Would it be a stupid idea to build my own server at my house

Nope, I have done it. Keep in mind:

1) Power usage
2) Noise

>>61946939
no. what'd be stupid is buying old rack hardware to do it. at least until you're advanced enough to need a managed switch or something. you can learn a lot with VMs and a few spare generic desktops.

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If you want, go for it.

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Well I bought one of these for cheap of eBay. My original idea was to make it into a pfsence router but I might want to uses it for something different but I cannot think of anything yet.

>not having a stack of old laptops as a server

>>61946939
You don't need a big x86 server. Buy a small Raspberry Pi. You'll have pretty much the same experience, but save on power and noise.

I have one and it's been pretty useful.

>>61947109
You will also learn to compile from sources - some projects do not provide binary packages for arm.

What would you be trying to learn? I have a half-rack of Linux servers in a colo that I haven't been in the physical presence of for a couple of years now. I also have a Mac mini server at home that I do many of the same things on - log in, run some unix commands, configure some Dev apps, etc.

>>61946939

No not at all. Just start small and cheap.

My current setup:
Asrock AD2550-ITX, 2GB RAM
2 x 3TB HDD in RAID-1

The build is passively cooled. It runs:

Debian Jessie
SAMBA
Nextcloud
Webserver
OpenVPN
Transmission
Spotify connect
Duplicity (remote backups to co-worker)
KSP server
Etc...

>>61946948
keep in mind:
Power usage (very important)
Noise (lesser important)
Connection speed/stability

>>61946939
Buy raspberries, install debian, learn with that.

>>61947399

Is Spotify connect still a thing?

>>61947712

I'm not using it a lot but the idea is that I control the spotify instance on my NAS from my phone. My NAS streams its audio to a raspberry pi connected to an amplifier in the living room over pulse audio. Big draw back is that my gf cannot do shit with this because spotify cannot cope with multiple accounts.

>>61947758

Why not use mopidy on the pi for that?

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How is this list of hardware for a first time home server?

Gonna be fucking around with docker mostly

>>61947802
Kinda expensive really.

>>61947784
I did but controlling spotify from mopidy sucked for me.

>>61947825

Kinda. The drives and the ssd take up almost half, and the sdd is honestly optional. The processor is just great for the price, as I am probably going to be using it as a plex server. Drives are the cheapest I can get, somewhat reliable.

PSU is so that I don't have to mess about with picoPSU's, as this particular model has godlike efficiency at low power

Looking at refurb dell and HP servers, it seems the trade in is always power efficiency and performance.

>>61947825
well, he is buying new

>>61947802

What RAID level are you planning to use?

>>61947802
start with just one 3tb drive, you can get a better priced psu

>>61947966

>start with just one 3tb drive

No redundancy. Just no.

>>61946939
depends where you put it. servers are loud as fuck. don't think about putting it anywhere near people.

other than that: it's fun.

>>61947802
>zoveel betalen voor een server
>niet gewoon een VPS huren
>jij

>>61947199
>learn to compile from sources
is this what kids struggle with nowadays? sad.

No, there's no reason to do that because everything already moved to the Cloud.

>>61946958
I just wanna know how did you manage to put Raspberries into Sun servers

>>61947958
Raid 10 if I'm doing ZFS (existing 3tb drive), but I might just follow the linuxserver.io build with mergerFS and snapraid. My backup situation is good anyhow.

>>61947958
This one was specifically picked for efficiency, this build is focused on that.

>>61947974
I could if I just start with media, but I not that poor anyway. Backup situation for important data is good.

>>61947997
Voor een media-server met kankerveel opslag is een vps kankerduur, zeker met plex. Maar een goede deal kijk ik altijd naar.

How much power usage can increase?
Not OP. I was thinking to make my home server, but would I pay less for power usage than just renting?

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>>61947802
>600 yuro-bucks

Just buy a used optiplex off ebay for €100

>>61948148

Already have one, not powerful enough for plex. Using it for Ovpn and PiHole

Got it for free at some internship actually

>>61948148
>>61948169


Also doesn't include the drive capacity, so that would still be 350 ish

>>61948191
get a hp gen8, buy a 1260L off ebay and cram it full of drives. Will set you back almost the same.

>>61948133
Depends on what you're planning to get. A power efficient modern-ish consumer desktop/laptop? Sure, it'll be cheaper.

A rack of old-ish rack servers? It'll be very loud and use a fuck ton of power. It probably won't pay off.

That is if you can actually do what you're planning to do on a VPS.

>>61948008
Actually, I'm learning embedded linux with OpenWRT, the cross-compilation environment is not that intuitive at first. Especially when it comes to dependencies. Compiling for another architecture is not innate...

>>61947014
Why not just do the pfsense router? It's pretty cool.

>>61946939
no, i actually help a building contractor friend out with server rooms for hes builds, you show a normie that a tablet can run there AC, lighting, media centre, whatever plus all there desktop setups running from a server they think their fuckin Neo and buy that shit up like no ones buisness.

>>61949117
Because according to some /g/uy said pfsence is moving to force AES encryption to it which the e8400 doesn't support so I will need to upgrade to an old HP or Dell sandy bridge box of eBay.

>>61949245
It quite possibly could, but do a bit of research yourself. Take everything you hear on here with a grain of salt.

If I ever get my hands on a extra PC I am going to set it up with pfsense. I want to get rid of my Comcast shit.

>>61946939
currently running 3 hosts but heres my whole setup

pfSense router with VLANS
Cisco 3560G
Dell R415 with 2xOpteron 4334 and 48GB RAM
>this runs Ubuntu 16.04.3 for my game servers
Whitebox running Xeon E3-1321v3 with 24GB RAM
>WS2008R2 for Plex, Sonarr, Radarr, QBT, PlexPy, Ombi
Supermicro Whitebox running 1xOpteron 6272 and 64GB RAM
>runs ESXi for all my VM's (http,https,ftp, snmp, intranet, etc)

It's a hell of a lot of fun and it's awesome to self host.

>>61947802
dude you can get a decent used R710 for that kind of money

>>61948008
long gone are the days of slackware 3.x

>>61949245
yeah once 2.5 drops the current version is still on 2.3.4

>>61946939You need a different kind of ISP for running your server from home, at least here you do.

>>61946939
Just create a VM network.

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>>61948020
they were originally cobalt raq3s with dead motherboards - removed the motherboards, replaced the leds and lcds, rewired all the buttons and interfaced them to pis gpio - kept the psu and tapped the 5v line for power, lick of spray paint and some stickers

originally plan was to put the whole cluster in there but never panned out.

>>61947802
Get a used server instead of consumer hardware. If you want to practice it has a lot of handy shit like networked managed BIOS and console jack.

>>61949549
>slackware
Gentoo is the one with the "compile from source", schlongware "only" requires you to do a slackbuild script to translate the needed .deb packages to txz's

>>61949617
What stuff do you use your pi's for? I use mine for a VPN and a ZNC bouncer

>>61946939

nope, and in the long run would be cheaper than renting out VPS space for deployment of personal apps.

>>61949617

Wow that actually... really fucking neat. GG, anon.

>>61946939
Depends on how much money you want to burn. Hardware, electricity, and cooling, noise, etc.

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>>61949863
at the moment there is just the two in the 1us - Chen is print server and monitors the ups letting all the other servers know if there is an outage and they need to shutdown gracefully - Tewi is internal web server and ftp gateway for my sister

just put the cluster in the server cupboard the other day - currently its a bare docker swarm - coming up with ideas for stuff to put on it

>>61949617
impressive but what are they doing?

>>61950110
and of course you answer my question like a minute before i post

>>61949245
I'm pretty sure you don't actually need AES acceleration, it'll just be slower.

>>61950093
I have no idea how to into cluster. Generally how hard is it to do? Do they all need to be the same hardware, or could I mix up different versions of the Pi? I have like 5 different models lying around and I wouldn't mind doing something with them.

>>61950435
naw, it will be an actual requirement

https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-2-5-and-aes-ni.html

there had been accusations that it's driven by wanting to push their own hardware rather than anything technical, but take that with a pinch of salt.

>>61950500
for docker swarm it was very easy

https://howchoo.com/g/njy4zdm3mwy/how-to-run-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-with-docker-swarm

I think docker swarm is ok with different types of node just so long as they are the same architecture, so different types of pi should be ok - not 100% sure on pi3

>>61950093
Install SGE and run scientific simulations of stuff.

>>61948039
>kanker

Je moet boven de 18 zijn om op deze site te kunnen posten.

>>61949617
>>61949617
>>61949617
>>61949617
>>61949617
THAT WALLPAPER

ITS YOU

I thought you died years ago.

Im sorry about your family.

WHy dont you post your battlestation anymore?

>>61951567
oh no, I'm still around

truthfully - since my mother died I've not been able to bring myself to tidy the place up - its too messy for pics.

eventually I will , but one step at a time.

>>61951780
>since my mother died
this is getting worse and worse for you. do you have anyone left?

>>61951857
my brothers and sister - no real contact with any others any more

t'is the way of things - don't get me wrong, life is good, just taking time to get myself together.

>>61951886
i might be mistaken here, but did you lose your wife too?

>>61951894
no, we weren't married, but yeah my fiance and son died almost 20years ago

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>>61946939
Your pic is of some routers and switches, there isnt even a UCS blade.

>>61947802
Its all crap, that isnt a server its a shitbox

>>61946958
Holy Touhou stickers.
There should be a CirnoOS though, to keep the stuff cool.

>>61947496
>Connection speed/stability
Not an issue if it's not an online server

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>>61948169
>Already have one, not powerful enough for plex.
Is that a joke? I use a Core 2 Duo laptop from 2008 for Plex, 4GB RAM, 256SSD and 1TB HDD over eSATA and it does everything smoothly, i.e. 1080p decoding/encoding. It's dead silent, does not produce heat and takes mere watts of power.

>>61952868
Not that anon but try doing it with 4K HEVC with 110+Mbps video streams and see how it goes. That maxes out my dual Xeon E5-2660v2.

>>61951567
People like him don't die, they are cursed to walk this Earth.

>>61952955
>4k maymay
Tell me again how 4K is worth it today?
Pretty wasteful for something you can't differentiate from a few feet away anyways.

>>61952991
>Tell me again how 4K is worth it today?
Try using a 40" TV as a monitor 2 feet from your face

>>61947496
>heat

>>61946939
Any old PC can be a server. No need to buy one if you're just gonna screw around with it.

>>61946939
Cheap used r710. Can't go wrong. You'll barely be stressing it so fan noise won't be too bad.

Mine hits something like 150watts in operation.

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>>61946939
>Would it be stupid to learn
only on /g/

>>61946939
yes

>>61949617
Wasn't expecting an answer, thank you! I read what happened to you, I'm so sorry, carry on!

>>61955638
no worries - shit happens as they say

want any more info, just ask

>>61951567
Someone plz explain

>>61956899
wat happened

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Go for it, simple home server don't need high end parts or expensive case. Plain jane atx case will do just fine, just make sure it got plenty of drive bays and cooling fan mounts. Aside note: Holy shit, my server's drive space is getting eaten up quick but hey it all good, I've got files going back least 20 yrs so it's to be expected plus client backups that go back least one year.

has anyone built a rack mount pfSense box?

for a home firewall all you really need is desktop grade hardware, but its hard to find a configuration to fit inside a 1U rackmount chasis.

pls advise

>>61946939

I always wonder what people do with shit like this. I have a lower power router switch nas and server/ What the fuck is all that shit.

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I wouldn't bother buying much new if you're just fucking around. Got everything in pic related for free except the 4U chassis and some hdds.

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>>61958452
I use a short depth chassis - old fanless atom d510 mini itx board, right angle pci adaptor and 2nd gigabit Ethernet card - along with one of those mini-itx power adaptor with brick

nothing great, but does the job for now

>>61946939
Doing this ended up allowing me to learn almost everything I know today which in turn landed me a full time job with great pay.

Do it OP, learn as much as you can.

>>61959090
>noisy shit next to bed
you're doing it wrong.

>>61958042
Plain jane atx black case kept in basement corner along with all networking gear.
FX 8300
8GB Ram
1TB (C:\ OS, D:\ Client Backups/Classic Cartoon rips) 9TB (N:\ Raid 5 4x3TB, porn,e-books,software,videos,isos,pics,music,various files,FTP Upload folder,temp videos aka cam rips

>>61959090
Where did you find the backup battery unit for free? Had a few thunderstorms around my area that knocked power from my servers for a bit so it'd be nice to have a super cheap way to avoid that.

How do I do good cable management like OP's pic for my home rack?

>>61947199
compiling your own shit on a raspi is painful as fuck though.

If you're budget concious get an atom. Even the cheapest atom is far and beyond a raspi in terms of processing power. It's the difference between "this is a pain because I have to go get a coffee every time I do something" vs "that was fun because I did things and achieved results in a reasonable time frame".

Also I feel the raspi community is a pain in the arse.

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>>61958042
>Raid 5
>Windows

>>61959533
It's next to my couch in my living room. Still probably not ideal but small apartment.

>>61960362
Cleaning up an office building and a company left the rack and ups behind when they moved out.

>>61960755
>implying there aren't other ARM boards out there more geared toward performance
>like having 32-bit RAM buses and spinning rust
>instead of cheapest shit possible and SD cards
I agree the raspi community is lame, but be fair.

>>61960834
I don't have any experience with those other ARM boards. I do have experience with atoms though. Not gonna suggest something I dunno shit about.

>>61952991
>Tell me again how 4K is worth it today?
Still not enough content in true 4k sadly (no, shitty upscales do not count).

>>61961189
to compensate for windows' god-awful font rendering

>>61961216
Your post doesn't make sense in reply to mine. Misquote?
Also
>windows

Bought a SUPERMICRO MBD-X8STE and Intel Xeon W3550 for $100 shipped, did I fuck up bros?

>>61947095
how can I connect them into hivemind?

>>61961367
>Intel Xeon W3550
Why would you do that? It's a 130W processor with a shit benchmark by today's standards.

You could've gotten a higher benched chip with a significantly lower TDP.

What are you going to use this for? Will it be on 24/7?

>>61946939
>build my own server
>posts a picture of Cisco switches and routers

If you have to ask if it's a good idea to build your own server you're not smart enough to know what to do with it.

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Just bought this because apparently 10GbE will not be reaching non-idiotic prices anytime soon.

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>>61961617
>tfw brought the same NIC off ebay
>Estimated delivery was today but was a no show
>have to wait until Monday to start up my pfsense router

>>61961671
don't look now but there's a huntsman on your shoulder mate

Was thinking about buying a server too. What kind of stuff should I look at ? I got a 600€ budget

>>61961464
as a file server, yes..

are there any alternatives for the board i purchased?

>>61962542
the motherboard is a good choice
the cpu is v questionable

shouldve gotten xeon L5640 for $20, see pic related

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>>61962620
pic

>>61962620
>>61962631
I forgot to mention I'll be running unRAID with Plex, Docker and possibly some VMs. I've already ordered 6x4GB DDR3 ram.
This chip looks promising though, thanks

>>61946939
> build my own server
Kind of. Admins don't build servers.

>>61961617
> 10GbE will not be reaching non-idiotic prices anytime soon.
EPYC boards come with two 10GBe adapters.

>>61962650
are you the op? what do you think you will learn by using unraid?

>>61946939
no it's completely stupid if you are just using it to "learn". I have one in my basement that I only use to run web spam but its so loud i can hear it from upstairs and its annoying. Also it's extremely large and heavy yet flat, so it takes up an entire desk. I only have it because it was cheap for how powerful it is and I actually needed it, didn't learn shit it's exactly the same as a normal desktop pc as far as using.

>>61962744
Not OP, but I like the Docker support with it, using mismatched hard drives, and easily growing space.
i'm still a noob at this so i could be wrong, though

>>61962790
unraid is shit for retards
if you actually want to learn something (and have a bit of experience) use a regular minimal distro like ubuntu server or scientific (or debian) and use mergerfs and snapraid
theres tradeoffs to both, snapraid isnt real time parity like unraid so you could possibly lose more data, but unraid isnt free nor is it particular cheap imo.

https://www.linuxserver.io/2017/06/24/the-perfect-media-server-2017/
this is a good guide if you're interested, even has shiny gui for management if you're scared of cli

>>61946939
Get 5 raspberry Pis. It's a magnitude cheaper, less hot and quieter.
Alternatively, run several VMs on your desktop. You can easily virtualize whole racks of servers.

>>61946939

What are you going to use it for? If you want to learn about enterprise hardware, just watch videos online and read reference manuals. If you want to play with independent systems, just run a bunch of VMs on your workstation.

>>61963066
5 pis is approx 200 USD before any peripherals
they are shit for anything requiring decent IO, reasonable amount of memory or processing power

for 200 USD you could put together a decent whitebox with a used 1366 mobo and L56xx Xeon with significantly more usefulness. Power draw is still not massive.

Pis make shitty servers.