git mining niggers i hope you all die

>>61936085
meant to say git fucked mining niggers

>>61936085
You forgot to mention the gold standard for mining the RX 580 is already down to 23.838, so 35.861 on shitty beta drivers before any real optimization is pretty impressive.

tl;dr minerfags aren't going anywhere.

Etherium has been on a bear trend since July. A lot of 3 months used cards are going to dump in the Fall.

>>61936733
yea, at some point a shit-ton of burnt out gpus will hit the market. i wonder how prices will change when supply is huge and their quality very questionable after mining.

i'll keep my eye on them but my gtx 750 is still alright.

>>61936733
In how bad of a condition are those cards usually? if they're undervolted and undercloced or something are they gonna be good to buy?
Are there certain cards that are going to be safer to buy than others?

>>61937366
They're not going to be in condition that is too terrible, just make sure they have the right BIOS and do some simple artifact testing (Furmark would do)

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>>61936085
I hope you realize the newest mining drivers brings the Rx580 back to 31MH @ 75w.

Vega gets 35MH tops @ 350w.

Whatever you're mad about, miners aren't the cause.

>>61936733
They are reversing the ice age. Mining profit will decline by 30% overall but will remain profitable until late 2018.

New miners won't make roi but miners who started in June will make a nice profit.

>>61937366
They should be really good. A miner wants to save energy and keep their money generators safe and happy, so they'll be run on low voltages and with plenty of cooling.

>>61937400
Furmark is actually way more stressful than mining is.

>>61936156
super disappointed amd needs to do something through their drivers about mining these cards have super good compute performance and no one can buy them because of miners

>>61937444
im not mad at all im laughing because there was a rumor saying these cards would get 70-100MH mining Etherium so a bunch of miners just wasted $500 on shitty cards for mining

>>61937774
>Eth miners got memed into Vega like everyone elase

>>61937774
>implying they won't just return the cards for a full refund

Miners fucking do that anyway in normal circumstances. Buy up a batch of cards, mine the shit out of them for a few weeks and then return them.

>>61936097
>>61936085
These cards were made for miners. What you bitching about. Vega sucks balls at gayming

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>>61938945
This is where it starts to het weird.

see pic related

>>61937871
What retailers would even allow that? I know Newegg has a restocking fee.

>>61939011
Most retailers outside of Burgerstan, because it's the law. Not every nation's population is made up of corporate slaves with no rights, anon.

>>61938976
Yeah. Amd created a Frankenstein that not even they understand. They threw in tons of fancy new untested tech in. And now we just have to cross our fingers and hope their drivers fix their mess. There is one game benchmark were the Vega performs worth than a fury x

>>61939126
And that would be where? In Europe if you opened the package you can't return the stuff

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>>61936085
Their coin systems going to zero is more likely which will be worst than death for many of them.

>>61936156
Reminds me of what TOR/Dark net users said right before the government long dicked them.
> mfw brainlets believe government doesn't invest in and have the technical capability to infiltrate, manipulate, and shutdown distributed data schmes
> mfw brainlets think coin systems are actually secure just like brainlets believe TOR was until the government compromised distributed nodes and the protocol

>>61936733
I'm not nor is anyone besides miners likely to touch used supply when that occurs. When this hits demand will drop for new supply and GPU manufacturers will drop prices and incentivize people to buy new... As nvidia said : they don't make money off used card sales. Miners are likely going to get fucked from both sides.

>>61937400
Insufficient cooling and detrimental environmental conditions...

>>61937740
AMD is not RTG and RTG is actually writing specific ROMs and drivers for miners. The fact that the drivers are such a mess as well as the software stack w.r.t to features they said it would have at launch yet they have enough time, in the two week gap between 64 launch and 56 to write custom drivers/ROMs for miners examples where RTG is going with these cards.

>>61937843
kek

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>>61939350
All that tinfoil.

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>>61939433

>>61939199
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34403005

>>61938976
i hope AMD does work more with developers as they announced. ryzen brought them back to life and now they have to use this as a starting point for vega optimisations. i see a lot potential and really really look forward to Far Cry 5

how much does it cost for AMD or NVIDIA to actually manufacture a GPU? i imagine the manufacturing part is actually super cheap and they actually have giant factory sized crypto mines making a recent profit right now

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>>61939350
>Miners are likely going to get fucked from both sides.
Good

>>61936085

Vega is crap-tier like the 1080Ti. It costs too much and eats too much power to justify that small gain.

Miners aren't getting it. AMD simply doesn't have enough units to go around (HBM2 supply issues). It is the HD 5850/5870 shortage all over again.

>>61936085
I would pay more money for card manufacturers to have a system on their cards that melts the silicon if you try to mine on it

>>61941448
I'd pay money for your mother to sit her fat ass on my face for an hour which one is more likely to happen.

>>61937366
Cards don't actually get to bad from mining. At most you'd have to replace the fans. The rest should be fine.

However I'd prefer to buy new.

>>61938976
LMAO what is going on here

>>61942997
AMD giving us a preview of their future finewine activated features driver which will render all NVidia cards dead

>>61938945
Vega architecture was made for the pro ssg so they can print money. The gaming cards were an afterthought, and they are still selling pretty well.

>>61943060
Eh I don't care as long as 7nm Navi isn't a mess

>>61943140
Oh it will be at least at launch.

We will still have shit yields at launch and even 3 years later we'll have to fight with miners for stock.

>>61943194
Mining difficulty should be way higher by then.

>>61943205
yaaaaaaaaaay

i honestly hope the whole industry tanks

>>61937774
They should be able to pull 60 to 70mh.
75% more CU than Polaris, and clocks are over 25% higher.

Its totally anomalous that Vega is doing so poorly here. The fact that power consumption is so high while hashing throughput is so low shows a major pipeline stall happening.

>>61938976
>>61939172
>>61942997
GCN has always performed well in the DIRT games. Their lighting model uses a lot of compute, and its complimented by GCN's massive texture filtering capacity. Thats why AMD's cards perform so well in these games. Even back when the 7970 came out this was happening.

>>61943121
pretty much this, all of AMD's recent tech is geared towards the professional sector

>>61938976
Nvidia sucks at Dirt, but that's really nitpicking

>>61939199
wrong, europoor here
In my country a store is obligated to accept a return on products that follow the certain conditions:
>14 days or less after buying
>intact, no sign of wear
>return every item bundled, including manual
>receipt

>>61936085
the only people who'll buy rx Vega for mining are teenagers who have inheritance money and don't know what to do with it. 350w per hour is too high a power draw to make a profit.

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>>61936085
>buttmad manchild gaymer is getting fucked in the ass by cryptoniggers
>he bitches about it and throws tantrums on /g/
kek

>>61943501
Bruh what in the fuck is that picture

>>61943518
she didn't age well.

>>61943501
muh dick

>>61943425
The highest performing one in that pic is also the one with 200w power draw.

>>61938976
Dirt 4 is shader intensive and probably benefits a lot from instruction prefetch (monolithic shaders?).

A lot of review sites tested games with other post processing AA that wouldn't have eaten up as nearly as much bandwidth as MSAA. DiRT 4 is just an odd one where the ALU's performance is pretty much fully exposed for GCN and memory bandwidth actually starts to matter

>>61942997

This is what happens when games are using the "raw compute power" of the graphics card instead of some meme shit technology like DirectX11 API bullshit

Vega 56 has twice the compute power (teraflops) over 1080Ti

>>61943501
Looks like a hag from The Witcher

>>61942997
>>>61938976
>LMAO what is going on here
He used cmaa not msaa.

>>61944127
Why don't more shitgame devs use compute over opengl and directx crap?

>>61943501
pls make it go away

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>>61938976
>>61943301
>>61943286
>>61939715
>>61939172
>>61944028
>>61942997
>>61938976
>>61943060
>>61944127
Wrong

Pic related is what happend.

>>61944330
Also correct.

>>61937774
Those rumors specifically said it would get this performance by using a new instruction set.
Mining software hasn't been adapted to the new instruction set yet.

>>61938976
>1080 Ti
>8GB
You should've made the "Ti" part a bit darker colour lad.

>>61943286
>>61944028
what's stopping AMD to give money to developers that they do the same in their game?

>>61936085
not even a miner, but with the blockchain drivers you get 37/38 with the 64

>>61946970

Not worth it when you factor in the upfront cost and extra power consumption.

It the same problems that hurt the 1080Ti and Titans at mining.

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>>61943501

>Butthurt gaymer blaming the wrong party
super kek

It is scalpers who are buying up the extremely limited supply of cards and AMD simply doesn't have enough units to supply channel.

mwf, when Vega 64 had a fucking paper launch and AMD RTG had a convenient scapegoat for it a.k.a "Miners".

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>>61943501

Is NiceHash even good to use?

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>>61937774
mining is a hobby not a get rich scheme. with that mindset, mining has just started.

>>61951617
cryptocoins were concptualized as a "hobby", experiment. They became literal get rich quick schemes due to greed. And boy oh boy, do not skimp the emphasis on that "quick".

>>61951617
>>61953492
The theoretical basis for cryptocoins are so awesome, the one thing no one ever anticipated was the greed factor. Satoshi, or whomever may be credited for the white papers, might be brilliant but they failed so hard to grasp the subtlelties between "creating money" and "creating more money by being faster than the unwashed masses".

>>61936085
>2017
>still measuring hash rate in MH/s
what's it like for you humans advancing at an inferior rate?

>>61947160
it's a perfect storm scenario with several feedback loops.
big miners (straight from the suppliers)>scalpers (bots on big retailers)>miners (bots)>scalpers (10-100 from random etailers, varying countries)> lucky few endusers (f5 launch day)>ebay>go back to step 1

>>61937366
It doesn't matter if they might still be "OK".

You don't fuck another man's girl and you don't play on another man's GPU

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what if AMD is hoarding the gpus for their own farms in some undisclosed location with very cheap electricity?