple threads
>pls buy vega
kys

>>62018579
You're only going to have about 10 minutes to buy the cards upon release next monday.

Just wake up at 6AM PST and be fast on the buy button.

>>62018717
You're supposed to water cool it later, the PCB is top tier on the reference cards.

>>62019045
>>62019130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sPOEjQWJlE&t=0s

>>62018828
>on the half finished alpha drivers
You act like that's a selling point

>>62021897
Everyone is making claims based on Gibbo's lies. No one else will go on the record confirming what Gibbo said, and Gibbo is a known liar who claimed Vega had a 70-100MH/s hashrate.

>>62022028
It's not a selling point per se, but it is fair to note that Vega 56 is faster than a 1070 and its still doesn't have core uarch features enabled in drivers yet. That pretty much makes Vega 56 a can't lose proposition against a 1070 if you can get it for the same price or less than a 1070 when it launches.

>>62022111
>if you can get it for the same price or less than a 1070 when it launches.

which will never happen. the 64 is allegedly the same price as the 1080 msrp yet in my country and neighboring country is miles more expensive than even good aftermarket OC 1080s and it's slower. the 56 is probably gonna be another r9 fury where it was supposed to compete with cards like OC 980s but ended up being like $100+ more expensive and basically a worthless purchase until it had that $250 price drop

>>62022325
NOOOO pls buy vega
my stock in amd is going to suffer otherwise
I've already lost 20 hours today shilling here

>>62020006
you forgot the tax there.
612*

>>62022325
rx vega 56 has the same performance on the same clocks like the vega 64. drivers are clearly not ready. hope they fix some features on 28th august

>>62020004
This, Gibbo is a proven Nvidia shill. Just like mr 2 cents.

>>62023133
The dude literally JUST got caught lying his ass off about Vega's ETH hashrate. The only reason anyone is believing him now is because they have ulterior motives. No one could get anyone else to confirm Gibbo's claims on the record, and yet they ran with the story anyway.

>>62022325
>which will never happen
Obviously if you are in a country where there is no chance of getting Vega 56 for anything close to MSRP then you have to take that into account.

>>62023460
>in a country
All of them?

>>62023482
>All of them?
There incontrovertibly were some number of Vega 64 stand alone cards available for $499 USD on launch day. There is no reason to believe there wont be some number of Vega 56 stand alone cards available for their MSRP of $399 when it launches.

Even if you choose to believe that known liar Gibbo, his own claims are that AMD gave etailers rebates to incentivize them to sell stand alone cars at MSRP. No one has presented any evidence whatsoever that AMD will not--at the bare minimum--do the same for the Vega 56 launch to ensure some cards are sold at MSRP.

>>62023532
>There incontrovertibly were some number of Vega 64 stand alone cards available for $499 USD on launch day.
Like 3? They only shipped like a hundred cards

>>62023548
>They only shipped like a hundred cards
Source: My ass

>>62023592
It was a joke, numbnuts

>>62018579
no

>>62018579
Sure, if you can get it for that price

>>62018579
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.

>>62018579
Your best bet is to try to get it through Newegg at the precise time. Be sure to checkout quick because they can take the card out of your cart at anytime.
Amazon sold out on Vega 64 before they could even list the item.

>>62018579
You could buy 4 1050ti for that price and sli them for 10000x the performance of vega

>>62018579
if it oc's and undervolts as well as ive seen so far than you wont be able to get one for a reasonable price

>>62026087
Of course not, wait for Vega Nano if you want a tiny card

If you can find one for 400€, yes

>>62018828
Do you actually think its half finished drivers? Vega 56 is LITERALLY fury and 64 is fury x but smaller lithography so it runs at faster speeds.(50% faster and gives 50% more performance big surprise)

>>62018725
500 shekels is nothing , I'll buy it for 500.

>>62027709
For the same price, get a 1080, it's more powerful and draw less power

>>62018579
if you find any at that price buy it no questions asked
apparently a new driver is coming in 10-15 days perhaps they will have primitives enabled cause right now if you play with msaa the card chockes to death if you choose anything else cmaa/fxaa bla bla the card shits on even 1080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfRi5pBQr4

>>62022028
this is amd we know they mature the drivers over time this is what they do
290x/390x is already a good 40% faster than a 780ti
7850 despite having static cores is still a good card for medium/high setting without much AA
gcn is a uarch that pays off over time but this probably gonna end when navi comes sadly..i dont think amd will be able to sustain 2 drivers team

>>62028094
navi will be vega refresh more dies edition, they won't change cores too much, way over budget and no time
HBM and vega is the prep work
the only way to make MCM function is through hardware, no amount of drivers will make all applications run consistently on multiple chips
so drivers for gcn will keep on giving, that's why I do not want to buy 1080 personally, you never know when nvidia going to pull another maxwell and kill all support like they did with 7xx

it's same argument as ryzen vs i7
yes it is 10%-13%(let's be generous here) slower than i7 but the socket is for four years making real upgrades possible on the cheap
intel changes socket every year

>>62028295
vega refresh is vega refresh
navi will be an mcm with IF
vega will be the last card with gcn as we know it
also yeah we know that the cores will change quite a lot each SIMD will have its own IF tied to the memory speed
i think that is enough to make you realise what is going to happen

>>62028364
>what is going to happen
just like how vega was going to btfo pascal?

>>62028364
>we know that the cores will change quite a lot each SIMD will have its own IF
IF doesn't interfere it transports, I don't think they have time or money to redesign whole new architecture just after vega that took 5 years
pipeline on software side will stay the same as vega my bet, what will change is how it managed on hardware

>>62028377
it did with pro drivers and 1/3 price

>>62028410
the perfomance is there in about 15 days we will see a new driver hopefully the primitives will be enabled and we can get a clear picture if the card can or cant btfo pascal

look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfRi5pBQr4&t=8s
when msaa gets enabled on x8 the card literally suffocates but on everything else it shits on both cards

Whoa, they fixed voltage regulations in the recent drivers.

>>62028503
I guess it saved 40-60w on moderate loads?

>>62028410
vega didnt took 5 years vega is just a fiji with wider and shorter pipelines hbcc and hardware culling that actually works...(well it will be hopefully..)
no one said IF interferes it will get the SIMD data into the HWS faster than it is now

>>62028410
>it did with pro drivers and 1/3 price
>muh meme pro gpu
firepros are shit deal with it

>>62028519
Dunno.
It'll get even funnier when pajeets finally enable primshader.

>>62028527
Call me when Quadros will be able to handle large datasets.

>>62018579
Wait for NAVI

>>62028540
>niche of niche use case
nice

If you are european the best you can get with that budget is a 1060, the cheaper 1070 goes for 430eur on mindfactory.de

>>62028519
the card came overvolted without any power profile literally as primitive as a card can get
this at least fix the damn thing and we are able to undervolt it into a reasonable number that is more like gcn it will probably give back 150-200mv at least that is what i think given how mine 64 is eating power

vega 56 when?

Surely its going to launch with aftermarket versions

if we have to wait another fucking month ill just keep my 390x till amd fix the pricing and supply

>>62028603
>if we have to wait another fucking month ill just keep my 390x till amd fix the pricing and supply

you expect amd to fix the retail pricing? are you mad? the only way for this to happen is with a shit load of supply and that wont happen for at least 1-2 months given the crypto fags

>>62028618
Nowadays you have cryptofaggots and scalpers. The scalpers are actively buying cards at low prices then reselling them in the hopes that people will pay higher prices due to the stock shortage that the scalpers (and miners) themselves caused. And since miners have higher budgets, this causes price inflation and stock depletion.

This shit is fucked.

>>62028618
FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

oh well at least i know my cpu is the main bottleneck so ill upgrade that first

>>62028603
asus is early september, they didn't do anything though, just slapped 2.5 slot cooler on it and removed power limiters

Vega 56 is literally a 980Ti. Same performance, similar power draw. I can't think of a good reason to buy Vega and I really wanted an all red build this year.

>>62028575
>Quadros are not niche
?

>>62018579
buy a rx580 + 1080p ips freesync monitor.

>>62028800
im just reusing my 390x

turned out it wasnt the bottleneck my oldass i5 is

>>62020004
>Ggggggggibbbo is a liar.

AMD finally showing their true business colours, like nvidia theyre just out to shaft you. Fucking hilarious after spergy cunts like you have been saying how they look after their customers!

>>62029221
Give amd marketshare and money and they won't be different than intel and nvidia.
>for profit corporation
>caring about customers
lel

>>62028059
>10-15 days
Source? I know they have primitive shaders working in internal testing drivers, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they could be ready THAT fast.

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>>62023432
State of gayman journalist

>>62027695
>Do you actually think its half finished drivers?
Yes. Have you read the Vega whitepaper?

Historically, Fiji was never as fast as it theoretically should have been because it was heavily front end geometry bottlenecked by only being able to handle 4 triangles per clock. Primitive shaders is designed specifically to address this issue in Vega, as its purpose is to increase Vega's effective triangle throughput to up to 17 triangles per clock. Once this bottleneck is removed, Vega can take full advantage of the primitive discard accelerator carried over from Polaris and the introduction of DSBR (bascially a form of tile based rasterization).

The problem is that they shipped RX Vega with primitive shaders not enabled yet in drivers, and so the front end is still bottlenecked meaning you can't even really see the benefits of PDA and DSBR yet because they come later in the rendering pipeline than the bottleneck. Once prim shaders hit the public drivers we'll finally start to get a sense of what Vega is actually capable of in games.

>>62028377
>just like how vega was going to btfo pascal?
Well, it might, once the drivers are at least core uarch feature complete. Fucking RTG launched that card on literal half finished alpha drivers ffs.

>>62028503
Fucking LMAO. I've already seen reports of people getting 1630mhz with no throttling at 1.060mhz with no increase in power target. That's a fucking MASSIVE difference in power consumption for 1630mhz stable core clock.

Whelp, all those launch powertests are pretty much worthless now.

>>62030503
i cant and i wont give sources im the fag that posted resutls of my 2 vega 64 days now
i expected the driver to come in 2 weeks along with the power profiles
but it came today but only with the power profiles and we learned something else the card had no power regulation it was overvolted to max it was using the maximum raw power it could get
people already testing it say they undervolted the card to a reasonable 1.03 and the total system draw from 450 went to 320-350 depending on the clocks made this thread with a 3dmark result on the new drivers and undervolted >>62030462

now as it why they choose to release it like that who knows its amd afterall we dont expect anything logical

>>62028527
Source: My ass

>>62029221
Nice entirely evidence free shitpost. I hope you are enjoying the 70-100MH/s rate Gibbo promised you :^)

>>62030644
samefag
i assume the primitives given how complex they are and given how amd somehow found a way to cull back face triangles it will a pain in the ass to make it work as intented in all games

this is the most logical reason i can find as to why they wont release it in the time they told me

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>>62030717
samefag no2
also apparently we will have some info on navi today

>>62030792
oh my. 2017 is certainly best hardware year in a decade.

>>62031461
Ye.
Now I want some interesting EMIB designs from Intel.

>>62030644
Understood, I'm just wary because the drivers were so raw on launch that it's kind of hard for me to believe they could get prim shaders working well enough to push to the public drivers that soon.

Plus, I need to clear my schedule for when it does hit the public driver because I will have a hell of a lot of shitposting to do that day.

>>62031585
Shitposting?
About what?

>>62031691
Repaying the 100+ shitposts a day about Vega here for the last 6 months in kind.

>>62031762
Well this is going to be rather silly.

>>62031762
Lambert, you are a ge-nious!
seriously though, if it jumps 30% performance nobody would be able to buy it, that's my real worry

>>62031858
56 undervolted already smokes 1080 at ~1070 power consumption.
No, no one would be able to buy it anyway.
Don't even hope, it's another 5870 shortage.

>>62031847
Relax, I'm kidding. Mostly. Not that the urge to post a compilation of retested benches on HardOCP captioned "APPOLOGIZE" won't be there.

>>62031858
No skin off my back, I'm not in the market for a GPU at the moment anyway, I've just been following this saga for months trying to figure out WTF was gong on with this card.

>>62031895
>56 undervolted already smokes 1080 at ~1070 power consumption.
are amdrones really this retarded and delusional?

>>62028800
Except the 1070 outperforms the 980ti noe and the vega 56 outperforms the 1070 even with throttling

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>>62031936
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/44084-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html

The newest driver fixed undervolting performance. Vega 56 undervolted is now faster than a launch Vega 64 Air on stock settings.

>>62032026
Still has 20% to go to match the 1080ti. It has the tflops for it

>>62032026
>this is all still without the primshader
Ohohoh.
Hahahaha.
The day pajeets finally launch the driver will be the most hilarious GPU-related thing since 3.5 meme.

>>62032076
It has the compute power, but not the triangle throughtput.
For now, at least.
Give it a month, or two at most.

>>62032089
I may literally book the day off to start repaying 6+ months of 100+ Vega shitposts a day.

Apparently some Vega owners are getting their cards to hold 1.075v or less with +15% or less power targets wtih no clock throttling. That's an enormous difference from launch.

>>62032089
it's ryzen all over again.

day 1 ryzen: what a shit gaming chip
day 60 ryzen: best value for money you can ever get

>>62032026
wew

56 here i come

>>62032134
>I may literally book the day off
You're already at work, shill.

>>62032136
this

the 1600x is a amazing cpu for the money its why i bought one

>>62032151
>he thinks he'll ever get one
Hahahaha.
Not a chance.

>>62032181
shut up i can dream damnit!

the mining meme has even spread to here in aus where lots of cunts have solar power because of the 0.32kwh prices

>>62032204
I know you got sun round year, but how do they keep farms fed with solar? you need what? at least 5kW to run medium sized one?

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>>62032162
I'm not here to shill, I'm here for your tears :^)

>>62032181
What time do they go in sale anyway

>>62032321
28th of August I assume.

Looks like NVIDIA moved even regular, non-meme FP16 calculations onto the meme cores.
Consumer Volta will lack packed math.

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>>62032321
>>62032333

Considering Vega 64 is still sold out pretty much everywhere or only available in limited supplies for a mere 700+ bucks, I wouldn't be too optimistic about getting a Vega 56 this month or even the next for that matter.

Depressing because I do need a graphic card since my GTX770 died two weeks ago and am not sure I can wait much longer...

>>62031585
just look at today's drivers

the card literally undervolts to 1070 power draw levels and gives 1080 perfomance level
and that came only from enabling the power profiles....the card has yet to see primitives and decent hbcc usage

its a no brainer to buy one now

>>62033308
>buy one now
And now comes the sad part:
YOU
FUCKING
CANT

>>62032222
Why is the RX64 still so slow though? Is it still fronted bottlenecked and can't take advantage of its 8 additional CUs compared to the RX56?

Where will it end when primitive shaders get enabled? Will the RX56 match the 1080TI and the RX64 be 10% faster?

>>62033341
56 will still be slower than 1080ti unless you OC the stacks.
64 will hang around 1080ti-TXp perf depending on the title.

>>62033330
you know when it comes to buy gpu i have no shame what so ever
in my past time as an ati employee i got to know a lot of people that are working in the supply line of some retailers
fact is go out find out who what company ships them and strike a deal they might even sell them for less than the msrp (i got my dual 64 like that)

dont wait for amazon ebay shit shit shit go out spread your information tentacles this is how its done instead of cutting out the middleman strike a deal with the middleman..

>>62033396
hook a brother up

>>62033438
if you live in greece i can otherwise you gonna find out the company that brings them by ships and talk to them

>>62033461
ah im in germany , i mean you owe us anyways so might aswell give me all your vega cards
and i dunno if its that simple to just call a supplier and ask for a card or two , worth a shot tho
also pls tell ATI work stories

>>62029221
>Order in shitloads of RX VEGA's
>Make up rumor that RX VEGA is a fantastic mining GPU
>???
>PROFIT!

nobody wants this trash. they had a good chance to secure the high end but they fucked up as usual. i remember the 290x getting a lot of flack back when it released because of its power consumption but at least it was fucking competitive out of the box and didn't have to rely on ">m-muh driver features". the 290x was the last good high end amd gpu and it's still evident today. the fury series and now the vega series is utter fucking garbage and i hope rtg die a painful death as a result. also finewine is a fucking meme. the fury x is still slower than the 980 ti to this day despite people going on about muh finewine.

i've already sold my 390 and bought a gtx 1070.

>>62033527
it was boring to be honest nothing really happened worth sharing i left 1 month after amd bought ati cause amd being amd without money wanted to halve our payment almost 30% i gently flipped them off

always go for the supplier ALWAYS

>>62033571
Hi leddit.

>>62033571
how does it feel that with a single driver update your 1070 feels like a dino?

>>62031461
and worse pricing for GPU/memory too!

>>62033341
>Is it still fronted bottlenecked and can't take advantage of its 8 additional CUs compared to the RX56?
Yes.

>Where will it end when primitive shaders get enabled?
In theory, Vega 64 should give GP102 type performance, Vega 56 should be full GP104 type performance.

>>62033600
dino? dinosaur? yeah it is a monster of a gpu. and i only had to pay £80 net after the sale of my 390 to a retarded minerfag in my class

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>>62033571
>bought a gtx 1070
You have chosen....poorly :^)

>>62018579
Will AIB cards be ready at launch?

>>62033639
No, Vega56 would be very close to cutdown GP102 and dead even with higher HBM clocks.

>>62033664
I'm being reasonably conservative in my estimates, I think. I'd rather undershoot than overshoot on my estimates.

>>62033642
how does it feel that 56 can undervolt and use the same powerdraw and has 1080 perfomance?

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>people expect this to cost 399
Lmao! Yeah keep dreaming that AMD is going to sell a 12,5 billion transistor card for miners at that price.

>>62033682
Assuming Vega actually works - it has like two times more worth of geometry throughout compared to Polaris.
Even disregarding backend changes that's fucking MASSIVE.

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>>62033656
looks pretty good to me and i only play at 1080p anyway. i might still buy vega but not for personal use. probably buy up like 50-100 of them and sell them to these retarded miners in my class for 50% extra on top of what i paid for them

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>>62032222
My body is ready

>>62032222
Holy fuck check em.

>>62033685
after the problems of my 390 i'm not ready to buy another amd graphics card yet. too many issues over the couple of years i've owned it. maya compatibility is the obvious one.

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>>62033725
Those are old drivers. Pic related is on the new driver, which fixed voltage regulation.
:^)

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>>62033726
It better be because as of today Vega 56 undervolted is delivering better perf/watt than a 1070 and they still haven't even implemented primitive shaders yet!

>>62033773
you're right. these minerfags would eat this shit up if i tell them about undervolting. when do preorders open and how many can i buy per address?

Despite the pricing drama the 'they'll fix it with drivers' meme turned out to be true. Once prim shaders ie enabled and DSBR are working correctly. Shit is gonna hit the fan. AMD knew what they were doing despite their marketing team being shit.

Unleash THE HOUNDS!

>>62033875
I still don't understand why they hard launched the ref cards with the drivers in this state. It now seems they would have only needed a couple more weeks to get the drivers into a MUCH better state than they were on the 14th.

Still, I guess all the cards are selling so they appear to have gotten away with it.

>>62033973
Targets have to be met. Shareholders have to be satisfied. They prioritized FE Vega for the Pro market. It introduced a tight deadline to meet which they could not do with limited resources. It's always the same with AMD. Hopefully their successes and increased profits will allow them to increase resources in future.

>>62033973
The performance was enough to warrant a launch.
That's about it.

>>62033773
>>62033784
So this is the power of one of brightest star in night sky