OLED Display

>>62011584
>comparing OLED to IPS
A comparison to how much improves VA would be way more interesting.

>>62011606
How much?

>>62011618
How much it improves compared to VA. The thing is that IPS panels have dogshit contrast ratios and black levels, everybody knows that. VA is what you get if you care about either of those. It'd be interesting to see if theres even a visually identifiable difference between a 1:5000 contrast, 0.03cd/m^2 VA panel and a 1:20000 constrat, 0.00012cd/m^2 OLED screen (forn comparison, IPS usually dont even reach 1:1000 contrast and are stuch at ~0.12 to 0.18 cd/m^2).

A quickie: what monitor panels has best contrast?

>>62011654
And best black colour (obviously)?

>>62011654
IPS and TN sit around at 1:700-1000
VA usually hovers between 1:4500-5000

>>62011584
Fake and gay.
How can you see the difference if you aren't watching the comparison with an OLED panel?

>>62012045
because oled is able to show more shades of black

Oled is just minboggling tech.
0.1 ms reaction time, not sure about input lag but that's small too I bet. Uses less power, no need for a backlight too. Great colors, great deep blacks too. Only issue, you will have to sell your organs if you want to buy it and the burn in issues, maybe they solved the burn in issues.

it's more feasible to improve IPS contrast rates than to remove OLED ghosting

>>62012121
but then you got the backlight that makes black colors look purple or dark blue

>>62012121
Should just improve VA panels to improve color accuracy. Then you have the perfect panel. Eizo has 120HZ VA, incredible black and contrasts. All that thing needs is better colors then you have the perfect panel. Why bother with IPS glow, insane backlight bleedings, low contrast and black values when you can just take an existing panel technology and "only" adjust the color accuracy? Then again, sicne I dont know jackshit about the process of making panels I wouldnt be surprised if thats the hardest thing to do.

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OLED is the first tech that will make me remove Kuro. Not yet, but within the next three years the Kuro will go live with the XBR960 Trinitron. The Sony A1E is fascinating. Still need to see one calibrated, but it blacked me hard enough at the store.

can I use OLED TV as my monitor, can windows handle it?

>>62013867
You'll get image retention from the taskbar. OLED isn't quite there yet for static desktop interfaces.

>>62014208
or just set taskbar to autohide

>>62012111
the color green burns out so image quality decreases over time

>>62011584
The Apple iPhone will be the first mobile device on the planet to have it.

>>62015054
pretty sure samsung makes oled phones for a few years now

>>62015054
my 2013 gs4 has an oled display

>>62015064
>>62015148
You blew it.

Damn, I've been out of the loop.
Last time I checked about oiled was like 5 years ago and it was like a pipe dream.
Tech moves so fast

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>>62015193
This should be coming out of LG in a generation or two. RIP my plasma superiority complex.

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>>62015209

>>62011666
Therolically oled has infinity contrast as it can turn off individual pixels

>>62015237
it can cut light in between the pixels completely, so halo effect is present anyway it's not 100% contrast

>>62011643
Oleds have infinite contrast. They shutdown individual pixels. At best you'll get local glow. VAs have a slew of other problems like gamma shift on off angle, slow response, and glow ( light is difracted and gives the impression of a mild glow on the entire screen after the backlights are fully bright). Oleds done right could solve very single problem with lcds, if only the price were better and burn in was fixed

>>62015263
can't*

>>62015267
i'd get one if it went under $1 000 at least
DELL canceled $5k OLED monitor

>>62012121
Ghosting can be fixed with strobing, as on most monitors

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What could have been...

>>62015350
Yes. The CRTfag in me screams. But I'm ok with OLED defeating the LCD scourge.

>>62015350
That looks super washed out

>>62015410
just like the oled screens you can purchase in the next decade will be

>>62011643
I have a VA screen on my laptop, and I have to turn brightness really damn high for blacks to be noticeable. At night I can still see a glow but it's pretty subtle.

I wouldn't pay more for better blacks desu, but I would for other stuff.

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>>62015503
Are you joking?

>>62015410
Shit picture of prototype tech. The individual pixels were CRTs. Legal issues killed it. Could've been the OLED of the 00s and outdone the plasmas that no one remembers were still being sold.

>>62015503
We have oled tvs and phones that look exquisite

>>62015350
It's shit technology. There was an article addressing shit like fast electon emitters degradation because they have to be fucking small and other problems.

>>62015594
reason this tech folded is because it was shit

>>62015603
prices wont go down

>>62015064
>>62015148
AMOLED =! OLED

>>62015719
This is like saying TN and IPS aren't LCD retard.

>>62015719
Are you retarded? Active matrix is used in all modern screens. It's basically synonymous with "this screen is controlled by an electronic controller", which describes ALL screens today. Amoled is just plain old oled, they just dropped the prefix for marketing because Samsung mobile probably trademarked it so other companies cant use it

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>>62015410
just has the same kind of grey-looking screen when in a lit room
looks best in low light

>>62015832
>just has the same kind* of grey-looking screen when in a lit room
*as a crt

>bought LG IPS """""""""""HDR"""""""""" tv
>has noticeably brighter blacks than my moms budget vizeo 1080p VA panel
>even my samsung PLS monitor has better blacks
fucking kill me. I tried to get the samsung KS series but after I ordered it they fucking delivery people fucking lost it

whats the best style of screen that can actually be purchased

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>>62015874
friend of mine recently got a 4k "hdr" lcd tv
it's dynamic backlight is really annoying in dark scenes, it adjusts the brightness in multiple vertical pillars

>>62015897
Probably OLED as far as only quality is concerned

>>62015897
Apparently OLED can't be used as monitor because of burn in.
The others, LCD, VA, TN, all have their pros and cons. VA typically has better contrast than the others along with pretty good colours, but I've read people suffering from ghosting in games, LCD has good colours, TN has the fastest response times and if you'd like to do gaming at 144Hz you'd probably want that. It really just depends on what you want to do with it.

>>62015719
AMOLED = !OLED
So AMOLED is the opposite of OLED?

>>62015966
yeah mine does the same shit. its horrible; I can only use it for HDR movies because it's more helpful with the contrast. It looks like dogshit in regular color space stuff

>>62016027
>does not equal = opposite

>>62015966
Until you get per-pixel backlight adjustment it's going to be super annoying in scenes with light and dark elements.

>>62015970
>>62016010
oled still gets burn in in this day and age? i suppose for my case va is the best, im guessing it gets 100% adobe?

>>62016063
a != x means a does not equal x
a =!x means a equals the negation of x

>>62016076
Will probably depend on the model and I think in general LCD has a bit better colours, but I don't know.
I have a VA that is true 8 bits, no dithering, and the colours are pretty good, though apparently the contrast isn't all that great for a VA, though still better than LCD or TN.

>>62011643
>contrastlet
VAs would be nice if they didn't shit on gamma and one or two other things you can read on the hard forum

>>62016076
>VA
>colour accuracy
lol

>>62015209
That model is actually already being sold. It was 7000e in my local electronics store.

>>62011584
ABOUT FUCKING TIME THEY DID THIS. I can't wait to upgrade.

>>62015054
>what is PS Vita?

>>62011584
As long as burn-in is a problem, OLED is not suitable for computer monitor use (taskbar, clock burn in).

>>62011584
Call me when they have SUPER-AMOLED 4k @144hz.

>>62015054
My old Microsoft Lumia has a dank OLED, and a superior OS. Eat a dick.

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>>62011584
>OLED
Here's the next frame

>>62016576
you know crt's can burn in as well, and that people used them as computer monitors for decades, right?

>>62016791
this

i had screen burn in on an old dell monitor

>>62016791
Yes, which is quite arguably the one greatest advantage of LCD panels over CRTs.

>>62016567
>Dropped the OLED display in second generation
Shame, first gen is the only one worth buying.

>>62016791
I'd buy IPS just because the thing is cheap and lasts longer, and no burn in
I don't want to buy a new screen every year because I forgot to use a screensaver
Fuck contrast and black shit
I don't want to throw money away

>>62015209
My F8500 is still going strong enough, Plasmas are still amazing for sRGB 1080p content.

>>62017085
Don't disagree. Bought a low hour 151FD while I wait for OLEDs to drop in price a few months ago. Don't feel the need for 4k yet.

>>62016861
Even LCDs suffer from image persistence, though it's often not permanent. I have a HP ZR24w which is about 6 years old now, I use it as a portrait monitor for web browsing nowadays. All it does is display my browser 90% of the time and the UI on top, like the address bar and the bookmark bar have caused it to develop some persistence. It's very clearly visible, especially on grey backgrounds.

It's kind of fixable simply by displaying something else for a while, especially something with color flashing or movement, but if it's really bad it can take a very, very long time to remove completely, if that's even at all possible. I've had an entire week of different shit in that area at times and it still didn't clear up completely. Hell, some LCD monitors come with built-in features to remove image persistence, my Dell U2713HM has it.

>>62015678
>reason this tech folded is because it was shit
Legal killed it. Canon is a fuck to deal with even for sony.

>>62015678
Wrong kiddo.

>>62017462
>though it's often not permanent
It's virtually never permanent, which is quite significant. I too have some temporary persistence every now and then, but since it goes away, and particularly since it doesn't get worse and worse over time, I can get away with not caring about it.

>>62015678
Prices already went down. You can buy a 50" LG for less than $1200.

>>62017545
its not oled

>>62017534
>It's virtually never permanent, which is quite significant
Yes, but it can require a very long time to fix. As I've said I've tried to fix it for literally an entire week and it was not removed completely. I thought it was "good enough" and started using the browser again, within a few hours it was already much, much worse.

Even if it isn't theoretically permanent, in my case at least removing it completely and keeping it gone seems to be more than what I can practically do while still using the monitor normally. It's essentially permanent, I'm not going to give up on using the monitor to leave it flashing in red/green/blue for 2 weeks straight.

>>62017607
B6 panels aren't oled? I can't believe this story you're telling me. It's macabre.

>>62017613
>Yes, but it can require a very long time to fix.
The real point is that it doesn't get worse and worse over time. When I switched from CRT, I had used my current one for over five years, and the whole screen was a mess of differing amounts of burn-in. The same is starting to hold true for my OLED phone too. I've used my current IPS panel for over ten years, and while there is some temporary persistence when switching between workspaces, it doesn't get worse. (The CCD backlight is getting worse, though, but that's a separate issue, affects the entire screen area equally, and also much easier to replace.)

>>62016791
And screen savers will have a comeback.

I've missed screen savers.

>>62015410
>That looks super washed out

Because the photographer used on-camera flash the fucking retard.

>>62011584
Still shit latency?

>>62015019
Didn't plasma have this issue with blues, think they did fix it eventually (but died anyway, prob because of that myth)

>>62015350
>>62015647
Figured it died for a reason, if something was there, it would be a thing.

>>62016428
they got pretty good recently. sure as hell better than TN
almost near IPS on angles too

>>62018083
It's also blue with OLED.

With OLED I think they usually just double the size of the blue pixels so they can burn at 50% brightness which makes them last longer.

>>62011584
>screen burns
dropped

>>62017943
>The real point is that it doesn't get worse and worse over time
That's not true, it does get worse over time if you keep displaying the same image in the same part of the screen. The longer you do that, the longer it takes to fix too. LCDs don't really get any serious persistence in from normal use, my other 2 screens have none at all, since pretty much any normal workflow will involve some changes, home use where you would have a full-screen video or video game up from time to time essentially makes them immune to it, as far as I can tell.

It also depends on the image, as not everything seems to burn in, it looks to me like only certain high-contrast areas with no movement at all are prone to it, but if you do leave something like that up for very long time it does happen and it does get both more visible and harder to fix the longer you leave it up for.

In my case in particular it only happens on my 3rd, portrait monitor which is essentially a browser screen, the other 2 get at least occasional full-screen use and also see all kinds of software, so those are entirely fine.

are there no monitors where two displays are stacked on top of each other? LCD in front for colours and shit and white OLED behind it for adaptive uniform background lighting

>>62011606
VA is shit though. Viewing angles absolutely ruin them, and black level still isn't good enough for viewing at night with the lights off.

>>62016698
ayylmao

>>62011584
>$2700
>3 months of use before burn in
pass

>>62019635
>>62018162
This.
>dude hide the taskbar lmao
I still have to worry about HUD in muh games, potential burn in from video watermarks, static internet browser elements etc.
It's literally unusable for longer than 6-12 months.

>>62019635
>>62019703
You guys do realize that the burn-in isn't as it is with plasma right? Educate yourselves.

Will we get OLED laptops?

How do OLED phones screens avoid burn in? My phone has one that is nearly 5 years old. and I don't see any.

>>62015054
Like my '12 Samsung Galaxy SIII?

>>62018801
Closest thing is a FALD display, as far as I am aware.

>>62011584
>saturation and colours are instagram tier shit on the right screen
this is why people hate OLEDs

>>62018115
>if something was there, it would be a thing.

Oh how naive
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/31855.html

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>>62020661
>this is why people hate OLEDs
Retard.

>>62017462
image burn-in is a meme
manufacturers "repair" plasma tvs by running them through many hours of colorful, changing images.

>>62012045
Because the panel you're viewing the image with is capable of showing varying levels of black.

>>62018801
Interesting idea but LG's white oleds basically already do that by shining white oleds through different color subpixel arrangements.

Image retention will always be a problem though because it's simply a matter if the light source degrading with use. On an LCD monitor it's fine since the backlight is dumb and indiscriminate. But each pixel block on an oled monitor is the light source, so each pixel degrades differently with use.

The only solution is to make them last so long any degradation in 8 years is not noticeable or build in light sensors into each pixel so the controller can even out the light output for each pixel when some pixels lose degrade too much

>>62012045
You're not wrong. The image is simulated in the sense that it depends on the exposure used by the camera.

I have an oled/amoled/whatever screen on my phone, and just tried watching the TFA trailer on both it and my IPS iPad. The difference is noticeable in scenes with a lot of black or near-black (either overall dark scenes or just high contrast ones). In brighter scenes it's less of a jump.

I'm interested in the future of oled but the price needs to go down and any question of burnin needs to go away before it will be suitable for desktop panels.

>>62018083
plasma screens died because they were too expensive to make compared to lcd screens
quality dont mean shit when most of the world is poor as fuck and can only buy cheap shit products

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>>62011584
How can people see the difference if everyone is looking at this image from a LCD monitor?

>>62021075
The image was taken with a photographic device that has a much better dynamic range compared to a LCD monitor and converted into a range that is viewable using such a monitor.

>>62011643
I used the 15" 15EL9500 and the perceived contrast does continue to scale well into OLED blacks.

>>62018801
miniaturized dual layer LCD is coming if civil war is delayed.

>>62020336
Once OLED becomes cheaper as the backlight assembly is not required.

>>62021075
White-balance one screen. The other (color-calibrated differently) will look like shit. Wow.

>>62017462
>>62017534
>>62017613
The new Samsung S8, the on screen buttons move around slightly to avoid burn in, I guess it still happens. (Not near as bad as old screens, I have away a 47" from like 10 years ago because it had horrible burn in)

>>62021046
Guess that's true too (Betamax)
Hated the glass could bust on plasmas, and I fell for the "you lose your blues" meme, wish I had a better chance to check one out.

>>62011584
I've gotten used to OLED black with my phone and everything looks like trash now.

>>62021412
*everything else looks like trash

Does anyone here really gives a fuck about burn-in? I see it as a FUD meme, same shit we've had about SSDs being """unreliable""" (90% of the time due to shitty controllers bricking themselves).
Does anyone have pictures of a real burn-in that may impair my workflow or browsing? All I can find on the internet are autists reeeing at nearly unnoticeable 0.5% change in brightness on their phone status bars or fucking showcase phones/TVs that display the same picture for months. And even they don't seem to have a burn-in severe enough to cause any severe discomfort in real use.

Serious question, will we get neural interfaced VR before we get monitors with good contrast, brightness, viewing angles, accurate colors, low response time, high refresh rate, and indiscernible pixels, that are also affordable for a minimum wage nigger?

Bro bought a 55" LG OLED to use as a computer monitor.
Everything else looks like utter shit in comparison.
The faster this tech comes to be in every display on the planet, the better.
I'd consider getting one too if they came in smaller sizes.

>>62021755
I've heard of people who have been using OLED for years as monitors and experienced no burn in whatsoever.
It does seem like a meme that has carried to the modern day from some bygone era.

>>62021755
On my cell phone with an OLED screen, it's very apparent. I don't have another camera, so I can't take a picture of it, but my alarm clock has burned itself into the screen so as to be very visible on any area with a somewhat solid color. It's a 2013 Galaxy S3 Mini, so perhaps the situation has improved since then, but I wouldn't know about that.

>that may impair my workflow or browsing
Of course not, you could do that on a monochrome green CRT from 1979, but that doesn't mean it isn't undesirable.

>>62012448
I have the 65 A1E coming tomorrow. Can't wait.

>>62020336
Alienware R2 & R3
HP X330
Lenovo something
Samsung tab pros

Only one of these is powerfull enough to do shit.

>>62014437
this. why do people always talk about image retension on oled when a drooling retard could solve it.