Why do people still use CRT's?

>>62000313
Oh here's this thread again.

who are you quoting

CRT is a much better technology than LCD. 1) Perfect black levels 2) Flawless off-axis viewing 3) Much faster refresh rate than LCD 4) Warmer, more natural image (thanks to scan lines and small granules) 5) Far longer life-span 6) Not subject to manufacture problems such as dead-pixels 7) Good range of compatibility with lower or non-standard resolutions without blurring Given ultimate space and money the world’s best CRT could easily crush the world’s best LCD. So tell me /g/, why do you like your inferior screens that companies such as Samsung have brainwashed you to think is better than what already existed? The only cost-savings are on their end. And the funny thing is you guys keep buying this crappy LCD technology and giving away your free CRTs on Craigslist. A fool and his dollar are soon parted I guess. And before you start yapping about IPS panels: Enjoy your slow G2G response to switch pixels already, not to mention that hidden input and scalar lag. Luckily, CRT has no such bullshit. The only semi-legitimate point I’ve heard against CRTs regards weight, but you don’t bitch about the weight of a prospective couch while furniture shopping, do you? Didn’t think so.

>>62000348
Are low end CRT's like the Dell M782 any good?

>>62000382
Low end is low end, kid.

>>62000313
underage pls go

>>62000392
But is the DELLM782 any good?

>>62000382
Are you the same guy that made a thread about that monitor? There's one in my area being sold for like 10 bucks off cl

>>62000313
but muh nostalgia

>>62000421
yep

I payed 3 dollars for it and I keep going back and forth between my DELL1909W with it and just cant decide between the two

>>62000452
Why not use both? What do you do that makes you want to switch between the two

>>62000313
Cause it just weeks. Not everyone is a consumerist whore, who replaces their devices every 3 months

>>62000489
I love the Black levels of the CRT but its screen size is tiny feeling.

>>62000517
>just weeks
Werks, dammit werks

>>62000313
>4:3 in 2017
4:3 is superior for web browsing

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There's a very simple reason.

I bought a used slim CRT for $20 to watch Batman: The Animated Series in my garage. I use Raspberry pi as it has no USB. CRTs are great for watching old TV stuff.

>>62000348
Just get a plasma, best of both worlds and they're cheap now

>>62000313
Because >>61999198

I like the better viewing angles of CRTs, the fact that they can accurately portray low resolutions, and their far greater tolerance of rough handling than LCDs have. I resisted upgrading to an LCD a long time for those reasons. Even so, I very much do not want to go back -- the advantages of LCDs have WELL surpassed the advantages of CRTs.

(I do miss degaussing though.)

>>62000313
>4:3 in 2017
There is literally nothing wrong with 4:3.

>>62000611
Literally shit compared to any modern display.

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>>62000313

>>62000313
Thanks for spaces so I don't have to waste time putting them there
>shitty screen size
4:3 17" is enough vertically
>4:3 in 2017
Not an argument I could easily just say
>16:9 in 2017
>Weights an absolute fuck ton
Not my problem. I'm not poor so I have good sturdy desk
>takes up too much space on a desk
True but again I'm not poor so I don't have a small desk either
>Blurry
>he thinks the point of a CRT is sharpness
>Eye Strain like no other
Good thing I'm not poor so I can afford another fucking monitor
>that whiny hiss noise they make
Again good thing I can afford another monitor
>Stupidly reflective glass
Your problem. I don't have my back towards my windows
>VGA
You don't need more bandwidth to drive 1280x1024 monitor
>Ugly as fuck
(You)r opinion

10/10 made me reply
Thanks for the spaces

>>62000710
Those things still exist?

I use a CRT to watch my VHS tapes and maybe other outdated shit. That's about it.

>>62000348
I really want to like CRTs but the fact of the matter is that quite a few of them do making whining noises, most of them do not support high resolutions without cranking the refresh rate down to unacceptable levels, they use a ton of power, and VGA is becoming less and less supported.

I actually used one a while back until it's whining got worse and I couldn't handle it anymore. Still believe 4:3 is the superior aspect ratio.

>>62000348
/thread

>>62001336
seek help immediately

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>>62000313
I wish modern day CRT were a thing.

I use mine to consume pretty much any kind of entertainment media, but if I have to work I'll need to use an LCD for it's pixel perfect capabilities.

Until consumer grade OLED TVs are a thing, I don't see myself getting rid of my CRT any time soon.

I use a PVM mainly for GameBoy Color games, and would definitely get a nice CRT monitor for computing. I found one on CL where I'd have gotten paid $20 to get a 2048x1536 CRT but I didn't have a car then

>>62000348

You're skipping the part where you're looking at a fishbowl and the image can never truly be flat.

>Far longer life-span

I doubt that, CRTs fade just like LCD's except that while replacing the CCFL/LEDs is easy, you can crank up the flyback transformer on a CRT only so many times.

>>62001336
Nice setup! Love the old school audio gear and the CRT. That's a cool telephone too. I thought I was one of the very few users here who still has POTS service. I guess not :)

>>62003581
>You want to buy a CRT, but you don't have a car.
I know this feeling all too well.

>>62000348
t. Gaymur

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>>62000313
anon don't mess with the CRT people. It's like 2 guys now and they won't ever listen to reason.

>>62001336
oh boy that looks cozy, love it

>>62000313
>>shitty screen size
sufficient screen size for me and many others
>>4:3 in 2017
A really nice res for reading imo
>>Weights an absolute fuck ton
I do not lift my monitor everyday nor is my desk made out of wet indomie noodles
>>takes up too much space on a desk
This is a legit negative
>>Blurry
Depends on model and make
>>Eye Strain like no other
Not more than shitty tn panels
>>that whiny hiss noise they make
THIS,I hate that 16KHz they make,fuck that
>>Stupidly reflective glass
Like all the glossy LCD's?
>>VGA
Its an analog sceen
>>Ugly as fuck
It's a rectangle...

>>62000348
Sometimes geometry issues can get so bad that the only way to fix them would be to open up the monitor and mess with the magnets to adjust, although this usually only becomes a problem when a monitor has been transported a long distance from it's original latitude (I think). The complaint about resolution is such bullshit though, we had crts with 2000 lines long before anyone got close with lcds

>>62001336

Can you post that Asuka background?

>>62003876
get the fuck out of here grandpa.

>>62001336
goddamn this looks comfy.

>>62000313
>tfw no 1080p low-profile CRT
I know we have the technology but nobody seems to want it or care.

>>62001423
This entire post literally proves one would and should rather have an LCD. Nice job, moron.

>>62000313
>Not having a 16:10 2560x1600 screen fro £10
Who got
>>62000000

>>62000348
retard "spacing" is worse than reddit spacing
although i guess you make some good points

>>62001423
Good CRT's are razor sharp m8!

>>62000313

Color accuracy, that's pretty much it.

>>62000313
You're either too young, or were forced to use a crt long after it was obsolete because poverty.

I like them as a spare because it can do 640x480 RGB from a console,. Dreamcast looks amazing via RGB and a gonbes board + scanline generator does wonders for old 240p consoles.

>>62001336
slot cpus, nice, Misato a best waifu though

>>62003471
Why?

Fuck, what are some good quality CRTs right now?

>>62005990
Eizo F980

>>62004938
what are you even saying

>>62006023
Can't find any for sale. I don't want to get an old cheap CRT that flickers.

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you're right OP
look at the advantage 16:9 gives me! jeez how could anyone live without this?

>>62006078
The flickering's from the refresh rate, you just need one that runs at ≥85Hz

>>62006084
>make browser window less wide
>put other windows like your music player, torrent client, etc. beside it

retard

>>62006103
So find any CRT monitor with a refresh rate higher than 85 hz and I won't get into a problem?

>>62000313
Nostalgia,thats why i use mine

>>62006154
>having to resize windows constantly
no thanks turd. only if I were to use tiling wm

>>62000348
I love how fa/g/g/ots vouch for CRTs like their the end all be all way to view things and as soon as you show it to a normal human being they'll say something along the line of "wow, this looks really old and retro!". No sane normal human being would choose a CRT over a modern flat-screen. You are completely alone in your thinking compared to the rest of the world and I'd love to see when you recommend a CRT to a normal person by convincing them of the positives you mentioned, and them being mad at you because it's blurry and not HD. Your worldview is wrong. I will agree that smart TV's are cancer, though.

>>62006155
Most CRT tellies are 100Hz
Anythong over 1280x1024 and be driven at a lower resolution @85Hz

>>62006197
>using an OS that is too dumb to remember the sizes and locations of your windows
>not using Windows

>>62006217
I'm using Windows 7. It doesn't remember shit.

>>62006217
>using Windows

Convince me why I should get a CRT for my dual-screen setup.

>>62006206
hd content on lcds will always look better. but, /vr/ will argue all day long that crts are the way retro games are meant to be played. generally, dithered areas in reto games look dithered on lcds but look shaded on crts.

>>62006295
Fantastic picture for reasons listed above
Good 19" ones go well over 1080p or 80Hz
Cost between £1-10

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>>62006311
>Wasting all those deep colours to play super mario on the snes in 256 colours
Fucking gamefags!

>>62006338
"ayo dis nerd nigga said I should get a CRT so I got one, check dis shit"
"Nigga what the fuck that shit looks old and busted as fuck dawg."
"Fuck nigga, thought my cracka buddy had my back, doe. Was gon give him some fine she-boon bucci but now we just finna beat this crackas ass, right after we hit up Best Buy to get dis bomb ass 4k shit this indian nigga recommended me."

>>62006381
Why've you turned into American black bloke?

>>62000313
>tfw no modern 4:3 or 5:4 monitors
>tfw 16:10 dying fast

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>>62006406
just painting an accurate picture of what happens when /g/ or anyone on 4chan thinks their recommendations have any merit in the real world.
"ayo dis nigga Stallman recommended a ThinkPad, he says this shit gonna be fire, les turnt dis shit on"
"Niggga all I see are fuckin black screen and white text, what the fuck?"
"nigga what the fuck is a GNU"
"god fuckin DAMN my nigga this cracka got me again, I was funna get dis fire ass AlienWare laptop for call a duty n' shiet and dis richard FAGGOT fucked me again, les beat this fat cracka's ass"

>>62006501
They're around. Just in the higher end range

>>62006521
5:4? Got a link?

>>62006530
Here's something better if you have the coin, traveler.

http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/index.html

>>62006530
Not that guy, but here are NEC 4:3 and 5:4 IPS displays, and they're relatively new models made long after 4:3 and 5:4 were on their way out.

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/p212-bk

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/ea193mi-bk

>>62006208
>>62006295
>>62006338
>>62006023
Any more good CRT recommendations? I'm also interested.

>>62006556
Glorious. How much is it?

>>62006561
Thanks m8, these are actually affordable.

>>62006084
You know this is an artifact of websites being designed for vertical phone screens.

>>62006556
>it's real
I might cum.

>>62006610
>>62005990
nec

I would like to start by apologizing to all the CRT users that have horror stories that involve lcdfags, stories that I never believed. Because today I met my first lcdfag. I was in lecture when the usual guy that sat next to me was either absent or this asshole decided to just take his seat. That's fine I'm cool with it. Half an hour in we started typing, me on my typical 19" CRT and him on a puny little LCD laptop. That thing barely even extended to my own desk. I didn't give a fuck because my CRT was 19" so I had room. Then this idiot started to do some weird shit with his screen, minimizing and enlarging it. I don't know what he did because I'm a noob at LCDs but it showed like 5-6 screen at one time. Well he was doing this constantly which forced him to miss alot of the notes. So he had to look over to my CRT to read some of the notes he missed because he was fucking around with his LCD screen. This guy was starting to piss me off. Then he whispered to me, "Your CRT screen is so easy to read it's so crystal-clear." In which I promptly reply, "Maybe if spend the time copying the notes instead of fucking around with your LCD screen then you wouldn't have to copy off me.." He was silent for a while then came back with, "I didn't know you were going to be an asshole about it." I stayed silent then he moved seats because I was about to knock both him and his shitty LCD laptop on the floor. He said, "I'm moving seats," I told him Good GTFO out of here. I was ready to get in a fight with this fucker. It's not because he owned an LCD but the way he acted while COPYING the notes I take because he was too busy e-cock sucking his tiny monitor.

>>62000313
>4:3 is always bad/worse
And you're still on this board?

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>>62006879

>"Hey nice CRT"
>GTFO FAG

This is like, one of those "baits", isn't it?

>>62006867
?

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1) Perfect black levels
2) Flawless off-axis viewing
3) Much faster refresh rate than LCD
4) Warmer, more natural image (thanks to scan lines and small granules)
5) Far longer life-span
6) Not subject to manufacture problems such as dead-pixels
7) Good range of compatibility with lower or non-standard resolutions without blurring

Given ultimate space and money the world's best CRT could easily crush the world's best LCD. So tell me /g/, why do you like your inferior screens that companies such as Samsung have brainwashed you to think is better than what already existed? The only cost-savings are on their end.

And the funny thing is you guys keep buying this crappy LCD technology and giving away your free CRTs on Craigslist. A fool and his dollar are soon parted I guess.

And before you start yapping about IPS panels:
Enjoy your slow G2G response to switch pixels already, not to mention that hidden input and scalar lag. Luckily, CRT has no such bullshit.

The only semi-legitimate point I've heard against CRTs regards weight, but you don't bitch about the weight of a prospective couch while furniture shopping, do you? Didn't think so.

>>62007198
>The only semi-legitimate point I've heard against CRTs
I heard that CRTs hurt your eyes

>>62007198
>1) literal x-rays through your face
>2) If you think glossy LCD is bad for reflections, wait until you see actual glass CRT screens.
>3)Best CRT is Sony 16:10 at "24" inches (actually 22.5 viewable), and there will never be anything better made. It cannot be purchased new, you won't get any warranties ever, and their functionality is only degrading further as we speak.
>4) LED backlit LCDs (pretty much any modern LCD) have a very long MTBF, on par with that of CRT.

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I Used to have one of this in black, the image Quality was absolutely great

>>62007299
>x-rays through your face
Instantly invalid

>>62007198
>Did you guys know that first get TN panels weren't as good as CRT in certain things?
No shit sherlock.
>6) Not subject to manufacture problems such as dead-pixels
And now you are just showing your ignorance, pixels on CRT do "burn out"

>>62000313
For smash melee you fucking casual

>>62004556
>crt
>low profile
>>62005990
Anything with an aperture grille tube such as Trinitron or Diamondtron.

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>>62001336
>Minolta

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>>62007367
>>62007299
>>62007212

That's a pasta, not only that it has already been posted on the this thread.

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>>62007340
>instantly invalid
I guess if the x-ray hits the right part of the brain??

>>62000313
Old games. Don't need it for Brood War anymore though.

>>62001336
man that looks comfy as fuck, my room is bland and shit... idk how to spice it up like that

>>62007411
>>62007411
Are you telling me that the radiation given off by an LCD CCFL traveling through a few thin plastic sheets is less than radiation from the phosphor going through over an inch of solid lead glass?

>>62007462
lol what?

There is literally zero ionizing radiation given off by an LED-backlit LCD (99% of all LCDs made today). And where the fuck did you get the idea that a CRT has an inch thick piece of glass in it anywhere?

>>62000343
>not knowing that it is also used for anecdotes

>>62000313
>>Blurry
>>Eye Strain like no other
this is bs but others is yes

t. converted from crt to glorious +++amva+

>>62000313
OLED monitors don't exist yet.

>>62006879
>I was in lecture
>me on my typical 19" CRT

You took your fucking CRT to a class room? And connected it to what?

Is this a new pasta?

>>62007965
How can it be pasta if it's new?

>>62001336
What CRT monitor is that?

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Don't get a CRT if you're on your PC for long sessions (+ 1 hour). It'll give you eye strains unlike LCD monitors.

>>62000313
usually because the color reproduction and contrast are really good. wider gamut too.

flat screens are still a (relatively) new technology. it may take time before that catches up. the engineers will come up with something.

>>62000313
neat desu

>>62000348
>CRT
>perfect black

What the fuck did I just read?

>>62000348
>7) Good range of compatibility with lower or non-standard resolutions without blurring

honestly this is the biggest and only selling point anymore, using non-standard resolutions on lcds is cancer and always will be

>>62000382
low end crts aren't anything to write home about, if you're "investing" into a crt you may as well go with an aperture grill model, the problem is widely documented good crts are now a collectors item and are being jacked up in price so outside of doing hours of research and waiting months for a single crt in shit quality to pop up you won't be getting anything soon

>>62008381
>always will be
I doubt it. 4k on an 8k screen looks fine. Even 1080p on a 4k screen is fine.

>>62008431
those are about the best case scenarios and even then it's heavily dependent upon the dpi of the screen, if it's a 24" 4k screen it should look identical to a 24" 1080p screen in theory but 1080p on my 27" 4k screen looks like blurry ass and I very much doubt 27" 1080p screens look this bad

>>62004558
I like how comfy my CRT is
Plus I don't remember asking you what to put on my desk
Nor I do remember making the argument you need a CRT

>>62005966
Because you can't keep on upsetting people with how logical and reasonable your monitor set up is

Are most Trinitrons and Veiwsonic CRT's good?

>>62008547
Well thanks for your opinion But that wasn't me asking but honestly it works for me and I could not give a shit about your opinion

>>62008249
Bong here so CRT's are 50Hz.
I get worse eye strain from my thinkpad LCD than my telly.

>>62003876
Glossy LCDs are the fucking worst.

>>62008431
have you even tried lower resolutions on an LCD? Literally anything other than the native resolution looks like absolute shit.

>>62001336
Now thats a cozy setup. Vertical monitors are underrated

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>>62004393
not him but here u go. Probably not the best resolution but reverse image search should lead you to a higher quality image.

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>>62008249
That water molecule is LEWD!!!

>>62008811
Most Trinitrons are decent, I'd say. Viewsonic made a lot of shadow mask monitors, and I'm just not a shadow mask fan.

Condition is everything, though. Most late-model Trinitrons have a design flaw that caused them to develop a washed out black level, but it can be fixed with a special cable and software as long as the CRT isn't really at the end of its life.

>>62009429
Different anon, but it's more safe to buy a LCD instead of a CRT due to age and sellers from Ebay/Craigslist?

>>62009608
More safe? As in less chance of problems? Sure, plus if you buy an LCD brand new from a reputable store, you should be able to return/exchange it without losing anything.

Any used display will be a gamble unless you can thoroughly inspect it before purchasing, and even then it could fail the next day and you won't have a warranty. Getting a used CRT certainly isn't worth it unless you really want a CRT.

>>62000313
>4:3 in 2017
What does aspect ratio have to do with the year? Were you born like this?

>>62000348
sorry but an OLED screen beat a CRT monitor in all aspects.

>>62010410
Content of the past (TV shows, video games, etc.) was mostly 4:3, and home video was mostly accomadating 4:3. As 16:9 displays became more common, so did the content. Playing media of the present on 4:3 screens will end up with either black bars or cut offs.

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>>62000313
>weights a fuckton
do you happen to move your screen a lot? depends on the screen to. Aperture grill ones can weight 40-50 kilograms but others are 20 kilograms or less.
>blurry
0.25mm pixel pitch isn't that bad. many LCDs have 0.20mm for reference.
scaling is actually amazing if you like to change resolutions a lot and color quality can only be matched by IPS and OLED panels.
>eye strain
use a refresh rate over 70 or 80. to be fair it varies a lot from person to person. also reduce the color from 9300K (blue-ish) to 7000K or 5100K (yellow-ish)
>VGA
whats the disadvantage here?

Either gaymers who need that 1ms decrease in response time or people too poor for a good ips or plasma

>>62000313
>Weights an absolute fuck ton
are you carrying it on a bag to work everyday?

>>62010477
>1ms decrease
CRTs have virtually no displaylag. its been measured to be 2ms while the fastest modern displays have 8ms
>no matter how much you spend on a modern display it will never be as fast as an outdated piece of hardware from the 80's

>>62008979
Probably because your Thinkpad uses pulse-width modulation to dim the display. Which I agree,that fucks with your eyes a lot more than any CRT I've ever used.

>>62010541
Oh sorry 6ms then.

>>62010541
>2ms
citation? I thought it was less.

Anyway a modern LCD with minimal onboard processing can do 2ms, depending on the scene.

What's more, a 144Hz LCD will give you faster updates in most scenarios than any CRT with a decent resolution.

>>62008411
Which ones should I look out for and potentially grab before they get memed too hard? The FW900 is obvious and way too price-gouged at this point, but anything else?

>>62010611
You won't get faster updates, you'll just see more delayed ones more often

>>62001336
https://youtu.be/YixAD9GIAuY

>>62006023
Good fucking luck finding one. Or an F930 for that matter.

>>62010626
If you care about pixel-level updates sure. If you're looking for a full image then the 144Hz LCD is more consistently giving you a newer picture.

>>62010611
it was supposed to be 0, but with the equipment used to actually measure it its around 2ms
i think i read it in displaylag dot com or wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_lag
basically, as long as you use a digital panel you are bound to have displaylag.
in a CRT the rays from the back of the screen just shoot the image out, in
an LCD/IPS/whatever needs to process the input for a few microseconds before displaying it
TL;DR: modern displays with the same basic concepts of today will never surpass CRTs in display lag

>>62010677
yes they will hello?

>>62000313
Lifter for the phone-wave

>>62010615
Anything with an aperture grille tube. Sony aside, some Dell and IBM models use Trinitron tubes as well. Look at the specs and make sure it can do at least 1600x1200 at 75 hertz.

>>62010455
Are there benefits to using 4:3 instead of 16:9?

>>62010691
no they wont
LCDs will never have better displaylag than CRTs
you might be confusing refresh rate with displaylag.
time between frames doesnt equal displaylag.

>>62010677
Yeah but what I'm saying is that if your CRT is running at 80Hz, the top scanlines of your screen are approx 12ms old by the time your electron beam is updating the bottom scanlines.

If your LCD is running at 144Hz, each frame is fully displayed in ~7ms

>>62010714
better for reading and browsing websites imo
better for watching 4:3 multimedia content
youtube will actually fit the screen if a 4:3 video is rendered correctly in their 4:3 ratio

>>62010714
No. It's just that wide-screen CRT monitors are very rare. Beggars can't be choosers.

>>62010733
Wrong

>>62010728
also my particular LCD (from 2007 no less) has 0 input lag

https://hardforum.com/threads/measured-3007wfp-hc-input-lag-precisely.1471308/

>>62010792
>Wrong
Wrong

>>62010875
>Wrong
Wrong

>>62010881
>>Wrong
>Wrong
Wrong

>>62010941
>>>Wrong
>>Wrong
>Wrong
Wrong

>>62000348
No, they're dogshit. Lasted too long anyway

>>62000313
(you)

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>4:3 in 2017
Just get a 24" 16:10 CRT, it's perfect in every way for gaming and movies.

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>>62010955

I've been doing some research about the topic and it might be possible to do interlaced 4k video on some CRT projectors. Ones that can be found on the used market for less than a couple of hundred dollars. Sometimes for free.

By the way before start with the
>interlaced
shitposts please have some idea what you are talking about first. Interlaced on a CRT is not like on other technology. Interlaced 4k would be as "real" 4k as progressive just like 1080i on a CRT is real 1920x1080 resolution quality.

If CRT screens are so great, why don't they use them for labtobs

>>62011084
>24" 16:10 CRT
Literally where?

>>62011094
>Interlaced 4k would be as "real" 4k as progressive just like 1080i on a CRT is real 1920x1080 resolution quality.
That's... grossly inaccurate.

>>62011104
Just a bit of luck on craiglist. Finding one that is both close and cheap can get pretty long.

>>62011104
Rare as rocking horse shite and often for thousands of pounds.

>>62001336
That cup nearby scares the shit out of me

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>>62011084
>tfw nobody ever talks about the non-Sony widescreen CRTs

Look at this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-F38310-38-16-9-HDTV-with-Stand-200-/322626846147?epid=48197030&hash=item4b1e0efdc3:g:INsAAOSwq~tZRvdp

$200 for 38" of incredible picture. Is it a Trinitron? No. But Trinitron is not the end of the story for CRT technology or quality. This set would use a slot mask or a technology called cromaclear that still results in a great image. And in a size Sony never released in this aspect ratio. The resolved detail is only equivalent to 1280x1080 (the actual resolution is 1920x1080 so you don't need to mess with stretching or anything like that) but even at 38" that is still plenty.

>>62011120
Explain why it is grossly inaccurate because
1. it's not
2. it will entertain me to see you talk out of your ass

>>62011157
Tons of manufacturers build widescreen CRT, but Sony is one of the few who bothered with widescreen computer CRT.
This RCA set sounds nice for DVD/LD playback, but would useless for gaming.

>>62011178
How about you first justify your chucklefuck of a post. Burden of proof and all that.

>>62011221
1080i60 = 1080p30

It's as simple as that. Are you one of those thick people that think 1080i = 480p because that's how your shitty early gen LCD HDTV treated it?

>>62011213
>but would useless for gaming.
I see nothing about this unit that would make it useless for gaming. Looks like a fine TV to me. It may not reach full 1920x180 visible level of detail but it has a lot of other stuff going for it.
>great color, contrast
>low lag
>the CRT "feel"
>probably has nice sound out of the built-in speakers

I'd take it tomorrow if it was near me.

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I use one of these beasts, All 60lbs of it... For server shit. The blacks are nice but everything else is pretty bad.

>>62006367
Yeah, this is starting to bother me more as time goes by. As well as them perpetuating the idea that Trinitrons are the only worthwhile CRTs.

>>62000348
>burns your eyes out
>static and radiation also gave me chronic headaches
>smoll as fuck most screens are 17-20"
>Most if not all tubes get a phosphorous ghosting effect where green or colored shit floats around the screen
>scanlines
>can never get a 1:1 pixelmap and image is distorted somewhat
besides they have been shitty for the last 17+ years i dont know why anyone would touch them

A modern 27" 4k IPS panel shits over most if not all CRT's

>>62011084
>me in the middle
t260r a best!

>>62011515
>>static and radiation also gave me chronic headaches
we can safely disregard your opinions

>>62011331
>1080i60 = 1080p30
You're not rendering the same frames, lad. They're the same maybe in terms of performance, and that's debatable.

>>62011442
You could be mining shitcoins with those extra watts.

>>62011776
As long as you do the transformations correctly you have the same image data. Combing and things like pulldown complicate the matter, but 1920x1080i is true HD.

>>62011543
Actually a T240. I got it in 2010, didn't have a single problem with it. My only complaint is a lack of a vesa mount in the back.

I wouldn't use a CRT to work normally but I do use a small CRT TV beside my PC monitor. It's not too stylish but it doesn't take too much space on this L shaped desk.

I use it because both the Wii (with all them emulators) and the PS1 are much better looking. On PC I have to deal with some input lag, stupid filters and a ratio that just doesn't work well.

>>62000313
>>shitty screen size

>>4:3 in 2017
not an argument
>>Weights an absolute fuck ton
not an argument, get /fit/ lardass
>>takes up too much space on a desk
only legitimate complaint gere
>>Blurry
not an argument
>>Eye Strain like no other
ive had more eye straid using lcd and plasma displays more than using crts for or 16 years
>>that whiny hiss noise they make
not an argument, degaussing is a requirement to remove magnetic fields
>>Stupidly reflective glass
>complaining about glass being reflective
>i shiggy
>>VGA
not an argument
>>Ugly as fuck
not an argument

>>62015496
>only legitimate complaint gere
Desklet

>>62000313
Low resolution CRT have its purposes, as they make 320x240 not look like shit.

But high resolution screens have no purpose.

>>62000313
>whiny high noise
underage pls go

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All this people praising CRTs are forgetting that it doesn't matter when the bulky piece of shit gives you eye cancer. the image quality could be 16k display quality tier 500hz but who cares when it ruins the thing that lets you see those things

>>62000313
Hey I use a 22' nec multisync.

4:3 is a better aspect ratio, but some games don't support it.

It's heavy, but I made a stand from square pipe steel. It's not on a desk, I just have a chair (an eames lounge) and monitor on stand.

The 'blur' is pixel halation, just make sure your contrast is good and you are sitting at a good distance. They look amazing in situations where pixel level detail is unnecessary (games, video, photos, text).

No eye strain if brightness is correct relative to the room. CRT have crazy contrast so you can easily strain your eyes reading white text on black at full contrast and brightness in a dark room.

Whine is from the transformers delaminating, don't get a cheap CRT unless you are going to fix it. Good quality CRT don't whine.

Again, cheap CRT don't have anti glare coatings, good ones do. Don't forget they have insane contrast so it isn't a big issue the way it is with lcds.

VGA is cheaper crts, but it's fine as long as you have a good cable, plus it's low latency!

Ultimately they are still the best in every metric but weight and power usage.

>>62003586
Good quality CRTs from the previous millennium still work perfectly.

>>62008431
>direct integer divisions look acceptable

Oh, ok.

>>62000313
>>shitty screen size
good quality image. I would say pixel density but there's no pixels
>>4:3 in 2017
superior ratio for current year
>>Weights an absolute fuck ton
it's not a laptop, you don't hold it when using it
>>takes up too much space on a desk
your fault for having a desklet
>>Blurry
my 1900x1440 crt is sharper than any other monitor I owned until I got a 4k one. the 70hz minimum refresh rate is also superior in clarity.
>>Eye Strain like no other
accurate color displays and deep blacks make my eyes relax because they don't have to work hard to make out the clear images
>>that whiny hiss noise they make
literally not an issue
>>Stupidly reflective glass
matte surfaces restrict accurate colors and reduce brightness
>>VGA
literally as good as HDMI but without audio
>>Ugly as fuck
no u

>>62015697
Source? Preferably not from infowars

>>62016014
>99% of video is usually at 16:9

16:9 looks fucking tiny on a 4:3 screen

Games are now more often not supporting 4:3

VGA is almost never on decent graphics cards anymore

>>62016111
The internet, fucktard

>>62000313
>hardware that won't work without a CRT (like old light guns)
>high refresh rates
>cheap
>authentic old display fits with old stuff
>4:3 aspect ratio for 4:3 content

>>62016014
>>>VGA
>literally as good as HDMI but without audio
>implying HDMI is acceptable
>he likes to have drm baked into connections he uses

>>62007212
Only if you leave them at 60hz.

>>62008249
Gutsman?

>>62001336
workstation goal right here

>>62001336
I'm jelly of that Mignonne. Ohnuki is bretty gud.

>>62000348
Are there any decent slimish crt screens?

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>>62000313
Odd nobody mentions these things produced heat like shit
ever used these in summer in a room without climate regulation?

>>62007155
nec fp2141

i still have mine, it still works. used it to play competitive overwatch for awhile.

>>62016141
>watching movies on your computer monitor
>>62016310
>implying that there is any DRM on a VGA connection
you people are literally fucking retarded

>>62017660
>implying that there is any DRM on a VGA connection
>I can't read

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can someone help me I have a weird problem with my fw900, other then that works like a charm

last time worked fine, when I turned it on I got pic related,I suspect the neck boards logic may have crapped out

can i take it to a service shop, would they laugh at me but its still a very valuable and rare monitor

>>62011084
>>62011543
I have a T260 and it's absolutely great. For a monitor/TV almost a decade old is quite impressive.

>>62017833
yes any service shop can fix it up for you. sadly youre not smart enough to do it on your own

>>62015697
I love this meme.

>>62019288

what i am scared of is that they wount handle it with care cause its heavy (they are used to carry lcd which are paper light) and could dammage also the AG is so sensitive to scrathes if you just press a finger on it it can already leave marks on it

what im thinking is I can just order the logic chips on ebay and get them resoldered by a tech, therefore I would pnly have to deliver the neck board instead

I actaully have tons of crts in storage all 21" and above except for vintage ones, love the 90s trinitrons

>>62015697

I would bet you dont know anything about electronics

>muh blacks
mostly this

>>62019511
do some research or even check your local subreddit and ask them if they had any good places that you can get your crt fixed

>>62019564

well there is a problem, I live in the middle of nowhere, also I dont think there are still any real repairmen available cause todays stuff is just all modular and you just replace the broken part

>>62010648
reading this on an F930 right now

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It's way better than my laptop screen and scales low resolutions perfectly for emulation

Not the highest resolution ever though (1280x1024@65hz though 1080p60 is possible)

>>62000313
>Why do people still use CRTs?

High refresh rate without a high price tag

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Only CRT matters

4:3 is amazing.

>>62015925
>Ultimately they are still the best in every metric but weight and power usage.

CRT contrast is poorer than IPS after about 40% image intensity. It has very poor inter-field contrast. CRTs lack a polarizer and so have poor perceptual contrast in conventional lighting environments. The best CRTs had a maximum luminance of about 90 cd/m2 which is well short of the 160-200 cd/m2 required to correctly display saturated colours.

But CRT fans won't tell you this.

>>62000313
Cuz they smell amazing

>>62010611
IIRC it is 0.1 ms for two of the electron phosphors, but one colour has a longer delay.

>>62000313
They use a surprisingly low amount of power except for the inrush when you turn it on, are comfy on the eyes, have no 'inherent' resolution, and look nice.

Analog is comfier.

the main problem with CRT is the obsolete aspect ratio

>>62000313
>>that whiny hiss noise they make
The only whining I hear is you, you little bitch

>>62023828
The main problem with LCD and LED is the fixed resolution.

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>>62000313
because a good crt shits all over everything currently on the market.

/thread

>>62007491
He's just trying to fit in

>>62000965
/thread

>>62001091
Games

>>62011088
fucking ytmnd

>>62025119
>good CRT
that's the problem, there is none

a good CRT needs to have a flat wide screen

>>62006206
>as soon as you show it to a normal human being

4chan is the antithesis of "normal". Normalfaggots do not belong here. Please fuck off already.

>>62023828
The main problem is they're not made anymore.

>>62025252
Games are one of the reason I'm going specifically for 4:3.

>>62025265
>a good CRT needs to have a flat wide screen
See >>62025119

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>1600x1200
>100Hz
>10$
>0ms delay
>can go up to 120Hz on lower res

yesterday i installed 750ti(50$) into my Dell Optiplex with i4790 for 250$ and oh my god everything is
>sooooooo
> smooth™

feel like a rich man on a poor budget

Fuck off haters
>I am enjoying my setup to the max

>>62000313
>Why do people still use CRT's?
Because the LCD/AMOLED screen with the same image quality costs fokken loads of emone.

>>62027860
Good on ya.

>>62000313
No one does. Quit positing dumb shit fuckhead.

>>62015697
>eye cancer
your post give me eye cancer

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>>62000313
I can scan 3840x240 for muh pixel perfect /vr/.

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>>62025119
>pic

>>62000313
>>shitty screen size
>>4:3 in 2017
Comfy for old software and media
>>Weights an absolute fuck ton
>>takes up too much space on a desk
I have too much free desk space, three CRTs I got for literally nothing complete my two flatscreen setup
>>Blurry
>>Eye Strain like no other
actually fine if sitting far away (wich I do because I have so much screen estate)
>>that whiny hiss noise they make
I dunno man, my home server in the closet makes more noise and I have music or CB on every woke hour of my life.
>>Stupidly reflective glass
how is that a problem in a world where ricers like to blind themselves with leds anyway?
>>VGA
adapters
>>Ugly as fuck
retro aesthtic is all the rage nowadays

Really any exclusivefag has it wrong. The anwser is MOAR SCREENS. And since CRTs are being thrown out or given away for peanuts, there's no reason to not have a bunch of them with your flatscreens.

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>>62000313
>shitty screen size
get a bigger one
>4:3 in 2017
4:3 is the best
>Weights an absolute fuck ton
do you even lift?
>takes up too much space on a desk
desklets need not apply
>Blurry
check your eyes lately?
>Eye Strain like no other
dont put it on maximum brightness you retard, its not like your dim cuck panels
>that whiny hiss noise they make
that makes two of you
>VGA
what about VGA
>Ugly as fuck
you should get on a storm then

>>62000313
>shitty screen size
They cost nothing so I can mosaic 20 of them.
>4:3 in 2017
I don't want black bars on my abe animes.
>Weights an absolute fuck ton
if I wanted to laugh I'd ask for you're one rep maxes
>takes up too much space on a desk
>not bolting them all to your wall
>Blurry
Like that matter in the era of flat design.
>Eye Strain like no other
I don't use my eyes, I perceive the electrons with my brain.
>that whiny hiss noise they make
I have moved the electricity transformer in my clsoet so I can hear the appeasing hum.
>VGA
implying I didn't jury rig a bunck of naked wire and tape for all my cables
>Ugly as fuck
t. low test, thicc monitors for real chumemrs

>>62000313
no log

>>62032630
*lag

>>62031403
>guise a broken monitor this means all the monitors are shit xD

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>>62000343
Your fat ugly mother that shat you into this unholy godforsaken world

>>62015938

Good quality stuff lasts longer in general, and that includes LCDs too.

My point was more that LCDs are easier to service as you just need to replace the backlight 99% of the time. CRTs need more complex procedures like convergence, electron gun voltage and focus adjustement to get working like new again. Phosphors wear out over time too, but it's usually multiple decades before it becomes noticeable.

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>>62025119
The CRT idiots remind me of the Blenderfags in /3 or the Grimesfags from /mu. I suspect it's the same 3 fucktards on every board.

>>62034019
>just need to replace the backlight
>just
Where do you even get OEM or OEM-quality CCFL tubes?

I replaced a backlight in a ThinkPad once, but the replacement I got to try produced a sickly green color and was not usable at all. I just gave up at that point because it was a pain in the ass to replace properly, and I didn't want to keep buying and swapping junky aftermarket backlights with no guarantee that they'd be of any usable quality.