>By 2023, used car prices will crash as people give up th

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try again

one paragraph in and I can already tell it's an out of touch scientist.

>>61945323
It assumes autonomous vehicle.

>in 10 years we'll all be driving electric cars! oil will be obsolete.
That's what they said 10 years ago. And the 10 years before that.
At the rate we're going everyone will have self-driving cars before electric cars are universal.

My car will be 23 years by then and still will be under 75000 kilometers.

Fucking 2000 Nii-san's are indestructable!

>>61945333
it assumes much more than that

>>61945306
said the anxious treehugger for the 100th time.
They can take my gasoline hungry car out of my dead cold hands.

>>61945343
>Indestructible
>Barely gets driven

>>61945306
I'd cream if that was true

>>61945393
peak oil any day now

>>61945306
On the contrary. Car will be very rare and expensive, like horses today.
Owners will share them on platforms like airbnb to cover lease (it's already happening with electric Lexuses and BMWs)
And do not forget insurance. No doubt insurance for human driving vehicle will cost fuckload of shekels.

>>61945323
>and I can already tell it's an out of touch scientist.
Its some gender studies garbage, not a scientist.

>>61945408
>On the contrary. Car will be very rare and expensive, like horses today.
I'd bet my life that that won't happen in the next six years.

>>61945408
Sounds more like stupid hippies paying for more than they can afford.

>>61945445
I'm pretty sure it won't happen in 15 years

>>61945480
Me too

>>61945472
>>>61945408 (You)
>Sounds more like stupid hippies paying stupid yuppies

>>61945382
My work comute is from 300 meters to 3km, of course it barely gets driven.

>>61945489
sounds like you wasted 17 years of your life
unless you have a second car you use for fun stuff

>>61945489
>I only drive to work and back

>>61945306
Not going to happen unless there's a breakthough in battery technology. My commute is the range of most electric cars.

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No, more likely by 2020 the subprime auto loan market crashes (killing new car sales and fucking up Tesla) while by 2024 Congress allows highways to be tolled, causing a massive shift back to railroads.

People are changing modes, not just vehicles.

>>61945306
We use oil for more than cars tardo.
Plastic (used in EVERYTHING) is made with oil.

>>61945306
He's not wrong, he just has the timeline a bit compacted.
Share economies will happen (are happening already), EVs will happen (are happening with luxury cars like Tesla, Audi e-tron, BMW i series, McLaren P1 and medium price cars like Toyotas), we just won't be full electric and shared in 6 years...

>>61945556
>back to railroads
As long as it's not to backroads I'm alright with it

>>61945516
Where am I supposed to drive? I buy everything but furniture online, grocery store is near my house.
I don't even know why I need a car.

>>61945580
>Where am I supposed to drive?
Why do you need a destination?

This stuff always seems to be written by urbanites who live in a city and have no idea why anyone would want to own a car, and 90% of their experiences in a car is a taxi or uber.

>>61945596
Because I need a goal.

>>61945608
All of my this

>>61945306
Cool. I just need to keep one of my cars running for another 5 years.

>>61945619
The goal is to enjoy yourself, you accomplish it by going for a drive.

>I asked my interviewer what Kodak thought of the rise of digital; she replied it was not a concern, that film would be around for decades. I looked at her like she was nuts. But she wasn’t nuts, she was just deep in the Kodak culture, a world where film had always been dominant, and always would be.
Sounds a lot like Microsoft and phones, even though just like their tablet PC concepts and the iPad, they were technically first to the jump with a "pocket" PC. Except in their case, Microsoft under Ballmer thought desktops and laptops would be around and the #1 choice for a majority of people for quite some time. Sadly, it's not the #1 choice for most anymore.

>>61945631
I've got to go pretty far out go somewhere where I haven't beeny seems like wasted gas.

>>61945702
Why do you need to go somewhere you haven't been? And even if you do, it's anything but a waste, it's an experience.

>>61945556
>the subprime auto loan market crashes
Wait, are they trying to do the same thing that happened with houses?

>>61945711
Sounds like wasted gas, there's nothing fun in driving to places that you know well.

>>61945731
Sounds like you're broken

Well that was very interesting, truly nothing is certain in this world, there are some interesting examples given, and to his point one could add 2 things.
1) The Oil under-use experienced in these last years that has even led beside a lower price to having the damn thing sitting in storages.
2) Glass batteries, if the thing works and is commercialized, it would do wonders to electric cars, given their weakness always comes down to the lifetime of the battery.

>>61945930
>x new battery chemistry
almost always fake and gay
Even if the results aren't fabricated, they are almost never feasible to manufacture at high production volumes.

The best chances we have are modifications to existing battery chemistries.

>>61945561
Plastic from plants is a thing now, and is getting pretty cheap

>>61945306
There's no other way than down.

>>61945741
I broke your ass.

>>61946370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc8Jp3XZtCQ
see this

>>61945562
Sharing a car is disgusting. Ppl will always wanna driver their own private space.

>>61946780
kek, maybe you should drive the trailer you live in somewhere else, like a camping park on weekends.

>>61946797
Given that individual ownership of an automobile is both a recent development in human history and still limited to a minority of humans, what makes you think this is universal?

>>61946797
Car2Go is the most comfy service to move around town, I don't know in what kind of third world country you live but normal people actually have a civic sense.

>>61946863
>>>61946797
>Given that individual ownership of an automobile is both a recent development in human history and still limited to a minority of humans, what makes you think this is universal?

For men, a car is a very personal thing. Sharing it is like sharing a phone or a toothbrush.

>>61945489
>300 meters
just walk, you fat idiot

>buying new cars

>>61948224
>walk anywhere from half a kilometer to three with 20 pounds of baggage on 38 celsius.

No way .

>>61948274
Aussie?

>>61945556
>tolls
They need to do this yesterday. I'm fucking tired of bumps and potholes. As long as gas taxes change to accommodate this, that is.

>>61948316
Adriatic.

>>61948343
get off your ass and fix it yourself

What a load of bullshit

>>61948343
>here's a shitfuckton of money collected with the express purpose of building and maintaining roads for the improved quality of life and economy of the region
>oh I see that you regularly completely fail to deliver on your promises andn explicit purpose for existing and squander the money on bullshit, here's a fuckload more money that will certainly solve the problem

No. Government (at all levels) needs more operational transparency and accountability to the public and better use of the budget it already swindles out of us, not more fucking blank checks to cash.

>>61948546
Which side?

>>61945343
my 1999 Maxima is at 400,300kms

>>>/biz/

>I get out of the house at 5am in the morning and put my 3KG back pack on containing my laptop, office documents and a meal for the day.
>I get on my bike and ride the 10 miles to the nearest village that has transportation.
>I get on the commuter train that takes me 50 miles into the city that I work in.
>I catch a tube train and change at two stops.
>I arrive at my work destination.
>At the end of the day I do this all over again in reverse hoping my bicycle has not been stolen of vandalized.

I am healthy but fuck me does this suck.

>>61948623
Usually, tolls an the money they make are granted to the company that offers the best bid to maintain the road.

>>61948643
The poorer one.

>The consumer simply has little incentive to care whether or not a vehicle lasts 40 years. By that point the car will have outmoded technology, inefficient operation, and probably a layer of rust. No one wants their car to outlive their marriage.
Is this guy serious?

>>61948623
>he didn't read my post before sperging out

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The whole everyone will switch from personal cars to car sharing services ignores a very basic problem: the peak usage issue. Since most people commute to and from work at about the same time, the number of commuter cars needed won't go down by much, meaning renting a car regularly at these times wouldn't be much cheaper than just owning it.

>>61948590
>doing free work for a gubmint that can't into budgets even though they're making more money than ever
Yeah, no.

>>61948837
Where do you live? Hicksville Ohio? At least buy a car

>>61949353
Many millennials don't have nor want driver's licenses. Auto usage should decline soon.

>>61945306
>By 2023, used car prices will crash as people give up their vehicles. New car sales for individuals will drop to nearly zero.

That's simply impossible, considering that "emission credits" - which is the general name used all over the world for governments run scam which consist in subsidizing electric vehicles and "green energy" - is ENTIRELY based on robbing people out of prices they pay for useful commodities like.... used cars.

You stupid fucking moron, who probably live in the US, have people who cannot afford a used car, because they would have to pay extra money to found some rich kid in silicon valley to purchase his (on average) 100k dollar Tesla.

This summer i went to the UK with my car. 1800 km in 1 day. 2 refills. How the fuck would it have been possible with an electric car?

I come back after 1 month, and the other car, left alone in the garage for 4 weeks, still had it's original content of juice and was immediately operational. How can you do that with an electric car?

>>61949353
I disagree in light of ride sharing. Even if the opportunities are but a small fraction, intelligent routing can automate carpooling. There are plenty of private vehicles on the road during peak hours with single occupants as it stands. A small fraction of a huge number is still "much" in my eyes.

>>61949453

You mean those born in the late 90's/early 2000's. Some consider me being born in 1979 puts me in the millennial generation. However everyone my age definitely drives.

>>61949453
You know millenial means everyone born post mid 80’s? Basically anyone born 85-99 has a car.

>by 2023

Are you fucking stupid op?

>>61949510
That's a lie and you know it.
Mass transit is hell of a convenience, when you can read instead of paying attention to a road. The only place that has shit mass transit is the US.

>>61949526
Because of population density.

>>61949510
This is very dependent on where you live.
In some areas a car is invaluable. In most cities however, it tends to be a liability.

>>61949526
I dunno about THE WEST but what I described is the situation in the Balkans, everyone has a car, period, kids are taught by their "zet" and "kum" to drive their Mercedes, VW Golf and BMW's from 9 years of age.

>>61945306

Holy shit, what a fucking retard.

>>61946780
do you live alone anon? don't you have a family? don't you go out for picnics?

>>61948343
> Implying Mr. Yehuda Shekelbergstein won't pocket the tolls and call it a day

>>61945323
[[[Scientist]]]

>>61945306
young people are weird. they dont want to own anything.

>>61950369
Picnics? I'd rather go out and splurge on roast lamb on top of Klis.

Picnics, dude what

>>61950574
picnics, enjoying nature with family, seeing the kids play, you haven't ever done that?

>>61950448
Modern cars are literal botnet. Everything proprietary, no control, phones home to manufacturer, tracks mileage and GPS and who knows what else with no option to opt out, etc.

>>61950589
KIDS?!

>>61950448
Housing is a liability, cars can be a liability, stocks are actual assets.

>>61945355
Thank you for signing up for the population control by autonomous electric car program! You will be able to rest in piece know that not only will your obsolete vehicle be recycled, but so will most of your intact organs!
Thank you and have a nice day.

>>61945306
Completely impossible.

Sure, for an European urban population with access to public transport and bikes (which really are cheaper to maintain & easier to park), the final element to not ever buying a car MAY be just renting (/ sharing in a club or cooperative of sorts) autonomously driving cars that can be called on demand.

But that still leaves everyone else. And people who regularly use cars -which will definitely include everyone not in a city- will still have cars.

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>still waiting for flying cars.
>no cars.

>>61950448
They just don't want to grow up and take responsibility of their own lives.

I wonder how much is worth a whale like that.

>>61945306
>crude is only good for fuel
> highest volume energy efficiency method is dead

>>61945562
USA =/= Yuropoors
Sharing a car will not happen. It only exists in small tribal units (family or close friend). Americans are independent and the car represents that.

>>61950740
"How dare you not pay interest for 15 years"

>>61945489
Why aren't you cycling with such a small distance?

>>61951009
He said he drives a Nissan so that means in America they're likely a fat spic like a Puerto Rican for example. Those are the types that drive Nissans especially Altimas/Sentras.

has his yankee hat and a flag off the rearview like all of them.

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>>61945306
OP:
https://youtu.be/qU7FuAswPW0
>>61945306

>>61945306
What world do these people live in? Haha they think their bubble is real people.

>>61950607
>implying shared vehicles isn't even more of a botnet
>>61950642
young people don't own stocks or anything of value either, they spend their money on "foodie" food and digital bullshit that you have nothing to show for like apps or games on (((Steam)))

I think the article simplifies things too much. The automobile oil connection is only one part of a large system.

Take India for example. They have experienced tremendous demand increase for gasoline. Why? Cars, no. Scooters.

>>61945306
Used cars 2023

hue hue huehuwehueueheueuhe
HAHAHAH
Oh myyyyy

When nowaday cars barely lasts ~280 000km or even less
and old ones 10~14y (from now) properly maintenaced will hit far >500 000km

>>61951828
>buy electric car
>5 yrs battery capacity at 60%
>buy new car at double the range
>be in rural suburbia that Uber doesn't serve

If people honestly think that this is coming in the next decade, let alone next few they are delusional. Who hasn't broke the speed limit to get somewhere faster? There's even dirt roads not on GPS maps, particularly in developing countries. Insurance companies are not going to be willing to just die overnight either.

>>61951828
BTW 0.9L 130HP
wew what a powerr
muh DPF in non diesel car

I wonder why they lasts less than old 1.8L 100HP

>people hating on millennials who don't own anything
>in a thread about car ownership
>because buying a machine is maturity
>I just keep buying rental properties

>>61949510
I always heard it stated as "the generation who came of age around the Millenium"
I remember very clearly some 'motivational speaker' coming to my highschool back in 1999 talking up how we were the first of a new generation because we were the class of 2000

I'm going to guess like most "Millenial" bullshit its not that people don't want to drive, or don't want cars. They just can't afford it because wages haven't gone up significantly since the 70s while the prices for everything have increased substantially.

Stuff my parents generation managed in their 20s financially out of college, took me a decade longer to achieve and I'm way more fiscally responsible than they were.

>>61945319
Coal powered cars when?

>>61945343
Are you stupid?

>>61945341
India and China are already ramping up production fast. Soon they'll be able to produces millions of electric cars a year.

>>61945537
>>>61945306 (OP)
> My commute is the range of most electric cars.
My condolences for your 100+ mile commute

>>61945306
I for one won't be giving my car up for the sake of sitting in an autonomous advert box

I fucking hate the idea of autonomous cars

Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about the death of ICE vehicles?

I don't want to breathe in those fumes man

>>61952136
Yes

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ITT: nu-males in cities think they are the center of the universe

in a city, you dont need a car, but everywhere else, a car is your lifeline.

>>61951828
How fome my car then has 390k km on it and it still works as first day? Of course, if you dont mantain the car, miss the oil changes, yada yada, it wont hit 200k even. But a properly maintaned car can last well ocer 500k.
>>61949642
Bok sused

>>61950448
Cars are expensive, I wasn't keen on getting one myself until i was forced to. I regret getting a car loan, should have gotten another beater.

>>61952136
>T. Urbanite who calls up his parents Everytime he needs to move anything heavier than his MacBook

>>61950628
are you American? I won't blame you if you are, your alimony and divorce laws are absolutely retarded.

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>>61950643
I-is this t-the future?
hold me senpais

>>61952067
The US special snowflakes don't really understand how fucking bad the air quality is in India and China. Electric cars aren't about carbon credits or greenhouse gasses or "muh theoretical efficiency", it's about keeping the densest urban areas on the fucking planet from being smog filled hellpits.

>>61950954
Still cheaper than rent.

>>61951632
>young people don't own stocks or anything of value either, they spend their money on "foodie" food and digital bullshit that you have nothing to show for like apps or games on (((Steam)))

We do spend our money on fresh, healthy, and nourishing food so that we don't end up sick from long-term malnutrition and needing to pay even more for medication to keep us alive in our old age, and we do spend our entertainment dollars on video games because they offer the most entertainment bang/buck, especially when they go on sale and/or Humble Bundles, yes.

My bicycle cost more than my brother's truck. I wouldn't trade him for the truck, either.

Your culture was a dead end street. Deal with it. Adapt or die, faggot.

>>61953396
(You) being everyone else. Whatever faggot.

>>61945306
I hope he is correct electric cars are completely superior

I live rueally bud noway i'm giving up my car unless something I can aford to replace it and do everything under my control.

Not a fan of automartic pilot.

>>61946787
That has nothing to do with the conversation, plant plastics would slowly replace oil and the governments would stockpile supplies

Robot Uber / Johnny Cab will kill personal cars manufacturers like Nissan can build them and put them on the road then you use an App to call them. Say this won't happen.

>>61954259
It depends on if they get the cost down. Uber drivers are already working for slavery-wages.

>>61954911
If they have an AI driver they would eliminated the wageslave then they are electric they go back to base for charging. Auto manufacturers are in the best position to have fleets of robot taxis. It could make own a vehicle obsolete but they would already have a new business model.

>>61951897
>who hasn't broke the speed limit to get somewhere faster
I haven't because I'm not a literal retard and know that speeding is placebo.

>>61955362
>speeding is placebo
Fucking how? If you drive 10% faster you get there 10% faster.

>>61952041
Now?
See: Tesla

People circlejerk about electric cars, but a retarded amount of the energy used to power them is made with coal and other fossil fuels.

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>>61952041
*ooga ooga*

>>61955384
>Traffic patterns
>Collisions
>Traffic signals
>Police
You prove that it is indeed placebo. All you're doing is wasting fuel and making roads more dangerous for others. I've never had somebody pass me that I haven't caught up to in a traffic jam or long light.