/pcbg/ - PC Bulding General

Should change OP

>Vega NEVER

>>61938218
It has its place if you use freesync or need more compute than the 10-series offers at those prices. Also undervolting seems to be pretty effective at keeping the power draw more reasonable without much FPS drop.

So i7s are a complete meme now and Ryzens are the new hot thang even though they have somewhat worse gaymen performance albeit at a much lesser price? I have a 4790K and the 7700K actually performs slightly WORSE. Sees like there's no reason for me to swap to a newer CPU/Mobo and DDR4.

>>61938282
Yup. i7's are now almost completely useless because Ryzen was such a huge step forward. Intel will continue trying to compete by making a bigger chip, but they won't truly be able to compete.

>>61938282
7700K won't be worse than a 4790K at the same clocks unless something is fucked up. But I would just wait for Coffee Lake if I were you.

Never built a PC, what do I change?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3cVpb

>>61938161
Is there a pre-established build under $600? Every one I see that used to be under 600 or at least claims to have been is upwards of 650 if not 700. Are there any good builds for gaming that are cheap?

>>61938369
what are you trying to do? You have a mish-mash of performance and budget parts and neither of those will be achieved with what you have

>>61938161

what does "Vega NOW" mean ?

>>61938409
Play some gayms for under 2k, also workspace

>>61938326
I saw benches somewhere and the 7700K was ever so slightly worse, but I need to check the clocks again. 4790K is 4.0 GHz stock and 7700K is 4.2 GHz stock, possibly counting boost.

It sure as hell isn't worth to upgrade the CPU over GPU though. Might just wait till Zen 2 or Covfefe Lake.

Shit sucks because I want a new GPU but miners are raping prices and Vega is well... Vega.

>>61938390
Have you looked at the logical increments meme?

>>61938390
Problem is GPUs right now due to miners. What exactly do you need out of a $600 build? Are you willing to use a used prebuilt or do you want everything new?

I want to buy a vega 56

>>61938369
1) Not a meme: Drop your misconceptions and "consider" a Ryzen build.
2) Do not spend that much on a case.
3) Discard the idea that higher cost = more performance. It does not apply to every component, and when it does, not in the same way.
4) Pirate windows and/or find a cheap stolen key. Reinvest that costs elsewhere or pocket.

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>i've been stuck with lga 775 pentium shit-tier build since 2010
>when i finally want to upgrade all prices are inflated and there are no gpus
who else /regretful/ here?

>>61938412
Means vega is out NOW.

But not really though because it's sold out fucking everywhere + prices are inflated as fuck.

>>61938530
upgrade everything but the gpu for now.

>>61938449
I just want to be able to play Europa Universalis 4 at an acceptable/stable framerate. Ideally on the top speed. Anything above 10fps. And I don't particularly mind prebuilt or used components I just can't really go too much over around 500-600.

>>61938554
i'm leaving current pc for my brother. i'd buy a pc now but ryzen has no iGPU and i cant be bothered with buying another gpu just to have my pc boot

Im building a ryzen5 1600. Whats the fastest memory to get?

>>61938573
Don't most mobos have integrated shit?

>>61938580
3200 mhz. Looks for Samsung B-die ram. Ryzen loves it.
Like G.Skill Trident Z. Or G.Skill Flare X that was designed specifically for Ryzen

>>61938447
if you're buying intel, wait for coffee lake. If you want a PC now, get Ryzen instead (it'll save money too)
If you know you need 32gb of RAM, go ahead, but odds are you don't
It's hard to see your build as it is needing water cooling, but if you want it, go 'head cuz
>paying for software
Put all the money you save toward a better GPU. Considering the state of the GPU market, I'd just get a 1080ti if I had your budget.
Your splurging on a case but if you really want that one, don't let me stop you. It's just overindulgent is all

I've been out of the loop.
Why are RAM prices almost twice as high compared to last year?

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for an exhaust fan with corsair carbide 400c, am I better off with 2 120mms or 1 140mm up top? (holds up to 2 140's or 3 120's)

>>61938580
I got this -
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15
on sale today @ newegg for my 1600 build.

re-asking my question itt:

so now that Vega is basically not a good option all things considered and that board partner cards are confirmed to be non-existent, is it still worth getting a freesync monitor for a 1070? realistically, how much worse is it when playing without variable sync vs with variable sync on a 1440p 144hz monitor?

>>61938600
not graphic cards

>>61938612
Mobile markets are straining the supply of DDR4 in general which affects desktop RAM prices. Same thing for SSDs but not as bad there

>>61938573
so give your brother the skeleton and let him buy a 1050ti himself? you're already giving him something, he'd have to be a fucking faggot to be ungrateful

>>61938600
Integrated audio or wifi maybe but not integrated graphics.

>>61938612
Smartphones are starting to use ddr4 memory and the supply can't keep up so prices are increasing.

Best value AM4 board right now?

For a dumbass that knows jack shit exept what part is what. Why is it not important to catch up to date if I want to learn hardware?

>>61938627
I'm pretty sure you don't need a GPU to get video output from your mobo.

>>61938621
Vega 56 AIB exists and reviews already show reference Vega 56 beating 1070s

>>61938604
How about 3600 mhz?

>>61938613
depends on if you want positive pressure (more intake) or negative (more exhaust)

check your fan CFMs, which is how much air they can move.

140mms can spin slower and move more air quieter

>>61938682
Harder to hit but definitely possible with certain boards and kits.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yBtWGX/asrock-ab350-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350-pro4

or spend a little more for the tomahawk

>>61938675
That's if your processor has integrated graphics on it.

>>61938675
Ryzen's don't have an iGPU and mobos with those built-in ports are for passthroughs from CPUs with them like Athlons on the AM4 socket.

A dedicated GPU is required for Ryzen, currently.

>>61938573
>>61938675
>>61938711
if you really need integrated graphics and don't want to buy a gpu, just get a used 4790k or 6700k and be done with it

>>61938679
i don't want any damage control. we all know vega isn't that good when everything is considered from power usage to board partners saying there are no custom cooled cards coming anytime soon (source hardware unboxed). i'm already set on the gtx 1070 but my real question was related to the general experience on a high fps monitor without adaptive sync tech

also european pricing has vega wayy to overpriced even compared to the 1070 which is barely available as it is

>>61938704
meant to quote >>61938663

>>61938707
>>61938711
That's pretty shitty. You could just buy a shitty $30 gpu for the time being though.

>>61938750
To be fair unless you're putting it up against a poverty build (the Pentiums with iGPUs) you'll probably want a dedicated anyway.

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>>61938669

>>61938701
Thanks anon.

I see a Gskill ripclaw v series (2x8gb) 3200 for $145. Is it worth it?

>>61938613
Thanks anon.

>>61938658
he's older than me and broke. i actually have some saved money, meanwhile he failed a year in HS due to LoL addiction and frequently plays 40h+. plus he also stole shitload of money from me (still i didn't get everything back).

>>61938846
why the fuck would you give him a computer then?

>>61938796
Ripjaws and TridentZ seem to have high success rates from what I've seen on OC forums so broadly speaking I would say yes it's probably worth it. What CAS latency is that rated at 3200?

>>61938161


>>61938764
>>61938777
>>61938848

>>61938863
16-18-18-38 good enough?

>>61938898
literally google

Is 1080 or 1080ti worth it over 1070?

>>61938900
Yeah that's fine

>>61938918
At 1080p not really except in a few very demanding titles. At 1440p or higher yes it is worth it.

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What is the normal price for an AIB rx 580? $250? Going to wait for prices. If I wait long enough maybe things will get better.

>>61938855
we're sharing it. we bought it using our money in ~2009 (still the same specs since then).

>>61938161

if you get an unlocked processer do you NEED the highest end OC mobo to utilize the default clock range the CPU has (which is usually about .5~ ghz over the non unlocked version)

>>61938982
No

>>61938919
Thanks.

Are there any AM4 boards without "gamer" styling?

>>61939091
Just buy a case without a window

>>61938161

r8 my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WJPr7

24 or 27 inches?

>>61939132
>$180 for DDR2
why would you even

>>61939153
24 for 1080p
27 for 1440p

>>61938605
I'm getting a free 5 grand from school for being a good boy so I figured I'd spend a lil extra on a case
Considering how much I've spent in other shit 200 is nothing

>>61938390
In theory yes, but that assumes you have a monitor and keyboard.

To get a decent set of those will cost you at least 300, and that 300 usually isn't included in the build price.

>>61939169

will it run AAA at 1080p

What is the THICCest GPU I can get?

>>61938605
>>61938464
If I decided to go the Ryzen option what else should I switch?

>>61939296
The motherboard, the cooler (specifically the bracket to connect it).

>>61938369
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3cVpb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kw8msJ

>>61939296
obviously the MoBo, and Ryzen benefits especially from faster RAM, so you might as well bump up to 3200mhz.

>>61939203
I have a monitor & keyboard/mouse already that I tend to use with my laptop. Even with those though everything I find tends to be higher than originally stated. Though I suppose I may just have to wait and hope shit lowers in price.

How does Ryzen actually do with emulation and specifically real Dolphin games not that shitty benchmark. I don't want to switch from my i5 if half of my emulated games drop to 20FPS or worse.

>>61939430
>>>/vg/emugen

>>61939430
It runs everything well that I've tried including Last Story and Metroid Prime. That benchmark is basically useless if it's the same one I saw on the forums.

If you have a case with a PSU/drive bay shroud and a bunch of space to stick the extra cables, does a non-modular PSU matter?

>>61939480
modular psu is literally for 'muh aesthic' only. it doesn't impact airflow in the slightest.

>>61939449
>Last Story
Sounds pretty good. I was only able to run it at stable 30 after using ubershaders stuff in the newest build.

Is there a tool to edit the bios on video cards to hard code clock/voltage settings?

>>61939533
Yeah I'm using ubershaders too, helps a lot.

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Vega is fucking trash.

>>61939607
24/7 load doesn't happen unless you're mining. My fucking gaming life is mostly shitposting and playing games that don't even get my 390 to 50% load.

I know I have to update the bios on for my new build, so that the RAM will reach it's full potential.

When should I be updating the bios?
Should I do it on my first initial boot before I install my OS? Or do I do it after I've got everything up and running?

is Xeon E3-1231v3 good for a gtx 1080?

>>61939671
Mining is the only reason to buy an AMD GPU.

>>61939684
just flash it whenever. Might as well just do it as soon as you power on

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Im still running a 2500k and Im thinking about upgrading soon since my motherboards broken audio processing is driving me insane and my case and fans are falling apart/breaking. Is now a good time or are there any neat new technologies on the horizon I should wait for? I use it for programming, games, and photoshop mainly, occasionally video editing, and I don't need a new gpu.

>>61939693
nvm actually. cant find a decently priced used one.
what xeon wont bottleneck a 1080?

>>61939708
Well yeah that's what I was thinking, so I didn't get it all working and then end up breaking something when trying to update. Guess I'll just do it before installing the OS.

>>61939723
Wait for Coffee Lake to give moar coarz at 5 GHz.

>>61939737
Kappa

>>61939737
>Intel literally cannot compete with AMD on price to performance
>Decide to take AMD'sold marketing tactic of MORE CORES!
>still bad value and less cores than AMD

>>61939723
great time to upgrade everything but gpu and RAM although you're gonna need ddr4 anyway and I don't see a /good/ time to buy RAM in the near future

>>61939734
you can flash it after too but some drivers often need to be reinstalled so it's probably just easiest to do it beforehand

>>61939791
>AMD is still on Sandy IPC and can't get past 4 GHz
>Intel will deliver a 6 core with high single core and annihilate the 1800x in gaymes
>literally still believing that moar corez means moar performance

>>61939817
>Intel will deliver a 6 core with high single core and annihilate the 1800x in gaymen***

>ask a question
>gets ignored because you faggots would rather do intel vs amd vs nvidia shitposting

>>61939834
Well anon, everyone knows that the people here either don't know so they ignore it or think you are an idiot for asking such a question

>>61939834
so bump it, dumbass

>>61939817
>>61939823
but the Intel CPUs can't compete with AMD on anything but gaming.
AMD's SMT is just more efficient Than Intel's hyper threading.
12 AMD threads amounts to 13.8 Intel threads.

And AMD is working on an IPC boost and more Ghz with Zen 2 which releases next year... when coffee lake was originally SUPPOSED to come out.

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>>61938972
Answer my question! RRREEEEEE! What's the normal price on an AIB RX 580?!

>>61939865
gaymen gaymen gaymen gaymen

>>61939867
4 GB models MSRP around $200-210
8 GB models MSRP around $230-250

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>>61939817
IPC is closer to Broadwell-E in most workloads and can exceed Kaby Lake in some synthetic workloads

It's been over 10 years since I've built a pc. So, if I'm reading this right can a budget GTX 1050TI not ever run at 1080p@144hz? Can the RX570 and RX580 ever do 1080p@144hz?

I have no problem paying more for a card to get 1080p@144hz.

I'm just wanting some clarification after binging and re-learning all the new tech for the past week or so.

are dual ryzen motherboard ever going to be a thing?

>>61940001
they can but obviously not on anything recent

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wrLnRG
i think i can find gpus for just a tad cheaper.
also what are your guys' opinions on buying used components aside from refurbished storage devices. i feel like its a bit desperate but if its still in working condition i dont see a reason not to if youre tight on cash

Don't know if ill be welcomed here but im looking for a cheap pc around 100$ that can run some basic games can anyone help me? Sorry if this isn't the right thread.

>>61940026
Maybe in Epyc land at some point

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>>61940036
>$100

>>61939993
I will wait until those two friends come out and then upgrade to either of those that gives me muh more fps on gaymes. I don't encode or do any heavy multitasking tasks like maybe editing a 4K video or streaming, so I'll get the next i7 8700K or r7 2700/x, thought I'll be waiting some time until these go down in price like they did now.

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My PSU's fan bearings are dying and I need to pick up a new one. I've also been thinking of upgrading the rest of my pc. What PSU should I get? What else should I prioritize upgrading?

how do i make my games use less cpu? i was playing bf1 just now and my cpu was pegged at 100% with gpu at around 74% and i was getting drops below 60 fps with a gtx 1070 at 1080p. this is weird because i played it a couple weeks ago with no issue and even other cpu demanding games don't cause my fps to be restricted by that much. videos of the same setup don't show the issue to be this bad either so i dunno what is going on

processor is [email protected]

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>>61940036
I believe this is what you're looking for.

>>61938573
the 1050Ti is pretty decent really.

>>61940036
You shouldn't try to build one at that price. Go to a salvage or recycling center and pick up some old office desktops for cheap. Usually the old dell systems can accept a basic bitch GPU and game alright. Craigslist might also work.

My friend tells me that buying parts from amazon is stupid, but amazon.co.uk has better deals than scan.co.uk does. Cheaper too.

Question is: is there a catch?

>>61938369
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3cVpb
>7700k with a 1050ti
Full retard right there. You could run an R3 1200 for $100 and you'll still bottleneck the 1050 first.
>full tower for $200+
>not even a single HDD
Ok, were you dropped on your head or something? You literally only have an SSD, which if you get in the m.2 for factor will lie flat against any modern motherboard. You honestly don't even need a full ATX mobo, and could get a smaller one and a smaller case. Just get a normal case for $50-$100.

>>61940230
don't know about .co.uk but here in US they send spiders with PC components. Def avoid if you can...

Hi /pcbg/

Talk me out of buying RGB Ram?

>>61938600
Not since putting GPUs directly on a CPU die became a thing.

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>>61940238
chill, bruh. Dude said he doesn't know what he's doing, what crawled up your ass?

>>61940120
overclock
get a new cpu

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>>61940256

>>61939430
My wife uses my 1600 to play Mario Kart and it runs completely normal at 4K with all the graphical boosts turned on with my 1050ti. I doubt MarioKart is a very demanding Dolphin title but that's the best I've got.

Oh, I also play mip mapped PS2 games, like Ratchet and Clank, at full speed, with occasional slowdowns that seem to happen on any hardware.

Do AMD cpus work better with AMD gpus?

>>61940352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRCK7RfbUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmOglA32uRU

do a search first faggot

>>61940136
i wanted to get an rx 580 and 1080p144hz freesync monitor. i don't want to settle on 60hz medium settings (my current monitor is 75hz)

>>61940125
Well i can maybe do 150$?

>>61939892
Thank you

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I understand your need to build your own PC, but if you're just gonna use it for gaymen, just do what I did for $210

>>61939132
"No"
You can have a similarly priced Ryzen 1200 build.

>>61940352
No, those are just memes. Some drivers are optimized for AMD GPUs and some are optimized cor Nvidia GPUs. Some games are multithreaded(better for AMD) and some games rely on single core performance (better for Intel)

>>61940001
I have a 570, it runs the esports games you need at 1080p 144Hz, but nothing like Witcher 3 and AAA super ultra will run at those speeds.
Doom runs at 120 on Ultra.

>>61939725
What are you going to use that Xeon for? Alreadt got the mobo or what? Either way you're better off with Ryzen 7 or Threadripper for workstation porpuses.
>>61940230
Your friend ls a complete faggot. Amazon has the best costumer support on the planet. Is anything goes wrong you are completely covered, plus thwir prices are competitive. If the price is the same I'd get it from amazon any day

>>61938573

nvidia just released the 1030 which is literally 20 or 30 bucks and is basically a dedicated intel 630

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>>61938161
Why won't motherboard manufacturers add both CPU sockets on a mobo so I don't have to buy a new one for either Jewtel or AMJEW
In fact why hasn't an universal CPU socket been invented yet

>>61940476

CORRECTION, i meant the 710

>>61939132
>$548
hey thats pretty low
>forget to switch to CAD pricing
>jumps to $915

Hey /g/. I have a budget of roughly 500€ at best to build a desktop pc. I just need it to play games like Path Of Exile, Final Fantasy 14 or WoW, so not that demanding. Maybe even some newer games, but i don't necessarily need ultra settings.
I just wanna play at 1080p with stable 60fps on the games i listed and i also need to buy a monitor.
My question is: Will that budget be enough?

>>61940504
$

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Q4Yjc
Won the lottery a couple of years ago. R8 and h8 bois

So, Amazon have RX 580s for normal prices, just out of stock for pre-order.

Is it worth risking a pre-order, or will i get it in late 2025

>>61938918
Depends where you from I guess.
In Europe buying 1070 is pointless, because it all sold out to miners (1070 is better at mining than 1080).
Difference between 1070 and 1080 is mostly $50.

>>61940504
https://www.google.ro/search?q=intel+amd+same+socket
or am I retarded and i read that wrong?

>>61940504
Proprietary parts, and Intel doesnt want to waste future shekel profits on having a motherboard that can be used for any of their CPUs. They like inventing a new socket for each of their housefire series. Also it would just take a lot of work and cooperation

>>61940504
Stop talking shit. That's not how anything works.

It's like saying, "why gasoline don't cars include the brackets for diesel engines" compñetely retarded. Loot at LGA and PGA, chipsets and market competition before posting again
>>61940520
Yeah, i was getting worried. Te 1030 is $70

So a R31200+GTX1030 is a MUCH better deal than a similarly priced core i5

>>61940557
You can get a build with those needs in mind for rhat budget, but the monitor is squeezing it too much. Save up for one. You should be able to pick up a decent one from a pawn shop or somewhere used.
>>61940591
I too like to see how crazy i can go on PcPart picker. But you can just get an EPYC P47 and some doritoes

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>>61940504
Yeah, man. Yeah.

Firepro V7900 for $120 Y/N?

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>Ordered this 5 days ago
>Still won't ship
Is anyone having issues with Amazon fucking around with shipping? this is getting annoying.

>>61940083
Bump. Could really use some help with this.

>>61940083
>windows 10

>>61940659
Get a 500w high end PSU if you're running expensive hardware, it's not gonna stress it and it won't die.

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>>61940636
>That's not how anything works
>a CPU doesn't work like a CPU
what the fuck anon
>>61940636
>It's like saying, "why gasoline don't cars include the brackets for diesel engines" compñetely retarded
Oh, you're a nigger that's why

>>61940677
Thanks. What do you use?

>>61940659
Just replace the fan.
Or get this
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096

>>61938282
No they are not, a 7700K, is still the only viable CPU if you have a 1070+.
A 1080 Ti would be severely bottlenecked by a ryzen. Especially for owners of high refreshrate monitors.
We've been invaded by r/amd for a long time now.

>>61940476
1050 or 1050ti is way better performance for a low price increase

>>61940504
Look up Socket 7. Its has existed for years, but is deprecated

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>nearly buy a meme card like the 1050ti, back out at last minute
>obsessively refresh to see if the 570 is in the stock/back to normal price

this is my life right now

>>61940765
boo
bloo
bloo

>>61940783
t. miner

>>61940788
>tfw I don't even know how to mine

hah I trickd u

>>61940636

>So a R31200+GTX1030 is a MUCH better deal than a similarly priced core i5

after you add the GT 710 it brings the price up to 142 total, for that you would get an i3-7100 for only $110 and plus slightly cheaper mobo options and come out almost $50 cheaper then using equal parts to complete the build

if all you're doing is needing a PC for normal use and no gaming, then the pentium is the better option at 4560

>>61940734
see:
>>61940520


>>61940657

>choosing a delivery date option
>complaining

the shit is probably in a warehouse near you which is why it didnt ship yet

pretty much add 1 day for each timezone

>>61940733
I find it hilarious when a few months ago all of a sudden quad-cores aren't viable anymore and """everyone""" became a streamer and content creator.

While people pay a premium to get the best of the best from Nvidia while all these aggressive responses against getting a 7700k.

Really makes you think.

>>61940733
Complete bullshit, I have a 1080 Ti and I'm not bottlenecked at 1440p@144hz.

>>61940657
I'm so sorry

>>61940956
resolution doesnt affect bottleneck at all just fyi

Can anyone recommend a good 1080p monitor?

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BRIAN GIVE ME MY FUCKING SIX CORE 7700K NOWWWWWWWWWW YOU FUCKING CUNT NOWWWWWWWWWWW I NEED IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>set up new motherboard and RAM on cardboard test bench that came with it
>put in new CPU and old GPU
>plug into known-good PSU
>turn it on
>fans spin but no video output
>no case speaker so I can't tell if it POSTed
Fugg :DDD

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>>61941109

end this meme

>>61941131
What CPU? Ryzen needs a dedicated GPU, your mobo video outs mean jack shit to it.

>>61940733
retard

>>61940933
why pay 200$ for 4c/4t when you can have 6c/12t for cheaper. retard.
>>>/v/

>>61940751
Okay, let me rephrase
Why don't we have an universal socket that still fucking works

>>61939106
>Just buy a case without a window
That is naturally given.
I don't want to support "gamer design" at all, though.

>>61941184
$

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>>61941223
Except you're forgetting that you can ask more money
Just look at Vega lmao

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>>61941109
BRIAN

BRIAN

RELEASE THE 8700K, MAKE IT SOLDERED TOO

DO IT NOWWWWWWWWW

>>61938679
>>61938742

The Vega 64 beats the 1080 Ti in many workstation benchmarks. In a few workstation benchmarks, it's even more powerful than the Titan Xp and/or Quadro P6000.

So if you're talking just gayming, yes, the Vega 64 is just a power-hungry 1080-competitor. But when you factor in using this card for productivity, it's an absolute beast on par with the 1080 Ti, and a steal at 500 bucks.

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>>61940956
Wait a year, and games will be more simulation intensive, and while your 1080 ti will stack up great, the CPU won't cause, no developer will ever focus on more than 6 threads.
Also there is a shitton games right now where Ryzen can't provide above 144 FPS.
Not claiming it's a huge deal, but its worth mentioning.

>>61941355
>no developer will ever focus on more than 6 threads
Screencapping this for future laughs.

>>61941291
The worst part is that I bet he actually hears that.

>>61941378
>"The year is 2070 but I'M FINALLY RIGHT. FUCK THAT OTHER GUY!"

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>>61938613
I currently have 1 140mm fan on top, it does the job just fine

>>61939607
>0$ for 1070
what did he mean by this?

Hi first time builder here, i've already got the parts i need except GPU i'm just wondering how long do you think until GPU prices will drop? Thank you.

>>61941307
>a steal at 500 bucks
Considering you can get a higher-end 1080ti for 500 bucks now, it really isn't

How do you turn on an unboxed build for initial test?

>>61941452
It's not 0, it's just very low compared to AMD

>>61941459
I was in the same boat. I just bought a 1050 for now, gonna resell it if the 570 ever comes back in stock.

>>61941471
either run in your front panel connectors or short the same pins on your mobo (with a screwdriver)

consult your mobo manual for which pins those are

>people selling 1050s for 570s
>literal half the number
no wonder there's a general for these people

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>>61941522
what did you mean by this

Is AMD FineWine technology gonna come through for Vega?

Hello, building my first computer. Advice?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jjfGCy

Gonna wait for the Vega 56 hits the shelves and see where the price lands, the fact that they are holding off to up the stock is promising.

>>61941378
I remember when Bulldozer was launched and some faggot told me that developers in the near future will focus on multi-threaded games. Are you that same faggot?

>>61941620
Probably. Half the new features on the arch is still disabled because AMD drivers are made of literal dogshit.

>>61941658
>i5
ENJOY YOUR STUTTERING AUTISTIC PCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>61941664
The launch of Vega56 was always on 28.08. Plus it is the shitty reference version. Sure it beats the 1070 but it will be like having a lawnmower in your room. Provided you find it at a reasonable price or stock.

I never get people who buy reference AMD cards. Every single one of them run hot and load because of the shitty blower.

>>61941670
Right, so they are just going to keep making lightly-threaded games even though IPC is never going to have an appreciable jump ever again.

>>61941733
I will believe it when I see it. Bulldozer really put me off AMD and the amount of faggots shilling Bulldozer due to MOAR CORES which of course didn't turn out true.

>>61941658
Try piecing out a new build starting with a Ryzen 5 1600 CPU.
It comes with a cooler and thermal paste, so need to worry about those.

Just to see how it can stack up. There's no reason to be loyal to Intel, but I'm also not stopping you.

>>61941754
http://steamcommunity.com/games/578080/announcements/detail/1451701826007887564

>Optimized game performance for 6-core or higher CPU

>>61941713
The stores over here had Vega 64 third party cards listed on day one, cards that didn't have a blower-style cooler, and no, i'm never getting a card with one of those fucking coolers again, once was one time too many.

But i wouldn't be too surprised if there was a few third party Vega 56 cards listed day one too.

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My very first PC build besides an old one I made from scraps was with the FX-8350.

Fucking hell. This processor did me well for a few years but was it ever a meme. 8 cores that probably never saw full use even now that multi threading is becoming more common. Many times I've felt the woes of this thing's abysmal IPC. Back then I didn't even know what that was. I just thought clock rate was all that mattered.

I want to upgrade to Ryzen but AMDs piledriver failure is making me feel uneasy.

From what I'm reading the 1600/1600x is good value in contrast to the i5 lineup. I'd feel like shit if I pulled the trigger and Intel actually made a ~30% IPC jump with coffee to leave AMD in the dust again. I know for sure they're planning on adding 2 more cores to their i5s.

>>61941802
>PUBG
That dogshit still runs like shit on a 1080ti

>>61941810
very cute anime girl

>>61941808
Vega64 third party cards aren't out yet so I am not sure how they are being listed. Their designs aren't even known yet.

>>61941812
It's still "early access" and being updated constantly. Regardless, even they're starting to optimize for more cores because more and more people are going to have 6 core+ systems

>>61941802
>FPS is around the same with an 8-core 7820x CPU.
Heh

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>>61941810
>I know for sure they're planning on adding 2 more cores to their i5s.

>>61941836
Like I said, I will believe when I see the actual optimization because currently PUBG is a shitfest even on the strongest systems.

>>61941810
Even if they did leave AMD in the dust, AMD's new AM4 socket is going to be around a while with an upgrade path.

Oh boo hoo you may be without that 30% IPC boost for a while.

>>61941831
I guess i mixed up the fact that there are many manufacturers for there to be after market versions, the fact that i've been looking at a bunch of geforce cards over the last few weeks doesn't help, that said i'm still very interested in a Vega 56, much more so than a 1070 anyway, that seems lake a straight up waste of money right now.

>>61941467

Where can I get a GTX 1080 Ti for 500 bucks?

>>61941871
>Where can I get a GTX 1080 Ti for 500 bucks?

This.

I call BS unless we're talking second hand.

>>61941866
After the miner fee, you are better off spending that 50 dollars more and getting a 1080.

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>>61941812
>>61941836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t_lFcBE_wQ

Don't worry, """""optimizing""""" the game is easy with the above guide!

>>61941871
me too i am confuse

>>61941892
Which is why i'm gonna hold off and see where the price lands, the stocking up are supposedly in place to make up for fucking miners jacking up the price.

>>61941916
Your only chance of landing a MSRP vega56 is at launch with the blower shit. Otherwise the price will be jacked up already by the time AIB cards arrive.

>>61941658
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jjfGCy

You don't need a psu THAT powerful. A 600W will do fine.

Don't buy an OS for money, lol. You're feeding the Jewish masters. Instead, just torrent it on your current computer (or ask a friend to do it for you if you don't have a computer currently), stick on a usb thumbstick, and then use that as your skeleton key.

If you're gonna spend 170 bucks on an ssd and hdd, then you might want to just spend 170 bucks on an ssd outright. You can always buy a hdd later, and it's doubtful you're gonna fill up the space in the meantime.

8gb of ram is good, but 16 is better. Don't rush to get it though. 8gb is good for running, but not multitasking (depending on what you do). Also, generally, go for the higher speed rams. 3k or above.

And last but not least: you should probably wait for the gpu prices to drop. It's wiser to do so. If you don't want to, that's okay.

Other than that, pretty good build. You can always get the i7 processors later on, and with that mobo, they'll work damn fine. I'd ditch that keyboard (unless that's the one you want to buy) and the wireless adaptor, personally. Instead, I'd go with a long-ass cable going through my house. Cheaper, and a lot better too.

My computer refuses to boot with any amount of RAM in any of the slots (I used two brands of RAM to test). I'm going to assume this means my motherboard is completely fucked? Have a 1080, tried to boot with the internal graphics. Still no good. Almost completely sure it's the motherboard. If anybody has any input it would be appreciated.

I had an i5 4670k and will be doing a lot of 4k video editing, which the i5 sucked for. I built my last computer 4 years ago, and don't know shit about what's good now. Will I be happy on a Ryzen 7 1700? Here is what some random site told me to get:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B350-Motherboard-PC-MATE/dp/B06XPM7FSR/?tag=li-org-guide-video-us-20

I have some Corsair DDR3 RAM that may or may not be fucked. Can I use that with this CPU? Or do I have to go DDR4. If so, any recs, please.

Thanks /g/

>>61941967
Here, I should note that before my computer started to be a fucktard, it gave me a BSOD that read "memory management error". I managed to get it to boot 1 more time and saw that only 8gb of my 16gb was being recognized, leading me to assume that the RAM itself was fucked. However, now it will absolutely not read any memory, and refuses to boot (does not make startup beep with RAM installed, beeps like mad when no RAM is installed). All I can deduce from this is the motherboard RAM slots are fucked.

>>61941967
Might be the CPU but a CPU breaking is very rare. They almost always break the first time you use them or never at all. I will say it is the motherboard. Does it power on and then power off? Or does it beep and then turn off? Former might be a faulty PSU.

>>61941967
What? It just stopped working? Power outage? Any smells?

>>61941992
RIP Motherboard

>>61941936
In that case i guess a blower doesn't sound that bad, i know they're not nearly as bad as my old 4870 card these days, i'd rather not but i don't have the patience to wait for third party cards.

My backup if it all turns out to be a bum deal is a ~€500 1080 but it's honestly above my budget by quite a bit.

Holy fuck RAM prices have exploded. I just looked into buying another 16gb. The exact same RAM I bought a year and a half ago is now twice as much. Is this going to change or are we jewed forever?

When is the price expected to drop for gpus?

NIGGAS

help me build a computer around this monitor
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01L989XW2/ref=twister_B06XNMNT7R?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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>>61942009
>55 dbA
>In your room
>Doesn't sound that bad
For reference. The 290x. You know the one which appears in parody videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE is 53 dbA.

>>61942056
Sometime between an eternity from now and never.

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>>61942056
When Cryptocurrency stops being profitable to mine

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>>61942056
>price expected to drop
it's forecasted to keep climbing till some company finds out where they can make the most profit, and then it stops rising.

>>61942054
Shortage of NAND due to phones. We are going to get jewed forever because phone demand is not coming down.

>>61942056
When we lynch the miners.

>>61941999
No, and no. I was in the middle of a 4k video project and tried to save while closing Chrome, and the computer just shit itself in BSOD and gave me the message. Any attempts or variations of configuring the memory or gpu doesn't give me anything. I'm going to say it's not a PSU issue (Corsair HX750) as it's more likely this cheap trash Gigabyte board died. I don't mind upgrading, as I've been meaning to. I'm just trying to see which is better for video editing. I've always gone with Intel, and never considered AMD. Would the Ryzen 7 1700 beat out an i7 7700k for 4k?

>>61942088
Welp, literally fell for the 16gb meme.

>>61942089
4k gaming? No.
4k video production? Yes

>>61942074
At least my case have after market padding, like i said, i'd rather not but for the right price i probably will.

>>61942088
Why are people buying new phones so often. I still have a dumbphone because I can't stand touchscreens.

>>61941810
>~30% IPC jump
>by re-releasing skylake yet again

lol

>>61942143
Status of wealth and because they are cocksuckers for ads and marketing.

>>61942124
I am not sure why anyone will trade their sanity for a few FPS gain over the cooler and probably cheaper 1070. But whatever, probably the same people who buy intel over ryzen.

>>61942143
$

>>61942169
>1070
That shit is on the same level as the 1080 over here, unless that drops like a rock it's not gonna happen.

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>>61942143
I had a shitphone for years and a very low end smartphone that shattered a few months ago.

I got a Galaxy A5 and to my surprise I use it a lot now. I had a tablet and my ipod since my old phone was slow as shit.

Apart from actual games and computer work they're actually really powerful. Get a nice enough phone you pretty much have a computer/tablet with you at all times.

>>61942103
I don't give a shit about gaming. I play CSGO and League of Legends and similar games on low to medium because I'd rather be good than have something nice to look at, so eye candy is not my priority. It sounds like the Ryzen is more what I'm looking for then. I just hate the idea of AMD because I hate their cards and have bias. But if it's honestly better for my needs, brand means shit to me I'll get it. Will this motherboard be fine with this RAM:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B350-Motherboard-PC-MATE/dp/B06XPM7FSR/?tag=li-org-guide-video-us-20

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/?tag=li-org-guide-video-us-20&th=1

>>61942239
>Get a nice enough phone you pretty much have a computer/tablet with you at all times.
I feel that way with my $30 burner phone.

I just bricked mine a few times but finally got lucky when my current one got TWRP.

>>61941997
It doesn't beep whatsoever. I don't get a boot screen, beep, nothing. The keyboard LED's light up briefly and so does my mouse, but nothing else turns on.

>>61941900
This is actually a pretty entertaining channel

Just noticed this looking on NewEgg:

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147594

Says 41% off.

Is this a (((sale))) or a legit good deal?

>>61941802
In cases like these, are they using terminology properly?

Similar to how a 1TB drive is about 930GB usable, do they mean 6 threads (so a 4c8t) or 6 physical cores?

>>61942089
>Would the Ryzen 7 1700 beat out an i7 7700k for 4k?
I think that Ryzen is specifically better for video editing/animating because those programs can utilize more cores/threads.

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What do you guys think of my first build? I'm not super knowledgeable on this stuff but hopefully I chose some good parts for my first pc. Any advice appreciated. And will it handle 4k?

>>61942248
At 4k gaming they're the same, you're almost always GPU limited there. Just get the MSI Tomahawk, I haven't seen any good reviews of the PC Mate. That RAM should be fine

>>61942326
If you've got a board with good M.2 that supports it, go get it, those wacked out 990FX boards with M.2 on them tend to have issues.

>>61942326
Seems legit given the other offers they list are in the ballpark.

>>61942339
6 physical cores it seems since my Ryzens only see high usage on the even threads with that game.

>>61942358
>>61942364

I've got a z170 board, so I think I'm good.

Thanks, anons.

>>61942354
1080 ti is better for 4k
1080 dips below 60 often

>>61942354
You can do 4k but not at max detail settings and it depends on the game. You might as well go with 3200MHz RAM for not much more.

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thoughts?

Threadripper + vega64 laptop when?

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>>61942436

>>61942436
>Rig Ricer 2.jpeg

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>>61942436
That thing is beautiful.

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What is a safe voltage for a 6600k to run OC 24/7?
I'm running [email protected], 44ºC on load.

>>61942443
>Portable bomb edition

>>61942450
get out /v/igger

>>61942326
>.ca
It's $234 on the burger verison, $250 not on sale.

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>>61942574
Yes, right now a good deal in Canada is when the price approaches that of an American's.

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can someone recommend an inexpensive AM4 cooler that works natively with the AM4 clip on brackets and doesn't require some reverse engineered bracket

thanks bros

>>61942593
Just saying that 41% is non-existent

>>61942599
What? I'm Canadian, so buying on .com isn't an option.

>>61942598
AMD wraith

>>61942436
3/10 for effort. Not enough cables strangling the girls like tentacles.

>>61942598
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA68V2326642

Fair warning, apparently with AM4 you can only mount it with the fan blowing up or down, rather than towards the rear as is generally standard

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>>61942498
>muh safe space

>All this discussion of the 1070/1080

What about the RX 480? I heard it was like the ultimate poorfag card, excellent performace:price.

>>61942436
This isn't daijobu

>>61942710
No stock

>>61942710
Good like finding one for a decent price

>>61942710
they are all overpriced by at least 100 dollars, if you can even find them in stock

>>61942354

The S340 would be kino if only it was windowless. Then it would literally just be a nearly featureless black box with dope ass metal sidings and excellent airflow.

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So when minerfags sell all their 5xx and 4xx cards, what price can we expect them to drop at?

Why is Lian Li so ridiculously expensive? Are they the Apple of cases?

RAM prices are gone crazy, but SSD prices are currently stable. What happened?

>>61942827
>$100 for a featureless slab Mid Tower case
why

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>>61942619
except even the AMD Wraith requires removing the brackets from the mobo and screwing directly to the board you drooling retard

see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMn-9V3WbCw

>>61942692
most of the reviews say the AM4 mounting is janky, this is exactly what im trying to avoid. looking for something that is really designed for AM4

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>>61942827
>the Apple of cases?
Hardly, I consider Corsair the apple of cases because they're extremely mainstream, have they're own design that is attractive, and there is some sort of a price premium.

>>61942856
then you'll have to pony up for Noctua, they're pretty much the only ones who have cranked out air coolers specific for AM4 thusfar

Are AIO coolers better than air coolers? Price is no barrier for me and I want to overclock a Ryzen a little

>>61942885
No

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>>61942856
>except even the AMD Wraith requires doing a thing which lots of other perfectly good coolers require for good mounting

>>61942482
Look that up on the 6600k OC thread on overclockers or even on reddit.

Don't even know why you'd listen to any one guy here for something like that.

4.1 and 4.2 is doable on stock voltage depending on your chip. 4.3 and 4.4 is a pretty conservative OC so if it's below 1.3 and you've hammered it to make sure it's stable you're more than fine.

Read into it always though with overclocking. Don't take my word for it.

>>61942598
Gammaxx 400

>>61942827
I never saw the appeal of those cases, most are pretty hideous.

>>61942885
basically tldr

AIO coolers make temps take longer to reach higher temps

Air coolers are going to get to a higher temps faster which is what most reviewers test, short term.

>>61941355
way to go AMD, you finally beat a 6 year old processor.

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>>61942926
exactly what i needed, thank you my guy

>>61942885
generally speaking, yes, but you'll pay more for it

>>61942885
Not in most cases. AIO's advantage is looks. When you first use AIO you might think it's amazing because of such low temps but that's only because of how water works. It takes way longer to heat up than copper but it also takes longer to cool down.

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>>61941355
>games will be more simulation intensive

what did he mean by this

>>61942804
Why would you want to buy cards that have been used and abused more than your mother?

You'll likely get more bang for your buck buying the lower end of the next generations of cards and the cryptocurrency dynamic could change by then. This mining shit is so whacky you can't really know.

Wake me up when there are high end mATX boards. I'll stick with my 3570k and 980 until then.

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I give up
Buying a 1050Ti and waiting for the next gen of vidya for a proper upgrade

>CPU+cooler
>mobo
>RAM
>hard drive
>vidya
>case
>power supply

am I forgetting anything essential?

>>61943139
SSD for windows.

>>61943139
No

>>61943139
Newegg stickers for your case

>>61943139
LEDs

>>61943139
don't forget to fill every free slot on your case with overpriced RGB fans!

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>>61943207
>Not getting hideous brown fans that cost a fortune but at least are functional

>>61943229
God, their stuff is expensive and ugly as fuck, but it fucking WORKS

It's like they knew how good their shit is and they purposefully made the color scheme awful just to dare people NOT to buy it

>>61943257
Just get their industrial fans, still poo brown corners though

If my M.2 SSD is NVMe, will I have to tell the BIOS to use the PCIe lanes instead of a SATA connection? Or will it detect that automatically

>>61943139
your copy of windows 10 you dummy

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>>61943319
>He buys windows

Regarding the EVGA power supplies, if I'm to get the 550w models am I better off to just get the best one (Supernova G3) instead of the cheaper ones or are the older/"lesser" ones still adequate?

AMD deliberately raised TDP of VEGA to discourage miners from buying them in bulk and fuck up prices even more. Yes,1060/1070 are better in most aspects but,try to buy new one at RRP.
Fuck sake, no one will buy a new gpu in next 3-4 years when sea of cheap ,used (but still under warranty)4#0,5#0,GX1060-GX070hit the streets. These gpus are backbone of average gamers, not 1080ti . i know guys who bought up to 40 gpus(for crypto), and, i know a lot of them.
So, people who opted for bestbang4buck(from470 to 1060) were forced to buy 1050ti as only viable solution. Also, i really have a feeling only people that will use VEGA and Threadripper are fucking Youtubers,as if whole generation of cpus and gpus is designed only with them in mind. Fuck AMD, ill take intel jewish i7 ##00k (swaping sockets every year and miniscule upgrades per generation)and nvidia gtx 1070 gameworks bullshit any time of the day. At least i know ill be at peace for 5 fucking years no matter what.

>>61943356
Apart from being made with slightly newer/better components, G3's biggest selling point is that they pack the same wattage into a shorter-depth form factor

Which really only applies to the higher-wattage models (750 and up), so you can do a G2 instead of a G3 if you like

>>61939198
I dont use cases for 10 years now, mbo box is my case. Best part is, everything works almost 10° celsius cooler and withvthat,its more quiet( i dont know farenheit eqivalent but , its a lot), shits been tested with coolest/most expensive cases available(thanx to various friends), you just cant beat air flow of the whole room.

>>61943358
What the fuck are you ranting about you crazy faggot

>>61941790
>>61941942
thanks for the advice, made a new build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FtrnD8
I do plan on waiting for GPUs to drop in price, and unfortunately not in a place to run wires

>>61943358
Why would anyone buy threadripper if you don't need the threads? The threadripper is incredibly niche and not what the generation is gonna sell most. Depending on what you do the 1800x is already pretty fucking mega overkill and the IPC in contrast to intel is still a bit weaker. Ryzen hits a very nice sweet spot atm bridging the gap of i5 and i7 in terms of threads and cores with their improved IPC as well as the lower end i3s with their 1300 series zen.

I don't even know what you're rambling about. AMD didn't invent cryptocurrency (trump did). And Nvidia is taking advantage as well.

>>61943511
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FtrnD8
looks good desu
here's mine to compare - may not need the extra case fans

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>>61943543
I hate myself.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jR4jFd

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>>61941131
Try another pcie lane, other video out on gpu, 1 stick, other stick, swap them around in slots, maybe using wrong cable with dvi, etc.
Just add a speaker anon, it'll make things easier

>>61941151
>put in new CPU and old GPU
Anon does have a dedicated GPU.

>>61942574
234 burgers is 295 maples.

Fuck it, i'm just gonna go for a €300 1060 6GB and a pair of new headphones rather than stressing out over what card is gonna be best value in an unstable market like this.

I'm just gonna play in 1080p for the foreseeable future anyway as i don't plan on buying any new monitors.

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>>61943511
>92 dollar wireless adapter

i'm using a 12 dollar usb stick and it works fine tbqh

>>61943257
shit performance vs the good ol GTs...

Will an intel stock fan from a LGA1151 CPU (i7-7700) fit on a LGA1150 (i5-4670)? I have a spare lying around and if it fits i will get the stock fan off my friend. But if it doesn't i won't bother.

>>61943257
I bought two 120mm for my CPU cooler for push pull some 10 years ago, probably the noisiest fans i own despite running low rpm profiles, but they do still work so at least they have longevity going for them.

Upgrade to 2K or upgrade to 4K?

Need a little help here. I currently have a ASUS Prime B350 Plus and G. Skill Trident Z 32gb (4x8gb) @ 3000mhz. I updated my bios and changed the frequency and it just POST 3 times and boots on safe mode. What can I do?

>>61943964
RAM is on the QVL?

>>61943521
My CoolerMaster heat sink comes with a small syringe of thermal compound
Is it any good? Should I spend the extra few bucks on a tube of Arctic Silver instead?

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>>61944004
derrrrrp, did not mean to quote anyone with that question

>>61944004
Peak thermal difference is 1-2 degrees. If you don't have any thermal paste around, just use it. Otherwise buy a tube of arctic and use that instead so that you have spare thermal paste lying around for future use.

>>61943950
As long as 4k can't push 100+ frames then it's worthless. Even the mighty 1080 ti can't push 144 at 1440p in all games at max settings.

>>61943964
Apparently Trident Z @ 3200 only works as 2x8gb
Trident Z @ 2400 works as 4x8gb

Seems like they have memory issues on the Ryzen platforms aside from their Fortis and Flare X memory sticks.

>>61944048
>Even the mighty 1080 ti can't push 144 at 1440p in all games at max settings.
1080ti can run 144 in 1440p in all games with realistic setting. When games get inflated with retarded shit like 8xAA that makes fucking zero sense and the most minuscule of differences, then yes the mighty 1080ti can't run 144@1440p. But turn down the settings that are only eat FPS but actually make no real difference and the 1080ti easily can handle all games.

>>61943985
Where can I find the list?

>>61944186
https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf