Stop blame AMD

>>61994400
hardware's fine, how about they hire more fucking driver devs and actually start using all those features

with more nigs they could start doing more game-specific hacks the way nvidia does

>AMDrones denial

Vega is an overrated, overhyped hot piece of shit, its only use is for miners/workstations or AMD fans willing to pay extra money for lower performance.

>>61994432
Vega suck on every games and efficiency, this is not a specific driver issue.

>>61994495
Vega was only intended to be clocked around 1.5 GHz ("25 TFLOPS fp16"), but they did another factory overclock special when performance in actual games turned out shitty.

Whether that's a fundamental hardware design issue or just really poor drivers remains to be seen, but "efficiency" is primarily a function of how fast a company wants the standard clocking to be.

>>61994599
It was actually 225W at 12TF (SP) originally. Then 12.5TF (25TF half precision), and then 13TF. It kept going up...

>>61994437
Thread.

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>>61994495
>Vega suck on every games
the most funny thing about this launch, shills are not using graphs, like at all
580 launch board was full of graphs because it was neck and neck to 1060
vega - nope no graphs, just words in category of "no (you)!"

really makes you think

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>>61994756
Yup, no graphs what so ever...

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>>61994756
No graphs at all.

>>61994788
1080 yearly cost ~$70
vega 64 at 350w powerdraw yearly cost ~$80

hilariously they have identical temperatures

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>>61994756
A year and a half of extra development time, and this is AMD's response. No drivers. Over volted cards to salvage as many shitty dies as they can muster. And worse performance per watt this side of Fermi.

>you will never be a desing

>>61994400

Nope, the problem is that Vega was build around Professional and general compete market not silly-ass gamying.

AMD pretty much gave-up high-end gayming market once Maxwell came around and wreck their shit with the 970.

Vega 64s are really just rejects that ate too much power for Frontier and Instinct markets.

>>61994788
>>61994798
>>61994813
>Shilling so hard for nvidia
They would never even give you $1 to a neet like you

>>61994813

Actually, Vega outperforms Hawaii and Fury and it is more energy efficient then them. The problem is that Pascal is go bloody efficient thanks to 16nm process and building upon already efficient Maxwell.

>>61994839
>Facts are shilling

Don't start none, won't be none.

>>61994861
>facts are shilling
Even if nvidia is better stop wasting your time by posting so many comments with pics too.
You are wasting your own life and defending a big corporation who wouldn't give you a fuck

Received mine yesterday, and it's total garbage.
Mostly because it's loud as fuck.
I'm really surprised it makes so much noise. I had reference rx480s before and they were half as loud as this is.
Also, undervolting doesn't seem to work at all.

>>61994977
>buying a blower style, ever
you are an idiot.

>>61994400
>Vega is shit
I want /v/ to get out. Vega is a workstation card and it excels at that, gaming is only a secondary task to it and whether it is good at it or not shouldn't matter for the hard working white man who will be buying the card.

>>61995015
I don't mind, really. It's not like I game that much to begin with.
Maybe I'll stick an after-market cooler on it later, if they ever fix their drivers.

>>61995050
>I don't mind, really
you just did.
>Maybe I'll stick an after-market cooler on it later
this has to be your priority.

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>>61995036
So what is the point of the Vega (((((RX)))))? Workstation cards like Quadros are good on gayming.

>>61995070
It's most likely gonna be the same as the 480s.
Do benchmarks for a week to find good settings.
Then don't remember them when driver update.
So fuck it and default clock all the way.
Maybe play an occasional AAA game, only to return to Factorio/Kerbal Space Program.
I have no Idea why I keep upgrading for no reason.

>>61995119
Cheaper than the Quadro, and a working man doesn't think about gaming when buying a workstation card. Get over it /v/, AMD doesn't care about you anymore.

>>61995119
Gaymen drivers for RX Vega are not ready yet.

>>61995123
>I have no Idea why I keep upgrading for no reason.
it is simple. because you can.

>>61994400
Shouldn't AMD be responsible for releasing card without drivers?

>>61995141
>Gaymen drivers for RX Vega are not ready yet.
[Citation]
>>61995139
>AMD doesn't care about you anymore
This is the problem

>>61995162
>[Citation]
Here, catch.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-Vega-64-Grafikkarte-266623/Tests/Benchmark-Preis-Release-1235445/3/
>>61995160
Well it has drivers.
They are alpha-quality though.

>>61995169
>http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-Vega-64-Grafikkarte-266623/Tests/Benchmark-Preis-Release-1235445/3/

Can you elaborate?

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>>61995036
>rx vega suck because it's a worksation card

Oh boy...

>>61995196
>Can you elaborate?
Tick the RX580 in the list and look closely at the number of culled tris.
NGG path is currenly disabled for RX Vega, it works like bigger Polaris.
PDA is working though, just compare it to Fiji, clock per clock.

>>61995162
>This is the problem
It is not, AMD was (and maybe still is) in a financial crisis. When you are in that situation you have to trim the fat and focus on what brings the maximum amount of money (in this case business clients and professionals).

>>61995265
Gaming brings the most money, even for nVidia.
It's just gaymen market is extremely volatile if you're not nVidia.

>>61995280
you just undermined yourself in 1 sentence.

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>>61995265
>what brings the maximum amount of money (in this case business clients and professionals)

yeah, I never saw a single mi25 nor wx 9100 in my life

>>61995303
Linux plx go

>>61995162
>[Citation]
Hilariously enough, you'd have to be an Nvidia fanboy or an idiot to not understand this.

Every AMD GCN generation save for the blitzkrieg-up-Nvidia's-ass 7000 series (which, I remind you, was the last AMD gpu arch Raja Koduri was 100% involved in from start to finish before leaving) underperformed against their value competition for about 8-10 months until driver development caught up with the card's programming needs.
Just compare GCN's programming model to Nvidia's [Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal] model -
GCN is a clusterfuck "jack of all trades" compute-oriented (read: throughput at the expense of latency) design which needs a ridiculous amount of hand-tailored code to function optimally for any given non compute workload.
It's that bad for gaming. Gaming needs latency-over-throughput functionality.

GCN is the exact opposite of a gaming arch, and the fact that drivers can extract performance equivalent to the competition, no matter the manpower AMD has or the time it takes, is a testament to how resilient the architecture really is.

>>61995492
Vega is GCN in ISA only.
That and some legacy features like legacy geo pipeline.
Anyway, if the OG Greenland was bigger Polaris - Pajeet did the right choice of canning it in favour of current Vega.

>>61995492
So thats why ''Gaymen drivers for RX Vega are not ready yet''?

>>61995233
>NGG path is currently disabled
No, you're just bad at reading.

The NGG fastpath requires developers to code specifically for it. Maybe in time to come AMD driver teams will also code for primitive geometry functions to use the NGG, but primarily devs need to do the work and implement it into their engines.

Basically, all older games and many released in the near future will not use NGG functions. In the future it's /possible/ that more than not will be covered with driver work and/or developer work, but it's unlikely due to market share.

>>61995534
>The NGG fastpath requires developers to code specifically for it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
WHAT?
https://twitter.com/ryszu/status/896304786307469313

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Vega is like a GP100? (a pure compute card)

>>61994839
>the absolute state of amdrones

>bad facts about amd
>bawww nvidia shill bawww let me shill for amd baww
>amdrone cherry picks facts about amd and gets called out
>bawww shitposting

AMDrones are cancer who ran this board into the ground.

>>61995564
No.
Vega20 would be like GP/V100.
This is more GP102-esque thing, with additional benefit of packed math.

>>61995492
>GCN is the exact opposite of a gaming arch
I guess that is why it's in every console.
Seriously, in AMD place i'd ultimatum the heck out of developers to optimize for amd and threaten firmware changes to make specific games run terrible on consoles.
games developed for consoles first(AMD) but run worse on AMD, oxymoron

things are moving in this direction I guess, sweeney on amd stage is a big sign

>>61995564
These stats are for SMX2 GP100, lmao.

>>61995584
>sweeney on amd stage is a big sign
WHAT?

>>61995586

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11102/nvidia-announces-quadro-gp100

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10222/nvidia-announces-tesla-p100-accelerator-pascal-power-for-hpc

>>61995595
when they announced all the vega stuff, raja gifted him threadripper, it was funny
I'm surprised nobody talks about it, not many people watched presentation I guess.

>>61995667
Raja gave Sweeney Vega Nano though.
Anyway this is big.
Like, BIG, EPIC was always pretty much hostile to ATi/AMD.

>>61995551
Nothing in the Vega whitepaper suggests that the NGG/primitive geometry functionality is simply transparent and works in every case by using basic driver routines.

>The [NGG] path is much more...programmable than before
>wide variety of rendering technologies
>that could benefit
>we can envision even more uses

Instead, and going by previous whitepaper language, the takeaway is that Vega's NGG requires specific optimization for every use case to perform properly.

And we all know the state of AMD's driver development.

>>61995584
The consoles have their own proprietary APIs which are specifically tailored for graphics processing from the beginning.
AMD has to take DX11, DX12 requirements and mold the code to their GCN ISA's capabilities.

It's quite a different beast, but if we're to complain, it's really the fault of Sony and M$FT.

>>61995720
>Nothing in the Vega whitepaper suggests that the NGG/primitive geometry functionality is simply transparent and works in every case by using basic driver routines.
LITERALLY
AMD
DRIVER
DEV
CONFIRMED
THAT
NGG IS TRANSPARENT
Please do NOT shitpost before doing a fact check.

>>61995720
Anon, Rys is the driver dev.
the fucker promised prim shaders to work on launch day though, probably confused builds
so fun things yet to come, not beta vega driver is not out yet, so who knows maybe it will gain 10%

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>>61995738
Go ahead and be a complete ass WRT ignoring the words used.
I did concede and I did stop saying game devs would have to code for the NGG's full capabilities.

Instead, I said that
GOING
BY
PAST
EXPERIENCE
WITH
THE
COMPANY
It's going to be a cold day in hell before we see this new geometry technology fully working in most cases.
>because AMD's driver team is anemic and overloaded

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So what's the difference between GCN and NCU(Vega)? Is NCU the next version of GCN or an entirely new architecture?

Pic: photoshop from a Redditor

>>61995807
>GOING
>BY
>PAST
>EXPERIENCE
>WITH
>THE
>COMPANY
I will never buy nVidia card.
Thank you card-killing drivers!

>>61994495
>i don't know how hardware works: the post

>>61995807
recent 3 years driver team got a lot faster, specially last 8 months
pretty sure they simply ignored gaming card and focused only on pro line drivers, i'd say this october with new crimson iteration we might get another boost

>>61994432

hardware is NOT fine lol.

AMD fucked up.

>>61995863
Hardware is literally fine in every way possible.
Also, reddit spacing.

>>61994756

dude, performance wise it could be on par with a 1080 for sure, but it draws way too much power doing the exact samt thing.

so its not an efficiant card.

>>61995880
You need to go back.

>>61995824
>amd didn't release a driver locking fans at 20% and killing countless gpus
https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/671058196547706880

>>61995894
NVIDIA did it first, and several times.
So no,
>going by past expirience
is a meme.

>>61995880
and again, it's relevant how?
temperatures the same
noise level the same
electricity bill $10 difference per year
potential - who knows how faster it will get

>>61995894
to be fair, it only happened if you used afterburner, still a fuck up
also nvidia murdered laptop displays last year, which is worse than $200 gpu

>>61995869
>Hardware is literally fine in every way possible.
so this is what an amdtard looks like

>>61995931
You need to go back.

>>61995939
back to /r/amd

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>>61995869

Am I triggering you?

Are you

becoming triggered,

by my use of line spaces?

>do
>we

>have
>a

>problem?

>>61995844
>it's the drivers

>>61994495
yes vega a card that is literally fiji on a die shrink sucks on games and its not a driver problem
meanwhile when i post this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-16gb,5128-6.html
not a single hater can explain how a card that is shit because the hardware is shit its literally shitting on nvidia on anything compute

really makes you think

>>61997580
The benches you posted are not compute.
And shitposters gotta shitpost, anon.

>>61994977

Power saver mode. Custom fan profile. And maybe undervekt it a tad.

Should solve it

>>61995869

Ffs man it is not.

Fine would be if it performed on par with a 1080 on a die 50% smaller and consuming half the power it does now.

That would be a good chip.

what good is a uarch design if your driver team can't make good drivers for it. Its a total package baby

>>61997680
you are blaming the hardware while everyone agrees that the cards dont even have proper drivers?
get your illiterate ass out of here and rma your self

>>61994400
Hardware is fine, they just don't have enough driver devs so they launched the card with alpha drivers that have major critical uarch features still disabled.

Primitive shaders is a critical uarch features designed to overcome GCN's 4 triangles per clock limitation, and without it activated Vega is massively front end bottlenecked, meaning you can't even see the full benefits of primitive discard and DSBR later in the rendering pipeline. Until they fix this shit, who fucking knows what Vega is actually capable of in games?

>>61997742
Well you still have baseline perf right now.
It's
>it can't get any worse
situation.

>>61994830
>Nope, the problem is that Vega was build around Professional and general compete market not silly-ass gamying.

False, this is only true in the sense they concentrated on getting the pro drivers finished first. The arch is fine for gaming assuming the uarch features work as designed once actually implemented in gaming drivers.

>>61994400
DESINGATED

>>61994798
>total system under 500
>bad
KEQUE

>>61997712
>wait for drivers
They had 2 years.
kys

>>61997880
>They had 2 years.
2 years....
vega taped out early to mid 2016

>2 years

>>61997712

Are you seriously this retarded? Everyone even adoredtv says it's a powerhog.

Shitty fps/watt. Drivers cannot solve this.

So please go suck your father's clit.

>>61997911
>drivers can't solve that
HAHHAAHHAHAHA

>>61997911
let us talk a bit serious because its clear that you lack any understanding regarding gpu's
currently after a lot of testing on beyond3d(yes im the fag that posted a lot of info about it yesterday since i own 2 of them)
1)there is NO power profile the card once its fired up for 3d it literally fires up EVERYTHING regardless of them being used or not
2)simd pipeline profiles are not there what so ever thus making everything forced to be paraller while they dont need to->insane power draw
3)culling in general is disabled otherwisth with a buffer of 17 triangles we would have seen insane perfomance especially on those shitty nvidia games
4)hbcc is disabled and given how it probably will need specific profiles for each game it will be some times till we see something
5)adored is a youtuber and nothing more
currently most of the stuff IS working on the pro driver thus why its ahead 90% of the time than a p6000...
its a fucking driver problem because amd back then didnt had money to throw on 2 teams to develop at the same time they couldnt experiment with the older cards and at the same time develop the new shit for vega
if amd fails with navi (assuming that they DO have money now to throw at it ) i guess they will just leave from the gaming market all together

>>61997880
They didn't have two years and they didn't have enough driver devs to finish the pro drivers and the gaming drivers at the same time. They chose to prioritize getting the pro drivers done first, which is why Vega FE trades blows with a P6000 in pro 3D rendering applications already.

>>61997979

OK fair points. I'm not saying drivers won't increase performance. And let's say they do. You will maybe see 25% increase overall. Tops. It's still a power hungry card non the less.

550watts is a bit much on turbo.

>>61997911
>Drivers cannot solve this
Actually they can, since one of Vega's major uarch features which would simultaneously increase performance in gaming and reduce power wasted on processing primitives and their attributes that would be subsequently discarded anyway isn't working yet in gaming drivers.

If they can get primitive shaders to work like they claim in the white paper, Vega will have nothing to worry about in perf/watt terms once they actually get the drivers out of fucking half finished alpha stage.

>>61997979
Can you run Kanter's trianglebin test and capture it on video?

>>61998019
>25%
That's a pretty pessimistic guess.

>>61994830
Which is why navi is so fucked compared to volta.

>>61998019
we know that the hbcc as per tomb raider can give at least a bump of +30% on the minimums alone
tile based rast is an unknown factor since we dont know how well it runs..
>>61998050
in 2 days i will run more shit and post it here
https://forum.beyond3d.com/forums/architecture-and-products.38/
make a list of what you want

>>61998099
Hey, thanks for your contributions on B3D, I've actually been learning a lot from there. It's only thanks to that thread I now have some fucking clue as to what exactly primitive shaders are supposed to do, and why it's such a big deal.

>>61995880
Except it beats the 1080 in most casea and only draws 10-20% more power. Literally less than $10 a year when run at max 24x7x365.

>>61998019
>And let's say they do. You will maybe see 25% increase overall
>25%
>25%
It will rape the Titan lol.

An you know it's getting better because the architecture is new and the drivers are raw.

Right now it's better than the 1080 from the start. It will pull way ahead given some time.

The 480 was overall weaker than the 1060 at launch, now it shits on 1060 all across the board.

>>61998099
>tile based rast is an unknown factor since we dont know how well it runs..
According to AMD it gave 30% bw savings on average with 10% boost in average FPS.
>>61998118
Prim shaders are nice - more culling and less L2$ flushes - all in one neat package.
Kudos to Pajeet and his team for that.

>>61998185
>It will rape the Titan lol.
Not from the get-go.
It's a raw gem in dire need of polishing.
Look, initial estimates for NGG in January were 11tris/clock, now it's 17tris/clock.
The magick of drivers.

>>61998192
>According to AMD it gave 30% bw savings on average with 10% boost in average FPS.
yes this was when they posted the 11 triangles number
but on their whitepaper they state they do have a buffer for 17..
and if they manage to cull 17 per clock this is more like 60%

>>61998019
>550watts is a bit much on turbo.
550 watts total system consumption is FUCKING NOTHING lol.

Most faggots in here get 550 PSU for their pentium + 1050ti anyway.

>>61997742
>Please buy our cards
>We know they suck now
>But just think about all the things we can add to it later
Btw once you but there is no reason for them to improve vega. They are focusing on navi at this point.

>>61997742
>Primitive shaders is a critical uarch features
Primitive shader and rapid packed math both require implementation on the gamedev side.
Most devs will just say "fuck it, we have no time for that" unless AMD pays them.

>>61998229
Hardware dudes =/= software dudes.
Vega passed the tapeout looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ago.
>>61998248
>another retard that shitposts before the fact checking
https://twitter.com/ryszu/status/896304786307469313

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>>61998254
>looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

>>61998211
No, that one is recent rumber AFAIK.
>>61998273
By
>looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
I mean it was fucking ages ago.
Mid to late 2016. October is the latest date for possible Vega10 tapeout.

>>61998286
i havent seen that post claiming it after the white paper got released

>>61998363
It's buried somewhere deep in the endnotes of SIGGRAPH Vega slide deck.
I don't remember where.

>>61998380
yes it was talking based on the number they provided and as far as we knew it was 11 till 4 days ago that the whitepaper claimed 17

>>61998118
Can you link to the thread if it's still archieved? I've missed it but it sounds like a good learning opportunity to me.

>>61995822
Nice it now is tailored to use more power

>>61998408
everything on the link i provided is worth reading
even more so the navi thread

>>61998229
>Buy Vega plz
>Will age like wine
>Will be like 1080ti in 2020
>Just wait ®

>>61998408
Most Vega-related threads are pure shitposting.
Skimming through shit to find valuable info is hard.
But there was like three SSG threads.
These were nice.
Of excellent quality.

>>61998425
>>61998451
Will read
Thanks

>>61994437
I find it hilarious how these same AMDrones would shit on Nvidia or Intel but when the same scenario applies to them it does not count.

Shills gonna shill.

>>61998466
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61667604/
This is the best one.

>>61998408
If you start on page 183 of the Vega rumors thread you'll get an excellent explanation of what Vega's primitive shader is supposed to do and how it supposed to achieve it. It's quite an elegant approach to sidestepping GCN's previous tendency to front end bottleneck on triangles.

>>61998488
amdfags are the muslims of techworld

>>61998531
no wonder why nvidia fags are literally on a terrorist list

>>61998523
Thanks for the specific page number. Was searching quite a bit already.

>>61998488
>>61998531
AMDfags are the leftards of the techworld

GPU threads are so nice without shitposting.

>>61995280

It is extremely volatile and winning on borrowed time.

iGPUs are future for mainstream market. Vega and Navi are all about this. Nvidia cannot really do anything about it due to lacking x86 license so they cannot make a SoC for x86 market.

Mid-range market is where the lion share of revenue of "gayming" market, once the normies and nu-gaymers stop buying discrete cards that well still stop to dry up. Nvidia even knows this which is why they have been trying to move away from gaming as their bread and butter since Fermi.

>>61999004
GPGPU is even more niche than gaymen.
And considering that nvidia fails to make even a good ARM SoC (something that random chinks with budget worth of two sandwiches can do), they are on borrowed time. More or less.
I sincerely hope their automotive business will be nice and profitable.

>>61995894
This killed my 7850, and several rma replacements. Eventually Msi sent me a 270x saying they were out of 7850s. I clean installed drivers and then realized what was happening. Worked out great for me, and got a nice performance boost.

Hopefully the new drivers fix the missing featuress, like hbcc, primitive shaders, and power management. Forget the Vega64, the 56 is looking really good. When driver performance updates hit the 56 is going to be much closer to the 1080.

>>61999227
>closer
It will rape 1080.
NGG path gives Vega close to 4 times the triangle throughtput.
That's, duh, massive.

>>61999227
I'm not quite optimistic as RTG may need a lot of thew time to mess with the drivers to make primitive shaders working. And don't forget about the prices.

>>61999331
It'll be ready for the next major Crimson update (October) at worst.
Several weeks at best.

>>61994400
I agree in that GlobalFoundries is not good, but this doesn't excuse Vega. CCN should have died with Polaris.

>>61999370
What's fucking wrong with GCN?

>>61999258
>>61999331
I meant the initial performance driver coming up. I am actually doubting that they can go from 4 to 17 with the next update and enable all the uarch features. They need more time, but it will be piece by piece.

>>61999004
Stop posting this. iGpus are already the lions share. Anyone who does light gaming or computations/rendering will get a discrete gpu.

>>61999347
As a Linux user I just hope the open-source driver team can make progress faster to let me see the effect, because I'm really on a verge of pulling the trigger to buy a GTX1080 for my gaming need in 2 years.
Also I'm a bit worried that AIB RX Vega 56 will be eventually priced as AIB GTX 1080.

>>61999421
>Also I'm a bit worried that AIB RX Vega 56 will be eventually priced as AIB GTX 1080.
Don't worry, AMD will do the round of price cuts in preparation of Volta.
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/open-source-amd-linux/969834-more-benchmarks-showing-how-gallium3d-with-rx-vega-smacks-amdgpu-pro-s-opengl-proprietary-driver/page4
>For both DSBR and NGG/PS I expect we will follow the Windows team's efforts, while I expect HBCC on Linux will get worked on independently of Windows efforts.
So, basically everything but HBCC will be enabled soon after Windows implementation will be ready.

>>61999410

Nvidia's current fiscal figures would disagree with that assessment. They are still making billions on discrete gayming cards. They are concerned that not in so distant future that could easily change into a small niche only earning a fraction of that once the normies and nu-gaymer have no need for gayming discrete cards.

>>61999347
It's supposed to be working at least somewhat in the 17.320 driver, anyone know when that one is supposed to hit release?

>>61999692
.320 part implies it's some internal testing branch.
Aka wait. Even if it works, QC takes time.

>>61999500
Nvidia does not and cannot make iGpus. Of course they are trying to branch out. They are dominating with 80-20 market share (maybe higher or lower). They have no where else to grow. Normies have never bought discrete gpus, and nu-gaymers buy prebuilts (with Nvidia inside).

>>61999744
>Nvidia does not and cannot make iGpus.
Well they can (Tegra it is).
It's just ARM is useless for desktop and we do not talk about Denver.

>>61999759
I thought it was a given we were talking x86. Isn't Tegra failing anyway?

>>61999841
>Isn't Tegra failing anyway?
Yes.
Dead in mobile, about to be KIA (Kelled in action) in automotive.

>>61995914
Proof?

>>61999447
>pls pls pls pls buy pls
Lmao fuck off

>>62000072
(You), my friend.

>>61998217
Jesus what's wrong with you AMDrones?
Before when intel shit was pulling 400+ watts of full system usage it was an issue but now with vega it's okie dokie

Fucking grow up seriously

>>62000087
XD you sure showed me

>>62000127
>intel shit was pulling 400+ watts of full system usage
IT WAS PULLING THIS MUCH WATTAGE THROUGH THE MOTHERFUCKING SOCKET
SOCKET
AND YOU CANT EVEN COOL IT PROPERLY DUE TO JIZZ

>>62000155
Same shit kid

Vega is a housefire, and Edison is going to be upset with you for buying one. Grow up, you guys got fucked over this time. Take the L like an adult and stop crying on Chinese finger trap boards

>>62000127
It's not ok. I say this with an AMD bias in mind since they are more ethical in business practises.

I'm more interrested in the reason why it's acting like this, what went wrong, how does architecture play into this, how do drivers play into this and more. It's a nice learning opportunity while also allowing us to judge the leftover potential of the cards.

For anyone interested in the Vega architecture (including certain features that are currently disabled in the current driver). See the link below.

http://radeon.com/_downloads/vega-whitepaper-11.6.17.pdf

Shitposters need not reply (but they will anyhow).

>>62000230
>special features

>>62000251
Nothing really special, just packed math, tiling and a very elaborate way to cure GCN's inherent geometry throughtput.

>>62000220
>they are more ethical
They sandbagged vega for 2 years, made it more expensive after MSRP, with higher power consumption and half of the drivers not working

>>62000281
>wait for special features plz trust us I know we had a few years but just plz trust

>>62000288
We'll see how it pans out in the next two months or so. Yes more waiting. But until then we cannot say it's been an absolute failure. At least not in terms of sales figures.

>>62000302
>shitposts loudly

>>62000288
They didn't bribe people to not buy Intel
They didn't take open source techniques from Nvidia just to rerelease it in their own proprietary format continuesly

Shall I continue?

>>62000319
That was pretty quite buddy, but I understand noises can seem so loud when you're 10

>>62000328
Yeah go on with more BS

>>62000288
That's not a matter of lack of ethics, that's a matter of RTG having a lack of resources while AMD threw everything at the CPU division.

That RTG managed to come up with something as theoretically brilliant as the Vega uarch while so underfunded is pretty amazing, they just need to actually fucking finish the drivers now. If they get primitive shaders to work like they outline in the white paper, Vega will sell itself to gamers without any difficulties.

>>62000414
It's already selling without any difficulties.
Just try to find one that is reasonably fucking priced.

They need to fix MSAA first

>>62000414
It's pretty unethical
>>62000426
>make 12
>all gone
>WOOOOOWW OMG
Miners

>>62000442
>Miners
Miners won't touch Vega just like they don't touch 1080 or 1080ti.

>>62000364
Of course it's bs
Intel absolutely didn't get fined $1.45 billion for their absolutely ethical business practices :^)
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/184323-intel-stuck-with-1-45-billion-fine-in-europe-for-unfair-and-damaging-practices-against-amd

>>62000460
Miners are buying vega
Good hash rate

>>62000495
Bad MH/watt though.
580 or 1070 are still better.

>>62000463
And AMD didn't get fined for fake cores :^)

>>62000511
>fake cores
What?

>>62000503
You know it's fucked when an R9 290 for $170 can get the same perfomance of an RX 580.

>>62000288
Well, Vega was not meant primarily for gaming, so how does that matter? They were designed for the enterprise World, not for gamers. Gaming market doesn't need HBM ATM. Everything in this GPU interation is for Professional Applications... It Can obviously game, AMD relaunched the product for the "gaming" market to profit from the existing production Line, but the focus of AMD with Ryzen and Vega is the Enterprise World.

>>62000460
>miners knowing anything about what they're doing
90% of miners are retards chasing a get rich quick scheme. The only thing they know for certain is "use GPU to make money without working."
The rumor of Vega being good at mining is enough to bring in the vast majority of them even when it isn't true.

>>62000536
At 1.5x the power consumption.
And no, it won't get the same performance as 580.
>>62000545
It's literally designed for anything 3D, including gaymen.
Packed math and HBCC are just nice additions.

>>62000535
He's aiming for the shared fpu in the fx line of cpu's which I'll grant him half a point for since I've still never seen factual evidence for a core needing an fpu for itself to be defined a core.

I'd say it was more confusing marketing in my eyes.

>>62000569
>>62000535
I'd say intel was just being confusing
They were making harmless donations to companies no big deal

>>62000555
The RX 580 is a refresh of the 480.
The 480 has slightly less perfomance (%1-%3) than the R9 390, which by itself is a refresh of the R9 290.

>>62000607
It's still cheaper (MSRP-wise) and more "efficient".

>>62000600
>Confusing marketing is of course the same as breaking the law

>>62000633
Just nice little donations man what's the big deal
Team Blue+

>>62000671
Nice little donation with the size of Dell's entire quarterly revenue?
Rabbi this is funny.

>>62000686
Yeah a nice little friendly donation, not their fault dell is poor
Such a nice donation

>>62000726
Can i have such donations?

>>62000743
Ask politely next sermon

Will Vega get a response to fix power consumption? If not might as well wait for Navi and mcm

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>pic related triggered amdfags

>>62001135
>Will Vega get a response to fix power consumption?
What do you mean by that?
4k ALUs will be powerhungry no matter what.
What matters is perf/watt (and perf/ALU), Vega currently lacks that due to choking frontend.
>>62001182
Man the jacketman is getting old.

>>62001182
>only 14 teslas do exist

>>62001207
Well, that's about as much as you can make given the V100 size and resulting 0.000000000000017% yield.

>>62001195
Sigh I guess we will play the waiting game

>>61994432
Hardware is not good. We will not see GCN improvements over time. Remember 7970? That was godlike GPU hardware wise. It kicked ass >3 years and got 25+ performance increase. Now see fury that is Vega granddaddy? No such thing. Face is Raja is a hack.

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>>62001637
Why the fuck do you shitpost before reading the fucking thread?
>Face is Raja is a hack.
*blocks your path*

Well, according to this: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Vega-GPU-Architecture-Preview-Redesigned-Memory-Architecture/Primitive-Sh
all the people hoping new drivers with enabled primitive shaders will boost performance by a significant margin can stop hoping and buy a GTX 1080 instead.

>as AMD told it to me, “with the right knowledge” you can discard game based primitives at an incredible rate. This right knowledge though is the crucial component – it is something that has to be coded for directly and isn’t something that AMD or Vega will be able to do behind the scenes.

Given AMD's abysmal market share, and the miniscule percentage of that market share which Vega makes up, it's highly unlikely that anybody will go to the trouble of optimising their engines for an absolute niche product.

Vega is dead.

>>62001681
https://twitter.com/ryszu/status/896304786307469313
You are literally the third retard today that shitposts without doing a fact check.

>>62000435
it's broken only x4 and more as far as I know, who needs more than x2?

>>62000503
not really, powersaver setting vega is flat 200w=rx580

>>62001699
That's even worse. If it were up to devs to implement it at least a tiny amount might still do it (some of AMD's partners). If it's left to their driver team it'll never work in this GPUs lifetime.

>>62001760
Oh, hungry for (You)s?

>>62001182
>actual real 1.7% yields
>has to give them away because nobody is willing to pay $18,000-$20,000 for one
>will be rendered obsolete by AI ASICs within a year

>>62001797
>investing so heavily into meme learning where almost every commiefornian is about to launch their own unique donutsteel meme learning startup
I dont understand nVidia.
They want to SGI themselves?

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>>62001797
more likely by project 47, sad thing AMD stole Nvidia idea for fuckhuge compute box and made it into epychuge compute rack

>>62001827
Nah, AMD needs dedicated ML hardware to finally get a foothold in ML market.
But yes P47 is fucking A W E S O M E.
Now stuff them with FP64 Vegas and look at HPC dudes having the biggest boner of their lives.

>>62001699
If it's all done by the driver and it promises to give huge performance gains, then why the fuck didn't AMD make sure to have this feature working when their card launched?

Are they pants on head retarded?

>>62001847
the demoed it for rendering not learning
so one petaflop rack can replace machines in the studio, or so they say
cloud production so to speak

Nvidia gone way too deep into deep learning, asics slowly replacing GPU and AMD slowly nudging into rendering game, will we witness downfall of the colossus next 5-7 years?

>>62001890
>Are they pants on head retarded?
Welcome to ATi!
Pajeet brought some traditions back it seems.
>If it's all done by the driver and it promises to give huge performance gains, then why the fuck didn't AMD make sure to have this feature working when their card launched?
Lets just say the focused a little bit TOO much on Radeon Pro.
Like a little.

>>62001913
No

>>62001890
because they don't have billions to throw, features work in pro applications
just like with zen - jack of all trades, they had to focus on pro drivers

>>62001913
>will we witness downfall of the colossus next 5-7 years?
I dont think Jensen is dumb enough to SGI (or 3dfx) his own company.
Also, just look at this damage control!
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-quadro-virtual-data-center-workstation-software-turns-tesla-gpu-servers-into-powerful-workstations

>>62001946
I don't mean the way of 3dfx, nobody wants that, but market parity would be nice.

>>62001970
Right now nVidia is doing the same shit that killed 3dfx.
They are focusing TOO much on one single thing - meme fucking learning.

>>62001994
I thought NVIDIA prepared Volta also for HPC. Are they really going THAT kind of deep?

>>62001195
chocking front end..

this isnt fiji it has wider pipelines and it can feed the triangles just fine
there is absolutely no driver atm that can actually utilise it THAT is the problem
because amd is getting the job from the devs hand to its own and that is a bit tricky

>>62002041
They did, it has 1/2 FP64.
But we've yet to see FP64 Vega.
>>62002047
It's literally choking full of tris.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-Vega-64-Grafikkarte-266623/Tests/Benchmark-Preis-Release-1235445/3/

>>62001994
glide=gimpworks/cuda
gsync=sgi
and you can see how industry getting tired of this shit

>>62002041
tensor cores is pure meme learning feature and waste of die space, it has no other real use just like avx 512 on intel for niche of the niche application

>>62002093
as i have said already here >>61997979

nothing WORKS as intented YET the card when it comes to games it doesnt do its job because the drivers are a pile of shit

>>62001994
Nvidia had money to build special deep learning chips,HPC chips,Graphic chips and compute chips.

>>62002041
Faggots are literally wasting space on meme shit instead of throwing moar ALUs.
V100 is funny.

>>62002174
No, they don't. V100 is supposed to serve both HPC and ML, the rest are gaymen/visualisation.
Just like Vega10/11/12 and Vega20.

>>62002175
I think they won't be able to boast about perf/watt improvement if they make 800mm of ALUs

>>62002098
tensor cores is literally cuda cores with just a single added ISA for AI
literally A SINGLE FUCKING ISA and they turned it into a whole new meme core

>>62002213
>boasting about perf/watt while licking IBM's boots and shilling POWER9
I love nVidia.

>>62002215
google made them first, anon
google tensor asics are faster and consumer x10 less power
tensor is a math term, look it up

>>62002215
They also need separate FP64 ALUs.
Fermi-likes are pretty inflexible.

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>>62001182
:3

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>>62002286

>>62002298
Vega is DOA, even the P100 and the GP100 are probably faster on computer.

>>62002324
P100 and GP100 are the same chip.
And no, Vega10 is much faster than GP100 in FP16/FP32.
Vega20 will finish the deal with FP64.

>>62002261
i know i was saying how they try to turn such a insignificant add on as the mother of all the pr

>>62002324
let's not throw gp100 on computers to space

>>62002346
>Vega10 is much faster than GP100 in FP16/FP32.

sauce

>>62002354
Well, it's not insignificant.
It makes GV100 competitive with ASICs.
In performance, that is.
Definitely not in price or perf/watt.

>>62002324
It's hilarious when NVidya shills try and talk shit about compute cards like they have any clue what they're talking about. Stick to muh vidyagaems, kid.

>>62002298
Pfff, the V100 is faster

>>62002379
Literally whitepapers you mouthbreathing retard.
It's 12.5/25 for Vega10 and 10.6/21.3 for GP100.

>>62002383
hence why its insignificant
its like trying to run memeavx512 on gpu's at high clocks

>>62002394
At $18-20k a pop!
Fucking wonderful I can't wait to buy them all.
Oh wait, no EPYC included?

>>62002402
>TFLOPS

These numbers mean NOTHING, look Pascal vs Vega and Maxwell vs Fiji TFLOPS...

>>62002501
This is the most elaborate bait I've ever seen.
Good job anon!

>>61994432
Exactly, people think Nvidia is vastly more advanced hardware wise but they simply have better on-site engineers optimising games.
Just look at the compute performance of AMD cards, even r9 had an edge. There's a reason people use Radeon for mining and Nvidia for playing.

In terms of buying a graphics card for gaming I still think it's worth comparing all your options, there's still situations where it makes sense to go AMD.

>>62002501
we are talking about fp16/32 perfomance idiot numbers DO mean everything

>>62002529
No, hand-picked optimizations won't cure inherent bottlenecks of Fiji.

>>62002346
>And no, Vega10 is much faster than GP100 in FP16/FP32.
Yea, when it can keep it fed. Which it can't even in most openCL tasks. The only place it wins is Blender GPU rendering because AMD basically latched onto the Blender foundation like a tick and has been trying to get them to optimize it for GCN as much as possible.

Theoretical horse power means nothing when you can actually translate that to actual performance

>>62002535
>>62002522
But he is 100%, these numbers mean nothing IRL...

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>>62002535
>>62002522
kys

>>62002587
Building ecosystem basically from scratch takes time, anon.
At least almost everything supports or about to support Radeon ProRender.

>>62002587
>you can't actually translate that to actual performance
Fixed

AMD"s openCL implementation has been a point of contentious for years among developers and they're barely fixing the issues. It's a joke.

>>62002587
prettyyyyy surre vega is shitting on nvidia
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-16gb,5128-6.html

>>62002596
he is 100% right*

TFLOPS is a meme

>>62002597
>>62002621
RMA your self

>>62002611
Let's just say AMD did not care about words like ecosystem before Pajeet came back.
>>62002621
That's not compute.

>>62002553
Sure, but historically AMD has suffered in game optimization. Meanwhile Nvidia was stuffing games full of unnecessary tesselation.

>>62002621
GP100 =/= GP102 amdrone and that's not compute.

>>62002609
Yea problem is Nvidia basically arrived late to the show, after taking over 99% of the GPGPU market with CUDA, and then beat AMD in the race to build an openCL ecosystem. I don't even know what you're trying to do defending AMD. They're a historically LAZY company that doesn't listen to their users. You should be berating them on any developer forum and reddit so they pull their fucking heads out of their asses.

>>62002658
Because historically GCN (before Vega) was pretty limited in chewing geometry.
There's more to GPUs than simply shader math.

>>62002621
State of AMD fanboys...

>>62002650
>>62002668
every single opencl path on amd uses FFT
>thats not compute cant be more retarded than this

>>62002680
As I said, AMD is actively building the ecosystem right now.
The market would tolerate proprietary horseshit only for so long. See SGI or 3dfx.

>>62002658
Source: look at this ridiculous wireframe from a concrete barrier in Crysis 2, it killed AMD cards.

>>62002729
Well I hope you're right.

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>>62002760
Image didn't upload

>>62002680
>I don't even know what you're trying to do defending AMD.
because he's a shill

>>62002780
I know about that.
AMD cards before Vega were historically mediocre as geometry compared to Fermi-likes with their flexible pipeline.
That's not the case for Vega, it's EVEN MORE FLEXIBLE than nvidia's model.
Though it requires pretty elaborate driver effort.

>>62002729
>The market would tolerate proprietary horseshit only for so long. See SGI or 3dfx.
The GPU compute bubble will burst before they're finished.

ASICS are better at almost everything.

>>62002760
a more recent source
project cars and while they already knew months before release and the shitstorm it had they never changed it at all

>>62002813
Well HPC still exists. And GCN IS SO FUCKING OTHERWORDLY GOOD AT BREEDING FP64 MONSTROSITIES ITS ALMOST SILLY.

>>62002760
Kek I remember trying that tesselation thing.
The bottles and objects remained hexagonal, but it rounded the corners on the buildings for some reason.

>>62002716
>GP100 = GP102

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>>62002810
Nvidia had far better tesselation back when I had my 290x, look at shit like Heaven benchmark, with full tesselation the ground looks fucking retarded, they knew they had an edge and the pushed it as hard as possible.

Who would want to walk on this?

>>62002875
you are implying that they are different uarches?
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
sorry for that but
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no wonder nvidia has such a mindshare people actually believe they have introduced something new since maxwell

>>62002880
Well of course NVIDIA would have better better tesselatuon than Hawaii.
It's 4 tesselation blocks (1 per shader engine for Hawaii) versus A WHOLE LOT (each SMX/SMM has a Polymorph Engine attached to it. It handles tesselation.).
Vega is a whole other beast.

>>62002880
moderate one is actually how stone roads are, walked on one it's not the best walking experience let em tell you

>>62002922
Well technically Pascal finally introduced unified memory (like 5 years too late but whatever).
And that's about it I guess.

>>62002941
>unified memory
and that is just microcode update nothing on hardware wise

>>62002922
The GP102 (Titan Xp, Titan X pascal, P6000 and 1080ti) are not cumpute cards.

The GP100 (Quadro GP100, Tesla P100) have 16GB of HBM2 with more FP32/64 compute core and ''less FP16 vydia core''

>>62003011
>FP32
>GPGPU
Also please google what Tesla P40 is.
Yes, GP102 is also for compute.

>>62003011
let me correct you better
consumers cards are cut down versions of the enterprise cards
titan line is literally a compute card with a lot of stuff disabled
source? the new nvidia driver that magically gave titan line 300% more perfomance on some programs
and magically no one tested its tdp with the new driver cause nvidia will have a hard time explaing why its sky rocketed

>>62001637
Vega is a very different beast from previous GCN incarnations. It has quite a few major performance optimizations (FP16, tile based rasterization, primitive shaders) that, if implemented correctly, should increase per clock, per cluster performance compared to previous GCN incarnations pretty dramatically unless there were to be any major optimization regressions.

I think that what happened was that Vega was rushed onto the market before the gaming driver team could fully optimize their drivers for the Vega architecture.

>>62003040
GP100 is better on compute than GP102 Jesus Christ

>>62003063
New driver just added some software profiles.
No, power consumption did not skyrocket.
It's just Titan is no longer the JUST card.

>>62003072
It's better at FP16/64.
It's worse at FP32/int8/int16.

>>62003063
>source? the new nvidia driver that magically gave titan line 300% more perfomance on some programs

Pro drivers for applications = Compute

We all know the GP6000 and the Titan Xp are the same chip. I talk about the P100 with HBM2.

>>62003098
This is exactly my point.

>>62003107
P6000*

>>62003124
You said GP102 is not a compute chip.
It is one.

>>62003107
>Pro drivers for applications = Compute
=/=*

fucking hell

>>62003080
"profiles"
it literally activated the dormant cuda cores for specific applications
>>62003107
if you remove the nvlink and hbm2 what you have?
thats right a big ass gp

>>62003139
Every cards can compute, but GP102 are more for gaymen and 3D aps

>>62003170
GP102 is also for inference.
>>62003168
There's no "dormant SPs". It's still 1/64 FP16 and 1/64 FP64.

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>>62003168
>if you remove the nvlink and hbm2 what you have?

Not the same FP16-32-64 ratio than the GP102

>>62003213
Maxwell-likes are WIIIIIIIIDE.

>>62003197
lets not play with words please cuda core perf vs actualy cuda core count is totally different

>>62000550
I HOPE GIBBO DIES IN A FIRE

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Watching AMD fans do mental gymnastics to justify Vega is hilarious.

>>62003453
The eternal Anglo strikes again.

>>62003456
not like either side can afford those cards.

Oh I'm laffin'

http://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Graphics-Display-Monitor-Outputs/dp/B074DK6NHQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1503257263&sr=1-4&keywords=rx+vega

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>>62003810
not better in USA

>>62003810
>>62004034
somebody tell them that according to /g/ amdrones it's a great deal and they should just wait for drivers

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>>62004077
kek

Is this the thread we ignore the failures of Vega and try to talk about the niche use cases it is good at?

>>62004565
nobody denying price failure, I can't fathom AMD being retarded to increase price- the whole idea of that rumor started by flaming brit is stupid
prices will fall down to msrp in a week or two because nobody will be buying the thing

point is hardware has a HUGE room to grow, not just "we will optimize for a game a bit" , no it's more like " we will make all games run 30% faster"

https://twitter.com/JayzTwoCents/status/899321072960512000

>I've been thinking about this @AMD Vega price increase and the position they put us reviewers in... I no longer recommend Radeon.

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

It's amazing how many AMD threads start with it's not AMD's that blah blah blah.

>>62004885
AMD is the stone that the builder refused
AMD is the visual, the inspiration
That made Lady sing the blues

AMD is the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark that lights the dark
So that you can know your left from your right

AMD is the ballot in your box, the bullet in the gun
The inner glow that lets you know to call your brother son
The story that just begun, the promise of what's to come
And I'mma remain a soldier till the war is won

>>62004812
Let's hope this gets Raja fired.

>>62004961
Yes Pajeet deserves a turn.

Not defending the card but I'm actually curious to how it will defend in a couple of months.