/pcbg/ - PC Building General

What Gsync monitors does /pcbg/ recommend for pairing with a 1070?

I'd prefer to stay away from the ones using the 27" high refresh rate IPS panels, due to their bleeding edge (no pun intended) nature causing bad QC. Unless that's no longer an issue?

are any used xeons good for gaming? Is a dual xeon build with one (maybe with some extra cores from the first cpu) passed through to a windows vm a good idea?

>>61930610
I just upgraded my lame Bloomfield (i7-920, C0 stepping) with a $20 Xeon (X5650) from China.

6 cores and 12 threads at 4.6GHz is not bad at all for modern games, even with ~30% less IPC than modern architectures.

>>61930610
the old 4c/8c xeon are just I7s with more pcie lanes. So there's no reason you can't use them for gaming. the issue is finding a decently priced mobo for them. Because the main reason old xeons are cheap is because people don't have mobos to use them with and the mobos you can buy are just too expensive to justify sticking to an older generation instead of buying something or just a mainstream cpu

out of curiosity, what is the best ghetto build? based on new peripherals, the best performance per dollar. I was thinking about something like g4400/g4560 + GTX 1050/1050Ti + 8 GB of RAM on msi b150m grenade mobo.

>>61930671
>out of curiosity, what is the best ghetto build?
a used prebuilt with a good processor, then toss in a graphics card

>>61930668
My S.O.S. got digested in last thread.

Too early to ask for a consensus on vega?

>>61930682
Exactly this. Go to a salvage company or recycling center and you will find tons of old business systems just sitting around. Find one that has what you want, take a usb flash drive with linux on it and ask to test shit there.

>>61930682
this desu

you can get an i5-2400 system for like $30 and throw a 1050 in there. bam, modern games at medium to high settings.

>>61930706
housefire

>>61930706
Not many people have it but generally it has meh gaming benchmarks so far but great compute. If you do GPGPU or OpenCL stuff then they're really good. If you're just gaming then I would avoid them unless you're on Freesync

Are there any Vega benchmarks yet?

>>61930742
plenty

>>61930742
Vega 56 is roughly equivalent to a 1070 in games, Vega 64 is a bit less than a 1080 on average in games. Much higher compute on both compared to 10 series though. Also pretty high power consumption but apparently you can undervolt them and reduce power consumption quite a bit with minimal FPS impact.

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Running this on win7, is this undervolted? I'm not sure if the auto voltage feature is even supported on that OS

>>61930698
if anything, I'd spend more on the motherboard. say an MSI B350 Tomahawk or PC Mate

>>61930781
>>61930781
Also sometimes when loading up a lot of applications the system runs a bit choppy (very short audio loops and such) but i think that's because of the samsung hdd or single 8gb ram stick even though i'm not 100% sure

>>61930781
>>61930798
your cpu is heavily undervolted and underclocked.

>>61930609
I own a XB271HU and I can confirm it is quality. I did however have the same fears you did so I bought it from a store and tested it upon purchase at the store. First set came out perfect.

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>>61930795
>MSI B350
Thank you, updated with monitor and already purchased pieces.

Built with the pieces available to me in Italy, prices really different from the US in extremely enigmatic ways.

I am probably overbudget by 200-300$, is there some alternative to what I selected that allows me to spend a little less? Sadly I need to buy it now, so can't wait for gpu prices to go down more...

>>61930884
>>61930884
You sure? Those are the factory settings afaik, i didn't change a thing

Anyways what are some good settings to throw in via ryzen master which don't make me lose my warranty or at least make it likely i won't have to use said warranty in the first place

>>61930964
>>61930964
Or is it just enough when i set the profiles manually via the msi gaming app/windows power schedule options? I don't really feel comfortable changing shit in the UEFI and afaik it doesn't make any difference where you change it from

>>61930964
Don't set your CPU Vcore above 1.35V, don't set SoC voltage above 1.15V. Should be fine with that, you can probably crank memory voltage up to 1.3V-1.5V if you want, DDR4 can handle that just fine.

>>61930981
>>61930981
Yeah i think i read somewhere that faster memory makes ryzen werk faster too or something

Thing is i have the stock cooler on that thing so i don't want to stress it too much either so that it lasts me for a couple years down the road at the very least without me having to change the cooler or thermal paste every other month

>>61931025
The two 4-core complexes at the heart of Ryzen (or 4 with Threadripper) connect via what AMD calls "Infinity Fabric", which runs at the same (base) speed of your RAM
So faster RAM means your processor works better/faster with multitasking and/or multi-threaded programs

>>61930781
that happend to me with an asus mobo because have a bios bug when oc

>>61930671
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FmRHyf

>>61931108
This is a breathtakingly bad build, but also quite impressive for just over $400

>>61930610
>>61930653
is there a list i can compare somewhere? which ones wouldnt bottleneck a vega?

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>>61931108
>$15 logisys psu

So I'm not really keeping up with the news, is anything gonna change in the lower end gpu market now that vega has released?

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Digits say €550 by next week

What ram should I get for my i7 7700k, Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 5

>>61931435
look at the motherboard qvl

unsure on this build
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2tRHyf
>budget: around $1500 AUD
>monitor: currently is some dell 1080p 60hz thing that i'm fine with
>software: often playing arma 3 and PUBG and running VM's
I would also like it to be very quiet if possible

I've heard that the Samsung evo 960 has heat dissipation problems. Does anyone actually run into that?

>>61931224
it's pretty hard to get gaming benchmarks for old xeon cpus.

Anyone have an idea how the Seasonic Focus Plus series is compared to the recommended /g/ EVGA G2 and G3 PSUs?

I found some reviews but none really pointed out that many negatives

>>61931592
They're solid from what I've read

Thoughts on the gigabyte take on the 1080? It's one of the cheaper ones out there

>>61931592
They're good. Everyone knows seasonic is a better oem than superflower though you can't go wrong with either

>>61931592
you can blindly trust any of the seasonic cpus currently available. But they do tend to be on the more expensive side.

>>61931604
>>61931712
>>61931718
thanks guys, only thing I'm iffy about is the warranty. I'll buy it anyway though

fugged up and got a corsair cx PSU when it was on sale - after read tons of anons say it's a POS and don't want to use it in my new build - this better? What's a dec PSU that I won't have to worry about dying on me?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y88H99/evga-supernova-g3-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0650

What's the consensus on seagate HDDs. I keep seeing conflicting reviews about them failing after a few months.

Are HGST He6 HDDs supposed to be really fucking loud?
I recently got a bunch of 6TBs in "like new" condition (<20 starts) and there are two issues on all of them: clicks on idle every few seconds and extremely loud seeks. Not even my 10yo samsungs make that much noise and vibration.
Smart is fine and HGST tool does not detect any issues, during long linear operations they are quiet enough.

>>61930932
1080 is overkill for a 1080p 60hz monitor
1050ti/1060 3gb (6gb are still way overpriced)

why are some anons against VR? They're literally frothing from hate hoping it will fail.

Is anyone running ryzens on windows 8.1? Any problems?

>>61931968
I'm mostly interested in video editing more than ultra vidya settings. Still overkill? Is it reasonable to roll back the GPU to a 1050ti and keep the other components as they are? thx

>>61932046
(also using 3d graphics & engines, maya unreal engine etc..)

>>61932024
>Is anyone running ryzens on windows 8.1? Any problems?
>windows 8.1
either use windows 7 or windows 10, go away with this fucking bullshit. nobody cares about windows 8, nobody wants to make drivers for it, it shouldn't exist

>>61932137
rude

2133 C14 or 2400 C16? Same price. Which specs suggest higher quality RAM and/or OC headroom?

>>61931476
Looks pretty good anon.

If you plan on running VMs while gaming you might want to consider the 1700 instead and the 6GB 1060, other than that you're good.

Will a 1070 cut the mustard at 1440p?

>>61932164
rip in peace anon

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>>61931476
Depending on the size of your VMs you might want 32gb of ram. I found the larger ram capacity very useful for my virtualization tasks

>>61931879
The EVGA G3 series is excellent, would recommend. Most Seasonic PSUs are good too.

Is this a good budget build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRrWhq

>>61931879
EVGA and SeaSonic are the gold standards for power supplies these days

how much static pressure should a case fan have if I want to use it to pull air through a mesh dust filter?

I'm thinking about water cooling eventually because my computer has always run hot, I'd gotten a CM Storm Trooper years ago because my friend had been singing it's praises constantly to me, it's paired with a thermaltake frio for the cpu right now. Should I change my case and cpu cooler when I upgrade up to a gtx 1070/80 and a 7600k/7700k, or just go ahead with water cooling on this case?

>>61932984
If that turned out good, may I copy yours?

When building a PC do you need to install some kind of custom bootstrapping program? e.g. like BIOS

>>61933124
superflower and corsair would like to have a word with you

superflower even fucking makes the evgas

>>61933283
You specify the boot order for your connected devices and as long as one of them is bootable you're set

>>61933283
The BIOS comes pre-installed on your motherboard
When you're powering on for the very first time, you'll need to go into the BIOS and tell it to boot from whatever installation media you're using for your OS (usually, this will be your optical drive)

And then after you have finished installing Windows, for example, you'll need to go into boot on your next startup and have it point to your C drive instead

>>61933295
I'm aware that Super Flower is behind the EVGA models
But can you even buy just plain Super Flower in the US?

>>61930570
I built my pc, and now I need a cable modem and router to run my network.

I have 200down/10up mbps Internet from comcast for $49.99 and I want Gigabit Lan on the router for file transfer between computers. I would like to keep things under $200 total, but less is better.

Any recomendations on good brands and models?

Is there a reason why an old computer can not display the S2417DG?

I tried hooking it up to 3 different PCs through displayport and it won't recognize. One only recognized it as "Display on VGA" and it still won't work

R9 380 ded
Thinking about grabbing a 1060 to replace it. Now I don't really care if it's an improvement or not since I was very happy with my 380, but I'm not going to see a drop in performance am I? I don't play really new games if that matters.

>>61933573
Why not get a 580?

>>61933633
I don't really keep up with GPU's, I just grab one every few years when I need to.
Are you saying a 560 would be more in line with my old card? I was looking at the 1060 because it seemed to tick all the boxes but I see the 560 is way, way cheaper.

Main gaming/work pc died, am on shit pc right now.

i have a 1000w psu and that's all, i don't need a case.

I want the extra performance of the new threadripper cpus but don't really want to shill out for that much.
The build has to be done by friday though

>>61933794
Do you mind overclocking, or do you want it stock fast right out of the box

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>>61933357
>he installs his OS from an optical drive
>he thinks you need to change the bios settings after installing the OS

ignore this anon, he obviously hasn't built shit in the past 5+ years

>>61933283
put your OS on a USB stick - this is the modern way to do it, plenty of instructions online. put in the USB stick, boot up, and follow the onscreen instructions. the BIOS may notify you that you need to tell it where to boot to (and give you a menu) or it may just handle it automatically. either way it's intuitive with an IQ above 50

>>61933811
don't mind overclocking, however the ludicrous amount of cores on the threadripper series could be very useful to me.

I have a cabinet i'm going to mount a plastic panel to and mount the motherboard onto that. It's on wheels and the whole pc can easily be taking out of it.
I am planning to watercool the CPU and GPU, altho not custom, will be AIO loops, since i don't want to deal with any more complications. Have had good experience with AIO loops

Shit's gonna be cash senpai

>>61933854
If you can wait a few weeks, the Threadripper 1900X is supposed to be launching at around $600

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>>61933794
desu you should just figure out what part "died" and replace it if you need to get back online quick. if there was some mysterious full system death i'd be EXTREMELY wary of reusing the PSU that was a party to that

but without knowing much about your use case if you are within the huge part of the gaming+work bell curve an R5 1500x should be more than enough especially if you're gonna OC. it's literally right there in the OP tbqh

open your mouth, here comes the spoon:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3556936

>>61930638
30% is fucking nothing

>>61933876
unfortunately can't wait beyond friday.

>>61933886
this is a new psu, i thought the old psu was causing problems, turned out it was the motherboard, then after applying new thermal paste i accidentally tightened the screws too much and somehow made 3/4 ram slots die..

Sold the rest of the pc and the monitor to a friend.
Making a build on ppp, should be done soon.

thanks for the link senpai but it's not powerful enough, gonna need 8cores minimum and atleast 32gb of ram to start with

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>>61930570
By how bad is my 6400 the weak link?

I didn't realize I messed up until after gather parts over the last year and finally building this

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They shipped these in the dumbest fashion possible.

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>>61934006
i don't get it

cp :nissan haven

Can anyone recommend a good monitor?

Looking at 1080p gaming, have a 1060 6gb

>>61934028
I want one aswell, sold my old one today. thinking of going 1440p as 4k doesn't seem worth it when i'm also going to game on it.
Why not get a 1440p too?

cp:shadyridge descartes

>>61934077

I'm just thinking of cost, I'm not sure if I'd be gaming at 1440p, so 1080p would do me. But if I found a good deal then sure I'd go for higher.
Just unsure of what's good. Hopefully someone can push us in the right direction.

>>61934103
a good monitor could last several builds senpai.

>>61934110
True, but I've just spend a lot on a new build, so I'm not looking for spend too much more.

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>>61934024

>>61934136
is your build complete if the main component your senses are actually going to interact with doesn't do the rest justice? bite the bullet mang and enjoy your vidya

>>61931892
they're back to being good quality stuff again

Of these 3 monitors, which one is the best? Not sure if I should go for one of the lower frequency IPS ones or the TN 144hz one.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2bL7YJ/lenovo-li2364d-230-71hz-monitor-65c8kcc1us
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dnbkcf/lg-24mp59g-p-238-1920x1080-75hz-monitor-24mp59g-p
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZBZ2FT/aoc-monitor-g2460pf

>>61934173
True, I'd like a decent monitor, but I'd be ok with that being a good 1080p one. I don't want trash, just don't want to spend unnecessarily.

>>61934151
kek

>>61934238
i can't see where it says if it's a TN or IPS panel..
I've had a TN gaming panel before, the high refresh rate is nice but fuck are the colors disgusting, avoid TN like the plague senpai. pretty sure you can get a IPS high-fps panel, though they are not cheap

cp ;extra volvo

https://m.newegg.ca/products/N82E16824160278

Any thoughts on that monitor for 4k gayming

>>61931410
Seems like a couple of vendors (at least in Sweden) are cutting the price on that card and its single fan counterpart.

I'm worried they have a defect or something, i know a lot of G1 cards has suffered from coil whine in the past but i can't seem to find anyone complaining about the 1080 model.

Which mobo should I pick for a ryzen 7 1700? I heard that high clock rams are better, is a ddr4 3k enough? Also, is a 500 psu enough for it? I'll upgrade to a gtx 1070 soon

>>61934381
What games do you want to play at 4k and do you have the power to do so?

Can't see refresh rate anywhere

cp;stop peter

>get a new ITX case and a ITX mobo
>swap parts
>boot loop
>OK, i just need an older CPU to boot into and update
>boot loop
>well, fuck, the mobo was just 30€ and I'll return it, I'll just wait and get new CPU+mobo+RAM
>OK, let's put the parts to the other case with the older mobo
>doesn't boot, not event boot loop

Fuck me. I binned two pins when swapping parts, but fixed them being carefully and now it doesn't boot. I guess I'll just wait since I'll be able to get an 1700, itx mobo and fast ram in two weeks or so, and play light games with my chinkpad x250.

What are some stuff I should do to check what did I fuck? Maybe I just fucked the front panel, thought it only has Power Switch, HDD led and Power Led.
Also, while I was fixing the two pins, I found a third one that has been binned since always, but it somehow worked. Should I just bin it again, like, maybe it will work like that.

>>61934381
You can get it for 300$ from best buy, seems solid.

>>61932690
They have the same absolute latency, so get the one clocked higher.

>>61934542
serves you right for falling for the iTX meme

>>61932690
Is it for a Ryzen system? I'd get at least 2666, regardless of latency

>>61933876
>If you can wait a few weeks, the Threadripper 1900X is supposed to be launching at around $600
There isn't really any point in getting the 1900x unless you just want the PCI-e lanes, since it has 8c/16t just like 1800x.

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on ram timings? Do they even matter?

This is my build from mid-2015, though I just upgraded from a 970 to a 1070.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZwWPr7
Planning on upgrading CPU/RAM sometime next year, maybe around spring. Are there any new line of processors or anything I should know about that are releasing next year?

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>>61934389
Not even a mere 9 hours ago the msi geforce gtx 1070 armor that I was after only cost 370 pounds.

Now it costs 440 pounds. Fuck my fucking life.

Not building a PC, but purchasing a laptop instead. Are the E-series thinkpads reliable enough for day-to-day office use? We currently have a E570 and it works pretty well, but im wondering if there are better alternatives for the $700-800 CAD price point.

>>61934003
Well, it's not GREAT, but since you're limited to 60Hz anyway it isn't too bad.

>>61934708
not sure, but i do know you have to set them manually in the bios

>>61934736
>pounds
stop being from britcuckistan

>>61934708
They don't matter that much, memory clock speed is more important, although if you can find memory at the same speed and price but with lower latency you should get that one.

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is this true?

>>61934708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency#Memory_timing_examples
absolute latency is the key

>>61934757
Not even from there. I live in Ireland and the prices for components here for pcs are through the roof, mostly because the Irish people are stupid and don't check prices anywhere else. So I have to buy from britbongistan.

Still, fairly pissed that in 9-10 hours the prices went up by €75. Pisses me off to no end. This was going to be my first PC too.

>>61934798
this needs updating with the new RGB nonsense

>>61934736
Might as well go 1080 with prices like that, even the shittiest 1080 is way better than any 1070.

>TFW didn't buy new GTX 1080 for ~$400 on Slickdeals a fee months ago
>Vega 64 is shit
I could maybe swing a Sapphire Nitro Vega 56 and Nixeus EDG27 (27" IPS, 2560x1440, 144hz with freesync range from 30-144) - Only 400ish and great specs, only free sync monitor of its kind

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C92ZYr

Is the fractal design cooler better in that size?

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hola lads, just finished my build last night. today i have to start her up, get bios done and install an OS.
>recommend an OS
>how to use the free win 10 from microsoft doot com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ?

>>61934496
Games it will be most likely fps's like the new wolfestein maybe destiny 2 if my oc can handle it I have an r5 1600 and a 1080 ti

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>>61934887

>>61934901
GET THAT SHITTY PENGUIN OUT

GET IT OUT

>>61934887
the microsoft thing needs preinstalled windows to work, i think

>>61934914
Gno

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>>61934887

>>61934915
crap

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>>61934928
NO NO NO NO

NO

>>61934942
buy a cheap windows 7/8/8.1 key from reddit and use the windows thing to upgrade -worked for me

>>61932894
>>61933124
thanks guys, updated and reposing
muh ram went on sale this morning - exciting
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VgrPr7

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>>61934961
i have heard that this free upgrade restricts you from some customization?

>>61934947
Are you okay, anon? I got a red hat for you, if you need some shade from the sun.

>>61934542
this is my current one https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/LZWjFd
and this would be what I will get https:// es.pcpartpicker.com/list/3F4wsJ

note that the psu actually is a shitty approx one

>>61934887
You can use the downloaded installer, just put it on a usb and then buy a code online

>>61935100
what do you mean the downloaded installer?
an online download of win7/8?

Any new CPU releases coming next year? planning on upgrading from a 4460 next year
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZwWPr7

>>61935131
Just create the media from the link you posted, that's fine. You can fresh install windows 10 no problem.

>>61932137
Well fine then, anyone running ryzens on windows 7?

>>61935160
oh, ok thanks m8

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>>61934151
This was a good deal.

>>61934989
i have not experienced any restrictions, dunno why that would be true either. Maybe you're thinking of the home vs pro versions, if that's the case just buy a pro key on reddit

>>61935195
Just google how it's done and ask again if you need help. Search "fresh install windows 10", it's done a lot.

>>61935099
haven't heard too good things about biostar. isn't it going to get overheated in that tiny case?

>>61935144
>Any new CPU releases coming next year
can't tell if joking or not

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>>61935234
thats Good trash
thanks again

>>61935220
i don't get it

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>>61934886

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>>61935280
Walmart had a sort of flash deal/liquidation/price error where they sold like 5 24" LG IPS panel monitors with full VESA out of the box for like $42. I bought 3 of them. They arrived today. They're nice.

Which version of Windows 10 should I go for? Pro?

Is Vega poop?

>>61934798
of course it is.
Also, make sure to convert all your music library from lossy mp3 to lossless flac in order to stop decremental quality loss over the years

>>61935309
depends on what youre doing with the computer?
you can use google docs for almost anything youd use word,pp,excel for

>>61935325
Depends how you look at it.

A year late, runs hot, priced the same as its competition. Bad drivers currently. The meme is real.

Vega 64 is shit and a 1080 is better.
Vega 56 is better than a 1070, slightly.

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>>61934886

>>61935325
It's certainly not great, but it's not really THAT bad.

>Ryzen

Enjoy those segfaults

>>61935293
We don't know :(

>>61934886
>this build
If you're spending this much, why not get Threadripper?

>>61934886
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C92ZYr
you have no case listed but the one mentioned is very popular. i dont have one myself i use >>61934887
picrelated

What's the estimated price for the i5 8400?

>>61935344
>comparing rotational velocidensity to a stupid meme

>>61934886
↓
>>61935438
why not an SSD while were at it?

I'm considering switching to a i7 4790k from my i5 4670k. Is it still worth getting in 2017 for roughly $350? (Not going for newer gens because got a ram upgrade only a month ago and don't want to have to buy a new motherboard and ddr4)

What should I look for in a good 1080p monitor?

>>61930570
Is the Oculus as good as the Vive?

>>61935441
>6 core intel jewery
$350

>>61935469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

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:^)

>>61935486
frequency

>>61935501
>poocolor
>housefire
>reference

>>61935438
i want to cut spending where i can, any suggestions?
also threadripper would increase the price of the build by 40%~

>>61935471
forgot to mention that i do have a SDD i plan to use, these other drives are just some extra i needed

>>61935439
not gonna use a case senpai

>>61935511
There is literally nothing wrong with PowerColor.

>>61935490
no, the vive is objectively better.(price aside)

>>61935566
What about my other points of contention?

Zotac and PowercColor aren't very popular in the USA.

>>61935479
do you need the extra power now?

>>61935501
Hot

Will I bottleneck a 1080ti with a Ryzen 1700 (overclocked to 3.8-3.9)?

Mix of 1440p @144 and 4k @60

>>61935486
IPS, TN doesn't look good.

>>61935594
Good luck get an aftermarket Vega. Also, reference cards aren't a problem with proper cooling and power.
>>61935608
Why are richfags so stupid?

>>61935243
the other alternative is an Asus or Gigabyte one with some red colors and fewer USB ports. I just wanted as black and plain as possible, but well. Didn't I see a lot of ITX boards on the last CES or something like that?

>>61935600
Yeah, I've started getting into 3d rendering a lot lately and felt like an upgrade was necessary

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Which PSU's should I avoid like the plague?

>>61935479
Well, since you want to keep the same platform, it isn't like you have other choices? The 4790k has very respectable performance, but I'd say it's a bit overpriced at $350. I'd recommend seeing if you can find a used one.

I just built a new pc with basically the standard (r5 1600 / 16gb ram ) with the 1060gb.

I run windows 10 and re-enabled windows 7's photo viewer because the photos app is a piece of shit. The problem is that win 7 photo viewer somehow has a startup lag of ~5 seconds which i find incredibly annoying, and the other computer i did this to does not have the lag (i7 laptop)

both have ssd's running the os/viewer and are trying to access images on a WD caviar blue 1tb, the difference being that the laptops is a 5400rpm 2.5 while the desktops is a 7200 3.5

is there any possible reason for this?

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>>61935565
>Is the fractal design cooler better in that size?
read as fractal design color

>>61935787
Alright I'll see if I can find a better deal, thanks anon

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>>61935372
the thing is vega64 is actually going to eat into the 1070 market and vega56 is going to go after the 1060 market. Once the prices settle and especially when the mining craze goes into hibernation for a while

Also mining will in the long term be good for us, games just aren't pushing technology anymore, the triple A industry is a trainwreck, there are too few releases and they suck. If you have people buying 50 or 60 cards every generation that's a hell of a lot of eventual ebay listings. There could be a cheap hardware golden age coming where the minefags keep having to upgrade to be competitive and we keep getting their old stuff. Or even if you don't want their old stuff manufacturing should eventually ramp up to compensate.

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>>61935565
>not gonna use a case senpai
?

>>61935829
>windows 7's photo viewer
http://www.irfanview.com/

>>61930609
the Dell S2716DG is pretty good

>>61935877
i see it as: gpu manufactures will make special overpriced cards for the miningfags and the rest of us can still eat shit

ive been jewed for the LAST FUCKING TIME, I really want to buy ryzen but in the past amd cpus have given me nothing but shit.

All cores utilized? great performance
theres a FUCKING CATCH
none of these fucking applications or games use all goddamn cores, they eat up the whole core 0 then do FUCK ALL

Im wondering if i should just replace mobo and switch to intel later since amd will never give up on the cores meme.

Tell me it aint so, and im wrong and that ryzen is actually good /pcbg/ despite the history of amd cpus.

>>61935886
read >>61933854

>>61935372
>>61935877
>all these shills

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>>61935927
you are retarded if you think that's AMD jewing you and not the fault of the terrible indian devs that wrote whatever trash software you are using that isn't multithreaded in current_year

unless you have some very special case that requires you to use vista-era software heavily, ryzen is fucking fantastic. just about every piece of popular software multithreads great these days

>>61935927
>Tell me it aint so, and im wrong and that ryzen is actually good /pcbg/ despite the history of amd cpus.
It is good. Look at reviews. Since you care about games, pay careful attention to minimum framerates i5s get compared to r5s. Even the single-threaded performance is good. Not as good as Intel's k-skus because of the lower frequency, but certainly competitive.

How would timings and speed affect the ram if I added identical 2x8gb kit later? I read something about there not being a single 32gb kit that has been able to hit 3200mhz

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tbQMkT
downgraded the memory to save money, dunno what else to downgrade, i do feel very uncomfortable picking lesser parts but money

>>61936026
it should be possible, i'm just seeing 4x kits and thinking that might be the best option in the long rund

>>61935887
>shitfranviewer

>>61935504
120hz enough? Or do I go 144hz meme?

>>61936081
You should try harder

>>61935771
The ones without good certification.

>>61936128
>uses the worst image browser
>gets recommended the best image browser
>chooses the worst image browser

>>61936178
help me

>>61936221
>worst image browser
>not photos app in win10

also the irfan people wrote it in such a way that it mangles gifs by playing them 100x too fast if they haven't written the framespeed in in a certain way and refuse to fix it when asked

>>61936235
you only start getting around "good PC range" at $5k

>>61936277
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QpsPr7
2,7k, could cut a bit more off i'm sure but don't think i'll ever get up to 5k, that seems like a fake number

>>61935771
Noname shit and Corsair CX series.
Just get an EVGA G2/G3 (Superflower OEM) or Seasonic OEM PSU. Modularity, gold+ efficiency is good.

>>61936315
What the fuck are you even going to do with this? If this is not bait that is.

>>61936395
programming/gaming/video editing/large data processing
the extra harddrives are for storage

>>61931476
all is good anon

but how much does a 6gb 1060 go for? i'd go for that instead if the premium isn't too high

>>61936001
How am I shilling you retard?

>>61935877
How will Vega 64 eat into 1070 market when it's 1080 priced with less performance? Same for the Vega 56 competing with the 1060 because of pricing, at MSRP. At least the 56 performs slightly better than its competitor.

As a matter of fact the MSRP on 1070s is actually less than 399 USD.

399 for Vega 56 - 1070 tier perf
499 for Vega 64 - 1080 tier perf but not even

What did you mean by this?

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Gonna head to bed, reply to my build and i'll check out the response in the morning!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QpsPr7

>>61936577
Get faster ram.

>>61936577
>1800X
>quad channel memory

Is there a know bug with MSI Mortar 350 MBs?
I just got mine and this shit does not save my bios settings, it keeps resetting every single poweroff.
Could be just the battery (but this shit is brand new and battery last like 5 years), maybe MB is faulty?

>>61936577
ur gay

my stock case PSU i creating a lot of heat, and some folks said that a higher efficiency psu 80+ would/could reduce the heat. is that true? If not how can I lower the heat comming from the PSU?

I just bricked my msi mobo thanks to fucking msi live update. How is a shit program like this still recommend by them chinksectoids FUCK

>>61936807
>some folks said that a higher efficiency psu 80+ would/could reduce the heat. is that true?
Yes. In fact, if you have a PSU that DOESN'T have 80+ certification of some kind, replacing it ASAP would be advisable in any case.

>>61936852
Chinked

>>61936852
I did my two mobo updates manually with no issues.

MSI site -> mobo page -> driver update file -> USB -> Reboot -> m-flash -> wait

I'm going to be getting some income pretty soon, and I'm seriously considering building a rig for some of the newer vidya out there. Though thinking on it if it costs more to make a rig to play current generation games why not just get a console? I'm not a graffix fag, so looking better isn't really justification for me. Mods seem appealing, but if I need mods to just enjoy a game then it must not be a good game to begin with that's not worth my time.

>>61936923
Tought this was faster. Never trusting chink shit again. guess we rma now

>>61936948
A good PC now will last a lot longer than a console ever will.

Compare libraries, specifically exclusives, and consider non-gaming tasks you can do or will be enhanced by a better computer.

How do i update chipset drivers?

>>61937000
Also as a small rule of thumb, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I needed my first mobo update to get my RAM running at 3000MHz with A-XMP, non-negotiable.
My most recent update was because the update notes mentioned faster post times, so I'm posting in 15 seconds instead of 20. Not really worth it.

>>61934798
No, spend money wisely.
Fucking heatsinks in ram are the worst kind of meme.

>>61935501
absolute madman

>>61932984
i'd get a 1050, cheaper and better. or a 1050 ti.

>>61937026
I'll remember thx anon

>>61936948
>Mods seem appealing, but if I need mods to just enjoy a game then it must not be a good game to begin with that's not worth my time.
At least in my view mods aren't for making bad games enjoyable, they're for making good games even better and giving them more replay value.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgVZYr

hi, any tips? i just wanna the best.

Wait for coffee lake or go Kaby?

>>61932984
Budget build for what? Gaming? Office? Production?

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>>61937117
>Intel i7 7700K

>>61937117
>nearly $5k build
>platinum rated PSU
Pleb. You'll want 80+ titanium rated unit based on Seasonic or superflower platform, I'd recommend Seasonic PRIME titanium.

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>>61936777

a lot of the new B350 boards have issues that are getting fixed in new BIOS releases. did you update the BIOS?

Asus has released BIOS updates for my Strix B350 practically weekly

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Why did Vega turn out to be so shit, guys?

I don't want a 1 year old card for my new PC.

>>61937005
By the time the current gen of consoles is dead I'm sure I'm going to be tired of vidya, and I don't use my computer for non-vidya, non-porn, non-shitposting on 4chan reasons.

>>61937089
Are more mods like Jagged Alliance 2's 1.13 mod, that makes a great game even better or are most mods like Oblivion's anything mod that makes a shit game slightly less shit.

>>61935666
Ugh, I just tried to turn on the PC without touching anything and it just werks, I guess the cmos or whatever was being a cuck.

So, another question not very relaed. Should I try to sell my i5 4460 and get something that consumes way less and build a home server/seedbox with it? The server would be basically https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/LZWjFd but without the GPU, maybe 8GB of RAM and no SSD.

>>61937220
You will have to chose a one year old nvidia or a new but one year old performance from AMD because volta only comes next year.

>>61937142
How badly would have 7700k been beaten if 1700 was overclocked.

so now that Vega is basically not a good option all things considered and that board partner cards are confirmed to be non-existent, is it still worth getting a freesync monitor for a 1070? realistically, how much worse is it when playing without variable sync vs with variable sync on a 1440p 144hz monitor?

>>61937243
>By the time the current gen of consoles is dead I'm sure I'm going to be tired of vidya
Then you'll still be stuck with the stuff, and good luck getting even half of it back.

>>61937243
>Are more mods like Jagged Alliance 2's 1.13 mod, that makes a great game even better or are most mods like Oblivion's anything mod that makes a shit game slightly less shit.
I wouldn't know, I generally don't go looking for mods for games I don't like. Mostly, I think, it's a factor of how popular the game is and how easy it is to mod. Bethesda games are popular and easily moddable, so they naturally get tons of mods. And of course, old games tend to accumulate more mods over time, so something like Morrowind or VtM: Bloodlines has plenty of mods, some of them even good.

>>61937312
Dunno. they never tested that.

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What do you guys think of my first build? I'm not super knowledgeable on this stuff but hopefully I chose some good parts for my first pc. Any advice appreciated.

>>61937464
There's a link at the top of the parts list for sharing too.

Consider now how you want to route your S340 fans. It comes with 2x120mm mounted rear/top exhaust. I ended up moving my top to a front intake.

>>61937142

seems legit

>>61930570
So is it realistically feasible to try and build a pc for $500 that could play a heavily modded rimworld or starbound or eu4 without shitting itself? I tend to get about 10 fps at most on max speed with eu4 with this laptop.

>>61937731
Sure as long as you get a good CPU and enough RAM you should be fine with those games.

Still running a phenom x4 965 and my 1060 will arrive friday, how bad is the bottleneck

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Are there any affordable cases these days made of solid steel? I want a big, heavy, beefy monster case.

>>61937805
You actually don't, but think you do. And that's okay.

>>61935829
>>61936258
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jpegview/files/jpegview/ or
https://nomacs.org/
brotip: the last one, although is nice gave my bsod some years ago

>>61937397
>>61937386
Bottom line is I want something that can specifically play
>Fallout New Vegas
>Dark Souls 3
>Dragon's Dogma
>Ghost Recon Wildlands

>>61937773
Nigger what are you doing? You're bottlenecked like the only toilet in India. Get a Ryzen or something shit.

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>1050 vs 1050ti
Am I wrong for thinking the 1050 is a better deal for price to performance ratio?

>>61935490
I've used both and own the Oculus. Only because it was $400 cheaper. The touch controllers are nice, but lack the touchpad. Not sure the analog stick is an adequate replacement.

The built in headphones of the Rift are really nice, not an audiophile or anything, they sound fine, it's mainly just one less cable to get tangled up. Putting on the Vive and then putting on headphones is kinda annoying. Also, the Vive lighthouse tracking system seems much better. In order to get a similar setup with the Rift, you need a buttload of USB ports. Annoying, that. If price were no object and I had wireless headphones, I would've gone with the Vive. But it is and I don't, so Oculus.

Anyway, they're both about the same. Get whichever one is more affordable.

>>61937218
>did you update the BIOS?
Yes, latest version (A60) post AGESA 1.06 from this very month.
Also, just changed the battery, done a complete poweroff but bios persisted (which was kinda weird) but I'll have more info tomorrow after 8-10 hours off.
Couldn't even set my RAM to 3200 (QVL).
I now feel bad for those early adopters, shit's messy

>>61937026
>try AXMP on stock bios
>doesnt work
>update bios
>try AXMP again, does not work
>post time decreased from 30sec to 15sec
Last one was nice, tho

>>61937455
I can do 35fps 4-5Mbps 1080p on 1700 stock 2133mhz, at --slower.

>>61938082
I don't know but I'm satisfied with mine.

Granted I'm not a huge-on gamer yet, coming from a GT 630 there was nothing to lose.
The passmark averages for the 1050 and 1050ti are 4407 and and 5744, respectively.
My 1050 (with R5 1600) benched around 6.5k, what?

So in my case, barring the 2GB less of RAM I do believe I got a better deal.

What's the best value chip in the Ryzen lineup, m

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>>61938126
AMD Ryzen 5 1600

>>61938161>>61938161

>>61938161>>61938161

NEW

>>61937773
I had 1055T and that shit was bottlenecking my GTX960.
So yeah, you're probably 10-15fps behind of what you could reach even at "sub 75fps" ultra or some shit.
I understand that you don't have the >>NEED<< of upgrade, but as soon as you can, do it.
I just personally did 'cuz mobo died after 7,5years of 16h/day of work. PII 1055T+16GB is alive tho as an office computer now.

>>61938164
>/shitposting/ general

Nah.

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>don't normally browse /g/
>check out this thread just to see if there's anything i should upgrade, look at my hardware specs
>while checking my 144hz monitor i realize it has been running on 60hz since 2015 when i bought it

JUST

>>61938311
Sasuga placebo

>>61938311
>tfw bought an R5 1600 and still rarely use more than 2 dedicated cores

So I only know the basics what part is what. How do I catch up with quicky learning hardware to stay up to date?

>>61938356
Unless you have a specific reason to, you don't need to stay up to date.

Get up to date with the now, pick your parts, and build it.

of course a single card vega came back in sale when i was sleeping

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>>61937773
nigga reevaluate your life priorities

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for an exhaust fan with corsair carbide 400c, am I better off with 2 120mms or 1 140mm up top? (max 3 120's or 2 140's on top)

is there anything else to consider in a processor other than clock speed and number of cores when it comes to performance?

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>>61937773
Don't do it friend.

>>61938082
Nah, the 1050ti is kind of overpriced due to being the best GPU you can have that can run on PCI-e power alone.

6 cores are sufficient but I hate having numbers that are not powers of 2
Buy 8 cores just to have a nice round number?

>>61938661
(You) mean 4 right?

>>61938683
4 is a bit tight with VMs and IDEs running

>>61938510
reeeeespond pls

I also use full-disk encryption on everything so 1 core is usually busy with that.

>>61938661
nigga what just buy a damn cpu that fits your needs not your autism

are there sites that list CPU's based on bottlenecking of a GPU you pair it with?

i know logicalincriments has tiers but i would prefer to see the actual data, or know which specific data points will let me know without needing LI or others

also is there other sites like game-debate which list the ACTUAL hardware requirements to run a game at recommended settings vs the overbloated "developer recomended hardware"

>>61938764
Can you start by telling us YOUR definition of a bottleneck?

>>61938551
Kek

>>61938777

a cpu that doesnt limit the GPU, dumbass

for CPU intensive video games

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>>61930781
I've had this aswell, I'm not sure what causes this.

what used xeon should i pair with a 1080 or vega?

I just got my case.

Would anybody be interested in a build strearm? It's my first time and I'm sure I'll probably fuck it up somehow

>>61938970
ill watch it

>>61938962
is Xeon E3-1231v3 good?

>>61931970
several reasons, cost and space requirement being one and preferring to sit down and relax when playing with minimal setup time.
I have a Vive HMD myself, it is an interesting piece of technology but not comfortable enough to play long sessions with.
Very uncomfortable to lay in a bed/couch with if you want to chill and watch some movies in a virtual theatre.
Weight and size is a factor as well, it isn't light enough yet to forget you are wearing it.
I find myself using traditional monitor far more since it is so much quicker and simpler (you just slide in your chair and at most put on a pair of headphones), however the major factor for not using it much is the lack of exciting content really.

>>61938949
>>61930781

did you do the "auto boost" OC from the motherboard bios?

MSI has a "gaming" mode that fucked my clocks and voltages and cut my cinebench in half.

>>61935355
what the fuck does this have to do with anything you goddamn tard
>>61935309
Pro and dont activate or get a key for 20$
Basic and home editions have no group policy editors so you cant kill or defer windows updates.

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>>61935309
nigger get Windows 10 LTSB and don't even listen for a second to anyone that says otherwise

it's corporate windows without the bloatware or forced updates. works fine for gaming. only downside is there is no legitimate way to get it other than having MSDN so use your imagination

>>61937561
OK thanks btw you think I could fit a kraken x62 or x52?

>>61937561
Also will it be able to handle 4k?

I'm scared.

How long until the miners start buying up all of the GTX 1050s?

>>61938352
>tfw bought r7 1700 and still rarely use more than 2 dedicated cores
Kinda, I do encode sometimes

>>61938452
>sum CFM
>noise
>price
>maybe LEDs
>???

what's a good replacement card for my radeon 9250?

>>61942014
Obligatory
>tfw bought a 1950x and still rarely use more than 2 dedicated cores

But with my 1600, I can at least not worry about my CPU holding me back again (much). I came from a Phenom 9750, and anything would make it tremble.

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>>61942061
Oh, I came from Phenom II X6 1055T, m8.
Nice upgrade indeed

>>My ideal workstation PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MBFqFd

Is there any way I could refine this, like price, or etc.?

>>61943195
fuck hold on, forgot power supply

>>61942026
sorry anon here's a quick rundown --
corsair AF140 stock in front, 1 AF120 in back
was planning on adding 2 more AF140's, 1 intake and 1 exhaust
this sound about right?
build -
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jR4jFd